So tonight I was driving next to a S/C tC on the highway. We just cruised for a few miles and I was thinking about how everyone says how hard they pull in High RPM's. So of course I have to find out right? I started to mess with the guy for while and I heard him downshift.....and we went for it. We started around 75-80 mph and I stayed right with him all the way till 120. Like he didnt get one inch on my. Once we hit 120 he started to pull slightly so I let off. We got off the next exit and the guy thought I was S/C'd too. I was like nope and he was as surprised as me. Long story short I was not too impressed with the S/C, of course I havent drivin it yet but as far as this hign end pull....I didnt see it?

:yawn: :rofl:

Sounds like he either wasnt really supercharged or he wasnt trying.

Well he did have someone else in the car so he had extra weight. But it was S/C I saw it.

I'm still not buying into this one :no: :nope: :yawn:

why would I make that up?

why would I make that up?

People make up alot of this on this forum. Like I said before, I'm supercharged and I slaughter you N/A guys without even trying.

maybe he wasnt trying that hard then? This was the first time I had seen the S/C and the thing is HUGE.

maybe he wasnt trying that hard then? This was the first time I had seen the S/C and the thing is HUGE.

He popped his hood and let you see it? don't know if you could really keep up with a S/C tC, not calling you a liar, but a little bit hard to swallow.

I don't think anyone is trying to be mean to you, but logic tells us that a car with somewhere around 40 more horsepower would be more impressive. But if that's what you saw, then that's quite odd.

I don't think the weight of one person could counterbalance the 40 horsepower gap, unless they were HUGE.

it is extremely hard to believe since ur sig. says all you have is a trd exhaust which prolly only puts out like 2-3 whp..u dont even hav an intake or header yet. so u'd think that something that costs $3500 compared to ur $350 exhaust would give him a very big edge.

Sorry, that just sounds very unrealistic..

he's pushing around 200 whp and you are...140ish?

I'm not really so much calling BS on the fact that he has a S/C but rather...I'm thinking he gave maybe 1/2 throttle, or something.

like i said before, maybe he didnt push as hard as he could. There was another person in the car. That was my first seeing the S/C in action so that was just my first thoughts.

started pulling on you after 120?

he shoulda pulled on you when it was 75-80 :lalala:

i think he was toying with ya lol.. :rofl:

why would I make that up?

why would u need gauges in ur non-boosted car? :loser:

Alright nevermind my previous post, it appears that people are indeed trying to be mean to you.

Hard to believe man.

Yeah man, not trying to be mean to you either but that is just a bit hard to believe :eyebrow:

maybe he missed a shift or two...or three, not buying it either

it is extremely hard to believe since ur sig. says all you have is a trd exhaust which prolly only puts out like 2-3 whp...

2-3 whp LOL that's rich :tap:

don't get me wrong, I have the TRD "exhaust"... but honestly... it's a musical instrument attached to the end of my exhaust :doh:

Well i belived him my cousin has a s/c tc and i only have headers , intake and mufler we went to race on a highway and he beat me for less than half of car
so i dont think the supercharger is worth it
All this guys talk too much about it because it hurst to spend from $3500.00 TO $400.00 on something only give you 50 horsepower more i just think you paying $1000.00 for every ten horsepower you get

Me personally i am saving money for the turbo charger stage 2

I think s/c its a waist of money

a real race car its more than 300 wbhp not 192 wbhp like the supercharger

I hope nobody get offended with this post

Well i belived him my cousin has a s/c tc and i only have headers , intake and mufler we went to race on a highway and he beat me for less than half of car
so i dont think the supercharger is worth it
All this guys talk too much about it because it hurst to spend from $3500.00 TO $400.00 on something only give you 50 horsepower more i just think you paying $1000.00 for every ten horsepower you get

Me personally i am saving money for the turbo charger stage 2

I think s/c its a waist of money

a real race car its more than 300 wbhp not 192 wbhp like the supercharger

I hope nobody get offended with this post


LMAO you are so going to get flamed.
Anywho sounds like to me that if he only beat you by a half a car length that it was due to driver error call lack of experience and courage to aggressively take the car to it's limits.

I have blown by stock tCs with the tiny OEM mods that I have in my car. I have driven stickshift for 14 years and have driven for 16. I've auto xed and have had my days of wreckless youth driving. That count for something.

If anybody is in Madison WI area, I'd be glad to give you a comparison run (weather permitting. There is like 5 inches of snow on the ground and my car is 'hybernating' till warmer weather...

Sorry man your full of crap or he was toying with you laughing all the way *LOL* I have now raced two non supercharged tc's and they did not stand a chance on this earth keeping up with me especially after 2nd gear. By the end of 3rd I am usually 3-4 full lenghts ahead, after 3rd it is all over and you would be getting small very fast in the rear view. Nice story though!

uummmm

:rofl:
I knew it
You guys know i'm right , but don't get offended its ok $4000.00 its a lot for 50 horsepower :loser:
when you can get with $3000.00 about 130 horsepower out of a tubocharger

I been on car bussines for so long i work for acura dealer (as a parts counter) and my brother works for a Toyota scion dealer (as a class A tech) he is the one who install the superchargers on scion and he says and i say supercharger it's too much money

but hey guys take it easy its our personal opinion if you want to spend all that money on the supercharger its your money no mine you're free to do whatever you want with it

Well i belived him my cousin has a s/c tc and i only have headers , intake and mufler we went to race on a highway and he beat me for less than half of car
so i dont think the supercharger is worth it
All this guys talk too much about it because it hurst to spend from $3500.00 TO $400.00 on something only give you 50 horsepower more i just think you paying $1000.00 for every ten horsepower you get

Me personally i am saving money for the turbo charger stage 2

I think s/c its a waist of money

a real race car its more than 300 wbhp not 192 wbhp like the supercharger

I hope nobody get offended with this post


Sorry but if you think a tc with 300whp is a race car then you must be in a different world than myself. A tc with 300whp is a quick car and that is it. A tc with the trd package is a smart choice that makes a fun car that will last and is well balanced and that is it. The trd package is especially for people that have grown up, respect what a warranty gives you and uses a car for it's purpose which is to drive and have some fun on the side. Never confuse a race car with a quick street car. I see that mistake made everyday / every weekend at the track and most all 300whp street cars and there drivers that think they have a monster on there hands get put in there place in a hurry by guys that put less money in there total vehicle cost than you would with a stage whatever.

Simple fact is guys, the tc is a nice coupe, nice price tag and overall a very nice car. It can handle decent, built up to be quick and at the same time offer allot of cool features that cost 2x more. That is it. All 300whp is going to get you is a nice repair bill when crap heads south fast, a few oooohs and aaahhhhss by some friends or people you do not know and some bragging rights that you can beat most of the daily driver cars on the road. All your glory will head south fast because there is always somthing allot more cool than yours that will be released 2 days after you bought your dream. But by all means go stage 37.5 v 3.0 and have fun, hope it is all you expected and more while it lasts!!

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I knew it
You guys know i'm right , but don't get offended its ok $4000.00 its a lot for 50 horsepower :loser:
when you can get with $3000.00 about 130 horsepower out of a tubocharger

I been on car bussines for so long i work for acura dealer (as a parts counter) and my brother works for a Toyota scion dealer (as a class A tech) he is the one who install the superchargers on scion and he says and i say supercharger it's too much money

but hey guys take it easy its our personal opinion if you want to spend all that money on the supercharger its your money no mine you're free to do whatever you want with it

Seems you know it all. My sc total out of pocked was $2880.00 out the door with myself doing the install "would never have it any other way", I get to keep my warranty, have a fun car and with very minor mods which net a total out the door price of about $200.00 I can have a car that nets right at 220-230whp depending on the dyno you go to. Spend another $400 or so and it will put you in an honest 240-250whp range. Turbo or Sc? Just depends on how much you wanna impress that boosted civic in the next lane that will forget about you in a day or your friends.. But always remember, you have to live with the decisions you make and you probably have allot of payments left on that new car!

Yea I don't think the stock S/C is that much faster then a NA because of the ECU reflash it is still very wimpy. If you get new pully, full catback, and header then maybe it will be decent.

Yeah very wimpy. About as wimpy as a gst or gsx eclipse was factory or an mr2 turbo factory *LOL* Hp/torque are the bottom line. If you do not think 192 whp or 220 unprogrammed will put a whoppin on a n/a tc with mods then you have no clue about cars period. The tc is not a race car in any trim from 200-300whp. You guys crack me up! And 99.9% of all the smack talkers and speculators about whimpy or slow cars are the same guys that buy throttle body spaces, ground wire kits and slap on an intake thinking there car can take on the world! Why is it that every ricer I know thinks that cat back and header is what makes a car great and fast. Man must be late or I am drunk but this forum cracks me up. And these posts are not directed at anyone in particular on here, just late night fun facts haha.

Here is a little math for you.

1 will never be greater than 2.
145 will never be greater than 192.
160 will never be greater than 200

Your 150-160 hp of intake and cat back fury will never outrun a boosted tc in any form and they will whipe the floor with you. If you think you will be within a car length of a boosted tc in any form up around 120 mph, either the boosted tc has the cruise control on or you secretly tied a rope from your car to his tow hook and are drafting his car to try to keep up before the rope breaks. Those are the simple facts. Man I give this forum 10 out of 10 skirts up for great reading material.

I hope you guys realize you sound like people I have seen on the mr2 forums, or diamond star forums that think there 2.2 mr2 is almost as fast as a turbo mr2 "man my n/a was within a lenght of that turbo the other day when no one was looking and I was by myself" or a n/a eclipse is almost as fast as a turbo eclipse. Heck there is even people like you "you know who you are" that think there freakin n/a cobalts are "almost as fast" as a sc cobalt *LOL*. If you are one of these people, and you all know who you are... just stop. The rest of the world is laughing at you! Be happy with what you have and do not try to claim it is more than it is. People will respect you more that way. Hell if you have a bone stock tc with a bobble head doll on the dash, you are doing better than the majority of the people on this planet.

I believe you!!! Now stop the flaming guys :P

Wow.... this is sad. what the world is comming to these days. oh well. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:

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:rofl:
I knew it
You guys know i'm right , but don't get offended its ok $4000.00 its a lot for 50 horsepower :loser:
when you can get with $3000.00 about 130 horsepower out of a tubocharger

I been on car bussines for so long i work for acura dealer (as a parts counter) and my brother works for a Toyota scion dealer (as a class A tech) he is the one who install the superchargers on scion and he says and i say supercharger it's too much money

but hey guys take it easy its our personal opinion if you want to spend all that money on the supercharger its your money no mine you're free to do whatever you want with it


lol in the car business eh? :yawn:
No one says that you are wrong and you have offended nobody. No pun intended, but you boosting the obvious with your lack of sentence structure, articulation, and spelling, well, it makes you sound like more of a moron and counters your intelligence about the subject of the discussion. :bow: :rofl:

Welcome to the obvious! Turbo systems for right now with this car are faster! Boy jee wiz wally you are such a rocket scientist! :blah: :loser:

It is about warranty and keeping with the OEM vibe.
I could shove a noz system in my car for under 200 bucks and kick anybody's arse if I wanted to. woohoo :yawn: so what? That is not the point.

I come from a turbo back ground and I love the low end torque. I just hate the turbo lag which can be dangerous if you need to get up and move in certain circumstances. Turbos are more prone to breakdowns and costly repairs. Do your math on how much money you will be spending after your turbo system starts to crap out on you. I promise you you will be spending a whole lot more dinero in the long run.

Yeah very wimpy. About as wimpy as a gst or gsx eclipse was factory or an mr2 turbo factory *LOL* Hp/torque are the bottom line. If you do not think 192 whp or 220 unprogrammed will put a whoppin on a n/a tc with mods then you have no clue about cars period. The tc is not a race car in any trim from 200-300whp. You guys crack me up! And 99.9% of all the smack talkers and speculators about whimpy or slow cars are the same guys that buy throttle body spaces, ground wire kits and slap on an intake thinking there car can take on the world! Why is it that every ricer I know thinks that cat back and header is what makes a car great and fast. Man must be late or I am drunk but this forum cracks me up. And these posts are not directed at anyone in particular on here, just late night fun facts haha.

Here is a little math for you.

1 will never be greater than 2.
145 will never be greater than 192.
160 will never be greater than 200

Your 150-160 hp of intake and cat back fury will never outrun a boosted tc in any form and they will whipe the floor with you. If you think you will be within a car length of a boosted tc in any form up around 120 mph, either the boosted tc has the cruise control on or you secretly tied a rope from your car to his tow hook and are drafting his car to try to keep up before the rope breaks. Those are the simple facts. Man I give this forum 10 out of 10 skirts up for great reading material.

I hope you guys realize you sound like people I have seen on the mr2 forums, or diamond star forums that think there 2.2 mr2 is almost as fast as a turbo mr2 "man my n/a was within a lenght of that turbo the other day when no one was looking and I was by myself" or a n/a eclipse is almost as fast as a turbo eclipse. Heck there is even people like you "you know who you are" that think there freakin n/a cobalts are "almost as fast" as a sc cobalt *LOL*. If you are one of these people, and you all know who you are... just stop. The rest of the world is laughing at you! Be happy with what you have and do not try to claim it is more than it is. People will respect you more that way. Hell if you have a bone stock tc with a bobble head doll on the dash, you are doing better than the majority of the people on this planet.

Your so right! LMFAO :rofl: That is some funny poop! You made me almost choke on my drink!

I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

IBTL

Assuming you guys are both 5spds (they don't have the S/C for the auto yet, right??? I have no idea). . .

A VERY VERY likely explanation for this scenario was that he did not upshift into the same gear. . . maybe you went for 3rd and he went for 4th. . . of maybe he didn't upshift at all (increased intake/exhaust noise from flooring can often sound like downshifting). Perhaps excessive clutch slip? I dunno, I'll stick with my first one.

:rofl:
I knew it
You guys know i'm right , but don't get offended its ok $4000.00 its a lot for 50 horsepower :loser:
when you can get with $3000.00 about 130 horsepower out of a tubocharger

I been on car bussines for so long i work for acura dealer (as a parts counter) and my brother works for a Toyota scion dealer (as a class A tech) he is the one who install the superchargers on scion and he says and i say supercharger it's too much money

but hey guys take it easy its our personal opinion if you want to spend all that money on the supercharger its your money no mine you're free to do whatever you want with it

I dunno, but if you do it right, you can get the SC installed for $3000... and you get a bit over 50 WHP. Add the pulley (which price is negligible on a $3000 system) and you are adding closer to 80 WHP.

Now, for the same price, you can have a turbo setup that produces more like 100 WHP realistically.

The supercharger is going to be more reliable hands down... that is not really even a topic for argument. It is a much simpler system.

I was feeling the same about the SC until they came out and people started dynoing them. I still like the turbo option a little better, but for the reliability and ease of upgrading the SC is pretty nice.

I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

ok assuming your are really 18, and you witnessed this act, I highly doubt that person had any driving experience being so young.... unless he was some skip barber prodigy. :rofl:

Well he did have someone else in the car so he had extra weight. But it was S/C I saw it.

If you were driving next to him on the highway, how exactly did you "see" the s/c?

why would I make that up?

People make up alot of this on this forum. Like I said before, I'm supercharged and I slaughter you N/A guys without even trying.

:love: I feel the same, i looked at the post and its still hard to believe. wasnt there a speed governor up in the 120's

I guess i dont believe this until i see it.

I dont post much here , but i think the best advice for you is to delete the thread ASAP.

I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

I have seen it too? Your point would be? This has nothing to do with this thread. The crx probably had an engine swap and probably weighed as much as a shopping cart. Power to weight ratio is what will make that happen. It doesn't do anything to prove the scenario we are talking about. We are talking about the same 2 cars. I see N/A v8s kill turbo 4 cylinders all day at the track, does that prove anything? Not in this thread it doesn't. A S/c tc will always destroy a lightly modded N/a tc with equal drivers period. Seems like some of you have to justify not being able to get the supercharger by making it seem less worthy and slower than what it really is.......

A n/a tc can beat a s/c easily, the only problem is you guys don't have the n/a support yet to do that. A few more major n/a goodies and you will be just fine. But just i/h/e, you won't beat a s/c'd t/c.

Of course the s/c'er is over-priced, its TRD. People know that its overpriced before they buy it, they buy it for warranty. However, i do have a slright problem with you tcers calling the s/cer stock. Its not, it never will be so please quit calling it stock.

Stock implys that the motor has zero mods. 2az doesn't come boosted, so don't call a boosted 2az stock. It doesn't matter if it comes from TRD or ZPI, either way boost is boost.

Oh, as for the the original story, well i seriously doubt you even raced. However, i do know that an i/h/e/short shifter and light weight crank pulley on a tC stays with a s/c'd tC through 2nd, and after that the s/c'd tC pulls away pretty hard. But just exhaust, theres no logical way you could ever win if he was actually trying.

This story reminds me of the i/h/e tC "smoking" a STi.

Cya

he definatly was supercharged.. buy that electric one you see in the back of magazines

Just to clear up some stuff. I dont know what gear he went too. I went to 3rd...he could of gone to 4 making him not pull as hard maybe? I saw the S/C because when we got off the high way he stopped and showed me.

that radiator plate adds so much horsepower.

love the boost gagues....


wait... :rofl:

can we lock this thread please, it's pointless, this noob is gonna get bashed hardcore

I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

ok assuming your are really 18, and you witnessed this act, I highly doubt that person had any driving experience being so young.... unless he was some skip barber prodigy. :rofl:

The guys that were racing are in their late 20's and what do you mean if I'm really 18?

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I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

I have seen it too? Your point would be? This has nothing to do with this thread. The crx probably had an engine swap and probably weighed as much as a shopping cart. Power to weight ratio is what will make that happen. It doesn't do anything to prove the scenario we are talking about. We are talking about the same 2 cars. I see N/A v8s kill turbo 4 cylinders all day at the track, does that prove anything? Not in this thread it doesn't. A S/c tc will always destroy a lightly modded N/a tc with equal drivers period. Seems like some of you have to justify not being able to get the supercharger by making it seem less worthy and slower than what it really is.......

I know this had nothing to do with the topic, I just siad it because some people don't believe that a N/A car can beat a S/C or T/C car. (The CRX has the stock engine and yeah it weighs almost nothing.) But anyway I totaly agree with you that a S/C TC will beat a lightly modded N/A TC anyday. Because the N/A TC can't produce the power that a S/C TC can. I like the fact that TRD came out with a S/C for the TC, but I don't like the fact that you only gain 40-50 HP. Thats just me though.

3000 for a turbo kit? ya but what about install? dyno tuning time? comes out to be teh same...

if you can't install a turbo on your own, you seriously need help..

and dyno tunings are NOT expensive.

unless its on a track, with timeslips its not racing, its being stupid...........
next time i hope you go under a semi and kill yourself before you kill someone

unless its on a track, with timeslips its not racing, its being stupid...........
next time i hope you go under a semi and kill yourself before you kill someone

i guess you never saw the fast and the furious...

hes got insane gauges which can allow him to ride underneath a semi!

This is the stupidest thread I've read.

yep....he opened himself up for bashing :)

hopefully a mod will lock this pretty soon.

A n/a tc can beat a s/c easily, the only problem is you guys don't have the n/a support yet to do that. A few more major n/a goodies and you will be just fine. But just i/h/e, you won't beat a s/c'd t/c.



:rofl: :eyebrow: WTF are you talking about kid???? kids now a days.... You contradicted yourself in your last sentence! There is no way in haiti a 'tC with major n/a goodies' will be able to take a SC tC. That is even if you do a port and polish, strip the interior leaving just a driver's seat, or whatever other silly thing you think you could do before ultimately having to boost your car. I/H/E and whatever will never get the whp that a boosted car will get. A stock tC, yes I am calling it a stock tC so bite me kid, won't match a SC tC simply by the fact the injectors are slightly 'slower' then the 410s the SC kit comes with. I wish TRD would of did the 550s (700USD) but they knew that people and ricer children would of definitely taken advantage of it. You add all of your 'major n/a goodies' up to get the power of a SC TRD kit, OMG jee wiz it comes to be about the same costs of just getting a dang SC kit! :ponder: :P

The SC kit gains are 'respectfully minimal' but something is better then nothing. The tC boosted makes the car now more apart of the playing field then turning it into some kind of super compact car like a lotus. We now have respect on the road with passing power then bragging rights that youthfull prided arrogance prefers.

I agree with the 4 threads above me. lol this thread should be totally locked. :blah:

port/polish a tC? lol...oh man...i would like to see this done

unless its on a track, with timeslips its not racing, its being stupid...........
next time i hope you go under a semi and kill yourself before you kill someone

i guess you never saw the fast and the furious...

hes got insane gauges which can allow him to ride underneath a semi!

unfortuantly i saw that movie........i thought that was a documentry?

unless your on a track, your speeding................

unless its on a track, with timeslips its not racing, its being stupid...........
next time i hope you go under a semi and kill yourself before you kill someone

i guess you never saw the fast and the furious...

hes got insane gauges which can allow him to ride underneath a semi!

unfortuantly i saw that movie........i thought that was a documentry?

unless your on a track, your speeding................

:rofl: documentry..... LMAO..hahahaha

yes i agree, no track = speeding :)

A n/a tc can beat a s/c easily, the only problem is you guys don't have the n/a support yet to do that. A few more major n/a goodies and you will be just fine. But just i/h/e, you won't beat a s/c'd t/c.



:rofl: :eyebrow: WTF are you talking about kid???? kids now a days.... You contradicted yourself in your last sentence! There is now way in haiti a 'tC with major n/a goodies' will be able to take a SC tC. That is even if you do a port and polish, strip the interior leaving just a driver's seat, or whatever other silly thing you think you could do before ultimately having to boost your car. I/H/E and whatever will never get the whp that a boosted car will get. A stock tC, yes I am calling it a stock tC so bite me kid, won't match a SC tC simply by the fact the injectors are slightly 'slower' then the 410s the SC kit comes with. I wish TRD would of did the 550s (700USD) but they knew that people and ricer children would of definitely taken advantage of it. You add all of your 'major n/a goodies up to get the power of a SC TRD kit, OMG jee wiz it comes to be about the same costs of just getting a dang SC kit! :ponder: :P

The SC kit gains are 'respectfully minimal' but something is better then nothing. The tC boosted makes the car now more apart of the playing field then turning it into some kind of super compact car like a lotus. We now have respect on the road with passing power then bragging rights that youthfull prided arrogance prefers.

I agree with the 4 threads above me. lol this thread should be totally locked. :blah:

1st i'd like to ask, how did i contradict myself? Beginning of my post i stated that a i/h/e tc will not beat a s/c'd tc. at the end, i said the i/h/e/ss/light weight crank t/c hung with the s/c'd tc until 3rd, but did not win. Please read my post carefully before you insist on calling me out for mistakes.

As for the n/a vs. s/c. Yes, you can beat a trd s/c'd tc with a n/a build up. Lets say you have modified a trd and bumped it up to a max output of 250whp. Very respectable numbers for what you are using.

N/a completely build up i have no doubt in my mind you should see 240-260whp, i give that kind of range because i simply don't know what the 2az can do completely n/a. I do know from experience though with building n/a motors, that it can be done successfully and it can beat a trd s/c without a problem. Yes its expensive, and you are wrong, a n/a build will in the end be more expensive than your $3,000 s/c. Port and polish, i/h/e isn't the only n/a mods you can do. There is a long list of things you can do. So that was a poor example on your part.

If you would like to discuss this further (friendly) than you are welcome to IM me on aim/aol, or PM me but PM's aren't that fun because your inbox fills up too quickly and takes a little bit to get each PM. I'll stop discussing this now since its off the original topic.

Cya

:rofl: :eyebrow: WTF are you talking about kid???? kids now a days.... You contradicted yourself in your last sentence! There is now way in haiti a 'tC with major n/a goodies' will be able to take a SC tC. That is even if you do a port and polish, strip the interior leaving just a driver's seat, or whatever other silly thing you think you could do before ultimately having to boost your car. I/H/E and whatever will never get the whp that a boosted car will get. A stock tC, yes I am calling it a stock tC so bite me kid, won't match a SC tC simply by the fact the injectors are slightly 'slower' then the 410s the SC kit comes with. I wish TRD would of did the 550s (700USD) but they knew that people and ricer children would of definitely taken advantage of it. You add all of your 'major n/a goodies up to get the power of a SC TRD kit, OMG jee wiz it comes to be about the same costs of just getting a dang SC kit! :ponder: :P

The SC kit gains are 'respectfully minimal' but something is better then nothing. The tC boosted makes the car now more apart of the playing field then turning it into some kind of super compact car like a lotus. We now have respect on the road with passing power then bragging rights that youthfull prided arrogance prefers.

I agree with the 4 threads above me. lol this thread should be totally locked. :blah:

1st i'd like to ask, how did i contradict myself? Beginning of my post i stated that a i/h/e tc will not beat a s/c'd tc. at the end, i said the i/h/e/ss/light weight crank t/c hung with the s/c'd tc until 3rd, but did not win. Please read my post carefully before you insist on calling me out for mistakes.

As for the n/a vs. s/c. Yes, you can beat a trd s/c'd tc with a n/a build up. Lets say you have modified a trd and bumped it up to a max output of 250whp. Very respectable numbers for what you are using.

N/a completely build up i have no doubt in my mind you should see 240-260whp, i give that kind of range because i simply don't know what the 2az can do completely n/a. I do know from experience though with building n/a motors, that it can be done successfully and it can beat a trd s/c without a problem. Yes its expensive, and you are wrong, a n/a build will in the end be more expensive than your $3,000 s/c. Port and polish, i/h/e isn't the only n/a mods you can do. There is a long list of things you can do. So that was a poor example on your part.

If you would like to discuss this further (friendly) than you are welcome to IM me on aim/aol, or PM me but PM's aren't that fun because your inbox fills up too quickly and takes a little bit to get each PM. I'll stop discussing this now since its off the original topic.

Cya[/quote]

:rofl: :blah: read your post then my post again. Youth never listens and rarely learns.


List your fantasy N/a major goodies. I need another good laugh. Yeah, Let me spend 10,000k to keep my car natural aspirated. Please.

Would that then be considered Organic modding?

How about you point out what makes that post so contradicting, because i'm not seeing it.

You need a good laugh? What makes you believe just because your boosted means you could own all n/a tc's. You want a list, you got it. However, keep in mind some of the things i list aren't on the market yet but i'm sure there will be. And for the record, i'm not a huge fan of the current 2az so i wouldn't build one to begin with. So this "fantasy" thing isn't exactly true that you point out.

N/a Tc build up:
Stand alone
Regrind cams to a stage two level, or order new cams.
Raise redline to 8,000rpm
Stage three head
11:1 Pistons
Stroke to 2.6l (Mild stroke for the fact you'd want to keep it as street as possible, and logical. Although a standalone would take daily driving features away, you could still drive it on the street without too much of a problem)
Stage two ignition
Stage three clutch kit
Short Shifter
Custom close ratio gearing, can't give an ideal ratio because i'd have to own the car and build the motor for me to give myself an ideal ratio(s).
4-2-1 header
full 2.5'' exhaust from header to muffler. This is a f/i set up, but with the new motor set up it would be ideal vs. 2.25''. Although 2.25'' would do just fine. Either way, you would need to completely redo the exhaust.
Intake
Light weight crank pulley
Rebuild tranny to safely hold new numbers

I could probably go on, but this would cover most of it. If market released all the things here, you would be spending near $9,000+. Now, i notice you make fun of the fact someone like me would even consider a n/a build up since f/i is so much better. In reality, f/i is the easy way out. N/a is more challenging and in my opinion, a lot more respect worthy than a f/i build up. Of course, adding a f/i set up after a n/a build up you would get more whp than before (of course swaping pistons for f/i compression and so forth) but that is not my arguement.

My arguement is, n/a can easily beat the trd s/c. Especially the whimpy 197whp it comes with, give or take a few. You wouldn't need half of what i listed to beat a 200whp boosted tC. 250whp, n/a can still beat. I am willing to say 250-270whp wouldn't be impossible for a n/a 2az to reach. Right now i'd say 250whp because i just don't know how the 2az would react to the set up. I do know the numbers would be pretty high and respectable.

People like you are pretty hilarious. You automatically believe because i'm younger than you, you own me basically and believe everything i say is bs. Age rarely means anything unless you are talking about a 20 year old and a newborn.

The trd s/c is a waste of money to begin with, i wouldn't be surprised if down the road people have issues with the set up. They had lots of issues with the s/c early on. They claim they fixed them, but i don't know. I wouldn't buy TRD anything but thats just me.

Cya

:rofl: thanks for the laugh! What you listed was so not practical or cost effective. Your list of things for a little cheap 4 banger car like this is ridiculous. :P You might as well buy a boxster for that kind of money and save you the time! I still don't think what you even listed would match a SC kit with a smaller pulley. Doing your way of power increase... Now that is a waste of time and money for this little car! :doh:

If you don't know what that big grown up word means, contradiction, look it up on google and then read your original first few sentences. :doh:

Well Mr. kid genius, I could just take out the tC engine all together and shove a bigger engine in it. HAHA even that would take half the money and effort that you listed! lol

Like I said before, give me 2 hours and a few hundred bucks and I would have a noz system that would school your old school setup philosophy of n/a power muhahahaha. My engine would be fried after a few bursts but hey? Isn't that what this thread is about? Being stupid and racing on city streets for no reason?

People, especially kids miss the point all together about this SC kit. IT IS ABOUT THE WARRANTY and reliability issues. Not to burn up your engine and tires in a few thousand miles.

Your way of thinking is right don't get me wrong Mr. MOPAR. Go buy an american car or upgrade to a different vehicle if you want to make all what you listed worth it.

Quit calling me "a kid", your 30, your not an old man yet so don't act like you are so much more wiser and older than i am. I know what the word contradicting means, and im sorry, i wasn't. You talk to me like im a child, yet you are acting childish.

What i said: A n/a tc can easily beat a s/c tC, only issue right now with that statement is the lack of aftermarket support. Therefore, the point of this was stating the following: If you wanted to build a heavily modded n/a 2az, a lot of parts would have to be custom vs. bought on a wide production scale. A n/a can beat a s/c'd tC without a problem with the right mods, not just i/h/e. That is not contradicting in any way, shape or form.

Some tuners like the thrill of building motors, f/i route or n/a route. Apparently, you don't understand why someone would want to spend the money and build a motor and be proud of what they've accomplished.

Yes, the thrill of the TRD s/c is the warranty. However, you swap pulleys are your warranty claim is now lost on the s/cer. Thats not a valid arguement, you want to keep your warranty, you have to keep the the s/cer how it is not start modifying it for more whp.

Your points with "nos" and racing on the street has nothing to do with what i have been talking about. I autocross and road course on the tracks, not the street. Having "nos" on a motor doesn't prove anything, except you are missing everything i am saying. That, and you are a retard for putting spray stock motor. If you have that much "nos" running through your stock motor, you will "fry" it the first time out, if not the first by the first three times. What does that prove?

Infact, if you are going to be talking down about building motors, whats the point in doing anything to a car? You talk about how if i want everything to be worth it, buy a different car or motor. So, why don't you take your own advice and buy a different car to supercharge, it will make your $3,000 more worth doing in the first place.

You tell me im contradicting in my words, but you are the one whos confusing. You put down the whole idea of building a n/a motor, spending thousands on performance parts on a car thats "not worth it". Yet, at the same time you have spent $3,000 on a supercharger that delivers 200whp, on a car/motor thats apparently not worth building in your mind.

And incase that was confusing for you, my point to that was: You say its not worth doing anything to a car/motor, yet you do it anyway. And, not to mention, the only excuse you gave for the TRD is warranty? Very valid to spend $3,000 :rofl:

I think im done with this, i can't have a valid debate with someone that has a one track mind and believes everything they say to be the only way.

Have fun with your trd s/cer on your tC.

Cya

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lock it

I think im done with this, i can't have a valid debate with someone that has a one track mind and believes everything they say to be the only way.



lmao! took my words right out of my keyboard!


I love how if you call a kid a kid they get all hot about it lmao! I'm just fooking with you, grow up.... kid. haha

The point with my outrageous statements was to demonstrate your outlandish ideas about a n/a car beating a SC set up... IN THIS CAR. Sure you can beat a TRD kit in alot of ways, it just doesn't always make the best sense in doing so. Even if you had the money, I'd unload the tC and grap a G35c.


Little teenyboy, it is ok. Breath. What you said was right, just not as practical or cost effective for this car unless you are sponsored or have the dough to do so.

You've auto xed? lol rrrright. Lets swap video.


Putting a smaller pulley on a car with no tamper proof cap *erhm* will not void your warranty. Atleast at my dealership :wink:

/thread


lock it

I second that, on topic post got out of hand and slightly off topic posts are pointless to the thread to begin with.

Cya

Even if you had the money, I'd unload the tC and grap a G35c.

Why didnt you just buy a G35 in the first place

I think im done with this, i can't have a valid debate with someone that has a one track mind and believes everything they say to be the only way.



lmao! took my words right out of my keyboard!


I love how if you call a kid a kid they get all hot about it lmao! I'm just fooking with you, grow up.... kid. haha

The point with my outrageous statements was to demonstrate your outlandish ideas about a n/a car beating a SC set up... IN THIS CAR. Sure you can beat a TRD kit in alot of ways, it just doesn't always make the best sense in doing so. Even if you had the money, I'd unload the tC and grap a G35c.


Little teenyboy, it is ok. Breath. What you said was right, just not as practical or cost effective for this car unless you are sponsored or have the dough to do so.

You've auto xed? lol rrrright. Lets swap video.


Putting a smaller pulley on a car with no tamper proof cap *erhm* will not void your warranty. Atleast at my dealership :wink:

You want proof, where do you live currently, if you are near by i will drive to the next autox in your area. It will be fun. As for vids, i don't have any. This coming spring once i finish up a few things i plan on having a interior-cam set up and have somebody video me during my autox runs. Sorry thats so hard to believe, but i feel i don't need to prove anything. People on the board that actually know me and met me, know what i do and know what i'm about.

G35 remark? Makes absolutely no sense. No matter what car you have, no matter what mods you have, there is going to be a faster car. Thats not what building a car and building a motor is all about in my opinion. Its about challenging yourself and having fun with your projects. Its about giving yourself the room to be creative, yet at the same time something productive to pass time by with. And yes, theres always bragging rights with friends or shows if you build a show car. Point is, what does a G35 have to do with anything?

I never said that building a heavily modified n/a or f/i for that matter was cheap. To some, just buying a trd s/cer isn't cheap. But if you have the money, you have fun with your car(s) correct? If someone wanted to go with my ideas and build a n/a tC, don't flame them for spending the money. You should say congrats for their hard work and challenging defeats.

You know, you go from saying theres no way a n/a can beat the trd s/cer, then you basically say it could be possible but costly, then you say it can be done in many ways but again, costly. Since when did our discussion include a $$$ limit. It never did. By the way, i wasn't upset or "hot" about you calling me kid, but in the context you used it in it made it sound like you knew more than i did because i'm younger. Thats why i said something.

Sorry i don't have any vids to date of my autocrossing, it sucks to be in your position and disbelieve what i do. But thats okay, if you are on scionlife this time next year i will have tons of videos for your viewing pleasure.

Cya

rofl this is a funny post people get into a bf for the S/C rofl...THE S/C makes u a .5 wopping 1.second faster than a N/a eclipse...i saw the video where thS/c tc vs the N/a Tc and...what can i say the proof is there people

rofl this is a funny post people get into a bf for the S/C rofl...THE S/C makes u a .5 wopping 1.second faster than a N/a eclipse...i saw the video where thS/c tc vs the N/a Tc and...what can i say the proof is there people

lol, whos upset? i'm not, im just having a debate. not to mention, i have said numerous times the trd s/cer isn't worth it IMO.

cya

All I have to say after reading this post "and I am not even drunk now" is that anyone in the tuner world that talks about everything as a stage 2, 3 or 47 for crying out loud has 0 knowledge of cars and must be a stage 5 magazine reader *LOL* Man kids, and yes a 19 year old is a kid to even me and I am 25.

All I have to say after reading this post "and I am not even drunk now" is that anyone in the tuner world that talks about everything as a stage 2, 3 or 47 for crying out loud has 0 knowledge of cars and must be a stage 5 magazine reader *LOL* Man kids, and yes a 19 year old is a kid to even me and I am 25.

So, let me get this straight. Because i have refered to a few things has stages i have zero knowledge? Okay, well first off i refer to these certain upgrades as stages because it seems most people can follow it better than if i were to get technical.

Also, my experience speaks for itself. I missed the part where i said i wasn't a kid. And technically, if you live on your own your a young adult at 19. But, i won't get into that because either way it doesn't matter.

I can also say, people on the boards that have to take the time to devote a post mostly on the fact of how someone refers to things, probably has no time on their hands. There, we are even. :P

Cya

wow thats alot of reading lol. well the point is there are not enough n/a mods out there AS OF RIGHT NOW to beat a s/c tc. the only n/a mods we hav out there are i/h/e, a zpi head, and emanage (if that counts). mayb im forgetting about one or two things but it still wont be enough to beat a s/c tc (evenly matched drivers). lets jus leav it at that guys

wow thats alot of reading lol. well the point is there are not enough n/a mods out there AS OF RIGHT NOW to beat a s/c tc. the only n/a mods we hav out there are i/h/e, a zpi head, and emanage (if that counts). mayb im forgetting about one or two things but it still wont be enough to beat a s/c tc (evenly matched drivers). lets jus leav it at that guys

Thats true, but you can always go custom for parts and have shops/companies build you the parts you need, so technically the parts are out there if you want them to be. But, yeah. I said that before, that the parts aren't available right now. They will be though.

Cya

Nothing is impossible. An added 50hp is good, but not like its unbeatable neither with bolt on mods. I've seen a Scion xB turbocharged take on a 2005 Accord V6....and whooped the pants off of it. Accords have ~200hp. I'm sure it mostly depends on the driver. I'm not gonna say this kid is lying, cause I wasnt there to see what happened. It is pretty hard to believe, but I have beaten a Jetta 2.0T Bora. Not by much, but did.

If any one is up for comparing a NA tC to a S/C tC, I will be up for that. My car will just have all bolt on mods come this spring/summer. I race at Rockfalls raceway in WI. So if you want to get together let me know, and I know I seen someone offering on here willing to race.

I'm looking to S/C mine, but it wont happen for awhile. I'd like to see how it performs, so racing one I think would give me the best idea.

My parts list for this spring: (havent figured out which manufactures I'm gonna go with yet on everything, so I'll just list the parts).

-CAI
-Exhaust
-Motor mounts
-Header
-S pipe
-LSD (when released)
-Throttle body
-Lightened flywheel
-Stage 2 clutch
-Underdrive pulley
-Ignition equalizer
-Plug wires
-Cam-com
-Short Shifter (have b&m right now, but way to sloppy)
-Progressive Coilovers
-18" lightened rims
-CF hood
-CF racing seat (only one, taking the other seat out for autocross)
-ZPI head package - stage 1 (not 100% sure on this part yet)

I listed anything that would affect the race. Most these parts will be installed, but not sure about all of them. Just trying to get my tC setup for autocross. But, anyway, if you feel like racing and want to see if the S/C is just as good as these mods let me know. Like I said, I want to see what the S/C is capable of, not to prove anyone on this forum wrong. Later!

You want proof, where do you live currently, if you are near by i will drive to the next autox in your area. It will be fun. As for vids, i don't have any. This coming spring once i finish up a few things i plan on having a interior-cam set up and have somebody video me during my autox runs. Sorry thats so hard to believe, but i feel i don't need to prove anything. People on the board that actually know me and met me, know what i do and know what i'm about.

G35 remark? Makes absolutely no sense. No matter what car you have, no matter what mods you have, there is going to be a faster car. Thats not what building a car and building a motor is all about in my opinion. Its about challenging yourself and having fun with your projects. Its about giving yourself the room to be creative, yet at the same time something productive to pass time by with. And yes, theres always bragging rights with friends or shows if you build a show car. Point is, what does a G35 have to do with anything?

I never said that building a heavily modified n/a or f/i for that matter was cheap. To some, just buying a trd s/cer isn't cheap. But if you have the money, you have fun with your car(s) correct? If someone wanted to go with my ideas and build a n/a tC, don't flame them for spending the money. You should say congrats for their hard work and challenging defeats.

You know, you go from saying theres no way a n/a can beat the trd s/cer, then you basically say it could be possible but costly, then you say it can be done in many ways but again, costly. Since when did our discussion include a $$$ limit. It never did. By the way, i wasn't upset or "hot" about you calling me kid, but in the context you used it in it made it sound like you knew more than i did because i'm younger. Thats why i said something.

Sorry i don't have any vids to date of my autocrossing, it sucks to be in your position and disbelieve what i do. But thats okay, if you are on scionlife this time next year i will have tons of videos for your viewing pleasure.

Cya

omfg lmao you need to quit while your ahead... EVERYTHING you have said in ALL your post is about money and how the TRD SC kit is not worth the dinero. :loser:

The G35c comment was just an example. Get your head out of your .... and learn to comprehend analogies.


ok get the last word in kid, children usually have to lol. :yawn: I am done with this tangent. Your antics are boring. Now back on topic: In no way can a stock tC with the listed mods from this thread creator beat a SCed tC. period.

peace

Never Happened.

anyone have time slips or vids of sc tc?

I ran a 9.9 in the 1/8th compelety stock!!!! That means I can take a s/c tc with ease!!!! (comparing to the vid of a s/c running mid 10's in the 1/8th)



Sorry, couldn't help it!! :rofl:

pfft, i ran a 9.8 :rofl:

You want proof, where do you live currently, if you are near by i will drive to the next autox in your area. It will be fun. As for vids, i don't have any. This coming spring once i finish up a few things i plan on having a interior-cam set up and have somebody video me during my autox runs. Sorry thats so hard to believe, but i feel i don't need to prove anything. People on the board that actually know me and met me, know what i do and know what i'm about.

G35 remark? Makes absolutely no sense. No matter what car you have, no matter what mods you have, there is going to be a faster car. Thats not what building a car and building a motor is all about in my opinion. Its about challenging yourself and having fun with your projects. Its about giving yourself the room to be creative, yet at the same time something productive to pass time by with. And yes, theres always bragging rights with friends or shows if you build a show car. Point is, what does a G35 have to do with anything?

I never said that building a heavily modified n/a or f/i for that matter was cheap. To some, just buying a trd s/cer isn't cheap. But if you have the money, you have fun with your car(s) correct? If someone wanted to go with my ideas and build a n/a tC, don't flame them for spending the money. You should say congrats for their hard work and challenging defeats.

You know, you go from saying theres no way a n/a can beat the trd s/cer, then you basically say it could be possible but costly, then you say it can be done in many ways but again, costly. Since when did our discussion include a $$$ limit. It never did. By the way, i wasn't upset or "hot" about you calling me kid, but in the context you used it in it made it sound like you knew more than i did because i'm younger. Thats why i said something.

Sorry i don't have any vids to date of my autocrossing, it sucks to be in your position and disbelieve what i do. But thats okay, if you are on scionlife this time next year i will have tons of videos for your viewing pleasure.

Cya

omfg lmao you need to quit while your ahead... EVERYTHING you have said in ALL your post is about money and how the TRD SC kit is not worth the dinero. :loser:

The G35c comment was just an example. Get your head out of your .... and learn to comprehend analogies.


ok get the last word in kid, children usually have to lol. :yawn: I am done with this tangent. Your antics are boring. Now back on topic: In no way can a stock tC with the listed mods from this thread creator beat a SCed tC. period.

peace

You have also brought up money, you said with the n/a it wouldn't be worth the money you spend for the car its going in.

I don't need the last word, i just feel to comment on people that are incorrect and try to educate others. But that appears to be impossible with you.

For someone that is thirty years old, you sure do act immature on many levels. I have been attempting to have a friendly debate over our disagreements but you continue to put me down, and for what? You are on a forum, theres no reason for you to talk down to anyone. This is a friendly community, suppose to be anyway.

With the mods i listed, you can beat a s/ced tC. With current available parts, no, you are right you can't. However, a n/a with all current n/a mods available can hang up to a certain point. I have seen it first hand, but before you get my words mixed up i never said the n/a beat the f/i, he just simply hung up till 3rd.

Back on topic: We all know he couldn't have hung with him to 120mph on a roll with his mods, so drop it, lock it and move on.

Cya

Nothing is impossible. An added 50hp is good, but not like its unbeatable neither with bolt on mods. I've seen a Scion xB turbocharged take on a 2005 Accord V6....and whooped the pants off of it. Accords have ~200hp. I'm sure it mostly depends on the driver. I'm not gonna say this kid is lying, cause I wasnt there to see what happened. It is pretty hard to believe, but I have beaten a Jetta 2.0T Bora. Not by much, but did.

The xb is light weight, and very underestimated especially in autocross. I don't know if i'd believe he beat an accord v6, but it depends on the whp he was putting out, any weight reduction so on. 140whp for the xb is alot, its not an impressive number but its a number that makes the xb pretty fast. Not saying thats the number this guy had, just throwing out an example.

Cya

I hate to break it to you guys, but I have the biggest e-peni$ around these parts

IBTL

I hate to break it to you guys, but I have the biggest e-peni$ around these parts

IBTL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thats a great icebreaker.

Cya

Well in whatever case, I think I'll get the last word in.

A n/a tc can beat a s/c easily, the only problem is you guys don't have the n/a support yet to do that. A few more major n/a goodies and you will be just fine. But just i/h/e, you won't beat a s/c'd t/c.


I/H/E and whatever will never get the whp that a boosted car will get.

Please read the above bolded words.

A stock tC, yes I am calling it a stock tC so bite me kid, won't match a SC tC simply by the fact the injectors are slightly 'slower' then the 410s the SC kit comes with. I wish TRD would of did the 550s (700USD) but they knew that people and ricer children would of definitely taken advantage of it. You add all of your 'major n/a goodies' up to get the power of a SC TRD kit, OMG jee wiz it comes to be about the same costs of just getting a dang SC kit!

just i/h/e, you won't beat a s/c'd t/c.

Also, nowhere in killerxromances' post above mentions anything about a price cap on the NA build. He did say that the TRD s/c is not worth the money but he NEVER says the NA build is worth it either. He simply says it's possible which I must point out, you agree with:

Your way of thinking is right don't get me wrong Mr. MOPAR. Go buy an american car or upgrade to a different vehicle if you want to make all what you listed worth it.
AND:
The point with my outrageous statements was to demonstrate your outlandish ideas about a n/a car beating a SC set up... IN THIS CAR. Sure you can beat a TRD kit in alot of ways, it just doesn't always make the best sense in doing so. Even if you had the money, I'd unload the tC and grap a G35c.

Which, btw, we all agree on..

AND:
Little teenyboy, it is ok. Breath. What you said was right, just not as practical or cost effective for this car unless you are sponsored or have the dough to do so.
What you listed was so not practical or cost effective. Your list of things for a little cheap 4 banger car like this is ridiculous. You might as well buy a boxster for that kind of money and save you the time! I still don't think what you even listed would match a SC kit with a smaller pulley. Doing your way of power increase... Now that is a waste of time and money for this little car!

The implication of course is that that list of mods will allow a tC to beat a tC sc w/o a smaller pulley. Also, your argument of course, is that the TRD unit is to retain warranty. Warranty would get thrown right out of the window if said pulley were to be applied.

Now, certainly the same warranty would get voided in every way shape and form if the mentioned NA mods were applied but that is not precisely the point. The argument at hand, that I think you keep forgetting, is that an NA tC would never be able to beat an SC tC. The tC at the beginning of this thread has no real performance mods yet claims to have hung with a SC tC.

Would your opinion change if the tC also had an intake? Would you believe he was able to hang with the SC tC if his tC had an intake and exhaust?

Keeping in mind the SC tC had only the supercharger, would your opinion change if the tC also had a header in addition to that? Would you believe the guy at the beginning would be able to hang with the SC tC (with JUST the SC) if he also had a header to accompany the intake and exhaust?

Would your opinion change if the tC also had an s pipe to boot?

Lightened underdrive crank pulley?

Lightened flywheel?

Full port and polish head?

2.5l cylinder hone?

Standalone EMS? LSD? Motor mounts? fully stripped interior? Cams? Pistons?



Do you see my point now? It's the same point that killerxromances was making. If you don't see my point, Mr. Knowledgeable Grown Up Man, then you are hard pressed to be able to legitimately claim wisened maturity over the 19 year old youth.

Just to make sure that point isn't loss in your (I'm sure) senile head of an aged man of a venerable 30, the point is that with all of the aforementioned mods, the guy at the beginning of the thread would probably have beaten the guy with the SC.

You might, and probably will, claim that there's no point in doing the NA build if it'll cost more than FI. I'm going to claim that NO ONE HAS DISAGREED THUSFAR.

There's also that the NA tC has lost warranty whilst the SC tC still retains it or some other argument that's loosely related. Well, that's not the point. The point is simply and also, restricted to the fact that it is POSSIBLE for a NA tC to be able to beat a SC tC. They do not have to be equally modded - the only ramifications are that one tC is supercharged whilst the other is naturally aspirated.

In anycase,

Like I said before, give me 2 hours and a few hundred bucks and I would have a noz system that would school your old school setup philosophy of n/a power muhahahaha. My engine would be fried after a few bursts but hey? Isn't that what this thread is about? Being stupid and racing on city streets for no reason?

I see your point here. I'd also like to point out a few more hundred bucks, coming to a grand total of less than the above NA build, you'd have a reliable sprayed engine that would also beat the SC tC, muchless, the NA tC.

That said, your point, as I see it, forgive me if I don't get your point because you're a few years my senior, makes absolutely no difference in this "debate." We're not looking for the most practical speed maker here, we're only looking at whether or not a NA tC would be able to defeat a SC tC in a race.

Putting a smaller pulley on a car with no tamper proof cap *erhm* will not void your warranty. Atleast at my dealership

Good for you, your dealership is ONE OF FEW. The tamper proof cap is there for a reason and technically speaking, it should void warranty. Just because you can get away with it does not mean everyone can get away with it at every dealership. If it's not universally true, it can hardly be used for your argument which is a pretty encompassing argument. Your argument can, as I see it, is stated below:

Warranty for warranty, the statement that a SC tC will ALWAYS beat an NA tC is true. All else equal, anyone who disagrees is simply a moron.

We all agree on this, in fact,
People, especially kids miss the point all together about this SC kit. IT IS ABOUT THE WARRANTY and reliability issues. Not to burn up your engine and tires in a few thousand miles.
Once the warranty comes off, the statement MUST CHANGE TO:

a SC tC will IN MOST CASES beat an NA tC - all else, other than engine, held equal.

Moving on,
omfg lmao you need to quit while your ahead... EVERYTHING you have said in ALL your post is about money and how the TRD SC kit is not worth the dinero.
This displays your one track mind. Forgive the imprecision in my language, what "this" refers to is a little difficult to pinpoint. The primary indicator, I feel, is that you believe that if one thing is true, the polar opposite is therefore not true.

If you don't understand what I'm trying to say, I will use analogies.

You think that, since 1+1=2, 1-1 can NOT =2. And in most cases, such thinking is true.

Now consider,

All fractions are real numbers.

By your thinking, it would then be true that if a number is not a fraction, it is, therefore, not a real number.

Don't understand the analogy?
learn to comprehend analogies.
Now, killerxromances said that the TRD supercharger is not worth the money. You then think that killerxromances believes that if it's not the TRD supercharger, it's worth it. That is simply not the case, as you know and have argued, but that is also not the case killerxromances is arguing:
A n/a tc can easily beat a s/c tC
IF
A few more major n/a goodieswere to be added.

Which, again, I must point out, you agree.



I dare you to tell me you disagree and to point out where I am wrong and prove that my answer was not explicitly held within this post.

There are those who will avoid explicit proof and simply say that they are right and leave it at that. I will show the progress of your argument:

There is no way in haiti a 'tC with major n/a goodies' will be able to take a SC tC.
A stock tC, yes I am calling it a stock tC so bite me kid, won't match a SC tC (duhh... :loser: )
The SC kit gains are 'respectfully minimal' but something is better then nothing. The tC boosted makes the car now more apart of the playing field(makes the tC a part of not "apart" of - in that case, it'd be "apart from" which means separated from. If you wish to invoke your age and maturity, please realize that your 11th grade grammar - although I applaud you for not having 9th grade grammar - connotes your immaturity and uncertain grasp of English. But anyways,
Youth never listens and rarely learns. Obviously you never listened to yourself or else you'd have your argument straight and nor have you learned English all that well. Grammar has little to do with this discussion but neither does youth. I just find it necessary to disprove all your assertions.
People, especially kids miss the point all together about this SC kit. IT IS ABOUT THE WARRANTY and reliability issues. Not to burn up your engine and tires in a few thousand miles. Your way of thinking is right don't get me wrong Sure you can beat a TRD kit in alot of ways, it just doesn't always make the best sense in doing so.



I apologize for being a little abrasive, it must be my haughty youth because I'm not quite 30 years old yet. Motozen, this IS a bit of an attack launched directly at you but do bear in mind you have launched several attacks on killerxromances. desertheat came to join in and agree with you that killerxromances' 19 years of age is a sign of youthful ignorance - I felt it only right that at least someone come to the aid of killerxromances. Again, I apologize for not being born in 1975. I don't expect you to reply because your age prevents you from getting the last word but I do hope you read this and in some way, own up to the fact that you're wrong. I invite you to tell me that I'm wrong and if your point makes sense, I'll gladly concede. Admittedly, my ePenis is somewhat lacking in size so I have no reservations about conceding a point in which I am completely wrong.

But in anycase, I have one last series of words for you.. from you in fact,
Well Mr. kid genius, read your post then my post again. omfg lmao you need to quit while your ahead. Get your head out of your ....

People miss the point all together

grow up.... kid. haha

DAMN.... ^^^ You got it good man. I felt the same way as you did. And I HAVE a S/C'd tC.. I will put MONEY down that someone with an NA tC will mod it to be faster than a S/C'd tC..

2.5l cylinder hone?

1. Honing is removing all the high spots on the cylinder so the piston rings will sit more flush against the cylinder wall, b/c the piston rings ride on the cylinder wall, the piston does not

2. You can NOT bore/hone the 2AZ-FE Engine Block

3. It would be really pointless to be a Port/Polished Head being you can not Bore/Hone the engine ( the ports would be off )

4. You CAN install bigger compression pistons (11:1 would be adivsed )

Good Night. Got School in the AM.


edit - *note* it would be really stupid to do a N/A tC setup...lol...better off getting boost.

2.5l cylinder hone?

1. Honing is removing all the high spots on the cylinder so the piston rings will sit more flush against the cylinder wall, b/c the piston rings ride on the cylinder wall, the piston does not

2. You can NOT bore/hone the 2AZ-FE Engine Block

3. It would be really pointless to be a Port/Polished Head being you can not Bore/Hone the engine ( the ports would be off )

4. You CAN install bigger compression pistons (11:1 would be adivsed )

Good Night. Got School in the AM.


edit - *note* it would be really stupid to do a N/A tC setup...lol...better off getting boost.

I'm pretty sure your 11:1 advise would be for a n/a build up and not a f/i. F/i would be better with 8:5:1, or lower compression than 11:1 in general. lol I personally don't think a n/a build up would be a total loss on a 2az, obviously the 2az responds well to turbos. But, my last car (gs-r) i built n/a, so far with my box its n/a, so i suppose its more of a comfort/more knowledge thing. I know enough about f/i set ups from helping friends, but i don't know. One thing is for sure, unless you have some ridiculous f/i set up n/a is going to be more expensive.

To each their own. Both have pros and cons, thats for sure.

kungpaosamuraiii - Thank you for clearing up my information. I thought i was clear enough, but i guess sometimes you just have to break it down word for word.

Cya

so much talk, so little know how here...

all u rice boys that keep trying to prove each other wrong have to say.....The TC SC is expensive add on for so little power but to each their own....on the the race, a TC na vs a TC SC we all know the SC should win but if the best time a SC can pull is a 14.6 and a fully modded NA can pull low 15s if the SC driver mess's up or doesnt know how to use his car then the NA can win, but shouldnt....and thats my 2 cents

There is entirely too much animosity going on here. First... motozen, you constantly try to bash on others when you are acting like a 12 year old.. and have shoved your foot so far down your throat when it comes to automotive knowledge on this site that you should go a little lighter on people.


And I love the rice boy comment. That is a typical child throwing a buzz word in as an insult. It doesnt even fit in here. And it is coming from a person who NEVER gives any real knowledgeable info that I can see and uses most posts to make un-intelligent attacks... again, childish. Sure, some people may not know as much, but a lot of people on here really know thier sh!t, and many others are very willing to learn something here and there. The generalization is just stupid.

I dont see why people cant disagree about something and have a discussion without turning to the little kiddy insults. The first thing that does is kill the conversation, the second thing it does is completely ruin your credibility as far as knowledge goes. Who is going to take anything you say seriously when you throw in insults every other word and try to act like you know it all? Hint: I dont think anyone on here knows it all, so there is always someone who will know when you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

A better use of this post would have been a discussion of how the SC can be made better and some good discussion about making better NA power. And guess what? Grown ups (especially those with any usable intelligence) should be able to disagree without the name calling.

back to the orginal post.. ya know, i have the easiest time believing this post.. the S/C tC's are not fast. i saw my one just yesterday get spanked by a civic hatch back with a b-18
i also got to ride in one for the first time, and was not impressed at all. there was no kick, no pull in the car.. i dunno, maybe im just used to the kick with the turbo in my tc. but ultimately, was not impressed, and BELIEVE that it could be done.. just my $0.02

There is entirely too much animosity going on here. First... motozen, you constantly try to bash on others when you are acting like a 12 year old.. and have shoved your foot so far down your throat when it comes to automotive knowledge on this site that you should go a little lighter on people.


And I love the rice boy comment. That is a typical child throwing a buzz word in as an insult. It doesnt even fit in here. And it is coming from a person who NEVER gives any real knowledgeable info that I can see and uses most posts to make un-intelligent attacks... again, childish. Sure, some people may not know as much, but a lot of people on here really know thier sh!t, and many others are very willing to learn something here and there. The generalization is just stupid.

I dont see why people cant disagree about something and have a discussion without turning to the little kiddy insults. The first thing that does is kill the conversation, the second thing it does is completely ruin your credibility as far as knowledge goes. Who is going to take anything you say seriously when you throw in insults every other word and try to act like you know it all? Hint: I dont think anyone on here knows it all, so there is always someone who will know when you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

A better use of this post would have been a discussion of how the SC can be made better and some good discussion about making better NA power. And guess what? Grown ups (especially those with any usable intelligence) should be able to disagree without the name calling.

:bow: Practice what you preach oh mighty one. :blah:

I have given many posts that have been very helpful on this site so I am not worried about my credibility. My last advice being the most important; the bosch 110 bpv replacement.
If people can't handle my way of kidding around, even with words, oh well to you. I don't care, I think it is funny. I don't see this as a place of debate but opinions. Opinions vary and just because it doesn't meet a few peoples standards... Tough titty said the kitty when the milk went dry lol.

I totally agreed with that youngpup from the get go. Just not the practicality of coming into a thread saying something so bold as a n/s tC would kill a SC tC. The kid didn't even list new injectors in his fantasy list of amazingly fast and most powerful setup! Whatever, if you don't like it, don't read it. And I still don't think what he listed would exceed a SC. :ponder:

If you know me outside of this forum, you would totally read my posts and know I am just bustin' balls with no harm intended. It's not my fault or problem if you read it and understand it otherwise. I can't believe some peeps would waste so much of their life breaking down my posts to respond lol! :bow: I didn't know I was so important and popular!

peace and love now go eat a cookie.

He did say that they started pulling at 75mph.. 75-120mph should be around 10 seconds. If you want to see how much powerful sc is.. go for 0-100.. not when it is high geared. I dont think it will make that much difference. My friend has semi sti (wrx with 2.5 engine block) and I can keep up with him once we are 75+ mph but there is no way I can keep up with him at low gear.

yea, thats exactly what i was thinking. and is why i do agree with the poster that he kept up.

^^ My friend has a wrx too. The reason it dies out at 75+ is awd, it keeps distributing th epower and a lot of it gets lot. Two of my friends have awd cars and both say the same things awd is awesome at starts but on highways they simply die out. Awd is best when it has 300+hp as i have understood from articles about awd(something that intersts me) below those number awd dies out at higher speed and traction isnt as big of an advantage over other drive trains, however get to high hp numbers(300+is high in my opinion I know its no race car) and awd gains traction advantage ove other drivetrains even rwd.

Motozen, your answer to everyone you ____ off or to someone who calls you out. is that you were "kidding". And practice what I preach? I dont go around mouthing and namecalling over a simple disagreement. When I said it was childish, it wasnt because someone didnt agree with me.. it was because they were acting like a child!

I fail to see how your mouthyness above could in any way be taken as "kidding" from anyone reading it.

It is a simple point I make... discuss without being a$$es to each other. And if you are an a$$ to someone expect the same in return.

I dont go around mouthing and namecalling over a simple disagreement.

yeah you do lol

I was bustin' balls, 'kidding' around was a pun. lol
Get a grip, and take my advice... go eat a cookie it will make you feel alllll better. :wink:

:edit: bty fyi I never said anybody was childish. YOU did :rofl: Talk about calling the kettle black, jeez. :lalala:

Motozen;

For the record i do recall at the bottom of that list i made saying i'm sure i have forgot a few things, i could add several things to it now but it really doesn't matter what i do, you'll find something to complain about in your next post.

The 75mph-120mph does make a big difference. However, if you guys read his first post you will notice he says something along the lines of "The s/c'd tC started to pull on me after 120mph."

With that said, that makes little to no sense. How could the s/c tC not pull away at 75mph yet pull away at 120mph? If it had enough power to pull at that speed, it has a enough power to pull away at 75mph.

Thats what makes me seriously doubt his story.

Cya

:group hug: little dood I apologize if you and others can't take me bustin' your balls about your age. LIKE I SAID YOU ARE RIGHT about upgrading certain things. But not practical. A SC is reality for what it is then all the glory of n/a modding. Blowing by someone... they don't have time to care about all the work under the hood, as long as it is working!

PS I don't need to be called out to answer that I was busting balls. I make sure I say with all effort that if anybody has truely hard feelings with my posts that they know I don't mean anything personal by it. I've been on this forum long enough that most understand this. I think clever banter is half the fun talking on a forum! It is funny!

Read the posts, I never insulted your overall knowledge, just the rational theory of surpassing a boosted setup in the real world.

I can feel a pretty nice pull at 65-75mph. I definitely feel a diff. over stock. You jump to 90 pretty easy with the kit.


maybe that SC racer needs to replace his BPV? Leaky boost kills any sensation or rivalry.

I dont go around mouthing and namecalling over a simple disagreement.

yeah you do lol

I was bustin' balls, 'kidding' around was a pun. lol
Get a grip, and take my advice... go eat a cookie it will make you feel alllll better. :wink:

:edit: bty fyi I never said anybody was childish. YOU did :rofl: Talk about calling the kettle black, jeez. :lalala:




ok get the last word in kid, children usually have to lol.


Little teenyboy, it is ok.


Well Mr. kid genius

Just a few from this thread alone to respond to that. And you were even ruder in other aspects. You must forget the things you say right after you say them... but I am sure you have some other excuse as you have always... you wer "kidding", "bustin balls" or didnt mean it that way I am sure. I realize now that you will keep on going "trying" to insult me or whoever else disagrees with you or your method of making points. And please show me some example of when I have resorted to name calling unless someone was just being a pure a-hole to me or the rest of the thread to start with. Better yet, find some others here who think I go around mouthing off and starting trouble. The only appology I have is not paying attention to all your other arguments in the past and even saying anything to you to start with.. because you will continue to argue with me and will go on calling people names and "kidding" with them everytime you dissagree regardless.

your still talking? lol dood..... quit thread jacking, if you have a problem PM me.

Get over yourself Dr. Phil.

peanut anyone?

yes please.

ew nm. I just read your name.

:yawn:

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^^^ you cant even speel right....waist? 400.00? anyway, kid get the supercharger and see if you stay even with a tc.

^^^ you cant even speel right....waist? 400.00? anyway, kid get the supercharger and see if you stay even with a tc.

Does anyone else find this ironic? :doh:

^^^ you cant even speel right....waist? 400.00? anyway, kid get the supercharger and see if you stay even with a tc.

Does anyone else find this ironic? :doh:

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1. Honing is removing all the high spots on the cylinder so the piston rings will sit more flush against the cylinder wall, b/c the piston rings ride on the cylinder wall, the piston does not

Wink. Link (http://www.nittosciontc.com/).

2. You can NOT bore/hone the 2AZ-FE Engine Block

Wink wink.


edit - *note* it would be really stupid to do a N/A tC setup...lol...better off getting boost.

Let's be honest now, is it smart to do anything with an FE head? AKA Toyota's fuel economy head?

If anyone here were smart in the material you value, aforementioned one will be driving a Camaro instead with a fully revised suspension and a turbo and still cost less than a SC tC.

do we get a cookie or a star for reading this whole thread?

1. Honing is removing all the high spots on the cylinder so the piston rings will sit more flush against the cylinder wall, b/c the piston rings ride on the cylinder wall, the piston does not

Wink. Link (http://www.nittosciontc.com/).

2. You can NOT bore/hone the 2AZ-FE Engine Block

Wink wink.


edit - *note* it would be really stupid to do a N/A tC setup...lol...better off getting boost.

Let's be honest now, is it smart to do anything with an FE head? AKA Toyota's fuel economy head?

If anyone here were smart in the material you value, aforementioned one will be driving a Camaro instead with a fully revised suspension and a turbo and still cost less than a SC tC.

Thanks for linking me to the biggest CUSTOM BUILT ENGINE :loser:

keep on track, we are talking about N/A...NOT F/I. :loser:

No, you cannot bore these engines. If you dont believe me, you can call ERL directly and ask them. If you wanted to do a NA or nitrous build up, I see no reason not to go to 11:1 pistons. The heads have very small chambers, however they flow quite well for a stock head. Not honda well, but well none the less.

I believe him..he has a blue tC. Blue cars are faster then j00.

BLUE LIGHTNING!

TURBONATOR!!!!!!!! THATS WHY HE BEAT YOU.. HE HAD THE 100 DOLLAR TURBONATOR!!!!!!!! I THINK ITS LIKE A 300 HP GAIN! YEAH THATS IT 300HP GAIN. ADD 2 TURBONATORS AND HAVE LIKE A THOUSAND HP TC RIGHT? :rofl:

YEAH YOU RACED A S/C TC. NO, HE WASNT RACING. DO THE MATH.

You can touch hone it but because of the way the sleeves are made, you can't take off that much material.

Thanks for linking me to the biggest CUSTOM BUILT ENGINE :loser:

keep on track, we are talking about N/A...NOT F/I. :loser:

No, you cannot bore these engines. If you dont believe me, you can call ERL directly and ask them. If you wanted to do a NA or nitrous build up, I see no reason not to go to 11:1 pistons. The heads have very small chambers, however they flow quite well for a stock head. Not honda well, but well none the less.

That thing packs a 2.6 liter 2AZ. I was skeptical at first about it but I learned they modified the 2AZ that came with the car - that is, resleeved (sorry, I still got the wrong terminology - I don't go to a technical university) and not a block customized from the ground up.

Also, loser, the point was that the engine could be made to have a larger bore. I understand the sleeves make it a little tough to bore - read: impossible - but evidently it's not only plausible, but possible. Actually.. I'd say it's not plausible but somehow plausible.

I said hone at first because I was under the impression that the block had that many imperfections in it it's losing a liter of displacement :silly:

Oh my, aside from the fact that a 2.6 liter 2AZ is possible (unless my information is wrong and the Nitto tC in fact does NOT have a 2AZ..) I have to thank you for pointing that out.

In anycase, I see no reason for you to keep bringing up high compression pistons. I don't disagree; nor have I ever, on high CR pistons.

BCE Head / REV Valvetrain
http://www.jotechracing.com/images/tc25.jpg

Jotech Fully-Built Shortblock
http://www.jotechracing.com/images/tc75.jpg

AEBS Sleeves in Jotech Fully-Built Shortblock
http://www.jotechracing.com/images/tc73.jpg

Keep in mind this is for BOOST Setup...

If you were going to do a N/A Engine, you will be paying Big $$$, and it would be really pointless. Get a Turbo.....or "Supercharger"

Do NOT do a N/A Setup....be a total waste of money, and would probably go through a block trying to set it up

Keep in mind this is an intellectual debate regarding that that is hypothetical.

Do you now agree that a 2.6 2AZ is possible?

Do you agree that by paying ridiculous amounts of $$$ one could create a fully built and tuned NA tC and defeat a SC tC - all else kept equal?

Do we agree?

Keep in mind this is an intellectual debate regarding that that is hypothetical.

Do you now agree that a 2.6 2AZ is possible?

Do you agree that by paying ridiculous amounts of $$$ one could create a fully built and tuned NA tC and defeat a SC tC - all else kept equal?

Do we agree?

If you have the $$$ to do it....HYPOTHETICALLY a N/A tC could defeat a S/C tC.

But for now...a S/C tC > Stock tC

so yes... a 2.6 2AZ IS possible, but who really has the $$$$ to even do it? Noone

Keep in mind this is an intellectual debate regarding that that is hypothetical.

Do you now agree that a 2.6 2AZ is possible?

Do you agree that by paying ridiculous amounts of $$$ one could create a fully built and tuned NA tC and defeat a SC tC - all else kept equal?

Do we agree?

If you have the $$$ to do it....HYPOTHETICALLY a N/A tC could defeat a S/C tC.

But for now...a S/C tC > Stock tC

so yes... a 2.6 2AZ IS possible, but who really has the $$$$ to even do it? Noone

Building a n/a motor is expensive, but its not godly expensive. Obviously more than just buying a f/i kit and calling it a day. But generally speaking, n/a build ups (serious build ups) take a period of time to complete. Its challenging, you run into more problems, but the end result is extremely rewarding in my opinion. In reality, there are only a handful of parts on building a 2az (n/a) that would be extremely expensive.

Cya

BlkSandPrlTurbotC....Why would port/polishing the head be a waste? You said something about 'since the block can't be bored/honed that the ports won't match up'? They won't match up to what?
I know you are in UTI and learning. I am not busting on you, but porting doesn't have anything to do with the bore UNLESS you are dealing with a 2-cycle engine...Just curious, thats all. You can ask your instructor on this one because I would like to know.

BlkSandPrlTurbotC....Why would port/polishing the head be a waste? You said something about 'since the block can't be bored/honed that the ports won't match up'? They won't match up to what?
I know you are in UTI and learning. I am not busting on you, but porting doesn't have anything to do with the bore UNLESS you are dealing with a 2-cycle engine...Just curious, thats all. You can ask your instructor on this one because I would like to know.

I second this. If it wouldn't match, i would like to know why as well.

Cya

BlkSandPrlTurbotC....Why would port/polishing the head be a waste? You said something about 'since the block can't be bored/honed that the ports won't match up'? They won't match up to what?
I know you are in UTI and learning. I am not busting on you, but porting doesn't have anything to do with the bore UNLESS you are dealing with a 2-cycle engine...Just curious, thats all. You can ask your instructor on this one because I would like to know.

yeah i completely mistyped everything, i was thinking way ahead before typing and did not realize what i was typing. you are correct and thank you for correcting me!

just keep in mind, if you do hone our block...you can only take off at MOST
.001 or .002 of an inch. You think wow how much is that? Well take a piece of paper, and slice it in half. That's how much you can hone in our cylinders(sleeves)

Yeah, I know how much .002" is...Half the thickness of a human hair....LOL. I wasn't bashing you, I just thought maybe there was something I didn't know.

Is it possible to re-sleeve the block with a larger sleeve or one that can be bored out? My XRS cylinders were a new type of coating that couldn't be honed or bored. I think it is the same on these, but not sure. It has to do with a coating on the wall itself.

Yeah, I know how much .002" is...Half the thickness of a human hair....LOL. I wasn't bashing you, I just thought maybe there was something I didn't know.

Is it possible to re-sleeve the block with a larger sleeve or one that can be bored out? My XRS cylinders were a new type of coating that couldn't be honed or bored. I think it is the same on these, but not sure. It has to do with a coating on the wall itself.

Ah i didnt take it as bashing bro! lol, im just glad someone caught that! :bow:

it is possible to resleeve the block (see the nitto tc) the only reason why you cant do a lot on ours is because of the material that is made for the stock sleeves in the tC engine. I believe the sleeves they used on the Nitto tC come premade from the company itself to make install much easier, so you do not have to worry about bore/honing them on your own.

OK, thats good to know. I am here to learn too! I don't even own a tC! But that doesn't stop me from trying to learn what I can here and there. Thanks for the time and response!

no prob.

stay away from UTI :P jk..its a good school

If you have the $$$ to do it....HYPOTHETICALLY a N/A tC could defeat a S/C tC.

But for now...a S/C tC > Stock tC

so yes... a 2.6 2AZ IS possible, but who really has the $$$$ to even do it? Noone

Ahh, we agree. :P

maybe it was a misshift....i dunno... if its supercharged.. it whines....

I've seen an All Motor CRX take down a Turbocharged Eclipse by 2 car lengths, it was actually pretty funny because the guy in the Eclipse was talking trash before and after they raced.

Very believable.... throw a K20 in there....or even better, a K24 and add intake header exhaust and and ECU and you're at 210whp and 160+ tq. It doesn't sound like much but a 1991 crx only weighs 2174lbs. an eclipse weighs about 2700lbs. the CRX would need 3 200lb passengers to equal that weight.

funny

holy sh** this is an olld ___ post. BTW supercharged tc's suuuck! lmaoo jp

I have a S/C tc that I am very much tired of (need more power) but I race 3 of my N/A buddies ALL the time from a dig from a roll and never once have they been able to pull ahead of me unless I miss shift :) and they have the basic i/h/e setups so I would have to say either that guy was not S/C or he was playing with you! Sorry buddy!

Resurrecting Old Threads FTL.

the orginal post is now turbocharged w/ a equal lenght manifold!! I dun think he has to worry about ANY superchargers walkin on him lol. He is also a reputable guy, so i don't believe at all that he was lying when he made that old post, might been a sucky driver on the other side for all we know.

maybe the SC wasn't performing as it should. or the dude didn't know how to drive.

who knows

Let this thread Die. It's old. LOL. Have a nice day.

haha....Well Everyone back then thought I was full of it but whatever, But yeah. I dont need to worry about s/cer's anymore :P

Don't judge a S/C tC based off of a 80 to 120mph race....

I still say you're Full of Bull.

Could your N/A tC have kept up with... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arfb4-gRw60
I seriously doubt it.

Seeing what IceNine has achieved, if somebody put the time/money into a full build on a s/c tC it would definitely be a worry to you.

Seeing what IceNine has achieved, if somebody put the time/money into a full build on a s/c tC it would definitely be a worry to you.



Sorry still not worried :ttth: More power to anyone who has or wants to boost with a sc. Turbos can produce so much more power for the money you'll invest.

As for when I was in NA.......get over it. That did happen. It was a one time thing and like someone else said it was prolly a crappy driver who prolly didnt even downshift. Ive driven a s/c tC and it could smoke a na tC anyday if I were the one driving it I know that.

Ok I can respect that, but I still say a fully built s/c tC could put down in excess of 350-400whp, and probably around 300lb tq. Not something to be overlooked.

Die thread Die :gun: can we let this two year old thread die please. There is nothing important on this thread to keep it alive. Have a nice night everyone

Ok I can respect that, but I still say a fully built s/c tC could put down in excess of 350-400whp, and probably around 300lb tq. Not something to be overlooked.

i dun think no one has put 400 whp yet soo when that happens s/c will get a lil more respect.... but anywayz i love my turbocharged tc 8)

I can actually see this as being possible. I raced an s/c auto tc and it barely pulled on me. Not even a whole car length... Racing from a stop or pull, same results...

Die thread Die :gun: can we let this two year old thread die please. There is nothing important on this thread to keep it alive. Have a nice night everyone


Read my mind. Please let this die.

I can actually see this as being possible. I raced an s/c auto tc and it barely pulled on me. Not even a whole car length... Racing from a stop or pull, same results...

stock auto s/c? what shot of n2o were u running at the time?

Actually this tc had exhaust and a 9.5lb pulley. I was running no juice thank you very much :D I actually sold my kit some months ago. Im just running intake, crank pulley, exhaust.

wow no nitrous either? hmm :ponder:. i guess more power to ya? lol. kinda hard to believe though cause i raced an auto w/ intake and exhaust and pull 2 or 3 lengths on him. i was stock s/c setup at the time with header back exhaust. despite the fact auto s/c'd tc's arent impressive at all when compared to the manual or turbo'd counterpart, it's a lot quicker then the lightly modded auto's. btw, i'm still enjoying the SP2 i bought from you :P

Hehe good! Ive since replaced it with a Tanabe Concept G. BTW the car is my girlfriends car and mine was pretty gutted at the time of the race. We both launched at the same time and whatnot so idk maybe it wasnt fully broken in or something... Shes getting the Forge BPV soon so hopefully that makes a good bit of a difference for the her auto. Any tips on how to make it quicker? Pm me! I have some questions~!