Everyone loves to talk about their turbo or SC but what about the NA guys? Has anyone purchased the Stage 1 package from ZPI? I heard it gives like 30 hp, if that is the case then it's a real steal. It cost like $550 plus a core charge of $700 but you get that back so instead of paying 3k for 40 hp you can put down just $1300 and get most of that back and end up with a super reliable motor with a broad powerband. I guess that's the hope/hype. I am sure the guys with Turbos and SCs could also use this head but that's another story. So does anyone have any experience with this?

 

I haven't heard of anyone that bought it actually putting it on yet. Seems like everyone sells it before they get a chance. Surely there is at least one though.

Charles

 

Everyone I know has bought it and sold it... No real charts backing up the gain...

 

why would you buy it and sell it?

 

Cause it looks like a PITA to install and cost a pretty penny to have it installed... everyone runs out of money....

 

We haven't sold a ton of these like we have other things.. and I think it's largely because of the labor required to install, like WeDriveScions said.

We should be installing a couple of these soon, maybe we can get some dyno pulls in..

 

Nice

 

yea, i would def like to see some real #'s though. that was my next addition i was planning on!

 

If you want to make a trip down, we can probably cut you a good deal on the labor..

 

So what type of labor are we talking and how much? Could this be a do it yourself type job? Where are some of the dealers located? Anyone got a list? I live in AZ and was hoping one of the local shops can get it, that way I can have it done here and return the core quickly. Need to see the #s first though. What puzzels me is the turbo looks like a total PITA and people are doing that left and right.

 

If you haven't rebuilt an engine before, it's not a DIY. Not sayingyou couldn't learn, but the question you wanna ask is do I have the tools, downtime, patience, and technical background to understand and finish the job.

I'm hoping I won't be the first, but come Summer I will be doing the 11.1 piston swap, maybe a P+P and cams if they are available or plain feasable with funds. Tuned with a camcon, MMW header, K&N intake, CC full (hiFlo Cat, Borla). Dyno's and a writeup you can all expect.

 

Looks like a head install would run around 500+

Although, that's a rough guess...

 

Hondas are on the cheap side of the spectrum (lego sets) at ab 400, but from what I hear ours is a bit more labor, around 6-700. So if you guess around 550-600 you shouldnt be too shocked.

 

would you be willing cut a deal if i get it and i install and then dyno it? and post up the dyno for everyone?

 

you would probably see more of these out there if they were complete heads so you could just swap them out but i understand they are trying to keep the price reasonable.

 

Agreed, not everybody has the means to swap cams/valves/etc.

Just an FYI, I'll be doing the P+P either with ZPI's (plus a cumbustion chamber polish) or a custom P+P in about a month. I'll make sure to post my rebuild photo's and remarks.

 

I plan on getting the head as soon as they throw in new cams/ gears, then I won't have to go back and replace the components a second time after the initial swap into the P+P'd head.

 

thought the same thing but then again how far away is that??? golden eagel is working on them but they wont be out for a while imo

 

There's another company that's working on FI and NA cams that work with VVT-i. Look for some big updates in the next month or two.

Golden Eagle's cams too work with VVT-i.

Looks like cams are the next frontier for serious competition in the tC world. We can only hope.

BTW, this other company is looking to do a complete head job with valves and springs and the like.

 

You have to drop a name for this company putting out the cams!