alright i have a friend who has a 97 accord coupe AT sohc with cai and dual greddy exhaust, i have an AT 05 tc injen sri, injen axleback...i dont race for the fact i have an auto, i put parts for fun and looks...Anyway he says he can beat me. i myself dont think so. he also has a audio system in his car which looks pretty heavy...right now my car has a blown maf so when i get it back its on. i will video tape it for the world to see. does anyone think i can take him. and by how much?
i would like to see predictions before this happens.

hahaha what a pos car dont ask dumb questions on here and move this to the autosports section even if its not realy worthy of it lol


f22 accords :ttth:

You should be able to beat him by a car length-to-two car lengths. Mid 90's accords are slow, especially with the automatic trans.

Have fun, and keep it off the streets.

... accord.. i remember one tried messing wiff me... i said hi to him.. and he looked at me with that serious face... i closed my window, cus looks like he wants to kill me.. then i took off on him... muahaa

05-06 accords would be a better match, well if you had a manual.

are we talking 4cylinder or 6 cylinder?

i absolutely loved my '00 accord coupe v6. that was a clean car.

he is talking about the 97 4 banger it had a f22b that is a 2.2l no vtec sohc engine that made 145hp not sure what the pos 4 banger ones ran but the v6 ones were running like 16.8 sec 1/4 mile pass's stock lol


even the one that your talking about still ran like 16.6 sec pass's stock but they realy picked up the quality of the car around 02 or maybe it was 03

he is talking about the 97 4 banger it had a f22b that is a 2.2l no vtec sohc engine that made 145hp not sure what the pos 4 banger ones ran but the v6 ones were running like 16.8 sec 1/4 mile pass's stock lol


even the one that your talking about still ran like 16.6 sec pass's stock but they realy picked up the quality of the car around 02 or maybe it was 03

Truth, newer accords are x20 better than the older ones. I've beat a auto 95 accord, so you shouldn't have any trouble.

But also remember, a stock a/t tC runs 1/4 in the 16's as well. Both are slow cars stock, a stock manual tC isn't really that much better.

^ alot of us stock can hit 15.5 so we are about 1 sec faster if that counts for any thing

^ alot of us stock can hit 15.5 so we are about 1 sec faster if that counts for any thing

hmm, 15.5 stock? I don't know about that, not trying to argue or anything but the tC's i've seen through videos and in person, i/h/e tC's are averaging mid 15's. The few stock ones i've seen, all run high 15's and occasionally low 16's due to driver. 15.5 seems fast for stock. I know theres been a few that claim 15.6 1/4 stock, but i haven't personally or seen any videos to back up their claim of it compared to the others i've seen.

^ i can understand your doubt just baised off the local tc drivers i see here, back when i was all stock i would pull on them with i/h/e/ underdrive and better tires


its alot driver you have to get used to the uslessly short geared 1st gear to be able to launch the car good if not you can spin the crap out of the tires through 1st and most of 2nd

hey i never said my '00 v6 was super fast. but it was clean and quiet. leather seats, power moonroof and power seats, dual muffler. completely different class than the tc. also it was 200hp. I believe the 03 model bumped it to 240? can't remember.

i never had a problem with the honda..though the interior styling and dash on the new models don't really do it for me.

my 99 accord v6 ran a 15.79, bone stock performance wise. Not fast at all, but would smoke an auto tC. even though my 5 speed tC may be quicker in 1/4 mi., the honda still has tons more top end power, but also a crappy shifting auto trans. A 97 accord on the other hand would be pretty slow. It might be a close match if it is a v6 but that model was only a 2.7 liter pos.

yesterday, i took a new honda v6 at a stop light. the guy thought he was a tough guy and started moving forward before the light turned green. it felt great beating him.

its all in the driver.

make sure you get a good launch... and thats basically all yo ucan do lol.

yesterday, i took a new honda v6 at a stop light. the guy thought he was a tough guy and started moving forward before the light turned green. it felt great beating him.

You sure it was a 05-06 and not an older one? And are you sure its a v6 because if the guy was racing at all he would have smoked you unless you have mods i don't know about.

^^

the accord v6 with 244hp....Must have been stuck on a patch of ice. and if it was the 6 speed he must have been going uphill too.

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the accord v6 with 244hp....Must have been stuck on a patch of ice. and if it was the 6 speed he must have been going uphill too.

Yeah, him going up hill (70 degree incline) and Jarrod123 going downhill 70 degree decline). :rofl:

yesterday, i took a new honda v6 at a stop light. the guy thought he was a tough guy and started moving forward before the light turned green. it felt great beating him.

You sure it was a 05-06 and not an older one? And are you sure its a v6 because if the guy was racing at all he would have smoked you unless you have mods i don't know about.

i'm sure it was a v6, i new it was a newer model honda accord but not sure of the specific year. the guy was definitely trying.

^ lies it must not have been a new new new one it must have been like an 00 or something from that time frame

even with a 00 accord coupe v6..i'm still not buying it.

maybe the other driver simply badged his car a v6?? wouldn't be the first time.

even with a 00 accord coupe v6..i'm still not buying it.

maybe the other driver simply badged his car a v6?? wouldn't be the first time.

new V6 accord that are AUTO are very slow.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if its a V6 accord 6SPD...

that car runs 14.7 1/4 mile
look it up on car and driver.
only way you can beat one is if the driver sucks or ur TC is boosted, spraying, or hitting faster than 14's

that's what i was thinking maybe it was automatic.

that's what i was thinking maybe it was automatic.

Could you not tell? Also, auto accord (v6) are still faster than a stock tC. They also have the ability to beat a i/h/e tC with the right driver. Yeah, they are pretty slow but they aren't that slow with an auto. Especially the newer ones. But if it was a six speed, and you said he was trying, you would have lost by a good 3 car lengths easy.

hmm you'd think that 244hp, vtec, 5 sp auto, stability, traction would go a long way. but it does have several hundred pounds there.

accord v6 (according to msn)
0-60 7.8s
1/4 mile 15.88 @ 94mph

tc (according to r&t)
0-60 7.4s
1/4 mile 15.7s @88mph

ok, so i stand corrected. good job on the kill.
still can't beat the feel of the ride in that coupe though. And i never had a single hatch rattle.

i guess thoughs number are from "pro" drivers but im also sure i could launch a car i have been driving for over a year better then they can after 10 runs down a 1/4 mile track


i still feel it would beat us but looking at thoughs numbers we win lol

accord v6 (according to msn)
0-60 7.8s
1/4 mile 15.88 @ 94mph

tc (according to r&t)
0-60 7.4s
1/4 mile 15.7s @88mph



given the stats and given that I have been driving a standard since I have started driving i dont think it's too hard to believe that i beat the guy. .4 seconds can be made up in how you shift and step on the gas.

i dont find it that hard to belive seeing as how i have beat mustang gt's with crapy drivers but with equal drivers i feel the accord could beat us

i dont find it that hard to belive seeing as how i have beat mustang gt's with crapy drivers but with equal drivers i feel the accord could beat us

Not could, but would. You can't take these tests to heart guys. Over half of 1/4 times brought to you by car magizines, specifically new cars..they only run down the track at most 5 times. Usually, not by a professional but by someone who works within the magizine company.

I personally have seen a 05' accord 6speed (v6) with i/h/e run 14.7-14.9. Which would suggest stock would run low 15's to mid 15's which is faster than a stock tC.

you are all correct...to a certain extent. The numbers are based upon professional drivers, and they are also based on a limited demo of the car. Plus 1 driver could have been 145lb weasel and the other pushing 225lb. Maybe the guys at edmunds are skinny and the guys over at R&T are rotund. I don't know.

All I am saying is that the numbers are close enough...we're not talking about a 15 second disparity. So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

In all fairness with numbers that tight jarrrod probably did win to the next light. the auto guy simply mashes down on the gas and the computer pics the shift points, while jarrod is taking it to redline on each shift.
Past the 75mph mark, the accord would have overtaken..but in a short race.. we are quibbling over fractions of a second.

i say you can file this under "sure, why not"

you are all correct...to a certain extent. The numbers are based upon professional drivers, and they are also based on a limited demo of the car. Plus 1 driver could have been 145lb weasel and the other pushing 225lb. Maybe the guys at edmunds are skinny and the guys over at R&T are rotund. I don't know.

All I am saying is that the numbers are close enough...we're not talking about a 15 second disparity. So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

In all fairness with numbers that tight jarrrod probably did win to the next light. the auto guy simply mashes down on the gas and the computer pics the shift points, while jarrod is taking it to redline on each shift.
Past the 75mph mark, the accord would have overtaken..but in a short race.. we are quibbling over fractions of a second.

i say you can file this under "sure, why not"

Thats based on if the race took place, and if the accord was a automatic compared to that of a manual.

I know for a fact, given the specs of the v6 accord (manual) and a tc (manual) and given what i've seen from real life experiences, two equal drivers, tC wouldn't stand a chance. I will say this is getting old. We have too many honda vs toyota threads its ridiculous. Especially when it boils down to "toyota is better, blah blah blah honda sucks and hondas are slow" and so on. Most of this on Si threads but still, gets old.

So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

FINALLY! Someone who understands how dead bodies just drag down our 1/4 times. Let me tell you, I can't count how many times I lost by a bumper because I was hauling dead weight in the hatch :nope:

So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

FINALLY! Someone who understands how dead bodies just drag down our 1/4 times. Let me tell you, I can't count how many times I lost by a bumper because I was hauling dead weight in the hatch :nope:

Which is why i'm a huge fan of light weights and lift motors. Sure, low end is nice but in a track environment, top end matters most. Daily driving, questionable but yeah. For instance, you can take a civic hatchback and push around 150whp, sure not an impressive number but with the right mods invested (with or without motor swap) you can run near 13s or in 13's. Whereas, you take for instance the tC, you run 150whp and you won't break 14's.

Power to weight is definitely key. No one has denied that fact. But when you compare two cars with similar weight (accord 2door manual doesn't weigh too much more than the tc) and a car that has 80whp+ over another and so forth, its pretty obvious who would win.

you are all correct...to a certain extent. The numbers are based upon professional drivers, and they are also based on a limited demo of the car. Plus 1 driver could have been 145lb weasel and the other pushing 225lb. Maybe the guys at edmunds are skinny and the guys over at R&T are rotund. I don't know.

All I am saying is that the numbers are close enough...we're not talking about a 15 second disparity. So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

In all fairness with numbers that tight jarrrod probably did win to the next light. the auto guy simply mashes down on the gas and the computer pics the shift points, while jarrod is taking it to redline on each shift.
Past the 75mph mark, the accord would have overtaken..but in a short race.. we are quibbling over fractions of a second.

i say you can file this under "sure, why not"

Thats based on if the race took place, and if the accord was a automatic compared to that of a manual.



all i know is that the guy went right up the open right lane of traffic and cut in front of the left lane of people. i went up the right lane and we were at the red light together. he started getting edgy and was moving ahead even before the light turned. even if the guy was driving a manual, all i really had to do was step on the gas and hit everything quicker than him.
sure if we were both going 80 things would have been different. but we werent

you are all correct...to a certain extent. The numbers are based upon professional drivers, and they are also based on a limited demo of the car. Plus 1 driver could have been 145lb weasel and the other pushing 225lb. Maybe the guys at edmunds are skinny and the guys over at R&T are rotund. I don't know.

All I am saying is that the numbers are close enough...we're not talking about a 15 second disparity. So now it's conditions, the driver, how many dead bodies in the trunk..etc.

In all fairness with numbers that tight jarrrod probably did win to the next light. the auto guy simply mashes down on the gas and the computer pics the shift points, while jarrod is taking it to redline on each shift.
Past the 75mph mark, the accord would have overtaken..but in a short race.. we are quibbling over fractions of a second.

i say you can file this under "sure, why not"

Thats based on if the race took place, and if the accord was a automatic compared to that of a manual.



all i know is that the guy went right up the open right lane of traffic and cut in front of the left lane of people. i went up the right lane and we were at the red light together. he started getting edgy and was moving ahead even before the light turned. even if the guy was driving a manual, all i really had to do was step on the gas and hit everything quicker than him.
sure if we were both going 80 things would have been different. but we werent

I occasionally edge up a little bit before the light is green, not beyond the line but yeah. That doesn't mean hes racing, i don't street race thats for sure. So, yeah.

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.


dont mess with a xb man they might not go fast straight but they sure can out handel a tc along with alot of other cars (with some slight modding)

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.

:rofl:

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.

1. i don't free-rev 2. i dont street race and 3. listen to aarontrini85.

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.

1. i don't free-rev 2. i dont street race and 3. listen to aarontrini85.

on a serious note. i like all of the scion models. if i had the money i would own one of each.

Do I need to look up the skidpad and lateral acceleration figures for the xB again? Last I remember, it handled the skidpad more than 5 mph slower than the tC, and had the worst skidpad marks of any car tested by road and track. I'm shaking at the thought of facing na xB at autocross.

Do I need to look up the skidpad and lateral acceleration figures for the xB again? Last I remember, it handled the skidpad more than 5 mph slower than the tC, and had the worst skidpad marks of any car tested by road and track. I'm shaking at the thought of facing na xB at autocross.

Thats also with stock suspension, no one said the xb with stock suspension handled excellent. Read next time.

Also, i've beat two tC's in autox with overall time scores, one had coilovers, sways for suspension with a good driver. I beat him overall by 11 seconds added up over a total of five runs. 5mph slower than the tC? Quit being a arse and grow up.

Also, go here cmn: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=104488&highlight=

You'll see on page three two xb owners in the mid and low 14's. Of course, nothing will live up to the incredible tc now will it?

lol tc is far from amazing. its just toyota's version of a civic.

the wrx, new GTI are amazing for their price.

lol tc is far from amazing. its just toyota's version of a civic.

the wrx, new GTI are amazing for their price.

I know its not amazing, but cmn appears to think its superior compared the xb in the way he shuts the box out like it has no potential.

GTI isn't amazing either, not in my opinion at least. STI on the other hand, indeed.

lol yea. the tc is not superior to the xB. i happen to love the xB.

ive seen more girls driving tcs than xBs. anyone else notice that?

lol yea. the tc is not superior to the xB. i happen to love the xB.

ive seen more girls driving tcs than xBs. anyone else notice that?


honestly. i see alot of older people driving xB's.

Even with you revving your engine and edging up, I don't think anyone would take your box seriously enough to think you're trying to race.

1. i don't free-rev 2. i dont street race and 3. listen to aarontrini85.


finaly some one who sees it my way :P



for thoughs of you who say the xb cant out handel a tc check out this guys site

http://www.dpcars.net/

he has owned ALOT of cars and ALOT is an understatment and probly the one he has kept the longest and loved the most seems to be the xb even over an elise (i know sounds crazy to me) but he has videos where a vett pulls on him hard in the straights but by the end of the turn he is on the vetts a$$

and when in doubt of a odly shaped vehicals handaling just remember the EF9 civics

killerx, whatever happened to this motto of yours:

Comparing performance of two cars, both should have similar mods or both be stock.

Seems to me a stock tC kicks the living crap out of a stock xB in any performance test. Also, your car looks like a toaster, but has none of the advantages of being one.

killerx, whatever happened to this motto of yours:

Comparing performance of two cars, both should have similar mods or both be stock.

Seems to me a stock tC kicks the living crap out of a stock xB in any performance test. Also, your car looks like a toaster, but has none of the advantages of being one.

Yeah, if you take a tC with a s-techs and xb with df210s, the xb will out handle the tC anyday of the week given both are equal drivers. You take a tC with coilovers and match it with an xb on coilovers, it will be closer but the xb will win...period.

Happy now? You have to bring up anything to play your defense do you? It's newbies like you that think the tC is the end of all compacts and the xb can't handle anything just because of its shape. :loser:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I just got called a newbie by a freshman, if that. And you still drive a toaster oven. Does it make you proud to have a car thats considered uglier than the PT Cruiser, Pontiac Aztec, and Honda Element?

I don't know about racing an Accord, but there's a GTO owner out there who found out that you can't underestimate every import out there, even though the GTO is technacally a import. I didn't out run him, I out smarted him. He tried getting a rise out of me by tailgating REALLY close, pulling up beside me at the stoplight and brake torquing his car. So I acted like it didn't bother me untill we a little ways up the road, and I decided to drop it down into third, then fourth before he noticed me. By then it was too late for him, I made it through the yellow light, he didn't! Shouldn't have bought the GTO with an automatic tranny! :eyebrow:

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I just got called a newbie by a freshman, if that. And you still drive a toaster oven. Does it make you proud to have a car thats considered uglier than the PT Cruiser, Pontiac Aztec, and Honda Element?

1. You are maybe a year and a few months older than me. 2. Age has nothing to do with knowledge. 3. Your "considered" opinions on the looks, are just your opinions. Most people think the car looks great. 4. While we are on being proud, does it make you feel proud that you drive a 3,000lbs+ car with you in it, huge displacement and under powered? Does that 2.4l make you feel like a man? Because you are acting like a child.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I just got called a newbie by a freshman, if that. And you still drive a toaster oven. Does it make you proud to have a car thats considered uglier than the PT Cruiser, Pontiac Aztec, and Honda Element?


im going to have to risk being banned here and tell you to shut the F#*% up your realy starting to ____ me off with your my tc kicks every cars ___ attitued the box can out handel us and alot of other cars equaly modded


i have a strong feeling your the same kid who bad mouths every civic you see not knowing there potential


you are exaclty the type of driver who gives tc owners the rep we have in the automotive comunity


i hate you

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I just got called a newbie by a freshman, if that. And you still drive a toaster oven. Does it make you proud to have a car thats considered uglier than the PT Cruiser, Pontiac Aztec, and Honda Element?


im going to have to risk being banned here and tell you to shut the F#*% up your realy starting to ____ me off with your my tc kicks every cars butt attitued the box can out handel us and alot of other cars equaly modded


i have a strong feeling your the same kid who bad mouths every civic you see not knowing there potential


you are exaclty the type of driver who gives tc owners the rep we have in the automotive comunity


i hate you

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Thank you! I for one, vote if anything happens to you as a result of this post i want you to have a warning instead of being banned. You didn't actually type any words out that could get you banned, your simply standing up for xb owners and you drive a tC. For the record, he does hate honda if you check the si vs tc threads. lol

Before you open your mouth again, or misinterpret what I had to say about the Si, realize that I don't hate the xB.

Given:
I think the styling is ugly.
The engine has almost no potential.
Until we see a video of a modded xB hanging with even a stock miata, nobody on this board will give it any credit for being able to handle well.

On the other hand:
14.2 in the quarter mile isn't bad. But then again, its not the 12.1 that ZPI runs in their tC. Thats z06 territory.

Now, in favor of the tC.
Easily out accelerates the xB, and everyone on here has seen the potential of turbo and supercharged tCs.
Even something as simple as changing out the crappy tires on the tC is enough to give it some respectable slalom and skidpad numbers.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I personally think it looks a heck of a lot better than the xB.

Okay, now on to the Si.
Guess what, I admit its a pretty fast car, but I'd rather take the RSX-S (chose the tC because it offers most of the same features, and in my opinion, better styling).
Yes, it does handle better than a tC. I'd put money on one against even a tC equipped with the full TRD package.
Its no SRT-4, and I doubt its even a match for a Cobalt SS or Ion Redline, either of which can be had for about the same amount.
I can't stand the appearance of the Si.

Last point: I honestly wish I hadn't let praticality win me over. Between the fact that insurance would have been higher, and in order to fit a dead body in the trunk, it would need to be cut up, I chose the tC over an S2000. Several times I've gone into dealerships pondering a trade, but snow is a _____, especially for a RWD car. What do I plan on doing about it? Wait until I've paid off my car, then turn 25 (lower insurance, 800 every six months for even a tC makes me balk), and its a Lingenfelter Vette for me (keeping the tC for bad weather and when I need a car that can seat 5).

edit: the fact I have my AIM SN posted does not mean I want any of you harassing me. (that means you, killerx)

I'd love to see a tC hand with a modded miata in the corners. The xb can do it, but its hard to match a car like the miata or mini cooper in terms of cornering. So you are some what under-playing the miata. The motor doesn't have the ability to squeeze 300whp like the 2az does, but we don't need 300whp. A box with 190-200whp would be able to pull very close to a tC with 300whp in the 1/4. But, thats now what we were talking about.

Cornering. I've personally beat a few tCs in autox, modded. Its common sense that shows and proves the xb can out corner the tC. I don't see why you or anyone else gets offended because they can't out handle a xb with identical mods.

I didn't harass you. Everyone, i IMed cmn just to find out why he feels the need to put down the box and why he feels the tC is so much of an improvement over the xb. Instead of wasting a thread not even designed to talk about the xb vs. tc in cornering. He couldn't even give me an answer, unless thats your example of harassment cmn don't come on here saying i harassed you.

This thread needs to be locked. We are off topic and even prior to being off topic, this thread was dying out. All information was given earlier in this thread and thats that.

I'd just like to chip in here. It's pretty harsh to compare aything to a modded Miata in corners. I can't think of much of anything that can hang with a well modified Miata other than an equally tuned S2000, RX-7, NSX, Porsche, or Lotus. Even a Mini Cooper or Evo could probably be a tough sell. I mean to really beat one in the corners, you're looking for cars that can push around 1.10g in grip AND have really good balance.

In all-out modded handling, not much comes close. Most Miata's aren't very fast overall (though a good F/I setup can propel them into supercar territory), but look out in the corners.

A guy I know owns a NA-chassis Miata with a built turbo setup (280whp) and suspension/tires/aero that I would put up against pretty much anything in town in any kind of performance. In top-end something could beat him, but even there he claims to have hit 185mph on the PCH when he lived in California. That car is a little monster.

killerxromances....
cmndrjamesbond...

you guys both need to shut up or just private message each other.

killerxromances....
cmndrjamesbond...

you guys both need to shut up or just private message each other.

I tried that, didn't work out well. Don't worry, i'm done talking about that on this thread.

Still needs to be locked jarrod, going back to the accord vs. tc no body is going to say anything differently thats already been discussed. Its just like any other vs. threads, people say the exact same thing all the time.

this thread is out of hand and off topic.

any problems... PM me

LOCKED!