ZPIracing has been working (between opening gifts and eating lots of food) on getting the FMIC setup for the TRD S/C. We decided to do something a little bit different on the SC car than on the Turbo Car..

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/scfmic/IMG_1077.sized.jpg

Ok, so I know what you're saying.. A FMIC on a tC never seen that before. I know.. right?

However, the best part is under the bumper cover. :D

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/scfmic/IMG_1079.sized.jpg

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/scfmic/IMG_1082.sized.jpg

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/scfmic/IMG_1080.sized.jpg

That's right, With the use of a smaller IC, we were able to retain the core support and there was no trimming to the bumper required. This will also reduce the cost to the end user, while still giving you the ZPI quality you'd expect.

We hope to finalize the piping shortly.. More Info is forth coming.

w0rd

and you get to keep your OEM fog lights

and you get to keep your OEM fog lights

It'll be a tight squeeze, but yes, I think it'll work. :)

im getting dizzy everytime I look at that last picture :rofl:

Sorry. Low batteries, couldn't use the flash.

dibs on first one...

Awesome! Ok ZPI, I know that its way too early to talk about pricing, but I just wanted a ball park figure of what it might cost. This intercooler kit comes with a supercharger intake, correct? I remember someone saying that it comes with the kit. I understand this kit won't be cheap, but I want an idea so I know how soon I need to start saving. Are we talking 500-700?700-1000? perhaps > 1000?

How about you start saving now...and when it comes out you can buy it and buy me one too? =D

u guys figure how to clock the sc yet?
looks good, me like

Is there a different intercooler that is small enough to fit with out modifying the bumper and core support yet also fills in the lower grill opening more? I like the idea of an i/c that doesn't require trimming the bumper. However, I wish it filled in the opening a bit more. It looks kinda puny, similar to the lunchbox intercooler on the new mazda speed miata

this core is actually about 3 times as large as the miata core i would guess. our plan is to hopefully offer this kit for people wishing to retain their bumper support, fog lights, and dont want to trim the bumper, and then another, perhaps "stage 2" kit that utilizes a much larger core, but would require the removal or cutting of the bumper support as well as trimming of the bumper.

doesnt a bigger intercooler produce more power?

It looks kinda puny, similar to the lunchbox intercooler on the new mazda speed miata

Man that hurts.. :)

Look at the MSM stock IC vs Flyin Miata's upgraded one..

http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/installation_photos/IMG_6216.jpg

It looks kinda puny, similar to the lunchbox intercooler on the new mazda speed miata

Man that hurts.. :)

Look at the MSM stock IC vs Flyin Miata's upgraded one..

http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/installation_photos/IMG_6216.jpg

Come on Nester,
You know I meant no harm in that. LOL I have been on ZPIs side since day one. I love what you guys are doing for the tC community. I am looking forward to buying this kit. I am just nit picking. But seriously, if you guys could find another i/c that fits and fills in the opening more, that would be great. Perhaps the same height but a bit wider. The one from your turbo kit but shorter would be awesome. Anyway, just a suggestion.

how much power are we looking at with the intercooler and intake???

doesnt a bigger intercooler produce more power?

No. The idea behind an intercooler is to use the smallest intercooler that will effectively cool your incoming charge of air.

A supercharger, being driven from a belt will generate less heat than a turbo which is driven by the exhaust gas..

Come on Nester,
You know I meant no harm in that. LOL

I was playing too. :)

I apologize if I offended anyone with that miata i/c comment. None was intended. So ZPI, I posted up top about pricing. Can you tell us anything?

awesome but it would look better if it filled the gap more but happy if it does not require the removal of the front support or trimming of the front bumper.

what he said

i think once we get some piping mocked up on the car and can snap some pics it will fill in some of that void you guys are seeing. stay tuned.

Sweet. I appreciate you guys taking customer feedback into consideration. I was thinking something like having the end tanks closer to the left and right edges of the lower grill.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2889/intercooler7ko.png (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks for listening

It looks kinda puny, similar to the lunchbox intercooler on the new mazda speed miata

Man that hurts.. :)

Look at the MSM stock IC vs Flyin Miata's upgraded one..

http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/installation_photos/IMG_6216.jpgi :rofl: :rofl:

Sweet. I appreciate you guys taking customer feedback into consideration. I was thinking something like having the end tanks closer to the left anf right edges of the lower grill.

we were going to go with another core that was slightly wider and would accomodate that, but with longer width generally comes more height and the core was sticking below the bumper which looked like crapola. sooooooo, we could have a custom core made that would be wider but retain the current height, only problem with doing custom things like that is we run into higher cost, and im sure you know, higher cost for us equals higher cost for you which sucks for everyone! :P

Did you see my edited post above? It gives you an idea of what I am talking about

yeah, thats what i was talking about as well. we have another core here that fills that area perfectly, but its 3 inches taller and hangs below the bumper. hte only alternative would be to have a custom core designed, but as i said, cost becomes an issue. ill try and get some pipes on with some pictures so you guys can see what it looks like with piping filling that area. itll give you a better idea of what the finished product would look like.

Ok cool. I suppose if its gonna cost that much more than it isn't worth it. Obviously I wanted the best price possible. Any word on the progress of the supercharger intake? And the pricing of the whole kit?

we havent really come up with a price yet, because it will depend on the amount of bends required and we havent set a final pipe design. the kit will include the FMIC, intake, and a mini battery kit though. of course, we'll offer the intake seperately for sale for those not wanting the FMIC.

Wow! The kit coming with intercooler, intake and battery kit, I don't expect it to be a cheap kit. But well worth it I'm sure

sorry for the question
But will you need the mini batt kit with the i/c? Or is that just to free up room thanks

I am a noob at this so dont flame me,

Can we get a IC in black? I have a BSP and I dont know if I like the look.

unfortunately, due to the location of the supercharger and the room it takes up, the mini battery kit will be necessary. however, they are not expensive at all and it wont increase the price very much at all.

we could definitely powdercoat the pipes black for you if you wanted, although there would be an additional charge to do so.

Sweet. I appreciate you guys taking customer feedback into consideration. I was thinking something like having the end tanks closer to the left and right edges of the lower grill.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2889/intercooler7ko.png (http://imageshack.us)

Thanks for listening

What does everyone think about this design?

i like the current version zpi is going with, i have the factory fogs and really don't wanna give them up.

Is there a possibility to make an intercooler like this? Have the pipes run through the core supports, if avail..(your pic is dark)
http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/a3/4a/68_12.JPG

hiding the pipes is what i like to see...

Also, Bar and Plate or Tube & Fin intercooler?

All I know is that ZPI deserves major props in the Scion Community! :bow: Can't wait to see the end product. I can't wait until this Spring/Summer!!! :nails:

waiting for the end product and the results.

Is there a possibility to make an intercooler like this? Have the pipes run through the core supports, if avail..(your pic is dark)
http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/a3/4a/68_12.JPG

hiding the pipes is what i like to see...

Also, Bar and Plate or Tube & Fin intercooler?

there is enough space back there for that kind of intercooler, but that endcap design doesnt exactly perform that great in terms of airflow. Why? The right corners make voids and turbulent areas. You want to keep things as smooth as possible and voids like that just make more lag.

Thats what im using on my DSM and I have no problems putting down 400whp on my 50trim... A supercharged scion should be able to work off that core design very well.

For those of us that buy just the intake will you have the intercooler for sale by itself as well?

That's right, With the use of a smaller IC, we were able to retain the core support and there was no trimming to the bumper required. This will also reduce the cost to the end user, while still giving you the ZPI quality you'd expect.

We hope to finalize the piping shortly.. More Info is forth coming.

thank you for listening.

I want performance with out the fear of totalling my car on a 5mph hit just coz i dont have bumper supports/foams/etc.

can we get a ballpark $$$$ ? im broke. i need to know if im going to eat tommorow ?

We hope to finalize the piping shortly.. More Info is forth coming.

bieng awake when everybody should be sleeping i have a question

what are the plans with the stock bpv ? since you said its bolt-on for the enduser; will u be using a universal flange with a 1" adapter to fit the bpv so owners will have the option on running branded bpv/bov/5050's such as greddy/turboxs/hks/etc ?

I too would one day like to put a BOV on my s/c tC

Yo, that's looking good guys. I will be back up there sometime in mid Jan. to get the tint re-done on the sinde windows, and take a gander at that S/C. Keep up the good work.

This is exciting! I am interested in possibly buying intake seperate from IC and adding theIC when I can. It all depends on price.

We hope to finalize the piping shortly.. More Info is forth coming.

bieng awake when everybody should be sleeping i have a question

what are the plans with the stock bpv ? since you said its bolt-on for the enduser; will u be using a universal flange with a 1" adapter to fit the bpv so owners will have the option on running branded bpv/bov/5050's such as greddy/turboxs/hks/etc ?

YES and NO we are actually working with some Forge to use there BPY or Racing valves with our kit. You will be able to use the stock piece or a upgrade valve option...

nice, cant wait man, so anxious.

As long as you can make the S/C have some noise to it, everyboddy it seems wants a BOV or a whine...

you will definitely get noise out of the Forge, especially if you are running more than 7 psi...paired with an intake it will be noticable between shifts outside of the car.

Is it possible to have the SC and the FMIC and still keep a low-profile engine sound?

I'm seriously considering the SC and anything that would add a few ponies under the hood (pullies, FMIC) would be nice as well, but I'd really like to make my tC look and sound like a total sleeper.

This kit sounds good to me. I'd like to keep my factory fog lights. I can't wait to see the final product.

Please oh please keep the current design of the FMIC. Bigger isn't always better and Different = more expensive. Besides, I have the Factory Fogs.

I kinda like the small FMIC, it's to the point and we get to keep everything OEM underneath that bumper (almost). Putting the Scion tC on the map... one day and more parts @ a time!

Is it possible to have the SC and the FMIC and still keep a low-profile engine sound?

I'm seriously considering the SC and anything that would add a few ponies under the hood (pullies, FMIC) would be nice as well, but I'd really like to make my tC look and sound like a total sleeper.

This kit sounds good to me. I'd like to keep my factory fog lights. I can't wait to see the final product.

its already quiet. if you want to be sleeper all the way, painting the ic black would be nice too. injen offers ic in black i believe

my question is warranty?

I have always painted IC black on the front, polish the tops, looks good at shows, sleeper on the way there:)

I also prefer recirc BOVs and Waste gates without open dump.

I want to have power for the fun of using it which you can get away with more if not so loud or standing out;)

Rick

Rick

I know i sound stupid asking but i dont kno anything about superchargers, but if u intercool will we be able to boost more wit a new pulley on stock internals??? sorry for stupid question :( spank me somebody SPANK ME!!!

I know i sound stupid asking but i dont kno anything about superchargers, but if u intercool will we be able to boost more wit a new pulley on stock internals??? sorry for stupid question :( spank me somebody SPANK ME!!!

you would actually loose x amount of pressure after aftercooling it. this is because it will take more effort to pressurized the pipings aside from other factors.

as far as stock internals i dont know how much it can hold, but in reference you can look at jotechs tC just to get an idea what it takes to get X amount of power from the engine.

on the 9psi that our pullies offer you will be safe on the stock internals. The intercooler only adds to that safety region.

at how psi does the intercooler is actually needed. like around 12-13psi ??? and also i believe that yall "ZPI" have low compression pistons,would that be all u need to lower your compression, or would you have to get other stuff or will your pistons work right along with all the other internals. thanks for listening to my stupidity by the way :)

oh and also how many psi could we puch at how much WHP???

Update whenever just want to know the progress of the kit

bump for a great product from a great company

We'll have more info soon. We've been busy working on customer's cars.. and the holidays.. and yeah.. You get the idea.

More soon!!!

sooner please.

Let me know when i can order it.. oh and polished piping as an option? :P

Also, from the pics, it looks like you clocked the sc so its pointing up towards the hood.. is that how its going to be?

We'll have more info soon. We've been busy working on customer's cars.. and the holidays.. and yeah.. You get the idea.

More soon!!!

:come:

is there an expected date on when this product will hit the dyno? ...also ....does anybody know why the liquid cooled cooler didnt sound like a better option then the FMIC

is there an expected date on when this product will hit the dyno? ...also ....does anybody know why the liquid cooled cooler didnt sound like a better option then the FMIC

The air to water intercooler setups just add a lot of complexity.. you end up with a radiator to mount to the front of the car, then your intercoooler.. so you pipe the air charge through the intercoooler, then you run water lines to a pump, then lines to the radiator, and then back to the intercooler... then you need wiring for the pump, thermostats, etc...

Lot of stuff to make, break, and fabricate.. The only advantage i've seen to those is the extremely short charge piping..

sounds complicated. FMIC is okay with me.

are their any more details that we the public can get on this product or has all already been said? ..... ( i wanna know more guys .....feed meee)

bump... whats going on ZPI???

:tap: :tap: :tap:

just watchin.... :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:

update?

Okay guys we are just going to be honest…we need to know what something like this is worth to you. We have been trying and trying but to get this the way that we like it will include an intake, mini battery kit, FMIC but there is no way we can get this to you for under a grand.

The Scion community has been good to us so we are just going to ask. Is there enough interest out there for a $1200ish FMIC kit if it includes a intake. Mind you this will be a rather lengthy install also. Let us know we are up for suggestions. If you all think this is to much we will pursue it from a different angle maybe air to water.

We should have the TRD intakes shipping very soon. Stay tuned to ZPIracing.net for details.

Thanks

i would pay for it. As long as its top notch, which it'll be coming from you guys. Any update pics yet?

ZPI,
Is the TRD intake just a pipe mandrel bent to the shape of the U-hose on the TRD kit, with a filter at the end? What kind of gains do you expect of the s/c tC? Did you guys dyno it already?

IMO I would like a top mount air to water intercooler, or even just a top mount air to air intercooler close to that of the WRX and a nice vented hood to match! But, thats just me!

air to water is not so harmfull, pwr makes some barrel cores are they possible to fit?

Top mount would be nice.. but would it fit?

the one on that pink tC seemed to fit.

Around $1000 seems resonable to me if it's including the I/C, the Battery Kit, and the Intake, especially if this is the setup that will produce the most power. For those of us that can't afford this all at one time though will you be selling the parts seperate, like will the intake your getting ready to sell now work with the intercooler later? And how much power could we expect from the Front Mount with the Intake, is there any idea yet?

I would like to know as well

That 1200 seems pretty reasonable for a complete front mount IC kit with an intake and battery kit. Basically 3-in-1 type of dealio.

I concur.

I agree that $1,200 sounds reasonable if the gains are substantial. I would most likely have to buy the parts seperately though. I'm dyin for a real intake for my beloved!

i think after you post what the gains are ...then people will be able to make up their minds on what is worth it and what isnt.

i second that

I would like to see the barrel IC water cooled kit in play that sciondad used. If it was 85% effective for less cost?

I guess what would help the most is if you can give us any estimates on power gains from the front mount or its alternatives

Hey ZPI, it appears Sound Performance is using the same intercooler on their turbo kit as you guys are planning to use for the TRD s/c. Check out their thread for their turbo kit

1st i rather have a air to air then a water to air. had that in the altrac and isit 1200 for fmic, intake and mini battery kit too? if it let me know im up for it but.... not until end of the year just got my tc and need to get my sc 1st but i already plan everything out... thanks zpi

1200's not a bad price but only if it comes with the i/c piping as well. Is it possible for you to figure out the power gains at a stock s/c setting with the i/c as well as your pulley kit. Cuz if I were to buy it i would also buy the pulley kit. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what i would get for my money if i were buy it and put it on a s/c 'er with stock settings.

bump for ZPI :clap:

Ok its Feb 1st and ZPI said they were going to release the TRD supercharger intake today

wheres it at ZPI?

BUMP I most definately would buy the kit for 1200 bucks! Open it up for the public and I will place my order within 3 days. Keep up the good work ZPI.

hey zpi, or more specifically "Kenny" this is a question for you. You told me on the phone about this kit and said something about an 11 psi pulley. Woud you include that in the kit, or possiblie selling those aloe. I just remember you telling me about that on the phone. I was the guy that called about the refash problem and maybe solutinos you had. My friend and I couldnt find a boost leak so i guess the reflash was bad, so my dealership is gonna reflash it AGAIN for me. So yea, whats up with the 11 psi pulley you told me about?

any updates on this package ZPI? your last post on the thread was a while ago........

i would pay for it. As long as its top notch, which it'll be coming from you guys.

i agree...

so is ZPI ever going to respond with more info? I would like to have this and I'm actually waiting for this before i decide on turbo. Id rather have a supercharger and my warrenty.

its been awhile

I just love how ZPI doesnt respond to anything but they will post about new products they release. we try to ask for a little info on this and pretty much get ignored. They will get none of my business. They post stuff then leave people hanging for months. Bad business practice if you ask me.

thats not entirely true. they posted on the thread about their stage 0 yesterday.

I don't know how many know it but they post updates on their forum on their website more often. It doesn't take any purchases to join their forum, you just have to sign up. You all should try that and you'll get more info about their products. They say on there that the gains were not enough to offset the price. If you're wanting an intercooler solution check out sallad and his post, it's very promising.

^^^ that too
people would get better response from ZPI on their own forum.

True. They update pretty frequently on their forum. For example they announced the other day that their intake is coming soon and they are working on a 12psi pulley with meth injection. Just check their site every once in a while and you won't be disappointed. I know others may disagree but I can say firsthand they have some of the best customer service I've ever seen.

I know they probably give all the info on thier forum but if you start one here you could at least reply to it and say the gains are not enough to offset the cost, i mean how hard would that be?

I understand man, I was upset too until I found that on their site. I just wanted to pass that on to anybody that didn't know. They're not perfect, nobody is, but they will try and keep you updated as best they can, at least they have every time I've contacted them.