Hey guys, nice forums you have here.

I am curious about this new tc, infact I would possibly like to get one :)

1.) How do you think it will handle?
2.) Any guess' at 0-60 times? (can it do sub 8 seconds)
3.) Will the supercharger be a "mopar" type of accessory?
4.) Do you think the supercharger will be compatable with the automatic version of this car?

I really like the looks and bang for the buck of this car. How small is it exactly? About the size of an RSX?

Thanks guys!

handles=decent, but its a TALL car.
0-60 = BUTT CRACK SLOW


haha toyota has a oem supercharger for it

0-60 = BUTT CRACK SLOW

Anything more "accurate" then that? The Civic Si can get a 7.9 second 0-60mph and it is about 200lbs. lighter with much less torque though...I am sure that the tC won't be too far from that. At most, probably mid 8's...

handles=decent, but its a TALL car.
0-60 = BUTT CRACK SLOW


haha toyota has a oem supercharger for it

He also have about 20 of these in the back yard to do crash tests...

Anywho, the pull would obviously not match the WRX, but it should be fun not to have to subject to the turbo lag... Still, the WRX is the fastest car I've ever had the liberty to own and when the turbo does kick in... It's just smiles...

I'm hoping this car pull at least a low 14 with all my audio in it to match the WRX... Obviously not by the form of stock parts... Seems very doable (I know it's not a word) and thats why I'm setteling on the tC instead of say a Civic Si....

Obviously you came to the right place, but you asked the question at the wrong time because there is NOTHING in the lines of performance leaked out from any source except for the way it'll be powered...

We can assume things on how it'll perform, but we have yet to put one on the dyno... So give it some time and lets try answering this one again :D

1.) Independent suspension front & back, 7X17 wheels & rubber, all glass roof
2.) 200+ hp & 190+ tq w/supercharger, 3000 lbs.
3.) Yes?
4.) Yes, the supercharger is compatable with the automatic.

tC:
Front Head Room: 37.6 in.
Front Hip Room: 53.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 54.3 in.
Rear Head Room: 36.6 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 50 in.
Rear Hip Room: 47.3 in.
Front Leg Room: 41.6 in.
Rear Leg Room: 33.6 in.
Luggage Capacity: 12.8 cu. ft.

civic ex coupe:
Front Head Room: 36.9 in.
Front Hip Room: 50.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 52.8 in.
Rear Head Room: 35 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 52.6 in.
Rear Hip Room: 46.7 in.
Front Leg Room: 42.5 in.
Rear Leg Room: 32.8 in.
Luggage Capacity: 12.9 cu. ft.

rsx-s:
Front Head Room: 37.8 in.
Front Hip Room: 51.1 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 52.6 in.
Rear Head Room: 30.1 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 51.3 in.
Rear Hip Room: 46.7 in.
Front Leg Room: 43.1 in.
Rear Leg Room: 29.2 in.
Luggage Capacity: 17.8 cu. ft.

From Edmunds
thanks to djimpak's post

Hey guys, nice forums you have here.

I am curious about this new tc, infact I would possibly like to get one :)

1.) How do you think it will handle?
2.) Any guess' at 0-60 times? (can it do sub 8 seconds)
3.) Will the supercharger be a "mopar" type of accessory?
4.) Do you think the supercharger will be compatable with the automatic version of this car?

I really like the looks and bang for the buck of this car. How small is it exactly? About the size of an RSX?

Thanks guys!

http://www.modernracer.com/sciontc.html

they have the tC's 0-60 at 7.5

I think edmunds was being a little stingy with those Civic Si 0-60 times. I think it does a little better than 7.9.

I'm driving an 03 Si right now, and from what I can tell the tC and the Si are very comparable, except for the tC being a a little bit heavier and the Si being more expensive.

Plus I think the tC looks alot more nice, and I'd rather drive that disguised hatch than my silly little egg any day of the week.

http://www.modernracer.com/sciontc.html

they have the tC's 0-60 at 7.5

They also list the base price as $19,995 :roll: I wouldn't pay much attention to the 7.5 0 - 60 :D

Thanks guys.

I was just thought you guys would have guesses, I figured there was not much info out there.

Obviously the power won't be as good as a WRX (almost 100HP less than a slightly modded WRX). But I am looking for a nice little automatic just for going to the store etc.

From a roll, I am guessing it would be decent (not for racing, just for daily driving).

Any idea how much the supercharger might cost installed?

With a S/C you'd be doing a lot better racing people from a dead stop...

Most people speculate 3K for the S/C... That'll bring the car to near 20K or OVER 20K for the auto...

P.S. The WRX might be cool stock, but it's no where near the RST... Thats why a heavily modded tC might take any modded WRX given the $ and time...

Personally, if I owned a WRX, i'd never trade it for another car...unless it was an STI or EVO. But going from a wrx to a tC will be a big change. I know what a subby can do. But like everyone else, no one really knows what the tC can do yet. Since the stock wrx puts out more HP that the tC with the s/c, it'll be hard to compare. That My opinion.

Personally, if I owned a WRX, i'd never trade it for another car...unless it was an STI or EVO. But going from a wrx to a tC will be a big change. I know what a subby can do. But like everyone else, no one really knows what the tC can do yet. Since the stock wrx puts out more HP that the tC with the s/c, it'll be hard to compare. That My opinion.Huh.. I have a modded wrx and i cant wait to trade that thing in for a 350z :D

Personally, if I owned a WRX, i'd never trade it for another car...unless it was an STI or EVO. But going from a wrx to a tC will be a big change. I know what a subby can do. But like everyone else, no one really knows what the tC can do yet. Since the stock wrx puts out more HP that the tC with the s/c, it'll be hard to compare. That My opinion.Huh.. I have a modded wrx and i cant wait to trade that thing in for a 350z :D

Howcome?

All I can say is Your crazy. My b/f wrx eats Z's for breakfast.

Stock for stock a z will rape a wrx and i can drift a z. Even with my wrx at 16 pound the z was at my door this was a bone stock Z

handles=decent, but its a TALL car.
0-60 = BUTT CRACK SLOW


haha toyota has a oem supercharger for it

How can you say this about a car that isn't even released yet...?

C'mon dude..you know better than that.

well saken4 maybe it depends on the driver. But what ever you want.

Drifting makes a turn go slower :roll:

But man, if you ever driven a WRX, you know it don't have the best tranny in the market and driving a AWD isn't like a FWD, you have to be gentel with the clutch...

I personally would not EVER drive an AWD car again... Obviously there are exceptions like the R34, and whatever else tickles my fancy...

I owned the WRX and 90% of the time I'm glad I totalled it... The 10% that I regret, is when I'm all alone on an on ramp...

If you ever owned a RS and actually put a turbo in it, then you would NOT like the WRX :D

With that said, you can't totally bum the tC out because it can be hopped up like the RS which can be overall faster than the WRX... And you can beat the shanangens out of the clutch without fear for tranny break downs...

As for the 350Z, it's too heavy for my likings... I rather have RX8 :D

id rather have a magic carpet....so i could fly over people and spit on them....haha obviously waiting for the tc has caused me to completely lose my mind...

The lack of seat belt / airbag, or heck even the seat made me opt the magic carpet out of my list of transportation to blow 18K on...

From Edmunds
thanks to djimpak's post

you're welcome. im glad to help.

But man, if you ever driven a WRX, you know it don't have the best tranny in the market and driving a AWD isn't like a FWD, you have to be gentel with the clutch...

I personally would not EVER drive an AWD car again... Obviously there are exceptions like the R34, and whatever else tickles my fancy...

I owned the WRX and 90% of the time I'm glad I totalled it... The 10% that I regret, is when I'm all alone on an on ramp...

If you ever owned a RS and actually put a turbo in it, then you would NOT like the WRX :D

With that said, you can't totally bum the tC out because it can be hopped up like the RS which can be overall faster than the WRX... And you can beat the shanangens out of the clutch without fear for tranny break downs...

Tanx KAuss. Makes me feel better for decide'n to get the gts instead of a rex.

Alright, first off:

A certain guy that claimed to own a WRX, didnt or doesnt.

But... why a 350Z? Those are heavy, 2 seat under-powered, over priced, over rated cars.

I would never trade my WRX for a 350Z... a new GTO, yes!

A lightly modded WRX will whoop a 350Z, nuff said. Those are a joke.

The trannys are not that bad on a WRX. Right now, the only cars I would trade my WRX for are a new GTO or EVO or STi. (Brand new cars under 35,000)

I was considering the tc as a second car.

Anyone ever drove the Saturn Redline yet?

But... why a 350Z? Those are heavy, 2 seat under-powered, over priced, over rated cars.


LOL have you ever been in or driven a Z they arnt under powered. People are running 13.5 stock. Go on a 350z forum and repeat just what you said if you want proof. And at 26,000 they arnt over priced get your facts straight. And if you are referring to me about not owning a wrx i have taken it to kk meets here in socal more than once. Okay I'm done this is getting way off topic.

2point0, easy guy :D

We love opinions here and I'm full of them especially on airbags as most of them know me by it LOL...

We can share it but lets keep it less personal and keep the boards wide open for future comments :D

Saying which car is better is not ALL about the 1/4 numbers... Thats why I posted my opinion on it since I actually DID own a WRX but after driving it, and how clunky it was to get back into first during a roll... I really have had it with the WRX...

I live in NorCal and went on the Mt. Hamilton meet with the folks here... We had over 60 cars that day and that Mt. hosted more turns than we have days in a year... Lets just say on the hairpins... My inexperience with manual transmission and the clunkiness of the tranny made for a very bad experience... I had to shift back into first but it was the most horrifying rev match ever... At the end of my fury, I think I already started having clutch problems from bad shifts while learning off the car the first few weeks... Sounded like a clinking reving rattle... Could be tranny problem tho...

The 350Z on the other hand has gotten great reviews... I have never driven one, but there isn't anyone out there that has who'll say otherwise... I personally don't like it, but I can understand why people would... And if you are saying the ride / drive quality in a WRX is better... I seriously have to urge you to test drive my 15 year old integra... The shocks suck but the car drives smooth as butter... I can rip corners even tho it's a FWD and still feel more solid than my WRX ever did... (thanks to the RE92 my car is totalled... Also my stupid self by driving crazy)

Well, I've said too much already, but my point through all this is just to keep it nice and simple and lets enjoy the views instead of trying to cult people :D

WRX is nice... But the 350Z cost more for a reason ;)

btw, coupe2... No prob man :D Just a car lover trying to get by another day you know ;)

Hey KAuss what car are you driving now?

0-60 = BUTT CRACK SLOW

Anything more "accurate" then that? The Civic Si can get a 7.9 second 0-60mph and it is about 200lbs. lighter with much less torque though...I am sure that the tC won't be too far from that. At most, probably mid 8's...

With stock tires, 500mis, and salty sandy roads... i managed 8.96 with shameless wheelspin with my xB... the retry with better tires, k&n typhoon and a controlled launch should yeild mid - low 8sec

I drive a 90 Integra LS... I bought this so my insurance wouldn't make me go broke... After totaling a car, they jack you :D So I just got this with liability and now I'm saving up to buy a tC... By time I save enough, my insurance will be cheaper and I'll be turning 25...

Cool. Hey man i'm going through the same thing you are. I totalled my 99 Corolla a couple of years back....so i ended up buying a 01 Corolla S...it was cool for a while untill my insurance with State Farm sky rocketted, so i had to sell my Corolla. Ended up buying a 91 Integra GS so i could regroup, save up and wait after i turn 21....which is in a few months so we're going through the same s&@^ .

Peace 8)

I was thinking of the tC's 0-60 times with the supercharger (I mean, is there a single person on earth who's actually gonna buy the car without the supercharger?)... I'd guess somewhere in the 7.2 range?

yeah, i am. Mostly because the car comes in june and the supercharger doesnt come till november. Also, i'm a student who lives at home, and with no job. I can't afford one yet. I'm sure a lot of people who buy the car wont get the supercharger. At least not right away.

350Z is a fun car to drive. The V6 in it feels like a V8. There's usable torque everywhere, it doesn't matter what gear you're in. But there's 6 gears, when you need them.

The WRX is a turbo 2-liter. Sure you can add more boost or a better turbo or whatever, but it's not nearly as fun to drive, in my opinion. 14 lbs or 20lbs, it makes no difference. It lags off boost and the drive train itself lags. The looks also appeal only to those who know about it...or chick that like to go snowboarding and need a 4x4. Heh.

The most fun you can have in a WRX type car(evo, eclipse/talon turbos, celica all-trac) is right off the line with the boost cranked up. That and maybe acting like a rally car racer.


But to stay on topic...the tC is only for daily driving and pimpin' around town. It's overweight for a speed racer like a Celica(2500-2600lbs?), but it's smaller than a Solara(overall length by 18"?).

neverspeakawordagain, I'm getting the car stock without the S/C... (Maybe)

Reason being is the trust in the aftermarket... With displacement like a 2.4... I think we can do way better than 200 hp under the hood...

Gunner1, are you speaking on the WRX's behalf by experience? 20 lbs boost experience? Well, I don't know how driving a WRX isn't fun... I seriously had a lot of fun with it but it wasn't practical since it had a lot of shift problems for me... As for the drive train being laggy... What are you talking about in that? AWD would be a lot more responsive than RWD under instant acceleration...

As for my preception for fun... I generally don't like launching on boost or launching at all because you can always break stuff no matter what the car... I have my most fun on a slow roll then flooring the car and hit boost in the middle... The sudden surge of power puts a smile on my face each time... Then after I hit 3rd and go about 80mph, I just slowly roll back to a 65 and drive normal again... Anyone that drove a WRX knows that anything past 5 is no fun... Torque is fun, the steeper the curve up, the more fun you'll have... From physics... The turbo will provide the biggest gain in torque over shorter rpm ranges, thus giving you a LOT more fun :D

yeah, i am. Mostly because the car comes in june and the supercharger doesnt come till november. Also, i'm a student who lives at home, and with no job. I can't afford one yet. I'm sure a lot of people who buy the car wont get the supercharger. At least not right away.

same here, cept i have a job, lol. I'm waitin til i hear as much as i can about the s/c that comes from scion and then decidin 6 mos. down the line if i wannna pick that up or get an aftermarket.

I didn't say it isn't fun, it's just not as fun to drive as a Z, in my opinion. The way I see it, that instant boost within a couple 1000 rpm range is a cheap thrill. Taking a car with that nature to the edge on a racetrack is not as rewarding as a car like a Z with instant push at about any RPM. The rear kicks out with some use of the throttle much more easily and predictably then a 4wd car unless the suspension is really worked, and even then, you still deal with the same drawbacks.

If you're a driver that likes to track his car, than you would know what I'm talking about. I ain't hating on the Scooby, just pointing out car basics.

the z also has a way bigger engine. 3.8l v6 compared to the wrx's 2.0l inline 4. yeah one is turbo'ed but it doesnt compare to a v6 with about 1.8 more liters. that's just what i think.

The Supercharger's supposed to be, what, like 3 grand, right? That's six months of insurance right there... I'd say six months of insurance is worth it for the s/c.

Another thing... I'm a 24 year old male with absolutely no violations on my record whatsoever, no accidents, no NOTHING, and perfect credit (which I know they base insurance on)... why is insurance for a new car 6 grand a year?

A natrually aspirated engine is inferior to a F/I engine... Take it into altitudes and you'll lose oxygen... Take your Z and run it up a mountian... Take a WRX and take it up a mountian... I know this is more rally based, but the best twisties are on the hills...

As for a track car... You don't need low end torque for races... The way production cars are setup especially for huge displacement engines is that the torque usually kicks in instantly and drop off near the top... This is exactly what you DON'T want in a race car... Most race cars would take advantage of the displacement and turn it into hp and not tq... Since when you're racing you're staying in high revs (downshifting) neither car would feel out of line or lack of power...

As with predictablilty... AWD was designed for that... You can take an AWD to any track, most weather conditions and drive it much the same... You can NOT say that about RWD cars... You have to be good with the car, good with the track, and definately good with anything that has to do with turning FAST in a RWD car...

As for cheap thrill... You can't feel this thrill in a N/A car... You can however feel the torque of a N/A V6 in a 4 banger through F/I... A car with constant torque with little to no change does nothing for fun... You can't feel speed... You can only feel acceration... If all you care for is the lap time at the end and don't care for the "glued to your seats" feel of a AWD F/I rally bred car... Then your definition of fun would mean to drive the fastest car you can afford... As for my definition of fun... It would mean that the car would roar when I want it and pur like a kitty when I get my groceries...

All in good chat :D This topic is fun :D

^^^that is an excellent post. i learn something new every day hehe

I'm not a professor or nothing.... Don't take my words for facts as most are merely opinion...

However I would take credit if you enjoyed reading it :D

i enjoyed reading the post. thank you. hehe

Well i dont really care about the 350z Being n/a and the wrx being turbo. Yea the wrx is a fun car but to make it how i want it i will have to dump too much money into it. Jeez just to beef up the tranny its like 10,000. So my 350z with twin turbo 18g turbos will kick the crap out of my wrx anyday and in the long run im saving money. Plus the 350z is cheaper to insure and i will get better gas millage. Its funny how a lot of people have to get there 2 cents in but havnt driven both cars or non of them. Everyone thinks wrx are like all and mighty but if you go on any boards and look at time slips most are running like 14.8 stock. Crap with my wrx stock boost and axil back ran a 14.3 and the wrx that i raced had turbo back exhaust intake and ran a 14.7 so stop lookn at the mags and trying to compare cars>

Did you ever take the WRX on a Mt. Hamilton run? If you did you'd smile days on end :D

I haven't driven a Z but I know I'd love it just the same... Just that for the sake of having driven V6 cars... I do perfer the feel of a F/I four banger :D

Like I said, if all people cared about was the 1/4 slips, then just get the fastest car you can afford... Nothing else seems to matter :D

argh, site double posted me...

Yeah, it's not all just about the fastest car. I'll tell you, the fastest car I've ever driven was an SUV (Porsche Cayenne Turbo). But it wasn't all that much fun to drive, more scary. It's all about what you're into.

As for me, give me a Lotus Elise any day :D :D :D

neverspeakawordagain, race your Elise vs. my Hummer H1 LOL....

Well the only reason i brought up 1/4 mile times was cause some people were saying there wrx rapes Z's. So i thought i would enlighten people what wrx really run cause everyone swears they have a 13 second rex stock bwaaaaa. But I'm all bout canyon running and desert flats and things more of that nature. There is this run i go to with 90 plus mph turns and alot of tight turns too with some nice steep drop offs lol....

I'm picking up a car in June and its a tC or WRX wagon.

I was originally looking at a Mazda3 and liked the car just fine and thought I had my car, in fact I was very impressed with it.... til I drove a WRX that is. The WRX is an absolute blast to drive. I had diven the same route w/ mazda3 (both engines), Jetta GL, TDI, 1.8T, Jeep Wrangler (just for kicks), and then the WRX. When I got back to the dealer, i couldnt turn in and just kept going. It felt like I was back in my 90 jetta GLI.

Well I immediately dropped all other considerations until I found the tC. Coming from a truck I'd like to have the ability to make a rare haul. The WRX sedan seat doesnt fold, but the acre of room in the tC got me thinking. Loaded, sharp, upscale interior, reliability, 87octane gas - its a close call.

Has Anyone actually sat in the tC?
My biggest concern is the driving position. I like the position of the WRX and dislike the position of the celica.

I'm torn, any advice would be most helpful?

or you could just get the twin turbo system greddy has for the z....muahahaha.

The WRX seats rock huh? I am seriously when I say those are the most comfortable stock seats I've ever sat in... (the bad thing is that they all wear down around 15K - 20K miles..) I owned the wagon also!! Just best wagon for the $...

The tC will most definately not be such a thrill to drive.. You however have the ability to make it so if you're into aftermarket :D The cool thing is that the tyres on the tC will be a lot better than those on the WRX... That'll save you some "have fun" money...

Sorry I can't comment on the seating yet, but lets hope you don't have to wait for me to do so before you get an answer...

As for desert runs... Never tried it :D I love tarmac... (thats why I don't like AWD ne more :D)

FYI, the seats in the tC are pretty comfortable, BUT the WRX seats are still my favorite too. I've sat in both, one more than the other, but the tC seats are good. But i only sat in them for a few minutes, not on a long drive, so i couldn't tell you if they start to hurt or whatever. The WRX seats stay comfortable for the first 8 hrs of a 12 hr drive. Then, any seat hurts. =o)

Well a WRX with automatic transmission , the moonroof package, and their cheapest 17s is going to run you 29,020. Let's say you can get it for invoice and get aftermarket wheels, you're looking at about 26,000 (invoice from www.cars.101.com). Moral of the story:

It's still a $9,000 price difference. Factor in 0% financing from subaru and you looking at atleast $7,000.

For $7,000 you can get the supercharger and new seats with money left over. Plus you have Toyota reliability and a much more unique car. Even if the TC catches on, one subaru looks like another subaru, where as the TC looks like no other scion or Toyota.

This is all coming from a guy that was set on buying a WRX (and is still thinking about it), but unless something drastic happens with the TC, it's a no brainer.

The most comfortable auto seats I've ever sat in were in a Bentley Arnage... though I haven't actually gotten a chance to sit in the new Maybach seats, but I've heard they're extraordinary.

If we're talking under 40K seats, the absolute, single best seats, without question, are in the Pontiac GTO. You wouldn't believe that seats like that are in a GM vehicle.

The worst seats I've ever sat in, of course, are in my 1987 Toyota Corolla... after twenty years, foam gets pretty thin.

Well a WRX with automatic transmission , the moonroof package, and their cheapest 17s is going to run you 29,020. Let's say you can get it for invoice and get aftermarket wheels, you're looking at about 26,000 (invoice from www.cars.101.com).

Question: what's wrong with the stock WRX rims? Honestly, as long as it's not solid disk steel rims with cheesy plastic hubcaps, I really couldn't care less what kind of rims are on my car. I honestly couldn't even tell you what the wheels on my car look like; I can't remember the last time I even glanced at them. I guess I just don't get the whole rims thing.

How much would it cost to put AWD into the tC?

You have to factor in that price too :D

Even with the S/C the tC would still be behind on performance... So legitimately speaking, the WRX still has it's advantages... (You also get 4 full doors!!)

As for looks, it's always a matter of taste so you can't really put that into the equation for value... (the round headlights grew on me with ownership of the car and I even bought a 1:18 model after I totaled my WRX cause I missed those headlights :D)

Correct, I did forget about AWD. If you need that kind of thing, it does level the field quite a bit.

Number of Doors, however, is certainly a matter of preference. I don't remember the last time I had more than 2 people in my car. I rather have the cargo room in the back that the TC provides.

Plus, isn't the TC supposed to have a lot of rear legroom? What good is four doors if everyone is uncomfortable in the back seat of a WRX?

And I was including the 17s as a performance option. I see no problem with 16s for casual driving, and I also don't get the cosmetic upgrade rims (24s on an H1 for example). However, larger tires often equals better performance.

Like I said, I think it's a draw at best, and anyone into making their car a speed demon won't leave a WRX stock anymore than a TC, so now you have a $40,000 scooby. Bang for the buck, TC is simply ahead of the WRX.

Well, I'm just saying what I'm about to say because I love forum chat :D

Even tho I owned a WRX I don't think it's the greatest car in the world just the one we're currently talking about :D

The four doors thing DO come in handy when you get groceries where you can just open the rear doors and put in whatever you want back there instead of the the truck or open up the hatch...

The WRX wagon has a LOT more room for cargo than the tC

The back seats are snug, but where are the numbers and I never sat in the back of a tC so I can't even comment on that yet...

The tC has no bang unless it's down in the low 14s with the S/C...

The WRX has bang and thus can be considered bang for the buck :D

A car that runs 15's seriously has no bang :D Considering you have cars that run 14's stock comming out just all over without F/I...

Once again, the 1/4 slips aren't everything... Just that thats what most people gauge cars by :D (and most definately how they gauge bang by)

Thanks for the input.

neverspeak, the rims are fine on the wrx, but the tires are not the greatest. In the wrx forums they talk about swaping tires but keeping the rims. The tC (i was looking again, but couldnt find the exact tires) tires are supposedly better. On top of that its 17" vs 16".

I would be leasing thru my biz again, so the cost is less of an issue. I'm close to getting the WRX at 250/mo for 39mo. (invoice at 25210) If it were any closer to 30, I'd have a permagrin and driving the sti.

I'm still completly undecided. I am now leaning towards buying out my truck lease until I figure out a plan. For me its about feel. The rex was the first car that felt as good or better than my old jetta GLI (roccaro seats were better than wrx, but not by much btw). It just seemed to have this quiet confindence like "dont worry I'll be here if you need me". The tC looks fantastic on paper, but without knowing its feel we're all flying a bit blind. Since I'd have to give my truck back 3 days prior to the tC arrival, I have to be darn sure its the right decision. Plus, my brand new ex hated the truck so I dont have to consider that anymore.

tC4me - you said you sat in the tC for a minute? How was the view from there? Did it feel reclined, upright, low? What would be a car or two you would call it similar to?

Thanks again for the replies.

PS KAuss - I hear ya on the model. I bought the transfomer version of the wrx.

The tC has no bang unless it's down in the low 14s with the S/C...

The WRX has bang and thus can be considered bang for the buck :D

A car that runs 15's seriously has no bang :D Considering you have cars that run 14's stock comming out just all over without F/I...

Once again, the 1/4 slips aren't everything... Just that thats what most people gauge cars by :D (and most definately how they gauge bang by)

The fastest car I've ever driven on a regular basis was a 1995 Ford Taurus with a 140 hp 3.8 litre v-6. New, it ran a 17.5 second 1/4 mile.

15's in the quarter? My car runs 0-60 in 16. And I'm not exaggerating at all. That's timed. If I had to guess at a 1/4 time, I'd probably say something around 22 seconds. It's carbuerated. In 1987, it put out 75 hp. This is my car, that I've been driving for eight years. When I got it, I was in high school. In three weeks, I get my doctorate degree. It's still running original shocks and struts at all corners.

To be perfectly honest with you, a Hyundai Accent would be a HUGE performance upgrade for me. The tC is gonna seem like an Enzo Ferrari.

Oh, and it'll probably have a few creature comforts that I've never had before. Like power windows and doors, air conditioning, an FM radio, anti-lock breaks, air bags, and more than three speeds in the automatic tranny.

It's all relative. All depends on where you're coming from. To someone who's been driving a WRX, the tC is a creeping econobox. To me, it's a race car. All relative.

wow this place updates faster than i can type.

Bang for buck, I couldnt agree more that the tC leads the pack. In fact I think it hit one of biggest gaps in cardom. The only thing is does it have enough bang to warrant a purchase? Everything is relative and I can appreciate an accent for what it provides. The reason I steered away from the Mazda3 is I why give back a adequate truck with a buyout of 7500 to buy another adequate vehicle for 16-17k?



Ooh, just thinking. I guess I have a new consideration: Now that I'm single do I really want to be driving around in a station wagon? hmm...

I drive an old corolla, too. Mine is an '85. My whole reason for getting the tC is to have a very reliable daily driver so I can toy with the corolla.

I won't touch the tC performance-wise. I don't think it's worth it. It's way overweight and that's just not my thing. I would rather invest in thousands on suspensions goodies and an S2000 motor in my corolla before trying to make a tC fast. But that's just me.

The tC is a nice car for pimpin' around in, tho. So I would love to get it lowered on a nice set of rims when I'm done paying for it.

If you want a fast car for the money with a better warranty, go to www.dodge.com and check out the SRT-4. A cheap 4 door with PLENTY of go and factory covered hop-ups on top of that.

i'd stick with japanese cars. i think they are more reliable. and i think the srt-4 is ugly.

Well to fairly consider "bang for the buck" you can't consider what you're currently driving...

I'm driving a 90 Integra LS, 130 hp.... BuKeT!

The way you determine this is to put it flat out on the market... You have to notice that the tC is pretty near the bottom of the list of cars put out in 2005... (for the bang department)

Compared to cars like the RSX Type S, the Si, even the WRX, Colbalt SS, the list goes on...

The "Bang" of the tC certianly decreases a few levels here... Now for the REST of the things like features and personal touches to the car... Those aren't actually bang bucks... No one goes "BANG!! Panoramic roof!!"

Cars are getting faster n faster and I'd be darned if the Corolla XRS don't get a pretty good run time vs the stock tC...

The "Buck" factor is definately there for the tC, but the "Bang" is still a few aftermarket years away, by that time the "Buck" might have ceased to exsist :D

btw, I would definatley have to agree bar none the SRT-4 is the best "bang for the buck"

And WTH? S2000 in a Corolla? hahah, at least save me the trouble of lashing out all kinds of funny comments and buy at least a Civic :D If theres anything worst than a S2000 Civic, it MUST be a S2000 Corolla!! :D

Well to fairly consider "bang for the buck" you can't consider what you're currently driving...

I'm driving a 90 Integra LS, 130 hp.... BuKeT!

The way you determine this is to put it flat out on the market... You have to notice that the tC is pretty near the bottom of the list of cars put out in 2005... (for the bang department)

Compared to cars like the RSX Type S, the Si, even the WRX, Colbalt SS, the list goes on...

The "Bang" of the tC certianly decreases a few levels here... Now for the REST of the things like features and personal touches to the car... Those aren't actually bang bucks... No one goes "BANG!! Panoramic roof!!"

Cars are getting faster n faster and I'd be darned if the Corolla XRS don't get a pretty good run time vs the stock tC...

The "Buck" factor is definately there for the tC, but the "Bang" is still a few aftermarket years away, by that time the "Buck" might have ceased to exsist :D

btw, I would definatley have to agree bar none the SRT-4 is the best "bang for the buck"

And WTH? S2000 in a Corolla? hahah, at least save me the trouble of lashing out all kinds of funny comments and buy at least a Civic :D If theres anything worst than a S2000 Civic, it MUST be a S2000 Corolla!! :D

If we're going to be comparing, we've got to compare apples to apples here... Remember that the RSX has a base engine with 160 hp, same as the tC, with less torque. If we're talking the Type S, we'd have to compare to the tC + supercharger... and the tC'd still have the Acura licked in the cash department.

Even the base tC has as much HP and more torque than the Si... and costs $3000 less. The tC's price competitor in the Civic line is the EX coupe... which has 127 hp.

And remember that the Cobalt SS only has 170 hp... in order to top 200, you have to get the supercharger option, same as the Scion.

And the tC isn't at the bottom of the barrel for performance... compare it to any car in its price range (i.e., HX/LX/EX Civic coupes, Hyundai Elantra GT, Corolla S, Lancer OZ Rally, Focus ZX3, etc.), and it comes out pretty much on top.

Yes but every car listed is lighter... The Scion most likley won't hit 14s, but all the cars listed have a chance...

15 IMO is where I draw my mark... 15 Isn't actually slow, but you need to at least be in the 14 to be considered SORTA fast...

Thats why I said the "buck" factor is there for the tC but the "bang" is a few aftermarket years behind...

And WTH? S2000 in a Corolla? hahah, at least save me the trouble of lashing out all kinds of funny comments and buy at least a Civic If theres anything worst than a S2000 Civic, it MUST be a S2000 Corolla!!

What's so wrong about an S2000 powered corolla? it's lighter than the honda and you can actually carry spare wheels when you go to the track.

http://www.club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_pages/HOT%20STAFF%20Part%20II%20-%20S2000%20Motor.htm

Hey hey :D no flame no flame :D

It was meant to be a joke!! Honda engines in a Toyota must be like Romeo and Juliet LOL... Two families that should never of been together :D

Seriously if you can fit a S2000 in anythig less powerful... What is there NOT to like?

That definately don't seem like a weekend project tho HAHA... Sick but that isn't even a car anymore :D It's a motor on wheels :D

Owned an 84 corolla 4 door for years. Great car. It just needed a little more power.
Course I would have gone with a toyota mill myself, but hey, good job Gunner1. :wink:

wow. you can actually fit an F20C in an AE86. cool

ok both the Z and the REX are both great cars w/ different capabilities...i love the way the Z looks vs the REX, but the fun factor when it comes to driving is definitely the REX. I have friends w/ both and driven both for a day....even if a stock Z does a better 1/4 run, so what? the rex can out manuver (with a good driver thats been properly trained) a Z (same as the other driver). Seriously, throwing side line comments to throw the subject off doesnt really accomplish sh*t im not trying to offend anyone, but im just trying to say both cars r good in its own aspects...and as far as that "i can drift the 350Z but not hte rex" that was a stupid comment haha. seriously u can drift the Z so what? i can rally race the ____ out of a rex? see my point? Thats not a valid argument. Both cars are great. It's a matter of personal opinion of what your looking for. If you want a straight p***y magnet get a Z, it works....hell get the convertible. if you want a car w/ loads of fun factor and easily modded for good power the wrx does it well. im not saying the Z cant be modded. it can be, but the $ for $ for the hp vs hp, the wrx has the advantage. so yeah thats my 2 cents haha

oh yeah stickin 2 the subject, the tC aint half bad. I'm waiting to see the final build "quality" of the car before i jump to conclusions. the car looks okay to me, and definitely seems like a good bargain, but id like to see the finals of everything not what the rumor mill turns out before i make a decision on the tC

ok both the Z and the REX are both great cars w/ different capabilities...i love the way the Z looks vs the REX, but the fun factor when it comes to driving is definitely the REX. I have friends w/ both and driven both for a day....even if a stock Z does a better 1/4 run, so what? the rex can out manuver (with a good driver thats been properly trained) a Z (same as the other driver). Seriously, throwing side line comments to throw the subject off doesnt really accomplish sh*t im not trying to offend anyone, but im just trying to say both cars r good in its own aspects...and as far as that "i can drift the 350Z but not hte rex" that was a stupid comment haha. seriously u can drift the Z so what? i can rally race the ____ out of a rex? see my point? Thats not a valid argument. Both cars are great. It's a matter of personal opinion of what your looking for. If you want a straight p***y magnet get a Z, it works....hell get the convertible. if you want a car w/ loads of fun factor and easily modded for good power the wrx does it well. im not saying the Z cant be modded. it can be, but the $ for $ for the hp vs hp, the wrx has the advantage. so yeah thats my 2 cents haha

ditto!

Z makes a nice @ss drift car and sounds mean as heck with intake/headers/exaust...sick.

WRX can haul more kids, grip in the snow, and make that "pshhh" sound when you shift. WRX sound funny opened up...sickly.

I would much rather have the Z.

Yeah, but for the price of a nicely equipped Z, you can get an Sti. Or an EvoVIII. Or, for that matter, a G35 or a 3 series. I'd rather have any of those than a Z.

How is i cant drift a z and not a rex a stupid comment. it makes since to me im into drifting and would like to drift and i cant do it in my wrx.

How is i cant drift a z and not a rex a stupid comment. it makes since to me im into drifting and would like to drift and i cant do it in my wrx.

I'm not entirely sure what kind of sense you're trying to make here, but the basic point is that in order to be a good drifting car, a car has to have a)rwd (which both the Z and the RX have) and b)lots of low end torque (which the RX does not have). Without enough low end torque to break the wheels free of the road, you're just going to accelerate, not drift. If your car doesn't make at 2500 or 3000 RPM's, then it's going to be very, very hard to drift without doing some nasty things to your clutch.

iono about lots of low end torque cuz the ae86 doesn't have that much low end torque but its still a drift car

I'm not entirely sure what kind of sense you're trying to make here, but the basic point is that in order to be a good drifting car, a car has to have a)rwd (which both the Z and the RX have) and b)lots of low end torque (which the RX does not have). Without enough low end torque to break the wheels free of the road, you're just going to accelerate, not drift. If your car doesn't make at 2500 or 3000 RPM's, then it's going to be very, very hard to drift without doing some nasty things to your clutch.

I can answer like a WRX owner..."But that's what dirt roads, rainy days, and snow is for! Haven't you ever heard of rally racing?? That's where drifting originated, those are REAL drifters."

Lol. I could really care less about the Z or the WRX. I'm just hanging out waiting for the tC...or any info regarding it. As full on car enthusiast, I can talk myself into liking any car, I love studying them all...the tC is just my latest thing.

iono about lots of low end torque cuz the ae86 doesn't have that much low end torque but its still a drift car

The ae86 has a curb weight of 800 lbs. less than an RX-8. And while its peak torque was significantly lower than the RX-8's (110 lb.-ft at 4600 rpm instead of 159 lb.-ft at 5500 rpm), it made torque much lower in the power band.

The people with the Z go love your car...

The people that own the WRX go love your car...

The one that formerly own one of the two, go get a GF...

As for the rest of you, wait for the tC cause you can't afford neither car :D

Lol. I could really care less about the Z or the WRX. I'm just hanging out waiting for the tC...or any info regarding it. As full on car enthusiast, I can talk myself into liking any car, I love studying them all...the tC is just my latest thing.

Yeah, me too. If I had my choice of any car (well, any car under 50K), it'd be a Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6. But in my realistic price range, understanding that I've got a hundred and twenty thousand dollars in college loans coming due in six months, the tC seems like a sure bet.

As for the rest of you, wait for the tC cause you can't afford neither car

That's me, that's me!

Haha, there's some amount of "cheap" in all of us that are looking at a $16k car or this would be called lexusowners.com or ilovemyporsche.net :)

Yeah, my AE86 does make some pretty good torque down low due to the variable intake, much better than my 1.6 miata engine. I was surprised when I first got it. My 1.6 single cam CRX Si even felt peppier than my Miata, but then it was probably the lightest of the bunch, magazine curb weight numbers aside.

The AE86 motor was ahead of its time....20 years ago. I didn't believe it when I heard it put like that, but I'm a believer now.

But it's no F20C, that's for sure.

I have yet to drive a RWD car... Well I drove my friend's MR2 around the block a few times but I never got to play with it...

I wouldn't mind having a AE86 just to learn some basic RWD handling... My friends however all own some sort of RWD car and I've been in many... They don't drive it like a RWD should be driven :D

I am in the #3 section and I need to get up off my ___ and get a GF haha...

As for the rest of you, wait for the tC cause you can't afford neither car

That's me, that's me!

thats me also

I've driven a few RWD cars, for a time or two; the only one I've ever driven with any regularity was a Mustang. It's a heck of a lot better than FWD, I'll tell you that much.

yeah. driving RWD is ALOT better than FWD. if only i can get a 240sx...

Under regular driving I really didn't notice much difference if at all... However I feel extensive understeer with FWD cars while cornering so I do know how that sucks... Torque steer also...

I haven't had a chance to track a RWD car, so that is something I'm still looking for before I save enough for a tC...

RWD cars are a blast - especially in the snow. I use the excuse that I'm "learning how the car handles in adverse conditions so we can be safe" when I'm whipping around corners and loosing the back end.

as for the can't afford neither -
Cars are a waste of money, but you need to get around. Purchasing a tC vs anything (rex just happens to be my alternate, but that could change) has to do with the exceptional value. If I could afford a 45k BMW, I'd still be looking at the tC (and knocking off 25k of a mortgage).

The tC looks like a winner compared to all cars and I squirm because I cant see it in person to make my final assessment. A 17k car that I can feel like a pimp vs a "value-minded comsumer". Sign me up! I finally got my poster from scion today and it just makes it worse!

I finally got my poster from scion today

i want my poster...

I have avoided this since some people here have no idea what they are talking about.

20lbs boost on a WRX? Right. Not gonna happen without HEAVY mods.

WRX handles about as well as a 350Z and about as fast... what is so much more fun?

WRX is NOT 4wd. It is AWD, big difference.

So I am ending this convo, until someone has something intellegent to say about the WRX vs 350Z debate. And one loser said the WRX is not as "practical" as the Z HA HA HA.

Anywho... back on track. The tc. I am considering an automatic, but I dunno.

cant a WRX run with around 14-16 psi with stock internals? i read on a wrx forum once and a few people were running the WRX with that much psi with no problems at all.. i dont know why i posted this. i guess because with a WRX running 14-16psi stock is like a 350z stock. power wise... i dont know

yeah, all you need is a boost guage and then i think you can run 15psi. at least whats what my b/f is running with his.

Heard that both the Rex and the Z have tranny probs. Won't have to worry about that with the tC. :wink:

The boost gauge does nothing but monitor... I think you meant boost controller? I've seen people use MBC to boost it up to 16... I don't know if it's SAFE to do so tho... Anyone claiming it to be safe is BSing... WRXs break under stock conditions... Putting more power into it would only make the inevitable quicker... I've been around i-club and a lot of those people just won't stop and admit sometimes...

oops, yeah, thats what i ment to say, thanks :oops:
If you take the cats off then i believe it's "safer"

Then it becomes illegal... If you're gonna step into that region of modding, then might as well go for the whole shebang :D As for being safer has nothing to do with what breaks I think... If you took out the cats it'll let the car breath easier, but the added torque will break the tranny / drive train... That is the weakest part of the WRX, the owners will tell :D But still, even a MBC can put a WRX above and beyond a lot of cars...

(A MBC is never safe since there is no control... All it does it limit... Unless you're using an electronic boost controller, then you're gonna be risking things regardless...)

whats MBC?

Manual
Boost
Controller

ohh ok. thats what i had in mind but i just wanted to make sure i was right. thanks.

The '02-'04 WRX trannies are weak as hell and completely suck balls. The design is over 20 years old! Nevertheless, for '05 all turbo models are getting what Subaru is calling a "reinforced" tranny (same tranny but with stronger parts and more synchros).

These will be found on the WRX as well as on the new 2.5Lt cars (except STi, of course). The F-XTs were the first to get these trannies and so far so good. I just purchased an F-XT with the 5-speed, so I hope it's all that Subaru promises it is.

Maybe I should test drive a new one... But still, I doubt it'll have the fit and finish that Acura will have... Also with AWD, I'm gonna break it sooner or later LOL...

Maybe I should test drive a new one... But still, I doubt it'll have the fit and finish that Acura will have... Also with AWD, I'm gonna break it sooner or later LOL...

"Breaking" an AWD car is a real possibility, especially the WRX. Hard launches or abusive driving will produce massive stress which is internalized by the AWD system. The system is designed to provide as little wheel-spin as possible, which makes for impressive lanuches but totally destroys your AWD system from the inside out.

Suck-___ Acura FWD vs. True-blue Subaru AWD...Hmmm, the choice is easy.

The '02-'04 WRX trannies are weak as hell and completely suck balls. The design is over 20 years old! Nevertheless, for '05 all turbo models are getting what Subaru is calling a "reinforced" tranny (same tranny but with stronger parts and more synchros).
These will be found on the WRX as well as on the new 2.5Lt cars (except STi, of course). The F-XTs were the first to get these trannies and so far so good. I just purchased an F-XT with the 5-speed, so I hope it's all that Subaru promises it is.

Hey do ya happen to know of a offical source about the "reinforced" tranny one could read up on CofCtC??
I was this close to buy'n a Rex till I heard of the "glass" tranny. If they're beef'n up the tranny I might trade in my Celie in a year. :wink:

The '02-'04 WRX trannies are weak as hell and completely suck balls. The design is over 20 years old! Nevertheless, for '05 all turbo models are getting what Subaru is calling a "reinforced" tranny (same tranny but with stronger parts and more synchros).
These will be found on the WRX as well as on the new 2.5Lt cars (except STi, of course). The F-XTs were the first to get these trannies and so far so good. I just purchased an F-XT with the 5-speed, so I hope it's all that Subaru promises it is.

Hey do ya happen to know of a offical source about the "reinforced" tranny one could read up on CofCtC??
I was this close to buy'n a Rex till I heard of the "glass" tranny. If they're beef'n up the tranny I might trade in my Celie in a year. :wink:

So far, I believe the only official reference to this "reinforced" tranny is under the Leg GT specs on www.need-desire.com

It it widely rumored/believed that this tranny will be found on the '05 WRX. While no official statement has been made about its use in the '04 F-XT, I think some people who have connections within Subaru have confirmed that the 5-speed in the F-XT is indeed the reinforced unit. It better be. That F-XT is laying down gobs more torque than the WRX.

20lbs boost on a WRX? Right. Not gonna happen without HEAVY mods.


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Do you mean not on a bone stock WRX w/just a boost controller? The EJ20T's internals will certainly handle 20psi. However at that point you'd be on a new turbo making ~350awhp. Goodbye tranny. Is a new tranny what you meant by heavy mods? I just wanted to clear up that the stock block would handle it as long as fuel system was tuned.

23 psi, 376awhp, stock block. (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=532128)

cant a WRX run with around 14-16 psi with stock internals? i read on a wrx forum once and a few people were running the WRX with that much psi with no problems at all.. i dont know why i posted this. i guess because with a WRX running 14-16psi stock is like a 350z stock. power wise... i dont know

WRX pushes 14.1 psi bone stock. The stock TD04 turbo is 'efficient' up to around 16-17 psi. If you want to get into the 12's on the stock turbo you need to push it to 19psi (which it sure as hell won't hold until redline, but will still push more air than if it was set at 17), drive it like you stole it, and start saving your pennies for a new turbo.

Those obviously aren't the only mods needed to get you into the 12s, but rather how people run the stock turbo to hit 12s. The WRX will easily hold that psi as long as you add fuel.

As far as 350z vs WRX stock vs stock it's going to be a drivers race in the 1/4. At highway speeds the Z should walk away from a WRX.

14.1psi stock? i've always been told like 9 or something. i guess i'll have to own a WRX to find that out myself.

bump :rofl:

Wow. :rofl:

i shoulda known

haha 4 year old post, bump! we need more infos

:rofl: i love me :rofl:

Dave you strike again. Awesome find. LOL I was seriously readin this like WTF are they talkin about new tC and then I realized halfway down the first page it was from 04'. I was like no wonder LOL. Bump x 1000

lol

We should all PM the OP and ask him if he got the tC.

lol!!

he has 4 posts and his last login was May 25 04 so idk

haha. i was reading it like it was a new post. THen looked at the dates. Geebus :rofl:

^lmao haha same here man

^^ i read 2 pages confused then i was like . 04 rofl

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PM sent.

^LOL let us know the outcome bro.

We should bring a thread back from the dead every-so often for the heck of it. This is pretty funny.

Damn Double post!

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Nothing yet =(

hahaha carbon, i dont think he is gonna respond, :rofl: he hasnt been on this site since he made this thread, thats why i bumped it :rofl:

Yea I know, I was hoping it would send him an email, haha.

a curious wrx owner...does that mean he likes other men?

Hey guys, nice forums you have here.

I am curious about this new tc, infact I would possibly like to get one :)

1.) How do you think it will handle?
2.) Any guess' at 0-60 times? (can it do sub 8 seconds)
3.) Will the supercharger be a "mopar" type of accessory?
4.) Do you think the supercharger will be compatable with the automatic version of this car?

I really like the looks and bang for the buck of this car. How small is it exactly? About the size of an RSX?

Thanks guys!

the 7.3- 7.5 0-60 sounds about right. it is faster than a RX-8! garanteed.
its not gonna take turns as good as the wrx but still its very good- just get some lowering springs and turning improves big time!

it has a supercharger that puts out 200whp (by toyota) but majority of the owners get about 210-215 whp with the s/c. 0-60 get down to like 6.4- 6.8(driver dependent)
and yes, the s/c is compatible with auto tranny.

it truly IS a bang for the buck. especially the 2008 model- comes with standard side airbags, and a rear mounted subwoofer.

their are some rattle problems (depending on the driving conditions- toyota takes care of them pretty good so no worries)

now for the price of a supercharger, you can get a greddy turbo kit that gives you 260- 280 WHEEL hp and 265-285 WHEEL tq at 9psi boost. (manual tranny)

it may not seem much but these no.s are what hit the pavement! my turbo tC gives 260hp/ 275tq and is decently faster than an EVO! STi's are no competition. I've taken an 05 M5 and kept up with a 500hp/500tq SRT-8 charger.

honest to god im not making this up!

... and even after the turbo its a very VERY manageable daily driver.

^ A true fail.

Way to read the thread. ___.

hahahahaha epic lulz

Forums should have a post prevention thing. Where it prevents you from posting in a thread, until you manually load each and every page.

lol what would happen when i want to check the newest post of a 349 pg thread?

^ A true fail.

Way to read the thread. butt.

wow!!! thanks for being so nice bout it. what a gentleman!

f**kin' a$$wipes

Not my fault you failed.

Not my fault you failed.

well my bad for not seeing how much the thread progressed before chippin in my 2 cents...

only if you could ever forgive me... :loser:

hahahahhahahah

watching...*stuffs face full of popcorn* :nails: