seriously considering one and i want to know what y'all think.

For me - it's ugly dash layout/materials. The xA's dash looks MUCH better.

For me - it's ugly dash layout/materials. The xA's dash looks MUCH better.

really? i guess i've really looked at an xa interior. i guess it wouldn't bother me as much then lol. does the material used in the xb look/feel cheap?

hahhaah the car IS cheap..

anyways, the interior scuffs up WAY to easy.

the back seats are too vertical, maybe 1 degree more of angle..

as for the stock ride, the suspension feels like ___, its bumpy as hell in the back seat.

most of the above listed items are expected on a car at this price so I don't sweat those. Although I think the interior design is actually poretty good for a car like this. The lack of an armrest is the MAJOR bugaboo I have about this car.

I'll tell you this, I am happier with this car than I would ever have been with the NISSAN MAXIMA I was going to buy. I had a HONDA CIVIC EX before this and it was in no way as much fun!

I think the biggest thing is the missing armrest also. I never use one, but my wife always uses hers in our other car.

For a car this inexpensive; with this much style; built by Toyota, how can you go wrong?

For a car this inexpensive; with this much style; built by Toyota, how can you go wrong?


I 2nd

For all you guys whining about the interior being cheap .... 1 what would you expect from a car that starts @14K and 2 drive a Hyundai Accent. The Accent makes the xB look/feel like royalty.

My gripes, the suspension, and that damn rattle from under the hood somewhere.

The Gas tank is to small. 11 gallons. With the kind of milage it gets I wiould like to fill up less often. More miles per tank please.

The sun visor sucks. All they had to do is make it so you can extend it when you use it on the side. Oh I don't like the new car smell either but that's a minor problem that will go away.

the tach... its so small and annoying. That was the only reason I considered a xa at first. Other than that Its nice, but mine isn't here yet so maybe there will be more when it comes in.

The sun visor sucks. All they had to do is make it so you can extend it when you use it on the side. Oh I don't like the new car smell either but that's a minor problem that will go away.

You're kidding right??? NOT LIKING new car smell??? Are you nuts!!!! You can't bottle that smell. I love it!

armrest....

definetly the damn armrest.

the clicking of the manual shifter :x by the way does the short throw eliminate the slopiness and noise of the stock shifter ??

The armrest..... and the fact that the vanity mirror on the passenger side is not there (Gotta take care of the wiffee, you know what I mean?? :D )

Rattles. I love the car, but even on one that's $14k I sholdn't have to spend hour after hour tracking down and repair a half dozen or so rattles.

That said, I have never been happier with a car in my life.

No complaints here!

insurance is going to kill me... probably just cuz i'm 19 and have 3 points on my license... geico quoted me at like, $1600 every 6 months... cheapest i found was esurance and that was like, $1300.
but like i said, it's probably just cuz i'm young and have 3 points... and collision is what really hurts.

I swear to god, anywhere else that stop sign would have been a yield.
Stupid cop.

The sheet metal seems a little thin...I think that if you sneeze to hard it will dent :shock:
Armrest, visors, material on seats have a weird feel. But guess what ? I still love it...like a ugly English Bulldog!!! :D :D :D

insurance is going to kill me... probably just cuz i'm 19 and have 3 points on my license... geico quoted me at like, $1600 every 6 months... cheapest i found was esurance and that was like, $1300.
but like i said, it's probably just cuz i'm young and have 3 points... and collision is what really hurts.

I swear to god, anywhere else that stop sign would have been a yield.
Stupid cop.


U should be glad u dont live in NY I had to tell a guy right about your age I think he was 18 that his insurance would cost him $ 6950 a year the other day. :shock:

insurance is going to kill me... probably just cuz i'm 19 and have 3 points on my license... geico quoted me at like, $1600 every 6 months... cheapest i found was esurance and that was like, $1300.
but like i said, it's probably just cuz i'm young and have 3 points... and collision is what really hurts.

I swear to god, anywhere else that stop sign would have been a yield.
Stupid cop.


U should be glad u dont live in NY I had to tell a guy right about your age I think he was 18 that his insurance would cost him $ 6950 a year the other day. :shock:

You are right. I actually live in NY and was quoted $6500 per year. Im 20 no points on the license. Luckily I live with my Bro and I am under his insurance...still paying $4200 a year...Much betterr!!! So yeah....Feel Lucky!!!!

Wow that's alot of money for insurance, i'm 18 with 2 points on my license and my insurance dropped over $800 bucks when I purchased this car, now I am only paying like $1000 a year...but that might be because my insurance agent is and old family friend...

Boy I'm glad I'm old (relatively speaking, at least on this board) and have a clean license! My insurance is cheap. So buck up all you youngin's, your day will come.

In regards to the original question...people will always have something to complain about. I will tell you this, I love this car. It has many many features that I love...great gas mileage, low price, lots of "extras" that come standard, like power windows, AC, CD player, etc. For this price point, you will not find a better car that is stylish as well. As for rattles, I don't notices any in my car. :? I think the interior is fine. Like I said, you will always find people to complain, do YOU like it? That's all that matters. As for an mechanical problems, etc. I've had none. The only thing that bugs me about this car is the FM radio reception is bad. Maybe I can find a way to deal with that. Thinking about adding an antenna. But that is minor to me.

My pet peeve is the ride.

They should have made the springs softer and installed taller tires, giving the car an inch or two more ground clearance in stock condition

This would have encouraged the sale of accessories like lowering springs and wheels. A four-inch drop sounds so much more radical than a two-inch drop!

The dealers would have been happier, the blingers would have been happier, and I would have been happier! :)

George

The engine is happy at 3.2K RPMS and higher.

Stock muffler...vrrooommm vrroom while going 10MPH, too Hondaish :lol:

The sun visor sucks. All they had to do is make it so you can extend it when you use it on the side. Oh I don't like the new car smell either but that's a minor problem that will go away.

You're kidding right??? NOT LIKING new car smell??? Are you nuts!!!! You can't bottle that smell. I love it!

It's just me. Smelled nice the first couple of days. I can do without it now. I've been Febrezing it and now have a air freshner.

I can't complain about much. This car is an astounding value for $14-15,000 for all you get. If I had anything to ask for it would be slightly thicker sheetmetal and heavier doors, but they are not out of character for a car of this size/class. I've been told that just a few minutes spent layering some soundproofing material inside the doorpanels will make a world of difference so I've got that planned as a quick weekend project for the near future.

A little more power would be nice, but the car does not feel underpowered to me. It gets up and goes nicely from a stop and never has trouble merging or keeping up at 80+ mph on the highway, even if the RPMs are a bit higher than what I'm used to it does sound healthy even when revving high. The only time it feels "slow" in my opinion is when you push it hard and TRY to accelerate *quickly*. It doesn't move out all that fast, but feels more than adequate in regular driving and the handling is a cut above most cars at that price and more than a few that are more expensive.

If you can find another car that seats four 6 ft plus people comfortably for a long trip or carry a 40" TV or La-Z-boy recliner in the back yet still handle great, gets 30+mpg and can parallel park in a spot that is as long as a crosswalk is wide and costs $14,000--- buy it!

Add to that a huge list of standard features, Toyota reliability and resale value that will make a Hyundai owner cry and it's an easy decision IMO.

too slow!!

No 6th gear. the engine feels like its trying too hard at 80mph

Also, hopefully you don't have the misfortune of getting a bad engine because some people have gotten engines that stall when you are coming off the freeway for instance and you push in the clutch to shift into a lower gear. And there is also someone like boxxlicker who's been thru 2 engines and and the new one didn't even start this morning.


and for those of you _____ing about the armrests, first of all the car doesn't come with it so you can't consider that a downfall. Also, the car doesn't come with navigation, 3rd row seating, turbo, leather, etc...There are people who have armrests in their scions, they made em themselves. I have seen one in a xA and 2 others in a xB.

The doors sound a tad hollow, but some sound deadening in there should take care of it.

What I really don't like is the seatbelt beep, I just want to say "I'm going to put it on, damn it, just give me a second!"

the wind noise!

Going from a Ford F150 to My XB I would say My biggest Complaint is the armrest , other than that its not fast but is very peppy(quick) it like driving a gocart :lol: the ride dosent bother me because it rides the same as my F150 lowered with 20's it is the funnest car I have driven in a long time and the gas is only $18 a week vrs $49 a week in my truck and my Insurance dropped from $300 to $219 every 6 months so Im very happy with My XB.

The doors sound a tad hollow, but some sound deadening in there should take care of it.

What I really don't like is the seatbelt beep, I just want to say "I'm going to put it on, damn it, just give me a second!"

What beeps? Mine doesn't beep.

I can't complain about much. This car is an astounding value for $14-15,000 for all you get. If I had anything to ask for it would be slightly thicker sheetmetal and heavier doors, but they are not out of character for a car of this size/class. I've been told that just a few minutes spent layering some soundproofing material inside the doorpanels will make a world of difference so I've got that planned as a quick weekend project for the near future.

A little more power would be nice, but the car does not feel underpowered to me. It gets up and goes nicely from a stop and never has trouble merging or keeping up at 80+ mph on the highway, even if the RPMs are a bit higher than what I'm used to it does sound healthy even when revving high. The only time it feels "slow" in my opinion is when you push it hard and TRY to accelerate *quickly*. It doesn't move out all that fast, but feels more than adequate in regular driving and the handling is a cut above most cars at that price and more than a few that are more expensive.

If you can find another car that seats four 6 ft plus people comfortably for a long trip or carry a 40" TV or La-Z-boy recliner in the back yet still handle great, gets 30+mpg and can parallel park in a spot that is as long as a crosswalk is wide and costs $14,000--- buy it!

Add to that a huge list of standard features, Toyota reliability and resale value that will make a Hyundai owner cry and it's an easy decision IMO.

Yeah...what he said...:)

Sean<<<<<<<Happy Scion Owner

i think people just like to complain. sure, there are things that could be nicer, sturdier, faster, etc. but you have to take a lot of things into account when considering why a manufactuer puts out a car. first, the car is light, so of course the sheet metal is thin. that's fine, it makes the car faster. we're used to american iron here in the US so i think having the lightweight doors feels "cheap" to us, but i don't think the car feels cheap at all.

not having a center armrest is lame and what's even worse is that a lot of companies haven't come forward with armrests that bolt on to the center piece somehow. or maybe i just haven't seen them.

vanity mirror: that would have raised the price of the car since they'd have to design a whole new part for the US cars. if you need on that bad, go get a nice big mirror at pep boys that straps on to the visor. it will be 3 times bigger than the other one, and you can get one with a light and it's cheap.

rough ride: everyone loves the good handling but hates how bumpy the stock ride is. actually, mostly older people complain about the rough ride, and i have always said that i think scion purposely increased the spring rate on the US xB because they want to appeal to the younger crowd, and it's a subtle way to get older buyers with more money to get into a matrix or camry or one of the 25 other cars toyota has. but what toyota didn't tell you is for less than $200, you can get tanabe springs and cruise like you're riding in a plush 1986 monte carlo.

see, you can work around almost every niggle you can come up with. but if you can't, then either a scion isn't right for you, or you are just a picky person and will never be happy. in that case, good luck and enjoy your miserable little life.

anyway, it's coming up on 1 year of owning my little xB and i love it. everyone has their own goals for their car. mine was to make it low, and i did. here is a pic i took last night for those who didn't see it in the corner carvers forum:

http://eric.myimprezawrx.com/photos/albums/userpics/low-dark-1-4-23-04.jpg

anyway, i love my scion and i would totally buy another one. i also like the nissan cube, but i am not a nissan fan at all. i'm hoping more box and kei style cars come to the us like the suzuki wagon R, honda life, and subaru pleo. but you never know what the manufacturers have in mind. oh well.

It's not like people are knocking the Box or saying I wish I hadn't bought this POS because.... Just pointing out flaws and shortcomings, critiquing it. Nothing on this list is a deal-breaker, not even close.

It's not a perfect car, but it's close.:D perfect for me, perfect for the price, etc but not perfect.

There's gotta be one thing you'd change, right?

I know :idea:

Eric m.'s complaint: Sits way too high on stock suspension. :lol: :lol: :lol:


BTW, your ride is sweet. Slow and Low, that is the tempo. We are going to a party today and I told my friend I was going to park on his lawn so I can get that extra low look... :twisted:

The fact you can't adjust the seat up and down, the cheap looking Scion brand accessories and all those damn rock chips I'm getting on the fender and hood.

Stick with aftermarket accessorries and stay away from big trucks and you'll be fine!

not enough power.

it's not an xA :wink:

seriously though, if you weigh it out we got some damn nice cars on our hands... great price, great combo... reason I didn't get an xB was I just like compact spacing, so i went with the xA... also I think the front bumper lines just look odd to me (I SAID TO ME!)

The engine is weak. Not complaining as i knew what i was buying. I would love to see a Celica GTS swap in this thing. Does anyone know if that has been done yet?
Will it fit?

Damn now that would be a sick ___ shut the f up sleeper.
Talk about a surprised look..........Holy Toaster Batman!!!

The Box :twisted: :twisted:

i hate it when i close the doors with the windows down and i hear the window rattle or hit something. it sounds so cheap. also the off-centered wheel is not cool at all. but i like just about everything else about my scion

My car is finally here just gotta pick it up. My stealth had really rattly windows if they were down. I cringed when I shut the door. But the more I think about it the more I realize Toyota did what they planned on doing, they built a "tuner" car. You make it how you want it. I don't mind a stiff ride as long as it handles how I like it but I do like power windows and locks. Any problem I have is easily fixed by something I'd add anyway. I was looking for a car with some features I wanted but not much if anything extra. The only thing extra I got that I didn't really want was the strut bar.

Armrest
No map light and vanity mirror <---girls complain
"Clicky" shifter
No temp. gauge
Damn windshileld/paint chips :x

All minor and not real important...and of course, still love the car!!

Getting shocked... I don't know if this is true for anyone else, but I seem to get shocked alot from static electricity every time I touch the car after driving it and getting out.

The rear door..and how it some times just doesn't want to latch proper (presure build up from shutting it... I know)

I think it has plenty of power for what it is. Think in Japan the 1.5 is an option,,, we could have gotten a 1.3... :shock:

Interior is right on par with what I would expect. I still like that fact that you can take an economy car and get the owner of a $100,000 luxury car to stop in their tracks on talk to you about is really cool...don't know when that might wear off but I'm still enjoying it.

Given the chance to sell my car for more than I paid for it...I still choose to keep it. It'd take a significant amount ($2-3k) over what I paid for me to let go of it.

Come on now the Xb is practically perfect. But that's my opinion. Just wish they would have put rear rotors even though it's not needed. :D

lack of an armrest :cry:

I take mine back because I know its an easy fix and now that I've actually got to drive it I can get use to it... untill I get a tach. But the only thing I don't like is 2nd gear. At times its like it doesn't want to go into 2nd, of course only when I take off.

the A/C isnt as strong as it could be. No armrest. Notchy manuall transmission... umm... thats it

I got a couple annoyances but they are easily fixed, no courtasy(sp) lights and the mirror control area isn't lit at all. Other than that and the 2nd gear thing I love everything about it. RCA outs on the 6-disk would be nice... Unless they are there??? Ill know in an hour when the system goes in...

Getting Shocked. :x

-bumpy ride
-AC not cold enough
-back seat too vertical
-trunk sometimes need to be shut more than once to close completely
-seatbelt gets in the way of putting backseat back up
-AM/FM not as clear (AM has really low sound level)

The Gas tank is to small. 11 gallons. With the kind of milage it gets I wiould like to fill up less often. More miles per tank please.
werd

This is going to sound nit picky, but I don't like how the window, mirror, door lock, dimmer, and trac control switches aren't lit up at night. I paid $13k for my 2000 Focus ZX3 back in the day and it came standard with these.

Also do not like the lack of a cargo cover. Again, the base model ZX3 came standard with this. With the exception of the 11-some recalls for that year, I think I was spoiled by that little car. But then again, the xB is a huge improvement over my '86 SVO. ;)

For the price, there is nothing wrong with the B. It is the best choice under 20 grand IMO.

As far as factory options I would rather have, it would be:

1. Luxury package that includes everything that we _____ about. Slick black or two-toned Leather Interior, cruise control.
2. Quality, large Armrest with cupholders in the back very similar to the Toyota Matrix armrest console.
3. Possibly a factory sunroof option.
4. Possibly a sport package that includes a turbocharger and 2 toned sport interior.
5. The rear door many times bounces off and doesn't lock unless you hold it down and press in while shutting it. Atleast mine does.
6. Real cargo cover that is not a POS!!!!

7. An option to buy a hybrid xB!!!

That's all.

the A/C isnt as strong as it could be. No armrest. Notchy manuall transmission... umm... thats it
wow, with all the posts of weak a/c -- it wasn't mentioned till page two here!