There should be navigation!!! :x

this is scion were talking about...not lexus. But you can always add it on later. Who knows, maybe that will be one of the 40+ accesories.

I gotta disagree tc4me, I dont think offering a dvd nav would be so out of place. Mazda does offer one for the 3 and it is in the same segment. I personally think with the particular market segment scion is aiming for and with people expecting more and more for their money these days; seeing some upscale options would seem to me to fit in perfectly with the image and reputation that scion is trying to go for.

Yeah, but for a car thats only about $16.5k, I'm not expecting navigation to be standard. But like I said before, it could possibly be one of the options, but i'm not even expecting that. Who knows.

Agree. This car at its price range does not need NAV and it would not sell that well. On the Mazda 3, think Mazda made a mistake by offering it as two of the Mazda dealers I have talked to are not asking for any Mazda 3 with NAV for their car lots. You have to order it or hope another dealer has it. This car segment is for us with less money who probably want to spend it on other type of accessories with any $ left.

Come on JUNE.....

Kevin

Agree, this is an economy car.

navigation would be cool but i rather not get it from the dealers...

the way i see it this is toyota's shot at the youth market. so we're talking teenagers here. if they need a map, they shouldn't be going there. mommy might ground them. if you follow me.

from another perspective, i agree it would not be cost effective. most people i'd say would forgoe it and if they were really into it, buy some aftermarket setup. and i always prefer the buttons of a radio rather than the touch screen. you can't feel where it is while you drive so you'd have to look away from the road, bad idea.

Just buy the pioneer avnic or whatever. I think it's less than $1800 which is what a dealer would charge you for something much less functional.

tc4me, didnt mean to say for 16.5k that dvd nav would be standard, I meant that offering it as an option wouldnt be a bad idea. As many tuners put in dvd units and etc. I think advertising the tc w/ dvd nav would give it a upscale ambience, but ppl seeing the price will be amazed. It's like with the base altima 2.5 no ac, etc. Nissan only makes a few of these models but they are able to advertise an insanely low base price. hopefully i got my point off well....

Also, tctech I think yoru comments are off as I think the true age group scion is trying to reach isnt as young as you believe. I think its like maybe as young as 18 or so, but I think it's really about 20-35 or so. Im turning 21 in a few months and have a very good established credit line and will be buying this car w/o any assistance from my parents, so I think my particular group is what scion is trying for. Then when it's time to turn in the scion, toyota is hoping I loved the experience so much I'll move up to a toyota or lexus. Like you said though most ppl will go with a aftermarket set up but I think just the idea of offering it makes the tc more appealing to a wider range, in imo.

Just buy the pioneer avnic or whatever. I think it's less than $1800 which is what a dealer would charge you for something much less functional.

or they could charge more than $1800... you'll never know.

I say the ave cost for Nav is at LEAST 2K...

I saw the Nav on the V6 Accord coupe... All I can say is pretty cool!!!

The reason why I would love to have one, is because I like to take drives into the middle of nowhere... Finding new roads and just going into places that I have to be more aware of since I'm actually lost.... I love it when all of a sudden I find this nice little street with say some resturants two towns away and if I ever had a Nav system, I can find my way not only back home, but back to there to try out the resturant!!

The Nav system would be totally leasure... The practical use for it would be next to none... I don't go out much and if I do, I'll be sure I know where I'm going.... Although this DOES change dramatically when I get a new car as I drive about 3 times as much...

I'd NEVER get navigation or OnStar or anything like that in my car.

You really think I want people to be able to track my car through GPS? To be able to look at the GPS tracks and see, for example, that I averaged 110 mph over a ten mile stretch of highway at three in the morning? Next thing I know, I'm getting speeding tickets in the mail.

Nope, sorry, leave GPS locators the hell out of my car.

I dont know how that can happen. I've driven many times over 110mph in a car with GPS and NEVER got a ticket in the mail. I dont think that can even work since they have no proof what so ever that it was you driving.

Sounds to me like he's afraid of them tracking him, but I would guess a speeding ticket isn't his real worry. :twisted:

I'm sure he doesn't use a cell-phone either cuz those can be tracked too... Just ask Scott Peterson :evil:

Just like most things, it's a trade-off. As long as you know and are willing to trade some privacy for safety, it's not a big deal.

If you do have something to hide, take his advice and stay away from these things. Did you know that the Feds have tried to set-up wire taps on people's On-Star service. They can turn it on and its like having a live mic in the cab of your ride... It came out recently in a trial. They weren't allowed to do it because if the person got into an accident, they wouldn't be able to call for help. They tried to argue that someone would be listening and could notify the proper authorities... Give them time tho and they'll figure out a way...

With a little more research, it turns out they did tap someone's car...

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Nov-20-Thu-2003/news/22629749.html

i've never thought about people tracking you with nav.

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haha. thats what i planned to do. keep a map in my car...

Wow, I hadn't thought of that, makes sense. I had heard of rental car companies doing it though. Turn the car in, and get a bill in the mail for a few hundred dollars for violating the rental agreement by speeding, time and place noted. I forget what rental car company it was. Sure as hell reminds you to read the fine print though.

didnt think technology had come that far to track down a person's speed, etc. always thought they needed a black box to do that like i think chevrolet did a few years ago even though I think there are plenty of privacy laws against it. I was under the impression the only thing that gps could do was track down a person's location down.

Looks like we got our resident conspiracist on the board too!! j/k neverspeakawordagain

If you drive > 100 mph, you should get a ticket...

If you drive drunk, you should goto jail...

It's only right... Getting tickets for doing 45 in say a 40 zone would sux but if you are tracked in the future doing 110 over 5 miles... Then seriously you deserve a ticket :roll:

Just try to justify a need to drive 110...

Just try to justify a need to drive 110...

Well, the act of driving around 100mph on an interstate highway isn't dangerous as long as the car is in order and you have good judgement...the issue arrives when everyone else around you is driving the speed limit. I mean, when you study a highway like the German Autobahns (in most areas, no speed limit but heavy enforcement of driving 'etiquette') then the whole issue of driving fast is less scary.

However, back here in the good ol' USA, I would agree that if you are driving over 100mph then you should get a ticket...it just isn't safe for the other drivers around you (even if you can handle it).

Well, the act of driving around 100mph on an interstate highway isn't dangerous as long as the car is in order and you have good judgement...the issue arrives when everyone else around you is driving the speed limit. I mean, when you study a highway like the German Autobahns (in most areas, no speed limit but heavy enforcement of driving 'etiquette') then the whole issue of driving fast is less scary.

This isn't really justification... This is stating a situation where it would be safe to do so, (or sorta safe) But just because it is less dangerous don't mean there is ever a need to go 100 mph...

However, back here in the good ol' USA, I would agree that if you are driving over 100mph then you should get a ticket...it just isn't safe for the other drivers around you (even if you can handle it).

I am however glad you're agreeing with me... It seriously makes no sense to drive 110 mph... I did it when I was 18, I have grown a LOT since then and hope everyone around that age group do too...

i agree with cypher, the need to travel over 100 MPH is not necessary for me here where i live and can be dangerous . Maybe its not necessary to you neither, KAuss. But, if you have the right car, the right tires, the right situation , street and/or highway it really isnt dangerous nor that big of a deal. (Porshe @ Autobahn in Germany w/ light-no traffic)...It may not be justifiable to you, maybe you went 100+ MPH on a car not fit for that and crapped your pants.

yes, here in the US you shouldnt drive over 100mph on a freeway BUT there are areas that you can safely...like going out to new mexico. half way there and you are all alone on the highway. But you are taking your life in your own hands. You just cant drive like that in any car though. i'm sure everyone knows that.

But you are taking your life in your own hands.

You should have the attitude that your life is always on the line when driving...whether it is a quick hop the grocery store at 35 mph or going 95 mph down a quiet stretch of desert highway :wink: ...I am sure you know that but for some reason I had to point this out when I read that sentence.

yes the accident rate in europe is far less than the US of A, but the autobahn is currently only two miles long.....they have continually shortened it. and most people in europe drive small economical cars.....i doubt many people are traveling very fast. i think the driving age should be restricted to 20.....hahahaha

i think that if the government didn't want us to speed 100mph or more...they would put a regulator to halt the vehicle from traveling beyond 100mph or even less. It's all a conspiracy...

if you don't speed...the government can't ticket you...and thus less revenue generated for the local,state, and even federal government.

cars were invented to take you from point A to point B quicker than riding a damn horse. my point is... speeding is not wrong just as long it is done in a safe stretch of highway, but just look out for the 5-0. hehe.

nothing is illegal unless u're caught doing it or proven u did it.

yes the accident rate in europe is far less than the US of A, but the autobahn is currently only two miles long.....they have continually shortened it. and most people in europe drive small economical cars.....i doubt many people are traveling very fast. i think the driving age should be restricted to 20.....hahahaha

i don't think the German Autobahn is 2 miles long...it's actually a network of highways...like the freeway extending over 6000 miles all over Germany. FYI

also...u'll be surprised that small economical cars are common...but there are plenty of porsches, mercedes,and bmw running down the highway ... German taxis are mercedes for godsakes...

yea, I just read up on the autobahn. It has alot of great ideas, and much of the autobahn still has unlimited speed limits, but some portions include advisory speed limits and electronic signs with speed limits for bad conditions such as rain or construction. It was a good read: http://home.att.net/~texhwyman/autobahn.htm#regs

wow. the talk of a navigation system turned into a talk of driving.

as for driving over 100mph.. i do think that people should get a ticket

i agree with cypher, the need to travel over 100 MPH is not necessary for me here where i live and can be dangerous . Maybe its not necessary to you neither, KAuss. But, if you have the right car, the right tires, the right situation , street and/or highway it really isnt dangerous nor that big of a deal. (Porshe @ Autobahn in Germany w/ light-no traffic)...It may not be justifiable to you, maybe you went 100+ MPH on a car not fit for that and crapped your pants.

Everything said here equals to a (Less dangerous) and NEVER would it be a good idea to travel 100 mph... They can raise the speed lmit here, but driving 100 mph would mean a LOT more fatal accidents... Going 100 - 0 is pretty hard to keep anything alive...

To tell you the truth... Going 100 isn't insanely fast... Just that I know better than to do it even when there are no cars on the freeway... Back in 89, the Bay Bridge took a hard hit from the quake and a section of the bridge broke off the top deck and slanted into the bottom deck... Cars can not see it clearly and one person not paying full attention to the road fell in and died... This situation would almost seem impossible to dodge if you're driving at 100 mph (the limit on the bridge was 55 and he didn't stop in time) Seriously, if anyone continues to justify that just because it is LESS DANGEROUS to drive 100 mph, and continue to do so... I hope you get caught 3 times in a row and get your drive "privlidge" taken away... We don't need drivers like that on the road... (I'm not talking about the ones that do it subconsiously like from long trips, I'm talking about the ones that do it as a hobby... You all know who you are too..)

But you are taking your life in your own hands.

I guess your parents have no say about your safety? They probably can care less if you died because you gotten into an "accident" doing 100 mph (note accident was highlighted because you can't PREDICT it happening) I'm not saying you can't get into accidents driving slower... Still it is just common sense that the risk of anything serious increases with speed... I seriously can't stand how the MTV culture makes people think lives are so insignificant... You're not living just for yourself... You owe your life to those that helped you to where you are today... You should take care of it with them in mind... tC4me, I'm not attacking you personally and I know you probably mean to word it better... Just that for anyone out there that thinks this way, please take a moment and rethink the whole thing...

yes the accident rate in europe is far less than the US of A

Has it occured to anyone that the United States owns more cars than any other country and have the most teenage drivers of any country? Did you also look up the fatal accident rate in Europe? Take the number of fatal accidents and divide that by the total number of accidents... I'm sure the ratio is rather high... They also have a different dicipline over at the Autobahn... They don't drive like jackasses and have to have special licensing (I'm not sure) to have the "priviledge" to drive responsibly under VERY VERY VERY highly maintained roads which the US currently have NOTHING of this standard... Open freeways are NOT oval Nascar tracks...

Open freeways are NOT oval Nascar tracks...

Someone please explain that to all my redkneck neighbors. :roll:

TheBigGuyRy, LOL that was funny :D

Is it ever necessary to drive 100 mph? Of course not. But is it in any way necessary for me to get in my car, drive around twisties at three in the morning, never stop anyplace at all, and then come home again? No, but I do it anyway. There's a lot of things people do that aren't strictly necessary. Not that I drive at 100 mph... my car starts to really rattle and hum around 85. Oh well.

Point about the nav system has already been mentioned. Nav system, OnStar, etc., people, if they want to, can track where you're going and keep a record of it. I haven't heard of anyone getting a speeding ticket because of it, but I have heard of it being used in court. Most recent example was a guy who, in his divorce proceedings, had his wife submit copies of logs of his navigation system showing that he had been going to a girlfriend's house several times a week and cheating on her. You want stuff like that coming up in court?

And I DO know people who have gotten speeding tickets in the mail from EZPass (if they don't have that in your neck of the woods, it's a little electronic thing you keep in your winshield, so that when you drive through tolls, it automatically hits up your credit card instead of you having to give them cash at the toll booth). They set up a couple sensors a half mile apart, and if it takes you less time to pass between them than you could driving legally... ticket in the mail. They can't put it on your license, because they can't prove it was you driving, but you still have to pay it.

LOL, if that guy is such a bastard, then I guess it serves him right to have stuff like that brought up in court right? Like if Kobe didn't rape the girl it makes it ok for him to cheat his wife with a 4 million dollar ring :D Serves that guy right for trying to pull a fast one :D

As for twisties 3 in the morning... There is nothing wrong to take your car anywhere under legal speed limits anytime of the day... There IS however a difference driving down a strip of road going 100 MPH...

Seriously, how would you feel if you hit someone going 100 MPH... Why not just goto a race track? Why must it be done on the freeway? It's not like the government don't provide you with a legal way to do it...

I personally drive for hours after work with my WRX without stopping... I once did a 200 mile trip 11 pm to 3 am after work and did it all while driving 65 on the most open freeway you can find (hell it was open everywhere)... All I remember was using the whole tank of gas LOL...

I even drive local for hours on end... I cruise around in 3rd which is about 30 - 35 with my WRX from SF to San Jose which is about 40 miles freeway... It took me a good 2 hours to get there 4am and all local...

Why did I even type all that LOL? All I have to say is 100 mph is not right....