Anyone order a turbo kit from them in the past month know how long it took before you got your kit? Reason I ask, cuz I ordered mine from racingsolution.com and they said shoud ship out in about 2-3 weeks. And of course as anxious as I am to get it installed I'm getting a little impatient :pray: . I ordered mine about 3 weeks ago and still says "preparing order." Thanks

...how about that. It's all guessing from here - believe me

Yeah, I've read quite a bit about your "experience" :doh: I really hope I'm not waiting that long. :pray:

Only thing you can do really is give em a call and see what they say

Well I should probably wait like another week before I get really impatient.

which stage did you get?

Well, I know pretty many people got them within the last 2 weeks. Several pm'ed me with some minor questions.

which stage did you get?

yeah, what stage did you get? because if you are getting the stage 0 with fmic or a stage 1, they redesigned the intercooler piping so it isn't necessary to cut the front bumper. they most likely had to get new pipes bent and coated. you are probably wondering why they redesigned the pipes. a lot of people(including me) requested that they have the intercooler pipes hidden.

btw, i received mines about two weeks ago.

I got the stage 0 kit, so I shouldn't have to worry about the intercooler piping.

Just give us a call or shoot me an email on Monday with your name and I'll check the status of the order.

:) thanks, keisha

email: keisha@thescionstore.com
AIM: MissZPIracing

This is why ZPI kills all competition..... Customer Service.....

If you even want to sponsor a West Coast Car.... even partially... WeDriveScions wants to be #1 on the list! Too broke on all my other modifications.... Wonder what a Turbo with N2O could put out?

hey I talked to Kenny a couple days ago and he said they were out of turbos until like December 1st. So don't worry about it...I'm sure you'll get it in no time.

Yea, bug Keisha. :love: Kenny's in the shop busy producing stuff. :bow:

OH, and believe me - 3-6 weeks is a SHORT wait. :eyebrow:

which stage did you get?

yeah, what stage did you get? because if you are getting the stage 0 with fmic or a stage 1, they redesigned the intercooler piping so it isn't necessary to cut the front bumper. they most likely had to get new pipes bent and coated. you are probably wondering why they redesigned the pipes. a lot of people(including me) requested that they have the intercooler pipes hidden.

btw, i received mines about two weeks ago.


:rofl:
If you only knew.

which stage did you get?

yeah, what stage did you get? because if you are getting the stage 0 with fmic or a stage 1, they redesigned the intercooler piping so it isn't necessary to cut the front bumper. they most likely had to get new pipes bent and coated. you are probably wondering why they redesigned the pipes. a lot of people(including me) requested that they have the intercooler pipes hidden.

btw, i received mines about two weeks ago.


:rofl:
If you only knew.

Boy are you in for a wait :rofl: :rofl:

which stage did you get?

yeah, what stage did you get? because if you are getting the stage 0 with fmic or a stage 1, they redesigned the intercooler piping so it isn't necessary to cut the front bumper. they most likely had to get new pipes bent and coated. you are probably wondering why they redesigned the pipes. a lot of people(including me) requested that they have the intercooler pipes hidden.

btw, i received mines about two weeks ago.


:rofl:
If you only knew.


Boy are you in for a wait :rofl: :rofl:

word, i waited about five months before i got the kit. hopefully the piping will be done within a month or so. im still aiming for a dec. 26th install, if not the install will have to be delayed until the new year...

which stage did you get?

yeah, what stage did you get? because if you are getting the stage 0 with fmic or a stage 1, they redesigned the intercooler piping so it isn't necessary to cut the front bumper. they most likely had to get new pipes bent and coated. you are probably wondering why they redesigned the pipes. a lot of people(including me) requested that they have the intercooler pipes hidden.

btw, i received mines about two weeks ago.


:rofl:
If you only knew.


Boy are you in for a wait :rofl: :rofl:

word, i waited about five months before i got the kit. hopefully the piping will be done within a month or so. im still aiming for a dec. 26th install, if not the install will have to be delayed until the new year...

So did you order a stage 1 and get a stage 0, or are you just waiting for the intercooler upgrade? Im slightly confused.

Charles

i ordered a stage 0 with intercooler piping ( i have my own core) i received a partial kit. im still missing the intercooler piping and the wastegate dumptube. other than that the kit is pretty complete.

Wow. You got part of a kit. Nice.

Since they are "redesigning" the piping I hope they do something about the brackets that they have installed on other kits since I hear some of them rusted/broke off in no time at all.

Charles

:cry:

Wow. You got part of a kit. Nice.

Since they are "redesigning" the piping I hope they do something about the brackets that they have installed on other kits since I hear some of them rusted/broke off in no time at all.

Charles

:doh: part of a kit is better than no kit at all in my book, but it would have been much nicer if it came as a whole.

isn't the coating for the pipes supposed to help prevent rusting? :?

charles, i would like to know more. pm if you can. thanks

What sort of coating?

I know on my Greddy Exhaust, it rusted at EVERY god damn weld. Even rusted through on a couple.

My manifold on my last kit turned to rust and the piping that came with it started to get rust spots. I then, got the manifold ceramic coated and pipes powder coated and never had a problem since.

My guess is the pipes wont have brackets on them so it wont matter anyway. Its a bad idea for the most part.

Charles

I have a redesigned stage 1 for sale if someone is interested. :)

Just give us a call or shoot me an email on Monday with your name and I'll check the status of the order.

:) thanks, keisha

Thanks a lot for the help :bow:

Just give us a call or shoot me an email on Monday with your name and I'll check the status of the order.

:) thanks, keisha

Thanks a lot for the help :bow:

Because you can call and check your status??

Because you can call and check your status??

No, because if I call my kit will magically be done. :P
Just thankful that they're trying to help me out. Remember, I don't have a reason to
doubt ZPI's service yet. But I will activily be trying to find out my kit's status.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha ha ha



sorry.

sorry for being an a$$, just trying to keep up the positive "vibes."

I have a redesigned stage 1 for sale if someone is interested. :)hmmmm.. i'm torn.
Wait for my order from zpi, buy a TRD SC, Zen's Stage 1 Turbo, a used Rx8, S2000, 350z, or G35... :eyebrow:

I have a redesigned stage 1 for sale if someone is interested. :)hmmmm.. i'm torn.
Wait for my order from zpi, buy a TRD SC, Zen's Stage 1 Turbo, a used Rx8, S2000, 350z, or G35... :eyebrow:

The tC will never ball on the same level as the G35. Yummy


Charles

I have a redesigned stage 1 for sale if someone is interested. :)hmmmm.. i'm torn.
Wait for my order from zpi, buy a TRD SC, Zen's Stage 1 Turbo, a used Rx8, S2000, 350z, or G35... :eyebrow:

The tC will never ball on the same level as the G35. Yummy


Charles

No $hit.... I love my boys g35 fun car... But for the money I still think I get the cheaper 350z

Thats exactly what it is too. Cheaper. You get what you pay for when it comes to those two cars.

We are working on our time to market we know the wait is stressful. Once you get behind in anything it is hard to get caught up, turbo kits are no exception. We are working diligently everyday to get these kits out. We have now shipped over 50 kits and will continue to work just as hard to get the rest out and decrease the wait on new orders. We have contracted some new manufacturing facilities to help us offset this time. We are out of turbochargers until the first week of December. Our vendor is out and we are out. We will get some more kits out once these arrive. We have completely redesigned the intercooler setup the pipes the core etc…This should provide for a easier and cleaner install.

We have demonstrated some of the best customer service in the industry time and time again. No, it is not that you can call and check on your order it is the way we go above and beyond to help. We do make mistakes as does any person or company. It is not the mistake that is the problem it is the way that you make them right. Toyota has made mistakes when the sunroofs started to break we are not al going to sell our cars? They have offered to fix it for us this is no different than the way we conduct our business. We overnight parts help with install questions at midnight on Sunday sometimes if need be. We will continue to do so because we look at our customers as friends and not dollar signs.

As far as the rest of the comments they are no more than a disgruntle employee who was fired for similar attitude. We are sure that there will always be attacks on us by our competition and this is no different. I would say before long we will see the same people making sly comments start advertising on here trying to sell parts as well. As we are equally confident that they will have some rebutale to justify there actions thus far. We are okay with the sly remarks and attacks, we are the leaders in Scion performance and continue to be the first to release cutting edge parts and have pushed the envelope since day one. We pushed these cars to the edge so that you do not have to take the same risks. Have we made mistakes along the way? Absolutely! Have we broken stuff along the way? A course we would not be doing our jobs if we had not. We started this when a lot of people had never even heard of Scion defiantly not trying to make them fast.

We will continue to operate our business in the fashion that we do. We will be attacked, we know. We will still be here; we will not always make everyone happy this is business. Others will try to go behind us and undermine our accomplishments but at the end of the day when the smoke clears we will still be hear supporting the Scion community in the way that they have supported us. We are grateful for the business and support that you all have shown and will continue to do what we do and bring cutting edge Scion enhancement parts to Scion Community with the service and support that you have came to expect.

-ZPIracing

It's all fundamental economics; Supply and demand.
There is a good demand for Turbo application upgrades for the tC. But as of right now, only ZPI actually has turbo kits in production to suit this demand, therefore there is a low supply. If you have the patience, ZPI has proven they can build you a good turbo kit.

I don't think I read anything in the previous posts attacking ZPI. I hope it wasn't something I said. I would consider myself one of your more patient customers.

Once again....

Great professional response....

I still can't get over the multiple times I've seen ZPI flamed here online without any real merit, and every-single time, they've come out professional, consistent, and stellar in regards to customer service, reliability, and sheer performance...

Refreshing to see.... :clap:

Keep it up!

We are working on our time to market we know the wait is stressful. Once you get behind in anything it is hard to get caught up, turbo kits are no exception. We are working diligently everyday to get these kits out. We have now shipped over 50 kits and will continue to work just as hard to get the rest out and decrease the wait on new orders. We have contracted some new manufacturing facilities to help us offset this time. We are out of turbochargers until the first week of December. Our vendor is out and we are out. We will get some more kits out once these arrive. We have completely redesigned the intercooler setup the pipes the core etc…This should provide for a easier and cleaner install.

We have demonstrated some of the best customer service in the industry time and time again. No, it is not that you can call and check on your order it is the way we go above and beyond to help. We do make mistakes as does any person or company. It is not the mistake that is the problem it is the way that you make them right. Toyota has made mistakes when the sunroofs started to break we are not al going to sell our cars? They have offered to fix it for us this is no different than the way we conduct our business. We overnight parts help with install questions at midnight on Sunday sometimes if need be. We will continue to do so because we look at our customers as friends and not dollar signs.

As far as the rest of the comments they are no more than a disgruntle employee who was fired for similar attitude. We are sure that there will always be attacks on us by our competition and this is no different. I would say before long we will see the same people making sly comments start advertising on here trying to sell parts as well. As we are equally confident that they will have some rebutale to justify there actions thus far. We are okay with the sly remarks and attacks, we are the leaders in Scion performance and continue to be the first to release cutting edge parts and have pushed the envelope since day one. We pushed these cars to the edge so that you do not have to take the same risks. Have we made mistakes along the way? Absolutely! Have we broken stuff along the way? A course we would not be doing our jobs if we had not. We started this when a lot of people had never even heard of Scion defiantly not trying to make them fast.

We will continue to operate our business in the fashion that we do. We will be attacked, we know. We will still be here; we will not always make everyone happy this is business. Others will try to go behind us and undermine our accomplishments but at the end of the day when the smoke clears we will still be hear supporting the Scion community in the way that they have supported us. We are grateful for the business and support that you all have shown and will continue to do what we do and bring cutting edge Scion enhancement parts to Scion Community with the service and support that you have came to expect.

-ZPIracing

:rofl:

Leaving your company was the best thing that has ever happened to me. I no longer have to worry about the lies that have been told and what i am allowed to say, or not say to customers. I no longer have to let cars sit around for months and months because I dont have the parts to finish them. I no longer have to worry about my paychecks bouncing. I no longer have to lose friends who dont like you because of the situation with your old company, Redline Motorsports.

Im not trying to sound pompus, and if I do, then so be it. Your company is what it is today because of me. You have no real knowledge of engine theory and design. You have no formal training, nor does any of your employee's. You did not design the turbo kit. I did, with the help of Alex, in one night as a matter of fact. You did not figure out that the injectors were wrong, and had given up on the matter when I did. You have the most basic knowledge of cars and are very good at talking. That is about it.

Oh were to begin. Lets start here.
APRIL 15TH
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=57663&highlight=

no problem our kits our done we just wanted to get a few more test vehicles out there before the orders come flooding in.

Stage 0 -1 kit run a mitsu evo III 16g ported and clipped
Stage 2 runs a garret 50 trim 20G ported

The kits were done on April 15th according to you here. When was the first one shipped?
SEPT 3RD
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73788&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150
got a tracking number guys, should be putting up pics soon and a vid guys. glad to see things moving finally

Nice, only 4 months difference. Why could it possibly take this long? Well, the obvious answer is that the kits were NOT done. Nor were they even close to being done.
I should also mention that when that kit went out, so did one more. Scion Dad's kit.

I skipped ahead, please forgive me...
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64418&highlight=
We just wanted to keep everyone up to date on our turbo kit status. We are still doing some final testing on the kit as the 91 octane maps and big injectors are not working as flawlessly as we would like in the heat. The maps just need some more tweaking but seeing that we are not with the cars testing the kits the updating process is somewhat slow. The stage 0 kits are 97% ready to ship and should start going out by the end of the month or the first part of next month.

The Stage 1 kits will go out as soon as we have finalized the fuel maps. We know that you guys are excited and ready to get these kits on your cars but we do not want to jeopardize quality for quickness

Where exactly are these cars that we were not with? I don't remember sending any kits out for "map" testing. In fact, to this day there is not standard map. All the cars with emanage have been tuned after the install. Not a problem though since no Stage One kits have been shipped because there was no finalized pipe designs when I left. How were the advertised power levels on those cars anyway. Have any of them hit 300whp yet? Didn't think so. More lies...
Oh, and dont worry about that "not jeopardizing quality for quickness" thing. Im sure everyone REALLY believes you now.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67235&highlight=
Here is a dyno chart with our stage 0 car overlayed stage 1. These were on the same car and the same dyno. The only variable other than the weather is the Stage 1 car was running open down pipe and the 0 car was on stock exhaust piping.

Remember the Stage 0 Dyno Results and videos? Good numbers. But thats to be expected from a "Stage 0" car that has a FMIC, 550's, an emanage, external wastegate, (which at the time was an "option") and a custom tune. More lies. Only difference was boost levels. Nice stage 0 car.

JUNE 11TH
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67795&highlight=
We will be accepting pre-order through the end of the month after. After June 30th they are retail pricing. We will have the first batch shipped out by our target date of July, 5th.
Didn't happen, obviously. More lies.
The first shipment will be 15 kits and then 15 should follow every 7-10days until we are caught up. We will then pre build them so they can ship out pronto upon ordering them. If you preorder today you are still looking at approx... A month before you will get your kit. These kits will be shipped on a first ordered basis as they have been waiting the longest.
Well, do I really need to say anything here? Honestly.


http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59378&highlight=
This entire post/person was made up by Kenny. Im sure this can be verified by any mod that wishes to do a IP check if possible with the time difference. However, I was there and this person doesn't exhist. He later says he already has his kit but he dropped off the face of the earth. Convient.

JUNE 26TH
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=70133&highlight=
turbo kits are coming along nicely and are scheduled to start shipping the end of this week or the first part of next
We will contact the customers whom are part of the first batch this week to confirm that everything is the same as it was when ordered a couple months ago. We will be able to get the kits out in 15 kit batches until we are caught up. We expect all the kits to be filled in chronological order as date ordered by the end of July.
lol. again

I could go on and ON and OOONNNN with this but I really think you all get the point now.

That of course leads me to a kit that was installed previous to this. Around Aug. 5th. Cincytc, aka David Cooperstein. Nice kid, drove down from just north of Cincy to have a kit installed. Of course, at the time, there had been NO stage zero kits tested. Thats right. NONE. How did Kenny know the stock ecu would really adjust enough to keep the car from blowing up??? HE DIDN'T. After having to leave his car at the shop for a week, (even though he was told he could hang out because it would only take a day, two tops) David came back down the next weekend to pick up his car. We had not even finished bolting all the parts on when he got there. At this point, a Turbo Scion with the stock ECU had NEVER even been attempted to start. Kenny took David and his friend out to lunch and I was told to "make it work" while they were gone. Guess who got lucky. It started and after a few mins of me working out some bugs, David took this car home to Cincy with about 10 miles on his kit. But hey, it worked right? Who needs R&D? F it.

With that being said, we were approached by a gentleman in January about having the first turbo kit for the Scion that we actually produced. Davids car, above was put before his, for whatever reason since Mr. Ruso paid upfront for his parts and services.

There is much debate over his car, and how it was put together, but long story short, it blew up because of BLATANT neglagence on Kenny's part. I should add here that this car was tuned by Kenny with no wideband as he drove down the road. There was no dyno tuning on the final map. There was no way for kenny to know what a/f's this car was running when he "finished" with it. Two weeks later it blew up. Kenny blames this on a bad rod bearing. How did the car get it? Well the turbo blew up and the car ran low, if not out of oil. Why? There was blockage from to much gasket maker on the oil return flange. I bet you can't guess who installed that.

Now Mr. Ruso has an 05 tC with a non numbers matching engine, no turbo kit (at his request, can you blame him) and an exhaust. He is supposed to be getting a header, emanage and some other parts in "exchange" for his turbo kit but he has not recieved these items as of yet. Big suprise.

The ZPIracing Crank pullies ARE Agency Power Crank pullies with the name grinded off. I saw it done. They are even cheaper if you go to the original website, www.vividracing.com. I wonder if they know of this? Perhaphs, but if they really did "private label" them to you, why did they come with agency power on them?

The head package. Well, there were no dyno's posted for this mod. There were no flow sheets posted for this. Kenny claimed that it flows "38%" over stock. How does he know this? The head was never flow tested. This number was made up. The car that actually had a head package on it actually dyno'd LOWER then stock cars typically do. Hence the reason for no dyno sheets.

I think I have made my point. There are plenty of people on this board that share my understanding of the truth and have their own personal experiences that they may or may not share. Hopfully this will imspire some people to share the negative experience they have had so that everyone may see what some of us already know.

I was released from ZPI. I don't deny that. It was shortly after I had my ___ ripped for telling a customer the truth about their car. I was told I could "leave things out" and it not be considered lying. Nice. My response was exactly this...
"If you want someone to lie to your customers, you'll need to find someone else."
I guess I got my answer. I am however, not "disgruntal" by any means. I am now doing what my intentions were all along after I got out of school and I have opened my own shop. I have finished several cars that I was working on at ZPI since then. Cars that were there for months and months that I had no problems finishing on my own in a couple weeks. In fact, with the exception of Mr. Ruso's engine swap, not ONE car has come out of ZPI since I left complete. However, about 6 have left at the behest of customers unfinished. This could be because of the long wait, it could be because there is no longer ANYONE there that is in any way qualified to work on the cars.

In any event, these are not lies. I am not disgruntal, and yes, I will release parts on this website. Parts that I am more then sure will speak for themselves. Anyone on this site that knows me already knows that I have the knowledge, experience, and ability to back up everything I have ever said on here. Only time will tell.

Charles Gordon

:eyes: :shock: WOW :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:eyes: :shock: WOW :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

WOW indeed

Almost a year of warnings and finally maybe someone will listen. Amazing.

You forgot the part about routing the wastegate tube back against flow in the exhaust and breaking the shaft. Good design, Kenneth.

Umm wow....

Zpi care to comment....? After the PM ZPI sent me ill let them comment then I will go from there.

Charles,

I am not going to get into a ____ing match with you. We have operated our business to the highest of ethical standards with hundreds if not thousands of satisfied customers to validate this. Our claimed WHP numbers have been duplicated on every part that we have released. Our head package is no different. I also believe David’s car made more whp than my car with out the above mentioned parts. We have not produced, labeled or shipped a part that has not worked to the ability advertised since our inception.

We have no need to defend ourselves we are still the only company that has successfully released and shipped a turbo kit. The kit does and produces exactly what we said it will, this is no different than every other part that we sell. I am well aware that you are gathering a few guys to in an attempt to undermine our products that’s fine. We have big shoulders we can take it.
ZPIracing is much more than Kenny Strickler luckily we have the resources and team in place to bring a quality product to this community. We even tried to help you in your new endeavor which accepted at time of departure yet have still failed to pay your existing bill. For weeks following you frequently visited the shop and utilized our resources to acquire parts. You continue to ride the ZPI shirt tail in attempt to build your business, if we are such a unethical business then why would you continue to use your affiliation with us to validate your ability. Any slander on any past work is no more than a reflection of your work so I would think that you would not let a vehicle leave that you where not happy with.

The ability to mass produce multiple products whether it only is the final assembly or the entire line is much more than one person. Your thinking of this all revolves around one person is the major reason for your dismissal. A million dollar a year company is a team effort and this is what we posses at Zero Point Industries, LLC. We are aware of your bitterness of coming into work one day and being let go although an attempt to belittle us after we have continued to deliver products that produce the power safely that we advertise only frowns upon your potential business adventure.

No one is questioning your contribution to the development of the ZPIracing product line. This was not accomplished by you or I this was an entire team effort that was a great feat for all involve. This includes our vendors, employees, investors etc…. We are very proud of our accomplishments and the quality of product that we sell and we never tried to take any of that away from you. You should not believe that you or any one person was the reason anything has been successful thus far.

As far as the as claims about Russo’s car. Yes I messed up the oil line with to much gasket maker which ultimately caused rod bearing failure. I then replaced the engine free of charge. I am not above saying that I make mistakes but I assure you that I make right on them also. This is no different than the way we do business.

As far as the PM to you Keith- We felt than as a authorized reseller of our product line that you should look for product info from us. If you are looking for popular opinion then you are a consumer which tells us that you are more interested in parts for your vehicle than to resell. This and with the reply you sent is why we pulled our product line from your company.

ZPIracing is a performance shop. We do a lot of our initial designing and research but we are not a manufacturing factory. You will realize the longer that you are in this industry most “manufacturers” are no different. We test and design our products but these are made by other companies some of these are companies that private label to us, or we may use the same factory as they do.

So why do you buy from ZPI v. an online retailer? We would like to think that you would do this simply because you want to support a business that supports the Scion Community. Or that it is the customer service that you have came to expect from ZPI.

Or above all it is that you get to talk to Keisha’s hot butt in the event that you need a tracking number…

We are not trying to mislead anyone we do not mass produce, we initially design, research, and put into production our parts. This may or may not be the case all the time but this is usually our business practice. They still have to pass our quality standards and you get the support of ZPIracing.

Regardless of the similarities or the same design that someone else may or not be using the end of the day you are buying a ZPIracing product and you will get the support and knowledge that comes with such.

I hope this clarifies any misconception that might exist.

-Kenny

:rofl: :silly:

As far as the PM to you Keith- We felt than as a authorized reseller of our product line that you should look for product info from us. If you are looking for popular opinion then you are a consumer which tells us that you are more interested in parts for your vehicle than to resell. This and with the reply you sent is why we pulled our product line from your company.

Oh really? I do resell but when I asked you how long for shipping... and you say 2-3 weeks... then I see later that still havent shipped....

You know what im taking that your kenny. You never told me you pulled you told me if I make comments like I do... What comments asking how the stage 1's are running out there? I look out for my customers sorry I dont go leaping into things... As for me not reselling? ____ I sold more product this week then you sell a turbo kit for... So please dont try and make me look bad... And since you wanna do that... heres the PM you sent me....

Not sure as to what your intentions are but it appears as if you are trying to start $hit. If the ____ty remarks continue we will no longer offer you wholesale pricing.

Thanks

I asked how the stage 1's are doing in the power hungry and I get a pm like that... Yea kenny you are so business oriented....

I will remove your products from my site at once... I know now that what Charles posted to be true.

Have a nice day kenny.

Oh btw funny you talk all this... I have your exhaust on my car... LOL

Anyways anyone want an exhaust... not gonna rep a company like this.

Nice to see the cat is finally out of the bag :rolling: :rofl: .

:eyebrow: why is there always have to be so much drama. If ZPI is all the worst things that you read on here, then it will have the same rep as TC Tuners. As of now they are the first ones to be shipping ANY kind of turbo kit for a TC and that is nothing to sneeze on.

Yes there are some mistakes that they make but they are doing what they have to do to capture the market cap first. Do you remember how badly Jamasco failed their dealers and their customers? You better remind yourself what industry this is and how tough it is to stay on top.

If you can do better Charles, I can only hope that you do. You know better then I am that physical ability to do R&D has little to do with being able to manage and run a business like ZPI. I have talked to you on couple of occasions (Pete, Flint Mica TC shipped from CA) and I know you are a very descent person; however, this bickering is not getting anybody anywhere. Good luck, really (no sarcasm intended.)

Well, I take back the comment earlier about professionalism..... This discussion should be taken offline... Both of you vendors have not really done too much to merit too much support by bringing this stuff out in such a public forum... despite whatever real problems either of your companies may have...


I truly hope our mods address this soon...

From one Scionlife member, none of this represents what scionlife is about.... sorry to have to witness it from such innovative members and supporters of the scion community...

Oh my goodness.


Well I figured Charles always would have my business when he first mentioned something about making his own stuff but damned if I ever thought ZPI would lose my business.

Not that it has but my faith in ZPI has certainly been shaken.

I will await further complaints by disinterested people.

No offense to any party involved, but right now Keith's opinion is the only one I can trust and it's negative. I can't exactly trust Charles' opinion nor current ZPI employees' opinions - I hope you understand.

However, Keith was a seller for ZPI and had the products pulled so he could be considered an interested party...

Let's here what consumers say..

We agree that any post like these should not be brought on to a national forum. We have been attacked by our competition from local shop supporters to national contenders. We have tried to stay above the BS and do nothing more than deliver a product that we are proud of.

We do not come on here and attempt an integrity attack on our competitors. We try to support the community as a whole. This is not the first time or last time I am sure that we will be attacked. The only two common similarities are that we continue to deliver a quality product even after all the slander that they can throw at us. The customer support of ZPIracing continues to be industry leading.

We apologize if any of our post has offended anyone we try to maintain a level of professionalism yet while providing an assertive response. It is not like we ask to be dragged into to a online cat fight, yet we have to issue a response.

Well you did call him out.. then you dragged me into it.

You no longer have my support from the way I was treated nor other people you have serviced.

That is all

Well, this topic is no longer going anywhere...

Guys, if you have to fight, take it outside.

This is finished on ScionLife.

And "look what he made me do" is not an acceptable excuse.