Edited - There seems to be some issues on shifting. Working with Turbo East now. :tap:

Here we go Automatic tC owners. I put together the kit using a Dezod Emanage harness. However, any harness should work if it is straight thru. I do recommend one, but not necessary.

The instructions are good (hard to read a little), but the connectors are laid out going INTO the ECU. So my harness is laid out to plug into the ECU to get the right connector and right terminal pins. E8 - E7 - E6 - E5 - E4. Top row number 1-2-3 from right to left.

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First thing I did was locate Ground and use a wire tap. E8 Terminal 17

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Now I'm getting ready to cut the E7 - Terminal 12 wire

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Now I soldered terminal 12 spliced wires and heat shrink them (green heat shrink)

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The other E7 - terminal 13 wire cut, soldered and (white) heat shrinked. I also tapped into the red Ignition wire E4 - Terminal 9 with a wire tap connector. I added a long piece of red because I will wire in a switch....once I confirm it works right.

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I will post pic of actuall install tomorrow morning. I can't do it now...no car. I will have it tomorrow morning...then take it for a test drive :nails:

So do we still have to wait for ZPI to come out with the E.S.K.?

Nice write up ScionDad

So do we still have to wait for ZPI to come out with the E.S.K.?

Nice write up ScionDad

No, you can get it from turboeast.com ..... I'm not sure if ZPI if going to carry it or not.

So I need to go to TurboEast and buy the IS3's E.S.K. and ungraded valve body and Dezod harness?

Thats all I would need to get the ball rolling right?

So do we still have to wait for ZPI to come out with the E.S.K.?

Nice write up ScionDad

No, you can get it from turboeast.com ..... I'm not sure if ZPI if going to carry it or not.


ZPI should since some people are boosting auto tC's :bow: . video's would be cool ScionDad...have you posted any?

:clap: :clap: on top of it once again! Gotta let us know the results ASAP!!!

So I need to go to TurboEast and buy the IS3's E.S.K. and ungraded valve body and Dezod harness?

Thats all I would need to get the ball rolling right?

Well, that's kinda the cool part. If the E.S.K does the trick, no need to do the valve body upgrade. If the shift needs to be harder under boost, then you wouldn't need the E.S.K - just do the valve body upgrade. But you shouldn't need both as far as I understand it.

The Dezod harness will only work if you plan on installing Emanage at the same time becaue the Dezod harness is prewired for Emanage. The ZPI harness is not prewired when they get them, so if you are not going Emanage, then I would get a ZPI harness without Emanage taps.

Video Tomorrow morning. :nails:

i have a question... for those of us who have automatics and install the e.s.k....

if we were to get the TRD supercharger and the reflash from toyota, would that at all in anyway corrupt the e.s.k. since it is connected to the ecu, or does it have nothing to do with it at all?

Man, that ECU harness is expensive... shows up as $295 on ZPI's site... I thought it was supposed to be $200?

i'm still a little ignorant about the e.s.k. is it for harder shifts on an auto?

i'm still a little ignorant about the e.s.k. is it for harder shifts on an auto?

Here's the original thread that'll explain more:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=90145&highlight=

But basically yea, it's for auto trannys and it's supposed to eliminate sloppy shifting

Hey ScionDad, once this all works and you add in the switch, will it be safe to turn the ESK off/on while driving? Thanks.

Let's see this! I'm excited!

watching thread

I installed the kit and YES....it shifts much harder and more of a thump. Really NICE. :bow: I drove it around the block a few time and really like the feel of the shifts.

However...the Emanage makes the car run poor. I set the switches to 4-2-2 and left everything else as is and it idles rough and feels like no power when taking off. So, I removed the harness and put it back stock. Sloppy shift but much better idle and power. :tap:

However, this discussion is about the E.S.K and I MUST give it a thumbs up big time for a stock tC. I need to see how it handles with boost, next. :clap:

Now...I need to find out why emanage makes the car run like crap. :tap:

nice! thanks for all the hard work ScionDad...

so if we use the ESK with the regular ECU harness, it should have better results than with the Emanage right?

Can this be turned off and on by a switch? This would make it a ++++ so that I can get smooth shift when normal driving and turn this baby on when I'm at the track or just to have a friendly race with someone at a stoplight.

-PT

Hey ScionDad, you know im gonna ask it......



















VIDEO PLEASE :pray:

Oh ya forgot to ask, does it chirp 1st to 2nd gear and 2nd to 3rd gear?

So the ESK works, but the emanage does not? Where can we buy the ESK?

I didn't get on it hard because the emanage had a error light and the engine didn't run well due to the emanage, idle sucked big time.

But, the shifting is much better. I installed it again to troubleshoot the emanage and I must say, it's very easy to mount and interconnect.

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Oh it just plugs in behind the glove box. nice.

So the ESK works, but the emanage does not? Where can we buy the ESK?

The ESK can be purchased from turboeast.com ($210), and the ECU harness can be purchased from ZPI ($295!).

ScionDad, were you able to test the ESK without the emanage? and if so, no problems with idling then right?

Glad it worked out for you!

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You'd have to get vids of the tach if anything - nothing really to notice from the exterior, etc. Just feels like a crisp firm shift. Now, a valve body you can get some squeakage and that makes for some decent video

vids and vids of tach please.......

make sure daughter is driving haha

Can someone answer my question already...

1. Does this thing have a on or off button?
2. Does it chirp the tires?
3. Why doesn't anybody answer any questions I ask on this forum. It's almost a 50/50 chance someone will see my posts and reply to me.

Can someone answer my question already...

1. Does this thing have a on or off button?
2. Does it chirp the tires?
3. Why doesn't anybody answer any questions I ask on this forum. It's almost a 50/50 chance someone will see my posts and reply to me.

1. no
2. no
3. maybe cuz you sound like a 5-year-old with an attitude. have some patience...

Can someone answer my question already...

1. Does this thing have a on or off button?
2. Does it chirp the tires?
3. Why doesn't anybody answer any questions I ask on this forum. It's almost a 50/50 chance someone will see my posts and reply to me.

1. no
2. no
3. maybe cuz you sound like a 5-year-old with an attitude. have some patience...


Well I've been on this forum for over a year and a half. Thats a bit long if you ask me.

What map did you have programmed in your e-manage? Obviously you can't just plug it in and expect it to be perfect? Does it have a turbo map in it? You need to dyno tune an emanage for it to work correctly

Can someone answer my question already...

1. Does this thing have a on or off button?
2. Does it chirp the tires?
3. Why doesn't anybody answer any questions I ask on this forum. It's almost a 50/50 chance someone will see my posts and reply to me.

1. no
2. no
3. maybe cuz you sound like a 5-year-old with an attitude. have some patience...


Well I've been on this forum for over a year and a half. Thats a bit long if you ask me.

And you've just started posting....not to mention you just joined this topic so chill the hell out man. seriously.

way to pwn him ehong :rofl:

Oh yeah, by the way....

339 days isn't a year and a half.

it says you've been a member of scionlife since Dec 31st, 2004.

It's only Dec 4th

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Oh yeah, by the way....

339 days isn't a year and a half.

it says you've been a member of scionlife since Dec 31st, 2004.

It's only Dec 4th

:loser:

Well it happens I joined at that date but I've been reading on this forum since I've purchased my tC in late July. I was one of the first auto tC owners. I should have more respect because my parents didn't buy me this car unlike many of you on this forum. I am a 19 year old in college paying my own way and have already paid off my tC from the start from working my ___ off in high school.

Sorry if I have offended anyone but I am just a little irritated because I have been ignored almost everytime I have posted.

I was one of the first auto tC owners. I should have more respect because my parents didn't buy me this car unlike many of you on this forum. I am a 19 year old in college paying my own way and have already paid off my tC from the start from working my butt off in high school.

Do you want a cookie??

Quit having an attitude when you post, and maybe we'll answer you....as for this topic, we did, now stop with the "oh im 19 and paying my own way through college" crap, the majority of the scion owners are college students, so your not really THAT special

As for parents paying for my car.....hmm not really, because if they co signed on it, then i couldn't of traded it in now could i of? if parents did, it was so they could get a good credit score so the monthly payments would be lower.

you need to shut it dude. for real.









back on topic....


sciondad, vids pretty please :pray: :pray: :pray:

I was one of the first auto tC owners. I should have more respect because my parents didn't buy me this car unlike many of you on this forum. I am a 19 year old in college paying my own way and have already paid off my tC from the start from working my butt off in high school.

Do you want a cookie??

Quit having an attitude when you post, and maybe we'll answer you....as for this topic, we did, now stop with the "oh im 19 and paying my own way through college" crap, the majority of the scion owners are college students, so your not really THAT special

As for parents paying for my car.....hmm not really, because if they co signed on it, then i couldn't of traded it in now could i of? if parents did, it was so they could get a good credit score so the monthly payments would be lower.

you need to shut it dude. for real.









back on topic....


sciondad, vids pretty please :pray: :pray: :pray:

Yes it is true that most tC owners are college students. Point out the more obvious when Scion is aiming towards youth. How does this have any relevance to your pathetic argument? Also I highly doubt anyone on here a college student actually worked for their tC and had it paid off by the age of 18. Nobody could have put down 19K for their car without having the help from somebody. I earned every penny working. So there my last thing said. I'm not saying anymore because this will go on forever.

some KIDS never learn..... :nope: always gotta have attitude...if u wanna argue dude, IM me on AIM

quit whoring this topic

What map did you have programmed in your e-manage? Obviously you can't just plug it in and expect it to be perfect? Does it have a turbo map in it? You need to dyno tune an emanage for it to work correctly

There is no map, it was supposed to make no changes at all...just run as it would if it were the stock ecu.

What map did you have programmed in your e-manage? Obviously you can't just plug it in and expect it to be perfect? Does it have a turbo map in it? You need to dyno tune an emanage for it to work correctly

There is no map, it was supposed to make no changes at all...just run as it would if it were the stock ecu.

He did not set the jumpers properly.

Can someone answer my question already...

1. Does this thing have a on or off button?
2. Does it chirp the tires?
3. Why doesn't anybody answer any questions I ask on this forum. It's almost a 50/50 chance someone will see my posts and reply to me.

It did not come with one - but I added one. A simple switch on the red power line. I would think throwing the switch with the car on might be a bit risky as it may send a voltage spike messing up the ECU.

Don't know if it chirps tires yet. But I know the shift is much better. I will le yo know if they chirp when I get emanage clear.

Not sure about #3. I answer when I can.

What map did you have programmed in your e-manage? Obviously you can't just plug it in and expect it to be perfect? Does it have a turbo map in it? You need to dyno tune an emanage for it to work correctly

No, no maps loaded. If you install emamage leaving all the tables 0 and dials at 0 (set the switches and jumpers)...it should be stock.

What map did you have programmed in your e-manage? Obviously you can't just plug it in and expect it to be perfect? Does it have a turbo map in it? You need to dyno tune an emanage for it to work correctly

There is no map, it was supposed to make no changes at all...just run as it would if it were the stock ecu.

He did not set the jumpers properly.

:bow: I will make the changes this evening and have it flying. Thank you very much.

I will say, the Dezod harness is FIRST CLASS. :clap: Makes the taps very easy and the connections are strong...no fear of them breaking free at all.

Glad it worked out for you!

Mattssi - much owed to you - it was your direction that lead to them. Props to ya.... :clap:

I will say, the Dezod harness is FIRST CLASS. :clap: Makes the taps very easy and the connections are strong...no fear of them breaking free at all.

Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to write a review. *cough*


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Im going to order mine :)

good job ScionDad! Good luck with everything.

Keep us updated with everything

Sorry Sciondad for purposely getting flamed at. I did that so people will recognize my name now and won't just look over my posts. I guess it worked haha.

Sorry Sciondad for purposely getting flamed at. I did that so people will recognize my name now and won't just look over my posts. I guess it worked haha.

No worries.... :clap:

Ouch. so $500 for this upgrade huh?

Hey ScionDad, do you know if the only place to get the ecu harness from is zpi? Their price is kind of steep at $295... was hoping for it to be more around $200. it doesn't seem like such a complicated part to warrant that kind of price, especially if it costs more than the ESK itself.

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:rofl: :silly: awesome upgrade sciondad, dezod never fails :wink:

Absolutely badass ScionDad. Can't wait till you turn that boost up and test it out.

I've seen so many people ruin auto trannies with these things. This is how it works - an auto trans' shifts are based on pressure from hydraulic fluid inside the transmission. Think of it as a series of "switches" that switch through ears when certain passages' hydraulic fluid reach specific pressures. It's really a LOT more complicated than that, but that's the easiest way to explain it so people who don't know will understand.

If you ever get a chance to look at the inside of an auto tranny for any car do it - it looks like the inside of a damned ant hill. There are a billion little hydro passages and everything is pretty small and exact.

These shift kits increase the pressure of the electronic mechanisms inside the trans that move this fluid around to increase pressure and make the trans shift a lot harder and faster... it'd be the same as slamming through gears in a manual trans - except worse since an auto trans is a lot more prone to failure than a manual trans (which, by contrast, are pretty simple in their inner-workings).

These shifter kits are pretty much all the same for all auto cars, and contrary to anything the manufacturers say, they WILL reduce the life of your trans by quite a lot.

In other words it'll basically turn the longevity of your Toyota transmission to that of a GM transmission. ;)

I've thought about this quite alot and here is my conclusion regarding the harness.

First, it is imperative that if a harness is used - it has to be TOP QUALITY. If not, a bad connection can really cause problems since every signal to/from the ECU will go thru the harness. Making these is a feat of art to say the least. Alot of connections. Most harnesses like these are usually in the $200+ range.

Second - the harness is not necessary for this install. 2 wires would be cut and the other 2 wires merely tap for power. However, if something were to happen to the ECU - the dealers might have an issue if they see 2 cut wires connected back together. However, if done properly - $200 for the E.S.K is a good deal.

Third - ZPI might be able to reduce the harness price for straight thru since no taps are required, I don't know, but I'll ask. They wire their own up from Greddy harnesses if I understand it correctly. I have a call in to Kenny now to see if maybe they might do a complete package - harness and E.S.K all together.

I presume Turboeast.com does their installs without a harness kit. They just cut and tap.

I've seen so many people ruin auto trannies with these things. This is how it works - an auto trans' shifts are based on pressure from hydraulic fluid inside the transmission. Think of it as a series of "switches" that switch through ears when certain passages' hydraulic fluid reach specific pressures. It's really a LOT more complicated than that, but that's the easiest way to explain it so people who don't know will understand.

If you ever get a chance to look at the inside of an auto tranny for any car do it - it looks like the inside of a damned ant hill. There are a billion little hydro passages and everything is pretty small and exact.

These shift kits increase the pressure of the electronic mechanisms inside the trans that move this fluid around to increase pressure and make the trans shift a lot harder and faster... it'd be the same as slamming through gears in a manual trans - except worse since an auto trans is a lot more prone to failure than a manual trans (which, by contrast, are pretty simple in their inner-workings).

These shifter kits are pretty much all the same for all auto cars, and contrary to anything the manufacturers say, they WILL reduce the life of your trans by quite a lot.

In other words it'll basically turn the longevity of your Toyota transmission to that of a GM transmission. ;)

That's kind of the cool part. On-Off Switch. The auto has a built in factory cooler - lines running to the radiator. Another one would help keep the temps down, esp with boost - the REAL tranny killer is heat.

Also, I'll take a GM turbo 400 tranny with a B&M shift kit ANY day.

That's kind of the cool part. On-Off Switch. The auto has a built in factory cooler - lines running to the radiator. Another one would help keep the temps down, esp with boost - the REAL tranny killer is heat.

Also, I'll take a GM turbo 400 tranny with a B&M shift kit ANY day.

could you explain this a little further please? so if the ESK is kept "on" the entire time, it will decrease the tranny lifetime like i64X said?

do you mean it's cool because with a switch wired in, we could turn on the ESK only when we feel the need for harder shifting? thanks...

That's kind of the cool part. On-Off Switch. The auto has a built in factory cooler - lines running to the radiator. Another one would help keep the temps down, esp with boost - the REAL tranny killer is heat.

Also, I'll take a GM turbo 400 tranny with a B&M shift kit ANY day.

could you explain this a little further please? so if the ESK is kept "on" the entire time, it will decrease the tranny lifetime like i64X said?

do you mean it's cool because with a switch wired in, we could turn on the ESK only when we feel the need for harder shifting? thanks...

Yes, you could wire in a switch and turn it on and off when you want to.

As for shortening the tranny life - I doubt it would be anything noticable. In fact, as I understand it - the Greddy EManage Ultimate has the possibility of doing this exact same thing this box is doing. Turboeast has been doing the upgrade to the Lexus series for 3 or 4 years....I'm thinking not much of an issue.

Heat is the biggest killer of automatics. Keeping it cool and maintained is the key to long life autos. Nice thing is our automatics already have the tranny lines going to the radiator for external cooling. Nice touch IMO from the factory.

Tow alot and your tranny will die MUCH faster than this kit could ever kill it. It's because of the heat.

If it does die down the road...remove the harness and take it in. :lalala: :rofl:

That's kind of the cool part. On-Off Switch. The auto has a built in factory cooler - lines running to the radiator. Another one would help keep the temps down, esp with boost - the REAL tranny killer is heat.

Also, I'll take a GM turbo 400 tranny with a B&M shift kit ANY day.

could you explain this a little further please? so if the ESK is kept "on" the entire time, it will decrease the tranny lifetime like i64X said?

do you mean it's cool because with a switch wired in, we could turn on the ESK only when we feel the need for harder shifting? thanks...

Yes, you could wire in a switch and turn it on and off when you want to.

As for shortening the tranny life - I doubt it would be anything noticable. In fact, as I understand it - the Greddy EManage Ultimate has the possibility of doing this exact same thing this box is doing. Turboeast has been doing the upgrade to the Lexus series for 3 or 4 years....I'm thinking not much of an issue.

Heat is the biggest killer of automatics. Keeping it cool and maintained is the key to long life autos. Nice thing is our automatics already have the tranny lines going to the radiator for external cooling. Nice touch IMO from the factory.

Tow alot and your tranny will die MUCH faster than this kit could ever kill it. It's because of the heat.

If it does die down the road...remove the harness and take it in. :lalala: :rofl:

haha thanks... maybe I should wait a little while and see how it works out for you =P

That's kind of the cool part. On-Off Switch. The auto has a built in factory cooler - lines running to the radiator. Another one would help keep the temps down, esp with boost - the REAL tranny killer is heat.

Also, I'll take a GM turbo 400 tranny with a B&M shift kit ANY day.

could you explain this a little further please? so if the ESK is kept "on" the entire time, it will decrease the tranny lifetime like i64X said?

do you mean it's cool because with a switch wired in, we could turn on the ESK only when we feel the need for harder shifting? thanks...

Yes, you could wire in a switch and turn it on and off when you want to.

As for shortening the tranny life - I doubt it would be anything noticable. In fact, as I understand it - the Greddy EManage Ultimate has the possibility of doing this exact same thing this box is doing. Turboeast has been doing the upgrade to the Lexus series for 3 or 4 years....I'm thinking not much of an issue.

Heat is the biggest killer of automatics. Keeping it cool and maintained is the key to long life autos. Nice thing is our automatics already have the tranny lines going to the radiator for external cooling. Nice touch IMO from the factory.

Tow alot and your tranny will die MUCH faster than this kit could ever kill it. It's because of the heat.

If it does die down the road...remove the harness and take it in. :lalala: :rofl:

haha thanks... maybe I should wait a little while and see how it works out for you =P

You should have seen me saying prayers when I first hooked it up. I'm thinking OK...If I have to go buy another ECU....I'm gonna be highly ticked off. :rofl:

Anybody install ATF coolers yet? I smelled mine burning while mountain carving about a week ago =(.

Anybody install ATF coolers yet? I smelled mine burning while mountain carving about a week ago =(.

No, but the kits are really inexpensive and easy to install. I would also recommend going synthetic ATF.... :bow:

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none of the pics in your posts today are working^^^^^^^

Well, I just finished moving the jumper and hooking the emanage up again and same thing. Code 11 flashing once the car starts...then it idles really rough, Code 11 is AF sensor imporper wiring or bypassed. It should be the white and green wire split.

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I hate stuff like this. Emanage is so friggin funny. Paul at Dezod gave me the emanage program infomation to plug in...that will solve my issue.
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none of the pics in your posts today are working^^^^^^^

yeah i just realized they are .gif files.... sorry about that simplyscion :doh:

none of the pics in your posts today are working^^^^^^^

yeah i just realized they are .gif files.... sorry about that simplyscion :doh:

I dont mind, just thought it was funny cause I noticed it in like 10 different threads today lol

ttt, watching

any update on solving your problem ScionDad?