I was wondering if anyone has busted into the 14s yet n/a? I would think with the MMR race header, exhaust, and CAI it would be possible.

The car has plenty of power to do it, traction is the problem. With an LSD, it would be no problem. Trap speeds are more important.

No, but ill let you know when i do :)

ill have a video of it up the day the tracks open back up here lol i have some little things planned here and there till then including a weight reduction but leaving her looking stock so that should help a bit

i think ^ can do it!!! :clap:

completely stock i ran a 16.006 (1st day, 3rd time ever at a drag)
and thats w/ me SUCKING at reaction time of like a minute (ok maybe not a minute, but like 1.7) :loser:

I keep prodding for this same answer, but no one with NA mods ever wants to run.


For some odd reason, they worship a video of a stock tc vs turbo tc, yet no one wants to go to a f'ing track.

Stock, i ran 15.8 @ 87 with 2.37 60'. 20whp from mods (which is do-able) is 15% more power, and should result in 14's.

I ran a 15.7 first time at the track with only the Injen CAI.....now i have the draxas full exhaust and hoping to get to the track soon...i figure with a header and s-pipe it is very doable!!! but they will be very high 14's

ROFL, 20whp more wont get you into the 14's.... Not many of you have track experience from what I can tell. It takes much more than a header and exhaust to run 14's.

ROFL, 20whp more wont get you into the 14's.... Not many of you have track experience from what I can tell. It takes much more than a header and exhaust to run 14's.


should take mutch im currently in the designe proccess for my intake manifold and im going to fab a 4-2-1 header this winter also then a zpi under drive pully and posobly a ported t/b and hello 1/4's and that shouldnt cost me more then 600-800 in parts and i do all the work my self so i think i can calculate all the beer i will be drinking in there also and still cost the same lol

I have to agree on you that alot of people in this forum don't have a bunch of track experience. I however, do. Lauunching a FWD on lower profile street tires is a pain, I think it would take a ~2.0 60' and about ~175whp for the tC to hit high 14s.

I think an LSD would greatly help your chances of hitting 14's... getting off the line in a fwd is the key...

I have to agree on you that alot of people in this forum don't have a bunch of track experience. I however, do. Lauunching a FWD on lower profile street tires is a pain, I think it would take a ~2.0 60' and about ~175whp for the tC to hit high 14s.

im sure the 60 foot would have to be under under 2.0 becouse the times i have hit a 15.2 i hit 2.1's for the 60 foot times


it will take some skill for sure to get 14's out of a n/a tc with less then 1k in it but im going to do it next spring (i hope lol)

well the general rule of thumb is 1/10th off the 60' will get you 2/10ths in the 1/4, so if you got a 2.0 that would be a 15.0xx and being that you don't have 175whp I think it could be done.

yeah the only thing that sucks about the tc is you can launch awsome after you get used to it (asuming you do get used to the retarted gearing lol) but once you get up to 3rd geart it seems like its winded lol the power just sucks perfect time to spray it if you want nitrous but na i think the only thing i can do is try and make a better intake manifold (i have been studdying harmonic oscillation so i can try and tune it and get more top end power)

You guys crack me up.

i/h/e will not get you in the low-mid 14s, with the MMW it might get you 14.9 at best. You say traction is your biggest problem, you solve that you are still towing a 3,000lbs car with driver. 160whp isn't going to cut it.

However, you would be able to pull 14s with ZPI head, pistons, mmw header, intake, exhaust and short shifter. THat should give you enough for mid 14s if not better. Adding a light weight crank pulley too.

i/h/e though, :blah: . With MMW race header, possible but not likely. A stock tC with an average driver is a very high 15-16 sec car. A great driver can pull 15.7 maybe 15.6. People that claim 15.4-15.5 1/4 stock, show me a video and i'll believe it. Otherwise, no.

Cya

You guys crack me up.

i/h/e will not get you in the low-mid 14s, with the MMW it might get you 14.9 at best. You say traction is your biggest problem, you solve that you are still towing a 3,000lbs car with driver. 160whp isn't going to cut it.

However, you would be able to pull 14s with ZPI head, pistons, mmw header, intake, exhaust and short shifter. THat should give you enough for mid 14s if not better. Adding a light weight crank pulley too.

i/h/e though, :blah: . With MMW race header, possible but not likely. A stock tC with an average driver is a very high 15-16 sec car. A great driver can pull 15.7 maybe 15.6. People that claim 15.4-15.5 1/4 stock, show me a video and i'll believe it. Otherwise, no.

Cya

ill get you video of my car as soon as the tracks open back up and as far as i/h/e if i had the mmw and asuming it does put out 22whp like they claim that should be an easy 14.9 were not trying to tackle low or even mid 14's were just trying to break in to 14's at this time lol but im doing a custom intake manifold i have a intake already and im also doing a custom header witch im going to base off of the compression check and rather then doing equeal length like most companys do im doing a volume based on a compretion check im doing on the engine saterday (equeal lenght doesnt alwasy meen equeal volume) trust me my tc will hit high 14's if not be in like 14.7's-14.6's

Moved to PH.

get the phantom grip conversion then get some celica GT-S 16" wheels and drag radials for the front, possibly a good clutch, you might be able to get it, there are STOCK GT-S running low 14's with not a whole lot more HP, alot less torque and they dont weight THAT much less.

hahaha in chicago gts rims are as rare as a stock civic lol i have been looking for like 6 months now and cant find one set i even offered my pc and 400 bucks at one point and got no bites all together that was like 700-800 bucks and no one bit lol but i realy want some of thoughs rims.

a lsd is good but i want to do it all bolt ons once im in 14's and i can say i did it all bolt ons then ill bust open the tranny and slap in a lsd. for now it will be all parts fabbed by me so i can gain some credibility localy

is any company working in an LSD for the tC?

get the phantom grip conversion then get some celica GT-S 16" wheels and drag radials for the front, possibly a good clutch, you might be able to get it, there are STOCK GT-S running low 14's with not a whole lot more HP, alot less torque and they dont weight THAT much less.

Celica GTS weighs about 2600 pounds, 300 pounds is a big difference and they produce 180 hp crank stock. You are right about the torque but with a vehicle of that weight horsepower and gearing is more crucial. HP to weight Celicas beat us by a nice margin. However the TC responds better to mods more usable powerband and frankly i think it a better tuner car. However for a TC to delve into the 14s it will need more than 22hp somewhere in the neighborhood of 35hp and a skilled driver. I,H, full catback will get you to maybe 15.3 at the lowest manual . Perhaps a ECU enhancement or PP head will get you there. I plan on making such mods once they are proven to work and be reliable I,H,E is a great way to start. :)

I hit a 15.6 with just an intake, and missing 2nd. so i think its not going to be too hard to tackle 14's with the MMW header I/E and a short throw. like aaron said, were not trying to hit low 14's, just 14's period. I Should be hitting 14's in febuary with a few mods, but well see. I dont have a video of my 15.6 KILLER, however i do have a time slip.

stop the mmw junk folks.

I'm putting 160 plus torque to the ground with an alphaworks and a cc s-pipe with a TRD exhaust. No that will not get you 14's. We are not in a LS1 Z28.

READ THIS:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=86843&highlight=dyno


The magic of the MMW dyno thread is over. Many have posted more HP with wheels actually mounted on the car during the dyno.

Scott

^ have you ran your tC yet 400? with your current mods?

nope but I sure do not expect 14's. With a ZPI head I think it would be very possible. I did pick up a FX2 G-tech type device that I hope to tune with but I need more accurate vehicle weight to get a base line. I do think since I have a legit dyno if I can get the FX2 matching it for HP/TQ it should be fairly accurate on 0-60 and qtr. mile. Have not had time to even open the package yet..so maybe in Jan.

You guys crack me up.

i/h/e will not get you in the low-mid 14s, with the MMW it might get you 14.9 at best. You say traction is your biggest problem, you solve that you are still towing a 3,000lbs car with driver. 160whp isn't going to cut it.

However, you would be able to pull 14s with ZPI head, pistons, mmw header, intake, exhaust and short shifter. THat should give you enough for mid 14s if not better. Adding a light weight crank pulley too.

i/h/e though, :blah: . With MMW race header, possible but not likely. A stock tC with an average driver is a very high 15-16 sec car. A great driver can pull 15.7 maybe 15.6. People that claim 15.4-15.5 1/4 stock, show me a video and i'll believe it. Otherwise, no.

Cya

give me about 30 min. I just got back from gainesville raceway's last test and tune of the season. Best run was a 15.556, I have video of the run v. a 9 second car. You can't see the time on the board, but I also have a time slip.

^ sweet, is ur car completly stock?

Beside the factory option 18's, yes!

Edit...just scanned the slip....it was a 15.566.....sorry, :P

Beside's the factory option 18's, yes!

Edit...just scanned the slip....it was a 15.566.....sorry, :P


wow great times :bow: with thoughs heavy ___ rims lol i like it

Yea, not bad for having the 18's on there. I ran a 15.6 with my 19's. weres the slip?

Yea, not bad for having the 18's on there. I ran a 15.6 with my 19's. weres the slip?

right here
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1197878#1197878
:wink:

Beside the factory option 18's, yes!

Edit...just scanned the slip....it was a 15.566.....sorry, :P

Still waiting for it. You must be a damn good driver to pull that off. So i'll give you props once i see the slip or something. I'd like to see the video because videos are more interesting. lol

Cya

^ Look at the post above yours KILLER, click the link and behold, lol

You counting Nitrous as FI? Even before I got my Nitrous I ran 14.82. Current mods I have is ZPI head,greddy e-manage,CC s-pipe, I/H/E(missing mid pipe for complete exhaust), ZPI crank pulley, Clutchmasters Flywheel. Im sure I could get a lower time its just Im not too experienced with dragging. Trying to look for that time slip its been a couple of months since I got that time.

Beside the factory option 18's, yes!

Edit...just scanned the slip....it was a 15.566.....sorry, :P

Still waiting for it. You must be a damn good driver to pull that off. So i'll give you props once i see the slip or something. I'd like to see the video because videos are more interesting. lol

Cya

The link to the thread is right above your post. I don't have actual vid of that run cause for some reason my buddy didn't film that one. We came home from the track and had like 8-9 vids between my runs and others that he filmed....originally he said the run vs. the 9 second car was the 15.56 run so that's what I put on the thread...but then i realized my slip for that run was vs. a 12 car and I was in the other lane, needless to say i'm not happy he didn't get that run on vid.

^ Look at the post above yours KILLER, click the link and behold, lol

He has a time slip, the videos wasn't of him doing 15.5. I think its funny how his friend video'd his runs except the 15.5. Being he does have a time slip, i don't know if its truthful or not. 15.5 for a stock tC to me seems awfully fast. A stock manual only has 138-139whp, and with a driver thats pulling over 3,000lbs.

A power to weight ratio, just say 140whp and with driver, just say 3,150lbs. Thats a power to weight of 22.5. Low end torque helps, but thats not a great power to weight. I do realize 15.5 isn't a real fast time either, but i don't see how its going to happen, again, bone stock.

Cya

actually he didn't film two of the runs, he got one of me staging, the 15.9 run, and the run v. that 9 second car that's it. I've got the slip with the SAME DATE AND CAR NUMBER as the other run that was on video. The only thing I can think of that's preventing you from believing this is pride, meaning you would actually have to admit you were wrong. Why on earth would I lie about this? What do I have to gain or lose by posting this up? Some of you people are absolutly amazing, if it's not possible in your head, then it can't happen. I'm not a troll, i've been on this site for a few months and had some informative posts, along with serious questions. This other guy ran a 15.2 on an exhause, custom intake, and some other mod....why wouldn't a 15.5 be possible stock? I'm humble most of the time, but as you can see from my reaction times this isn't my first time at the track and I know what i'm doing with launching and shifting (unlike the majority of tC owners who are just starting to drive and have minimal experience at a track setting). So now that an experienced driver got behind the wheel on almost perfect track conditions and got a 15.5 it's not possible......why? Cause you say so :clap:

<- - - 15.5 2.2 60 ft with 18" Kazeras and just TRD exhaust

I have raced against a consistant 15.3 tC with just injen CAI and HKS exhuast.

Next season I am upgrading the I/H/E w/ s pipe , pulley, flywheel, clutch, short throw,ignition and motor mounts , racing wheels + tires and hotchkis TVS

i pulled a 15.7 with I/h/e but i live in DEEEP SOUTH texas where its always 70-80 degree at night and the humidity is 80-100%...its funny but last week we had a cold front so a lot of the guys went to the track. my friend has a jetta and he pulls a mid 15. it that weather but that night he pulled a 15.0...so i believe that once i get my pulley and redo my exhaust....again i hope to hit 14s'

<- - - 15.5 2.2 60 ft with 18" Kazeras and just TRD exhaust

I have raced against a consistant 15.3 tC with just injen CAI and HKS exhuast.

Next season I am upgrading the I/H/E w/ s pipe , pulley, flywheel, clutch, short throw,ignition and motor mounts , racing wheels + tires and hotchkis TVS

This is why i don't see how a 15.5 is possible with a stock tC. Its not about pride, i'll admit when im wrong when im wrong. Pride means nothing to me, especially on forums. 15.3 with i/h/e i believe, i've seen first hand a i/h/e tc run between 15.1-15.3 1/4. So, you mean to tell me you guys spend $800-$1,000 to shave .2secs off your 1/4? That doesn't sound right, especially with a 15-30whp gain depending on what you you buy, especially a 4-2-1 or 4-1 header. It makes more logical sense, with the power to weight ratio and i/h/e gains that a stock tC is a high 15-low 16 second car. All the runs i've seen personally of stock tCs run high 15s with good drivers. Thats why i say that.

Now, as far as your information goes. I'm not saying you didn't run 15.5, i just find it hard to believe that everyone is all of a sudden running mid 15s in their stock tCs, when for a very long time everyone (Stock) was running high 15s low 16s. I'm not speaking just from my knowledge, i'm also speaking from experience. If you did run 15.5, then i told you i give you props. I have yet to say you are absolutely wrong and you are giving false information. All i have ever said, was i highly doubt it because of ___. So don't think my intensions are worse than what they are, please.

I have been on these forums for over a year, and i try to stay humble as well. However, i have noticed a lot of tCers give off false information and times. Not including you with them, but its true. I'd say 75% of tCers think their car is some incredible track car with i/h/e and maybe trd springs. Sure, it performs better than stock but that doesn't mean its amazing. If you get what im saying. I'm also tired of these s/c'd tc vs. stock ____ forums, or vs. threads in general. I keep hoping the admin. or mods can try to put them all in one catigory. It would really help a lot. lol

But anyway, bottom line is this. From my experience and knowledge, a 15.5 in a stock tC is highly unlikely, but not impossible. This is why i have my doubts, because you showd a time slip i believe you ran that 15.5. However, it made it sound questionable when there was talk of film proof, but no film proof shown. But don't blame me for some "pride" thing, thats just :rofl: .

Cya

I have hit a 15.2 with a really bad 60' time. If I can get a decent 60' I will break 14's. My trap was 92.5 but with a better 60' i can hit 93. oh btw with my stock 05 tc I actually ran a 15.565

i think you need to start shaving weight

You counting Nitrous as FI? Even before I got my Nitrous I ran 14.82. Current mods I have is ZPI head,greddy e-manage,CC s-pipe, I/H/E(missing mid pipe for complete exhaust), ZPI crank pulley, Clutchmasters Flywheel. Im sure I could get a lower time its just Im not too experienced with dragging. Trying to look for that time slip its been a couple of months since I got that time.

ZPI head? Have you a dyno for that car?

never took the car on an actual dyno however the emanage was tuned via the software and laptop with numerous street pulls like at least 50+ gonna go get it officially dyno'd maybe when I get back from the sandbox.

[quote=LENOLA]<- - - 15.5 2.2 60 ft with 18" Kazeras and just TRD exhaust

I have raced against a consistant 15.3 tC with just injen CAI and HKS exhuast.

Next season I am upgrading the I/H/E w/ s pipe , pulley, flywheel, clutch, short throw,ignition and motor mounts , racing wheels + tires and hotchkis TVS

This is why i don't see how a 15.5 is possible with a stock tC. Its not about pride, i'll admit when im wrong when im wrong. Pride means nothing to me, especially on forums. 15.3 with i/h/e i believe, i've seen first hand a i/h/e tc run between 15.1-15.3 1/4. So, you mean to tell me you guys spend $800-$1,000 to shave .2secs off your 1/4? That doesn't sound right, especially with a 15-30whp gain depending on what you you buy, especially a 4-2-1 or 4-1 header. It makes more logical sense, with the power to weight ratio and i/h/e gains that a stock tC is a high 15-low 16 second car. All the runs i've seen personally of stock tCs run high 15s with good drivers. Thats why i say that.

Now, as far as your information goes. I'm not saying you didn't run 15.5, i just find it hard to believe that everyone is all of a sudden running mid 15s in their stock tCs, when for a very long time everyone (Stock) was running high 15s low 16s. I'm not speaking just from my knowledge, i'm also speaking from experience. If you did run 15.5, then i told you i give you props. I have yet to say you are absolutely wrong and you are giving false information. All i have ever said, was i highly doubt it because of ___. So don't think my intensions are worse than what they are, please.

I have been on these forums for over a year, and i try to stay humble as well. However, i have noticed a lot of tCers give off false information and times. Not including you with them, but its true. I'd say 75% of tCers think their car is some incredible track car with i/h/e and maybe trd springs. Sure, it performs better than stock but that doesn't mean its amazing. If you get what im saying. I'm also tired of these s/c'd tc vs. stock ____ forums, or vs. threads in general. I keep hoping the admin. or mods can try to put them all in one catigory. It would really help a lot. lol

But anyway, bottom line is this. From my experience and knowledge, a 15.5 in a stock tC is highly unlikely, but not impossible. This is why i have my doubts, because you showd a time slip i believe you ran that 15.5. However, it made it sound questionable when there was talk of film proof, but no film proof shown. But don't blame me for some "pride" thing, thats just :rofl: .

Cya!
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I am not gonna argue that the AVERAGE stock tc is a 15.7 - 16.0 second car. I am no wheres near the race ready driver. My best was a 15.7 after 2 trips and 7 straight runs of 16.0 or higher. Before I ran the 15.5 I was running consistant 15.6's the same night. Consistant meaning 4 straight runs of 15.6 and then the final run of the night with the 15.5.

It took me a better part of the first 2 trips to learn the response of the tc. My local track is in need of a resurfacing so it is hell to launch from. Wheel hop and tire spin was inevitable with any launch over 1500 rpm which resulted in 2.7 60's. To get 2.3 and 2.2 60 foot times I compensated reaction time by rolling off the line instead of taching the rpms and dropping the clutch.

Under optimal track conditions in the fall and the amount of practice time that everyone has had thus far it is no question we are seeing mid 15 runs with stock tC's.

If you are only gaining .2 with an I/H/E then either save your money or sign up for driving school. :rofl: :loser:


Here are the time slips for Friday night November 11th Atco raceway 37 degree track temp. Set up was stock except for 18x7.5 with TRD Exhaust 1/4 tank of Luke Oil 87 octane.

WELCOME TO ATCO RACEWAY
J&E PERFORMANCE
QUICK 8 RACING
HARRIS STORAGE
FRANKLIN TRAILERS
DOWNS FORD
WWW.ATCORACE.COM

9:38 PM
11/NOV/2005

Temp F. 37
Relative Humidity 90
Absolute Baro 29.6

SUZUKI BACARDI


-------- LEFT . . . . . RIGHT

Car # . . . 30 284
Class . . .

DIAL . . .
R/T . . . 1.532 .377
60' . . . 1.966 2.323
330 . . . 5.534 6.530
1/8 . . . 8.452 10.003
MPH . . . 83.79 71.01
990 . . . 10.918 12.919
1/4 . . . 13.127 15.562
MPH . . . 105.83 88.53


Left 1st 1.2808
Comoulink AUTOSTART OFF


Rnd # 2526/2527


. . . . . ComouLink StarTRAK 2005

[quote=LENOLA]<- - - 15.5 2.2 60 ft with 18" Kazeras and just TRD exhaust

I have raced against a consistant 15.3 tC with just injen CAI and HKS exhuast.

Next season I am upgrading the I/H/E w/ s pipe , pulley, flywheel, clutch, short throw,ignition and motor mounts , racing wheels + tires and hotchkis TVS

This is why i don't see how a 15.5 is possible with a stock tC. Its not about pride, i'll admit when im wrong when im wrong. Pride means nothing to me, especially on forums. 15.3 with i/h/e i believe, i've seen first hand a i/h/e tc run between 15.1-15.3 1/4. So, you mean to tell me you guys spend $800-$1,000 to shave .2secs off your 1/4? That doesn't sound right, especially with a 15-30whp gain depending on what you you buy, especially a 4-2-1 or 4-1 header. It makes more logical sense, with the power to weight ratio and i/h/e gains that a stock tC is a high 15-low 16 second car. All the runs i've seen personally of stock tCs run high 15s with good drivers. Thats why i say that.

Now, as far as your information goes. I'm not saying you didn't run 15.5, i just find it hard to believe that everyone is all of a sudden running mid 15s in their stock tCs, when for a very long time everyone (Stock) was running high 15s low 16s. I'm not speaking just from my knowledge, i'm also speaking from experience. If you did run 15.5, then i told you i give you props. I have yet to say you are absolutely wrong and you are giving false information. All i have ever said, was i highly doubt it because of ___. So don't think my intensions are worse than what they are, please.

I have been on these forums for over a year, and i try to stay humble as well. However, i have noticed a lot of tCers give off false information and times. Not including you with them, but its true. I'd say 75% of tCers think their car is some incredible track car with i/h/e and maybe trd springs. Sure, it performs better than stock but that doesn't mean its amazing. If you get what im saying. I'm also tired of these s/c'd tc vs. stock ____ forums, or vs. threads in general. I keep hoping the admin. or mods can try to put them all in one catigory. It would really help a lot. lol

But anyway, bottom line is this. From my experience and knowledge, a 15.5 in a stock tC is highly unlikely, but not impossible. This is why i have my doubts, because you showd a time slip i believe you ran that 15.5. However, it made it sound questionable when there was talk of film proof, but no film proof shown. But don't blame me for some "pride" thing, thats just :rofl: .

Cya!
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I am not gonna argue that the AVERAGE stock tc is a 15.7 - 16.0 second car. I am no wheres near the race ready driver. My best was a 15.7 after 2 trips and 7 straight runs of 16.0 or higher. Before I ran the 15.5 I was running consistant 15.6's the same night. Consistant meaning 4 straight runs of 15.6 and then the final run of the night with the 15.5.

It took me a better part of the first 2 trips to learn the response of the tc. My local track is in need of a resurfacing so it is hell to launch from. Wheel hop and tire spin was inevitable with any launch over 1500 rpm which resulted in 2.7 60's. To get 2.3 and 2.2 60 foot times I compensated reaction time by rolling off the line instead of taching the rpms and dropping the clutch.

Under optimal track conditions in the fall and the amount of practice time that everyone has had thus far it is no question we are seeing mid 15 runs with stock tC's.

If you are only gaining .2 with an I/H/E then either save your money or sign up for driving school. :rofl: :loser:


Here are the time slips for Friday night November 11th Atco raceway 37 degree track temp. Set up was stock except for 18x7.5 with TRD Exhaust 1/4 tank of Luke Oil 87 octane.

WELCOME TO ATCO RACEWAY
J&E PERFORMANCE
QUICK 8 RACING
HARRIS STORAGE
FRANKLIN TRAILERS
DOWNS FORD
WWW.ATCORACE.COM

9:38 PM
11/NOV/2005

Temp F. 37
Relative Humidity 90
Absolute Baro 29.6

SUZUKI BACARDI


-------- LEFT . . . . . RIGHT

Car # . . . 30 284
Class . . .

DIAL . . .
R/T . . . 1.532 .377
60' . . . 1.966 2.323
330 . . . 5.534 6.530
1/8 . . . 8.452 10.003
MPH . . . 83.79 71.01
990 . . . 10.918 12.919
1/4 . . . 13.127 15.562
MPH . . . 105.83 88.53


Left 1st 1.2808
Comoulink AUTOSTART OFF


Rnd # 2526/2527


. . . . . ComouLink StarTRAK 2005

I know that with a good driver, you can pull great numbers. Infact, i held one of the fastest xb n/a times for a while, but someone beat me. I also hold my own in autocross and street course racing, because thats what im best at and i find it a lot more fun than straight driving. (street course on track, not actual street) However, i know of a damn good tC driver in a stock one that pulled 15.61 in the 1/4, which is a great time. So, 15.5 isn't impossible, but just very unlikely. But, i'll say you did do it and i give you props. However, thats going to be a rare time for most drivers in a stock tc.

i/h/e, the best time i have seen is a 15.1. Add a light weight crank pulley and zpi head, you have yourself a 14 second car. (not 14 flat per se, just a 14 second car)

Cya