haven't heard anything about them for a while. just wondering whats going on. any prices, mass production of these babies yet? hit us camber cravers up with some info on their release. holla

haven't heard anything about them for a while. just wondering whats going on. any prices, mass production of these babies yet? hit us camber cravers up with some info on their release. holla

...ditto...what about the "ScionVan Coilovers System"??? ...dont get me started, Van & M@...you know what im capable of... :wink: :twisted: :wink:

...remember, "Send the Pics..."??? :wink: :wink: :wink:

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I'm concentrating on making rear spacer shims first, since I've determined that way too many people are running high offset wheels which need to be moved out in the back, both for aesthetic reasons, and in the case of wheels that actually scrub the rear suspension beam, for safety reasons. Machine shop is making a prototype piece off a CAD file I gave them as we speak, so full production should start within a week or so. Advantage to the spacer shim vs. a plain wheel spacer is that you won't have to worry about concentricity/hubcentricity or balancing issues, and you will still have full threads on your wheel studs, leading to safer wheel mounting.

Camber shims for the rear will come next, but probably not too soon because, in all honesty, I've yet to see a Scion in the US (other than M@'s) that's needed them. They're used-in addition for looks-to afford you more clearance for the wide, low offset wheels, and I don't think the US is at the point where that's an issue yet.. and I don't mean just with Scions, but in general. But I'll still make these soon after the plain spacer shims...

Good to hear form you again Van!

Will there be width differences like 5mm vs. 15mm like the common wheel spacers?

Would love to get some that would flush out my rears the ET35's are just not close to flush and I think ET25 would still be a little under.

how freakin wide do i need to go in order for camber to look right. as low as my box is now you cant really tell how wide the tires are from behind. i really want them just for the looks, i think its bad ___. i have 17x7 will this not work with camber?

my car is not off camber by very much, and you guys have seen pictures of it 9check my profile if you haven't seen the latest pics). it's over 8 inches lower than stock now and the wheels are not bowed in at all. ok, maybe like 1-2 degrees max in the back when it's all the way down. but not enough to notice tire wear. front is fine. i could definitely use a spacer to get more positive offset in the rear, although i'm not sure if my lug nuts will fit. maybe i just need different lug nuts.

Eric: Your car is dumped!!! great job man.


ncscion:

Based on just a "looks" perspective, I don't think negative camber looks good on an xB until you're running at least a 9" wide wheel in the rear. (It looks like dog doo doo @ 7" wide. Trust me. I temporarily ran with that setup) Take a look at some VIP sites. You'll notice that most of the time, the top of the wheel is flush with the fender while the bottom of the wheel is sticking out past the fender. When you camber a wheel of a lesser width, the top of the wheel will then sink inside the fender...causing it to look like poo poo. And you're really defeating the purpose. Let's not forget that looks aside, the main reason those VIP tuners use negative camber is so they can run *wider* wheels!

Peace,
m@

Camber shims for the rear will come next, but probably not too soon because, in all honesty, I've yet to see a Scion in the US (other than M@'s) that's needed them.

hi im ryan, nice to meet you. :P

i would love to go lower but wont for daily driving purposes, unless i had camber like matts. but thats not gonna happen cuz im selling the 9"ers

yeah! spacer shims!!

i really want to get a set to flush out my mod7's - i think a 5mm spacer in the front and some 10 - 15mm shims in the rear would get the look just right!

keep us posted Van!

- Brian

I've noticed the slight camber on what I believe is stock Beemers and Benzes, yeah, those rides have wide azz wheels and definitely use the camber well. I tend to agree but, would like to see pics of what camber would (or did) look like on a seven inch wide tire. So, Ncscion if you do rock on and definitely show us how it looks!

Would the camber be more appropriate if the tire was stretched on the 7 incher?

M@ what is it like driving wih your degree of camber?

M@/Van what's up with One-Ton, any closer to completion?

Al.Truistic
aB

Eric: Your car is dumped!!! great job man.


ncscion:

Based on just a "looks" perspective, I don't think negative camber looks good on an xB until you're running at least a 9" wide wheel in the rear. (It looks like dog doo doo @ 7" wide. Trust me. I temporarily ran with that setup) Take a look at some VIP sites. You'll notice that most of the time, the top of the wheel is flush with the fender while the bottom of the wheel is sticking out past the fender. When you camber a wheel of a lesser width, the top of the wheel will then sink inside the fender...causing it to look like poo poo. And you're really defeating the purpose. Let's not forget that looks aside, the main reason those VIP tuners use negative camber is so they can run *wider* wheels!

Peace,
m@

M@ what is it like driving wih your degree of camber?

Al.Truistic
aB

Eric: Your car is dumped!!! great job man.


ncscion:

Based on just a "looks" perspective, I don't think negative camber looks good on an xB until you're running at least a 9" wide wheel in the rear. (It looks like dog doo doo @ 7" wide. Trust me. I temporarily ran with that setup) Take a look at some VIP sites. You'll notice that most of the time, the top of the wheel is flush with the fender while the bottom of the wheel is sticking out past the fender. When you camber a wheel of a lesser width, the top of the wheel will then sink inside the fender...causing it to look like poo poo. And you're really defeating the purpose. Let's not forget that looks aside, the main reason those VIP tuners use negative camber is so they can run *wider* wheels!

Peace,
m@


The difference I've noticed is that the rear tires don't rub anymore on bumps. That's a very good thing. In terms of feel, almost no difference at all. The front is where you'll really notice the affects of negative camber. (Especially in turning/cornering)Van and I practically maxed out my front cusco camber plates. That was crazy. Looks incredibly RAD :shock: It's not really good to run camber plates in the front unless you have a coilover setup. Otherwise, wider diameter springs will rub the frame when turning. Not good.

Peace,
m@

so M@ the diameter of my ground control c/o are smaller than stock you think i could use those with the cusco camber plates? also with my semi low offset (25) 17x7 wheels wouldn't it be just right with the space of the shim and camber. are the shims van is making decrease the offset of the wheel in addition to adding camber? that is the reason i thought it might work.

The difference I've noticed is that the rear tires don't rub anymore on bumps. That's a very good thing. In terms of feel, almost no difference at all. The front is where you'll really notice the affects of negative camber. (Especially in turning/cornering)Van and I practically maxed out my front cusco camber plates. That was crazy. Looks incredibly RAD :shock: It's not really good to run camber plates in the front unless you have a coilover setup. Otherwise, wider diameter springs will rub the frame when turning. Not good.

Peace,
m@[/quote]

Van, I would like 10 mm shims please.

Oops, I'm sorry..............................PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too. I need a 10mm

I'm concentrating on making rear spacer shims first, since I've determined that way too many people are running high offset wheels which need to be moved out in the back, both for aesthetic reasons, and in the case of wheels that actually scrub the rear suspension beam, for safety reasons. Machine shop is making a prototype piece off a CAD file I gave them as we speak, so full production should start within a week or so. Advantage to the spacer shim vs. a plain wheel spacer is that you won't have to worry about concentricity/hubcentricity or balancing issues, and you will still have full threads on your wheel studs, leading to safer wheel mounting.

Camber shims for the rear will come next, but probably not too soon because, in all honesty, I've yet to see a Scion in the US (other than M@'s) that's needed them. They're used-in addition for looks-to afford you more clearance for the wide, low offset wheels, and I don't think the US is at the point where that's an issue yet.. and I don't mean just with Scions, but in general. But I'll still make these soon after the plain spacer shims...

Hey Van--i'm going to need a set of camber shims...my wheel is still WAAAAY close to the welded knob on the rear suspension like i described to you, even after doing the mods to them..!!!

Let me know...thanks!

so M@ the diameter of my ground control c/o are smaller than stock you think i could use those with the cusco camber plates? also with my semi low offset (25) 17x7 wheels wouldn't it be just right with the space of the shim and camber. are the shims van is making decrease the offset of the wheel in addition to adding camber? that is the reason i thought it might work.

You could probably run the cusco camber plates in the front, but again... with a 7" wide wheel even with your "relatively" low offset, it won't look that great. I wouldn't recommend running both camber, and spacer shims in the rear. Van would know more about the potential issues with that. You're better off just getting wider wheels with lower offsets.

Peace,
m@

The issue with running camber shims in the rear isn't necessarily a wheel width one, but more a combination of width, and offset. The reason to run camber in these cases is: 1) to get the tire to tuck up inside the fender lip, and 2) for looks! Now there's nothing stopping someone from running rear camber shims with a 7" wide wheel, but from an aesthetic standpoint, if the offset of that wheel places it already inside the fender lip, with camber, the top edge of the tire and wheel will move in even more, giving the rear wheels even more of a sunken in look. What's an even bigger concern though, is that if the wheel is of a high enough offset, cambering might even cause the top edge of the wheel/tire combo to come into contact with the shock and/or inner fenderwell. With that said, I'm now trying to determine the possibility of stacking the plain spacer shim in conjunction with the camber shim, so that people whose wheels aren't already super flush as is (sorry I forgot about you Ryan!) can bring their wheels out, AND then camber them in for that menacing look. Whether this is feasible or not... I'll hopefully find out soon. But in the meantime, it looks like the plain spacer shims are a great alternative for folks wanting to bring their rear wheels out closer to the rear fenders without having to resort to using a wheel spacer.

Here's some pics:
http://www.onetongarage.com/parts/rear_hub_shims/prototype/01.jpg
http://www.onetongarage.com/parts/rear_hub_shims/prototype/02.jpg
http://www.onetongarage.com/parts/rear_hub_shims/prototype/03.jpg

Note the rear wheel is now 10mm more flush with the fender... the black arc of a gap (that allows you to see inside the fenderwell) is reduced, and when viewed from the back, you can see the outer edge of the tire extending just a little bit past the rear bumper lip, giving the car an even wider, lower stance....(gotta keep in mind that ScionJohn's wheels were of relatively low offset already, so the change is more dramatic in person than in pictures)

Hey there Van! So, for the Works that I have will you be making a shim that will help with my rear to flush better, what size would that be? Will they really be able to work without needing longer studs? Thanks!

Van are those shims for sale now? If so I will be ur first customer.

(sorry I forgot about you Ryan!)

hahah no worries, i was just giving you a hard time.

Hey Van, are the shims available now ? I want 13 mm, if you don't make 13mm then I'll take the 10mm :)

here he goes being all discrete again.... you know I'm in for this, it just sucks going a month w/o a full paycheck... but now the rent is paid, the bills is paid, and I's gots money sitting useless in the banks account..

damn even from the pics you can see that the rear is a lot more in line with the front in terms of extension.. or whatever :p

looks good. i should just get huge shims while i run my stock wheels and wait for coilovers to be ready :wink:

Those wheels look sick on there with the shims, what type/size wheels are those and how long do you think till the shims are available.

That is the exact look I was to get on my xB, I have tein s-techs waiting to be installed so I hope I can pull of that look with those and some 18's along with the shims.

Hey Van,

Put me down for a set of 10mm spacers. Any ideas for fixing rear toe yet?

oh yeah.....please? :D

Thanks,
Ken

Those wheels look sick on there with the shims, what type/size wheels are those and how long do you think till the shims are available.

That is the exact look I was to get on my xB, I have tein s-techs waiting to be installed so I hope I can pull of that look with those and some 18's along with the shims.

They look to be 18" Work Euroline FS wheels.

I think that car belongs to ScionJohn...you can PM to find the exacts.

Hey Van and M@! Any update on the spacer shims?

Just checking on the spacers...

Just checking on the spacers...

goto http://www.onetongarage.com/ you can find info there and purchase

definitely hit up van@onetongarage.com

he is real cool guy and knowledgeable person....ive seen the spacer shim in person, high quality stuff :!: :!: :!:

I just emailed him. Is One Ton in the bay area?