OK, im am totally losing it trying to figure out what darn header to get.
I like dc sport because they are a good company.
I like aw becuase they look nice and have a good gain in hp
I like megan becuase they seem to be cheaper
Im not gonna get mmw due to the price $850.00

Which one should i get, rasp is in the back of my mind but not so big of an issue.

Any thoughts?

I have the Megan.... Best Price and good performance...

The gains between them all are hard to really tell... but the alphawerks is beautiful....

Rasp is going to be the same on them all...

For me, it's between MR and Alphawerks... choose your poison.

megan is now 120 shipped so i think you know what to do


if had the cash i would go alphawerks but like i said megan 120 shipped how can you pass that up lol

Thank you, Im gonna see what creative compacts charge for shipping and order it today. again thanks

http://www.ebstores.us/detail.aspx?ID=781


$10 for shipping i know creative compacts is a good company but im going through here so far they seem to be good from what i was told no complaints

How far is it for you to drive there to Creative Compacts? I drive there.. its not bad.. of course I'm in SOMD too.. :) Then you save shipping all together.

WOW 100. For the Megan header that sounds too good to be true.

HUTH05, I have the AW header with the K&N CAI, and it is a lil raspy when i first start the car, but the rasp quiets as I drive. The performance gain is good, I hit 80+ with no problem and it cruise with little to no true noise. I recommend AW, but have heard awesome reviews on the megan header as well.

So, for show and performance-AW
for price and performace- MR

ive been sittin here for 2 days debating if i should order this or not lol but there is a thread in the clasifieds (dont know why its there lol) where some ppl have ordered them and got there tracking number and should recive the headers soon

yea thats a hell of a deal but almost sounds too good to be true.

I just ordered the last aw header from creative compacts. ordered it second day so it should be at my house on friday. will let you know how it sounds with my magnaflow exhuast and zpi s pipe. thanks for the info fellow scioners

To VA from my house is like 3 hours i would just rather pay the shipping. another question, with the zpi s pipe do i have to do the anti fouler thing. someone posted that there is no cel because zpi changed the location of the sensor.

nevermind i did something called reading and answered my own question. Imagine that haha

The DC is great for a long time i had the header on the stock exhaust and only rattle during startup and revving but when cruising you can not hear it. But with the exhaust i have on it now it isnt to bad thanks to the magnaflow resonator.

But great mid range HP and torque. Definately pulls a lot better than before. Hope this helps

i have the megan header along with the s pipe and hks exhaust. performance gains are pretty good in the mid-high range. get's a little raspy on the high end. it looks great under the hood though.

i got my NEW AW header for $137.00 shipped! A steal I know :D

Where did you get it for 137. ?

yeah tell us where? you knew we were gonna ask :tap:

eBay of course!

So what do you guys do when you go to get your smog check with this header? Is there a chance it could actually pass? What about the CAI, do those cause it to fail too?

jegs.com dc sport $289 free shipping... thats where i got mine after the local speed shop tried to charge me $389 for the same header!

Where is everyone getting the megan headers so cheap. The lowest price I've found is 180.

There was a place in the classified area that had them really cheap for a while... don't know if it's still there....

180 is still a decent price for a header setup...

NO offense...but the MR and Alphawerks are cheap because they are low quality...Theres already a thread on here about a header that cracked (one or the other)

DC sports is an AEM owned company, so you pretty much know you're getttin top quality product

the draxas header will be out around feb/march... keep an eye out, im sure you will be impressed

www.draxas.com

If ANY Megan header cracks within the One-Year warranty, it will automatically be replaced after providing a proof-of-purchase. The cases are RARE as I've only heard of a Pin-Hole leak from two people. If after that one year warranty passes.. they will probably give you a REALLY GOOD DEAL on one. Or... so I hear...

audiobahntc said:
NO offense...but the MR and Alphawerks are cheap because they are low quality...Theres already a thread on here about a header that cracked (one or the other)

DC sports is an AEM owned company, so you pretty much know you're getttin top quality product

Sorry, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I saw a thread on a cracked DC header waaaaaay before any threads on cracked AW or MR. :blah:

thats okay, I feel safer takin my chances with a reputable well known AEM company like DC sports as opposed to a relative unknown Jap company like alphawers..IMO

Megan Racing has been good to me.... Love that header

No offense to you WEdrivescions, but IMHO megan racing is REAL cheap stuff.

Price per performance, it's hard to beat.



My megan header arrives friday.

Alphawerks has the best dyno both hp and tq gains. And the thread on a cracked header is b/c they didn't use the support brackets on the bottom! I had my AW Header on my car over 10,000 and no issues with cracks.

Alphawerks has the best dyno both hp and tq gains. And the thread on a cracked header is b/c they didn't use the support brackets on the bottom! I had my AW Header on my car over 10,000 and no issues with cracks.

Its ridiculously easy to fake/alter/manipulate dynographs. This is why most pro tuners don't go looking around on ebay for the CHeapest parts they can find...They go with the proven, reputable company with the best track record.

Its not about price/performance, well at least it SHOULD be about Quality.

Megan and Alphawerks=Low
Dc Sports/AEM =High

Here's the catch, how many of us are pro tuners?


I'm all about bang-for-buck. IF the megan header cracks, it'll get replaced by another.

Here's the catch, how many of us are pro tuners?


I'm all about bang-for-buck. IF the megan header cracks, it'll get replaced by another.

I hear ya (bang for buck) but that also spells hassle (eg. when it cracks and you have to order a new one, wait for it come in, be without yur car while its installed! etc...)

BtW, my best friend is a pro tuner...I'm def not....but i still know whats good.

Alphawerks has the best dyno both hp and tq gains. And the thread on a cracked header is b/c they didn't use the support brackets on the bottom! I had my AW Header on my car over 10,000 and no issues with cracks.

Its ridiculously easy to fake/alter/manipulate dynographs. This is why most pro tuners don't go looking around on ebay for the CHeapest parts they can find...They go with the proven, reputable company with the best track record.

Its not about price/performance, well at least it SHOULD be about Quality.

Megan and Alphawerks=Low
Dc Sports/AEM =High

That's funny I had a dc sports header once and it cracked on me. And about the dyno this was done by companies that had no affiliation with any of the manufacturers! One company did dyno test on all of these parts, I am not going off of the manufacturers site!

AARONTRINI85..... where is the megan header 150 shipped? i cant find that anywhere...

I've had my Megan header for 6 months now and even in the frigid Chicago weather I have no problems. I think it's the best sounding header by far and the power improvement was easily felt.

I'm not sure why everyone questions the quality, it sure seems good to me.

Megan racing and alphawerks are just widely considered to be 2nd tier companies. Maybe they make decent headers for the tc...but my point still stands.

audiobahntc, get a life

Buying Megan racing is like putting APC stickers on your car... there are just some things you should never do.

Regards,

B

I installed a megan header on my stock TC two weeks ago... it keeps getting better sound as time pases... very quiet and the gains are very noticeable... perfect fit.

Seems to be good quality stuff.... :clap: for Megan Racing, maybe is not a recognized company, but hey! give them a chance... they are doing a good job so far...

All companys start off as no name brands, it's the product that gets them any where.

All companys start off as no name brands, it's the product that gets them any where.

Very good point!

I love my Megan Racing Header..... It's the best header for a good exhaust note IMHO and is very beautiful....

I've had my megan racing header for about 30 hours now.


Adding a header is like night and day for a tC. Very noticible gains. With stock exhaust, there's a very slight rasp, but it sounds mean as hell. I've gotten several compliments already from random kids at stoplights.

Buying Megan racing is like putting APC stickers on your car... there are just some things you should never do.

Regards,

B

Agreed! Also...audiobahn tc is pretty on point too.

if you havent had the megan headers for the tc put on your car, how can u talk bad about them?

i am pretty sure that i read on this forum that the megan headers were causing a problem? like part of the cat or a built in cat or something was breaking apart and falling loose into the s-pipe/midpipe?

does that still happen??

I've totally told myself that i wanted an intake and exhaust, period... but i keep reading / researching into headers :-/

i am pretty sure that i read on this forum that the megan headers were causing a problem? like part of the cat or a built in cat or something was breaking apart and falling loose into the s-pipe/midpipe?

does that still happen??

I've totally told myself that i wanted an intake and exhaust, period... but i keep reading / researching into headers :-/

That was with the first models. They have since removed the cat from the header and that problem was solved.

i think i may order the megan header....


Some people say wait for awhile while others come out, but what company would be worth waiting for? clearly the header offers the biggest bang for your NA buck.

^ Amen to that.

I have been reviewing headers for a while now and I think the Megan header is by far the best for the money. You are not going to feel or even use an extra 1hp. As far as quality goes it seems to me that most if not all people who have bought the Megan header like it. If you don't have a Megan header how could you possibly say it isn't of high quality? Where can I get a Megan header and what is the best price out there? I saw the link for them on the first page but is that an actual Megan. I am kind of skeptical when purchasing name brands from Ebay.

^^^
ditto on that "where is the best place to get a megan header"

I got my exhaust for 360 at ptuning.com... thats an amazing deal considering it is like 450-500 now. But, i cant find anything like that for megan headers :-)

Best I've seen currently is 180, but they did drop for a little while to REALLY cheap.... best is to froogle it.

Let me put in my 2 cents here since I am familiar with all the companies being referred to and sell all 3 headers: Megan / Alphawerks / DC Sports.


1) for quite a while Megan was considered by many to be a low-quality company that just copied parts other people had already made. As time has gone on however, they have released more and more quality parts on a consistant basis. They just showed me the big brake kit they have now for the 350Z, and the new exhaust for the IS350. They are making a name for themselves and their parts have gotten better and better.

2) I have sold far more Alphawerks headers than the DC and Megan combined. People love that thing. No complaints, but at the same time a lot of people do not support Alphawerks but only because of parts they had previously released for other cars. From what I have heard, their line of headers is the best thing they got going.

3) DC Sports is not AEM. They got bought by AEM. if you take all the well known manufacturers and break them up into "High Quality" and "Low Quality", DC ranks either at the top of the low-quality or the bottom of the high-quality companies out there. Not as good as HKS, better than Invidia for example.

4) The DC headers that have been known to crack the most are the Stainless Steel line. In my 8 years of selling DC parts I have never had 1 customer buy a ceramic header and have it crack. Thats not to say it cant / hasnt happened at all, but none of my customers have ever complained- and thats literally 100's of DC parts I've sold.

5) Dyno results cant be trusted. Companies lie (oh the tC produces 160HP stock? sure it does). By the time HP is rated at the wheels you are talking very very small gains. plus people get HP confused with torque. They feel a little push and think the car is putting out all these extra ponies, which is not always true.

so what is my own conclusion? well, you do usually get what you pay for, but Megans header just may be an exception to the rule. They did well by coming out with a version 2, and giving people new headers that had problems with the original.

For those that want to be all purdy though, the AW header has sold the best and gotten the absolute best reviews. More money, but many would say worth it.

the DC I wouldnt suggest, but thats just me. I lost respect when they came out with a 799 axle-back exhaust. GReddy and HKS whoop their azz.

also: last I heard Megan had contacted the guy selling the header on Ebay and told him to raise the price. That guy was low-balling the market big time. So you may not be able to find that price anymore.

i know this isnt an s-pipe thread but... what about the megan s-pipe? if i can remember people have had problems with way it fits. have your customers had any problems?

The O2 sensor isn't defauler friendly on the s-pipe, that's why I shy'd away from it....

i know this isnt an s-pipe thread but... what about the megan s-pipe? if i can remember people have had problems with way it fits. have your customers had any problems?


no complaints about any S-Pipes and I have in fact sold several. Keep in mind though that all the S-Pipes I have sold were installed with the Megan exhaust and a few with the Megan header too. I am still unsure about fitment issues with the AW header.

No complaints installing it solely with the other OE parts, unless there is a thread going on here saying otherwise that I havent seen yet.

Let me put in my 2 cents here since I am familiar with all the companies being referred to and sell all 3 headers: Megan / Alphawerks / DC Sports.


1) for quite a while Megan was considered by many to be a low-quality company that just copied parts other people had already made. As time has gone on however, they have released more and more quality parts on a consistant basis. They just showed me the big brake kit they have now for the 350Z, and the new exhaust for the IS350. They are making a name for themselves and their parts have gotten better and better.

2) I have sold far more Alphawerks headers than the DC and Megan combined. People love that thing. No complaints, but at the same time a lot of people do not support Alphawerks but only because of parts they had previously released for other cars. From what I have heard, their line of headers is the best thing they got going.

3) DC Sports is not AEM. They got bought by AEM. if you take all the well known manufacturers and break them up into "High Quality" and "Low Quality", DC ranks either at the top of the low-quality or the bottom of the high-quality companies out there. Not as good as HKS, better than Invidia for example.

4) The DC headers that have been known to crack the most are the Stainless Steel line. In my 8 years of selling DC parts I have never had 1 customer buy a ceramic header and have it crack. Thats not to say it cant / hasnt happened at all, but none of my customers have ever complained- and thats literally 100's of DC parts I've sold.

5) Dyno results cant be trusted. Companies lie (oh the tC produces 160HP stock? sure it does). By the time HP is rated at the wheels you are talking very very small gains. plus people get HP confused with torque. They feel a little push and think the car is putting out all these extra ponies, which is not always true.

so what is my own conclusion? well, you do usually get what you pay for, but Megans header just may be an exception to the rule. They did well by coming out with a version 2, and giving people new headers that had problems with the original.

For those that want to be all purdy though, the AW header has sold the best and gotten the absolute best reviews. More money, but many would say worth it.

the DC I wouldnt suggest, but thats just me. I lost respect when they came out with a 799 axle-back exhaust. GReddy and HKS whoop their azz.

also: last I heard Megan had contacted the guy selling the header on Ebay and told him to raise the price. That guy was low-balling the market big time. So you may not be able to find that price anymore.

That is some great info.... Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

WeDriveScions - Does your megan throw a CEL ? ive read all about the anti fouler and just want to make sure it is a successful mod for megan header w/o precat.

Yep.... but the antifouler mod fixed it right up and haven't had an issue since! YEA!

3) DC Sports is not AEM. They got bought by AEM. if you take all the well known manufacturers and break them up into "High Quality" and "Low Quality", DC ranks either at the top of the low-quality or the bottom of the high-quality companies out there. Not as good as HKS, better than Invidia for example.

5) Dyno results cant be trusted. Companies lie (oh the tC produces 160HP stock? sure it does). By the time HP is rated at the wheels you are talking very very small gains. plus people get HP confused with torque. They feel a little push and think the car is putting out all these extra ponies, which is not always true.


the DC I wouldnt suggest, but thats just me. I lost respect when they came out with a 799 axle-back exhaust. GReddy and HKS whoop their azz.



Good post. But DC shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as AW Megan or Invidia. DC is an AEM company, which basically translates to quality. I'd say DC is on the same level as INjen. NOt HKS or greddy, but quality nonetheless.

Hopefully now with the new SAE HP rating system we won't see inflated power claims by manufacturers anymore.

I got my DC axle-back exhaust for 380. The rep at dc said they made it an axle back because the tc's cat is actually conjoined to the pipe that connects to the rear section of the exhaust. To avoid any cutting/welding at the cat, they made it a rear section, but its dyno tested and they found they they didn't gain any power by making it a cat back.

i think for me right now i kind of feel:

DC sports VS Megan

MMW = WAY overpriced... AlphaWerks = Why

Megan look nicer in the engine bay IMHO!

AlphaWerks = Why

Because it makes the more power than both the Megan and the DC sports , that's why :silly:

And more rasp.... LoL

And more rasp.... LoL

Not on my car. You gotta know how to setup an exhaust system. Resonators work wonders. The Meagan Racing header is raspy as hell period. My friend has one on his car. I don't know how he drives around like that.

I run the PM axleback with no rasp while instigator had to run resonators with his alphawerks... no biggy to do, but still raspier for some reason

Just my .02...

I Bought the megan header V2 back in early dec., installed it, and didnt like it what so ever. got rid of it. Bought the DC Sports header, alittle better, but didnt like that header either. Sold that one to someone, and 2 nights ago i ordered my MMW header and awaiting that one to see how i like it. I was going to try the AW, but i said screw it and went all out. Ill give you all a review when it comes in.

whats the specs on your 'custom' exhaust. maybe that has something to do with why you've been dissatisfied with the 2 previous headers. Is it a SOUND issue, Whocares05050??

whats the specs on your 'custom' exhaust. maybe that has something to do with why you've been dissatisfied with the 2 previous headers. Is it a SOUND issue, Whocares05050??

I was about to ask the same thing...

I'm not too worried about sound... I have the Greddy SP2, and i'll get a resonator if necessary.

On saturday I installed the Greddy axel back exhaust, Alphawerks header,Creative S-pipe, and Umnitza carbon fiber intake on my friends brand new Nautical blue TC and the exhaust note was sweet. No rasp at all at any rpm. If I was keeping my TC / I would switch to that exhaust setup. I love the way his car sounds.

Installed the megan header last week...

I have zero exhaust mods otherwise, and it's pretty raspy. Slightly noticible in the cabin at full-weight, and very noticible after all the seats and interior removed.

Around town, I barely use 20% throttle, and it only rasps at 50% or higher. The interstate is the same, it's only loud when you give it a little push.

I will be buying a resonator soon, but don't let the fear of rasp stop you from buying a header. It really isn't THAT bad for the time being (actually sounds pretty aggressive outsdie of the car), but eventually, you'll want a resonator.

i think a lot of the rasp at high RPMS is just due to the fact that the 2az really RIPS at higher RPMS. Even stock, when u rev up above 4k, that motors really growling and snortin...a header/exhaust only exacerbates/amplifies the sound.

has anyone ever gotten a ticket for having headers? or have a dealership refuse to do any work at all on it?

Depends on where you live if you'd get a ticket... in Cali, it's possible, and possibly in a few other states, but here in OR, it's never seen...

My local dealership loves it.... Now, If it really screwed up an engine component or burnt out a cat or something, I'm sure they'd be hesitant to do warranty work on that specific piece, but they'd do work on my engine no problem if neccesary.

On saturday I installed the Greddy axel back exhaust, Alphawerks header,Creative S-pipe, and Umnitza carbon fiber intake on my friends brand new Nautical blue TC and the exhaust note was sweet. No rasp at all at any rpm. If I was keeping my TC / I would switch to that exhaust setup. I love the way his car sounds.

Was that the Greddy EVO or the Greddy SP2? I have the SP2 so this is potentially very, very good news :love:

On saturday I installed the Greddy axel back exhaust, Alphawerks header,Creative S-pipe, and Umnitza carbon fiber intake on my friends brand new Nautical blue TC and the exhaust note was sweet. No rasp at all at any rpm. If I was keeping my TC / I would switch to that exhaust setup. I love the way his car sounds.

Was that the Greddy EVO or the Greddy SP2? I have the SP2 so this is potentially very, very good news :love:

I have almost that same setup. All together it sounds good once the car warms up.

just to let you guys know, creative compacts is selling MMW headers now for $680. it is still overpriced but one can only hope that as time goes by the price will drop even more. i heard somewhere that alphawerks was like $600 when it first came out too. i think if MMW gets down to about $500 that is a good price and i would buy it at that. i just think it is a very good looking header and is supposed to put out more power than AW. plus it comes with the s-pipe which is why i think $500 is a fair price. AW header ($299) + CC s-pipe ($150) = $450. so come on MMW, lower your price to around or under $500 and i think you will make a lot more money because a lot more people will buy your product. i know i would. :pray: :silly: :pray:

on another note, if you are willing to wait a little while longer you might want to look into the draxas header that is coming out. once that does than draxas will have a full header back exhaust system which might sound really nice when put together.

and sure megan might be best bang for your buck but i dont think you can go wrong with the alpawerks header. and imo people only want the dc one because of the name. i never heard anyone really talk good about it... or bad for that matter. it is a reputable company. so there you go. if you want price, buy megan. if you want name brand, buy dc. and if you want power, buy alphawerks. or you can do what i am doing and wait for Draxas to release theirs and see what its like or wait for MMW to drop the price. :lalala:

do you have to use an antifouler mod no matter what header?? even MMW ?

I'm 99.8 Percent sure that YES in your answer.

whats the specs on your 'custom' exhaust. maybe that has something to do with why you've been dissatisfied with the 2 previous headers. Is it a SOUND issue, Whocares05050??

Sound is not that much of an issue at all, I just thought that the 2 headers i purchased would look a little more decent. IMHO, they looked like $hit under the hood.

On saturday I installed the Greddy axel back exhaust, Alphawerks header,Creative S-pipe, and Umnitza carbon fiber intake on my friends brand new Nautical blue TC and the exhaust note was sweet. No rasp at all at any rpm. If I was keeping my TC / I would switch to that exhaust setup. I love the way his car sounds.

Was that the Greddy EVO or the Greddy SP2? I have the SP2 so this is potentially very, very good news :love:

I have almost that same setup. All together it sounds good once the car warms up.

Greddy SP2

whats the specs on your 'custom' exhaust. maybe that has something to do with why you've been dissatisfied with the 2 previous headers. Is it a SOUND issue, Whocares05050??

Sound is not that much of an issue at all, I just thought that the 2 headers i purchased would look a little more decent. IMHO, they looked like $hit under the hood.

Dude..its only an exhaust header. what do u want it to "look" like? Headers are supposed to make power (a little, not FI #s) and "look" better than stock. I don't understand what else you're lookin for? If want want "show quality" looks under the hood get a turbo kit or the trd sc and dress up the engine bay w/ paint trd stuff, grounding kit, etc... A header is just a header. If someone GAVE me the alphawerks or megan header I'd probably run it.

It's extremely rare that looks and performance go hand in hand.


The ariel atom is little more than a tube frame and an engine, yet it can destroy cars costing 50 times its price.

I have a megan header for sale if anyone is interested. $120 for local pick up. Never been installed, still in the box.

if ur willing to ship we could maybe work out a deal

I'll have to check into it. I'm getting ready to leave on a cruise, so I'll try and check into it before I leave if not, I'll respond in a few days when i get back.

alright sounds good. have fun on that cruise....wish i could get a break from work to go on one myself

Watch the classifieds in threads guys......

Everyone who's ever seen my engine loves the way it looks and always comment on the nice bronze header tubes just staring back at them.... Alphawerks or Megan IMHO are the best option for the combo of looks/performane.... which to some is VERY important....

ok guys... i seriously got a 3,500 dollar bonus at work today... since i want to keep my car NA, i am DEFINITELY buying a header...

and with this level of a bonus, money isnt really much of an object....

So heres my question: If you could rub a fat genie's belly and get a DC sports, megan, or alphawerks header... which one would you pick??

i'm thinking i want to go megan just because they have probably the least amount of rasp. this is after all my daily driver.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance. WeDriveScions - im especially curious in your opinion :-)

Thanks!!!

MMW, money no object

Based on what I know about DC, its reputation for quality products, and the fact that it IS an AEM company...I'd get the DC.

However, I've heard many people say good things about the alphawerks. but IMO, its a two-bit unknown company that rigged its dynocharts to trick tc kids into buying the header. But I guess this many people cant be wrong rite?

MMW, money no object

:wink:

Mine will be here next week, I hope, :pray:

why is the MMW (monster?) so friggin expensive. What does it gain like 75 horses?? ;)

i think i really like the megan header....

If i decide to go that route, do i still have to worry about the version with the pre-cat?

Or have they pretty much got them all replaced.... Like if i were to order from Creative compacts or something, would they possibly have some V1 megans in stock?

Order from ebstores.us. They sell the megan header (v2) for 180 plus shipping. Their shipping costs are low too. I just got mine the other day, and am waiting on an E7 Torx socket so I can remove the heat shield.

I have nothing but good things to say about my AW header...especailly now that I have replaced the stock resonator with a 30" Magnaflow unit. It looks fantastic under the hood and adds more power than the others included in the GSC/Killer tC idependent dyno test (MMW was not included). It seems that there is rasp with all headers but some have better luck than others. Mine was raspy buy it wasnt that bad really. I have a video of my car before the new resonator and you can hear the rasp I had around the 1:20 second mark. Its really not bad but I still didnt like it.

CLICK FOR VIDEO (http://socalpcguy.com/images/Instigators_tC_Hi_Res.wmv)

This is an old pic with my K&N intake but you can see how nive it looks under the hood:

http://www.socalpcguy.com/images/headersmall1.JPG

Just know that whatever header/exhaust combo you have, it can sound good with the addition of a resonator. I will be trying a TRD exhaust with my setup in the next week or so and will report back how it sounds. As of now with the stock exhaust and Magnaflow resonator my car sounds stock except for the intake.

i actually think your car sounds pretty sweet in that vid... almost swings me towards buying AW header...


I was wondering too... does anybody know if the DC header is still prone to rust? I can't make up my mind!!! DC / Megan / Alphawerks... i keep going back and forth.

the dc is ceramic coated...so not rusting

the dc is ceramic coated...so not rusting

wrong the dc's ceramic coating has been known to crack and rust develop under the surface. This has happened to several owners. Either get the AW or wait for a better design that is cheaper than the rip off that is MW.