My friend from Georgia went to the track last week, he drives a civic. While he was there he saw an xb there, so he decided to give me a call. Well, i wasn't able to talk to him again until today but here is what he told me.

RS1 Xb, or re-painted to be orng:
-CF hatch
-CF oem style hood
-i/h/e
-short shifter
-"stage 3" spec clutch
-perrin crank pulley
- Greddy t/c
He also said he had some other things done as well, but couldn't remember off the top of his head. He said this guy, who's Justin (?) showed him a dyno sheet of 138whp @ 5,100rpm. He talked to him after he watched him do two runs, the guy did do three runs but he only saw two. Both were in the 14's and he had a best run of 14.2.

Now before you guys start flaming, my friend has no reason to lie to me. He drives a civic, he respects Scion as a company and he was extremely impressed. Impressed enough to tell me the next chance he could.

Also, being i wasn't there he has no videos or pictures. However, i thought i would post this up incase this Justin (?) guy is apart of scionlife, or if anyone know who he is. It's the fastest 1/4 time i've heard of so far for the xb/xa, which shouldn't be shocking to you guys. I mean, there are quite a few n/a xb's breaking 15's now. I'm in the low-mid 16's for my box.

Again, No pictures, No videos. Don't ask me for any please. I know this is just talk since i can't back it up with anything, but he told me if he seems him again he wants to take pictures and or a video for me to show me.

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No way Jose 138 hp at the wheels in a x/b that would run 15.5 you would need 179 hp at the wheels to run 14.2. That's why their is no interest this in thread. Somone is full of dog poo either your friend or Justin. Bye the way 138@5100rpm sounds way wrong.The engine makes max power at 5900 rpm so it sounds like that dyno run was cut off way to early or it's fake. Either way that's why this thread is dead end. :rofl:

No way Jose 138 hp at the wheels in a x/b that would run 15.5 you would need 179 hp at the wheels to run 14.2. That's why their is no interest this in thread. Somone is full of dog poo either your friend or Justin. Bye the way 138@5100rpm sounds way wrong.The engine makes max power at 5900 rpm so it sounds like that dyno run was cut off way to early or it's fake. Either way that's why this thread is dead end. :rofl:

So 138whp would run 15.5? Is this why hotbox05, and others are breaking 15's running 15.8-15.9 n/a? Talk to hotbox05, hes running i/h/e, engine damper and then weight reduction and other things, he constantly runs high 15's to 16.0ish and his best time i believe is either 15.7 or 15.8. I might also point out, that the powerband changes when you start to mod. The powerband doesn't stay constant at 5,900rpm or whatever stock is. A good example of that is, i was dyno'd at 96whp @ 4,900rpm with my current set up, and this was on an auto and we went all the way to 6,350rpm.

Sorry sir, but don't mislead people on this thread.

oh, by the way. 14.2 does seem high to me, but he also has some weight reduction, and may have more. He didn't tell me everything, just off the top of his head that he could remember. But you would be in the 14's with 138whp.

Is good to know somebody is doing that time
but for me is too much money for that time
and you need to correct some errors in your post because
if they have greddy t/c dont need headerRS1 Xb, or re-painted to be orng:
-CF hatch
-CF oem style hood
-i/h/e
-short shifter
-"stage 3" spec clutch
-perrin crank pulley
- Greddy t/c but is nothing bad just for my expirience
in the mods you mention they have like $4500 so for me is too
much for that time an like the other said 138hp is not enougth to do that time
not try to mess with you killerromance just my .02 cents

how did you come up with 4500?

the turbo kit is around 2 grand.
the hood and hatch can be had for 800.
the pulley , shortshifter are like 200
the clutch kit is like 800 or 900 installed
that's about 4,000 and that's with retail/average prices. many of these items can be had for less.

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how did you come up with 4500?

the turbo kit is around 2 grand.

where do you find a greddy turbo kit for this price????????????????????????
:tap: :tap: :tap:
the most cheap plase I found is $2495 and is to high because is only
a tubo manifold, turbo, blow off, and two pipes thats it no intercooler :nope:

it's 1950 regular price at www.upgrademotoring.com

that's the new carb pending , intercooled kit.

14.2...?! :question:
I know a ford guy who claimed to shave almost 2seconds by gutting everything from his car, and I mean everything (the interior consisted of a seat, shifter, steering whel, and some gauges attached to the steering column). His doors were basically just sheet metal. If this guy's xb was like that, your friend would have remembered. Besides, ford crap weighs 5tons, and I dont think anything in, on, or around our cars can make that kind of weight reduction. If the car was like that, it would also have to be trailered in and out of the place. Nobody would risk a pullover riding a setup like that on the street.
I'm not saying you're lying, or anything like that. Maybe your friend was mistaken or something. If it is true, then that is freaking awesome- but I seriously doubt 14.2. 15.2 would impress the hell out of me, but 14.2? Maybe not impossible, but damn!

Hey guys, keep in mind this is passed down information. 14.2 is fast for 138whp, but i don't know all of his mods. For all i know, his interior could have been basically stripped to nothing, and he could have different gears. I don't know, just passing down.

300 hp usually gets 14's

His box would have to weigh 1800lbs to run 14.2 at 138hp at the wheels. I doubt he removed 617 pounds from his 5 speed or 670 pounds from his auto. Maybe he ran his x/b without the body just frame and motor and trans much more aero. :silly:

Are you using an online quarter mile calculator cuz you're quoting specific weights and whp. Stop looking up that garbage and actually go out and race your car and see if it measures up cuz all that crap is bull when it comes to racing.

Stock scion completely gutted...stock I/H/and a straight pipe with STOCK muffler and I run under 16 every time on steelies and stock rubber because my reaction time is absolutely flawless...I've gotten .501 multiple times and usually never break past .52

and for the "300hp usually gets 14s remark"...put a b16 in an eg hatch with i/h/e and good tires and you'll run 14s well under 200hp.

300whp on a tC will put you in the high 13's 1/4, and thats a 3,000lbs+ car with a driver. So that remark is out of the question. Not to mention i ran low 13's with 231whp and custom gearing in a integra gs-r.

Also about the 1,800lbs 138whp remark. It would not have to weigh 1,800lbs to get a 14.2. If the guy removed the a/c unit, all the seats and just had one racing seat, or two for the front, and gutted everything else and weighed him. I am willing to bet he would be in the 2,200lbs range. Like i said, i don't know what all he had done except what my friend told me. But its not impossible, some of you are really blowing up on here giving horrible information about what it takes to be in the low 14's.

Do you know what track he went to here in GA? I've never heard or seen an RS1 with any c/f on it, but will be on the look out for it.

Do you know what track he went to here in GA? I've never heard or seen an RS1 with any c/f on it, but will be on the look out for it.

No idea, i'll ask next time i talk to my friend and find out for you. I'm pretty sure its southern georgia because my friend lives about 30-40 minutes from the Fl line.

His box would have to weigh 1800lbs to run 14.2 at 138hp at the wheels. I doubt he removed 617 pounds from his 5 speed or 670 pounds from his auto. Maybe he ran his x/b without the body just frame and motor and trans much more aero. :silly: gearing , reaction time , track conditions. all variables not in your calculation

Reaction time is not a factor in your quarter mile time since the clock does not start untill you break the starting line beam. It will not increase your et or mph it only counts in racing when you race someone next to you. Your reaction time vs there's. Of course Under perfect track and proper gearing, and tire traction that goes without saying . I was giving him the best conditions possible. :pray:

but if you have a messed up rt and then you bog or burn out at the beginning.

You are a mixing up the reaction with the driver's skill the leave the line at the right amount of rpm's so not to bog the motor or spin the tires to much, you want a little wheel spin . These two things will slow your et. :doh:

My Xa is 135 whp, my best time with that is 15.35, with stock tires. I drag race all the time. 14.2 with 138whp is BS , he's spraying.

I agree he's on the bottle, I would say a 35 or 50 shot. :no:

lol maybe this is 1/8th mile drag

lol . NO.

14.2 seems fast but i know mid 14's are attainable with said horsepower.

to the guy with the slow arse f/i xa. something is wrong with yer driving or yer car.

hes cheating by using spray.

*chanting* spray is ___. spray is ___!!

.....i might just be having a long day at work, but i thought I/H/E would only be E if it was on a car with a turbo (for cars that don't come stock turbo). in the original post it was listed as his mods.

e stands for exhaust homie, ie catback exhaust, axel back exhaust. straight pipe.

hmmm....maybe i didn't make it clear..sorry. I know what it stands for, which is why i said it should only say e. because i(ntake)/h(eader)/e(xhaust) wouldn't make sense on a car with a turbo (on a non factory turbo car). because i know for sure you wouldn't have a h(eader) because you have a turbo manifold. and from what i understand you wouldn't have an i(ntake) because they usually route the turbine directly into the intake....anywho correct me if i'm wrong.

one time a guy meet me at the strip because he is runing the same xb(color and everything) and we do a match and he win because he have 75 NOS hunder the hood
and his time is 14.8 so 14.2 for me is too far yet :lalala:

Okay, my friend had apparently swapped AIM sn's and earlier today I was able to talk to Justin. I told him about ScionLife and he said the next chance he would get he would register and try to find this particular thread.

In the meantime, this is all of his mods and all factors envolved:
- Greddy Supercharger (not turbocharger)
- i/h/e 2.5'' piping
- Cf hatch and hood, Cf side pannels
- Upgraded "stage 3" clutch
- Perrin crank pulley
- wider (from another car) steelies with performance tires
- Removed all speakers and system
- back seats and spare tire removed
- Stock two seats in the front
- Gearing has been changed, but he didn't tell me the ratio he just said it was more aggressive, and much shorter
- E-manage Ult
- 8:5:1 pistons
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Dyno: 149.6whp @ 5,100rpm (138whp was prior to the track day, and prior to being tuned. again, according to justin)
Confirmed 14.2 1/4 as a best run
Weight: 2,258lbs

This is what he told me. He said next time he gets online he will register with scionlife.

ok cool, i coulda swore in the first post it said t/c, now the i/h/e makes snese. thanks for clarifying that for me....like i said, long day at work.

wow, why in the world would you want shorter gearing? it kinda sounds like he wants a dedicated drag xB....that's weird.

ok cool, i coulda swore in the first post it said t/c, now the i/h/e makes snese. thanks for clarifying that for me....like i said, long day at work.

It did say t/c, my friend meant to tell me s/c but instead he said t/c. Sometimes he gets confused when hes excited. Poor guy. :rofl: jk

tuned, 149whp with weight reduction and gearing, i think its very possible to achieve 14.2. I mean, the guys hitting high 15's have probably around 110whp give or take n/a. I have 96whp and i've hit low 16's. Add about 50whp from my numbers, and its easy to get into 14's.

i never go by hp for quarter mile times, theres to many other factors. i just think it's weird that someone would make the already aggressive gearing even more aggressive. which i assume means he's making the xB a dedicated dragger, which makes me wonder...why? :P i mean, it's cool to try and make a fast xB, but it's just weird that you make on a dedicated track car. i can't imagine driving an xB with closer gearing. to each his own :P

i never go by hp for quarter mile times, theres to many other factors. i just think it's weird that someone would make the already aggressive gearing even more aggressive. which i assume means he's making the xB a dedicated dragger, which makes me wonder...why? :P i mean, it's cool to try and make a fast xB, but it's just weird that you make on a dedicated track car. i can't imagine driving an xB with closer gearing. to each his own :P

I could understand someone making the xb a dedicated road course/circuit car, because corners are the higher points. Dragging, i wouldn't touch it. But, like you said to each their own. Besides, he might daily drive it on the week ends or something. I don't know, it sounds like an extremely fun car to drive though thats for sure.

149.6@5100rpm at the wheels makes no sense at all. A stock scion puts out 103@6000rpm at the flywheel. So you are telling me that a scion with aftermarket parts installed can't breathe as well as a stock motor. I would take the parts off and get your money back. what are you guys smoking? When you add performwnce parts to your motor it does not lower your powerband. If anything you can rev it higher since it can breathe more air so it would increase the powerband now that the engine can suck in more air. Then you are limited by your valvetrain and cam and head flow and engine internals to how high you can spin the motor. 5100 rpm sounds like that motor is choking check the intake for a shop rag or a potato in the muffler. :rofl:

149.6@5100rpm at the wheels makes no sense at all. A stock scion puts out 103@6000rpm at the flywheel. So you are telling me that a scion with aftermarket parts installed can't breathe as well as a stock motor. I would take the parts off and get your money back. what are you guys smoking? When you add performwnce parts to your motor it does not lower your powerband. If anything you can rev it higher since it can breathe more air so it would increase the powerband now that the engine can suck in more air. Then you are limited by your valvetrain and cam and head flow and engine internals to how high you can spin the motor. 5100 rpm sounds like that motor is choking check the intake for a shop rag or a potato in the muffler. :rofl:

When you start to mod a car, the powerband can change higher and lower than stock powerband. It depends on how the mods work together if the over all design is more for low end or more for high end or an equal mixture. The powerband has nothing to do with how well the motor breathes. If a car is designed for low end, such as the 2az. That thing must really suffer according to your logic. :rofl: :rofl:

Please, stop posting in my threads for the sake of other members. Your information could not be further misleading and false than it already is.

By the way, old ratings was 108hp for the 1nz, new (sae) ratings are 106hp not 103hp.

All this fighting...I would like to read something from this Justin fellow.

All this fighting...I would like to read something from this Justin fellow.

Whos fighting? The only thing i was "mad" about is eddy coming in here and giving people false information. The newbies that come here and that read this, they tend to take things to heart and i want to make sure all information on any thread i start is as accurate as possible. That way, future people that look on the thread can gather real information instead of false, or misleading information.

I too hope he comes on here, but people getting upset at me is pointless. Not my xb, not my times. Its not completely impossible giving what he told me. Its definitely a strong possible to hit 14's.

Check out scion.com click on pdf x/b specs it clearly states 103hp@6000rpm. I think last years was higher like 106 or 108. Iam not giving out any false information just calling out people who make wild claims about how fast someone's x/b is.Just tell Justin when he gets a chance to post some time slips and a video of the run and don't forget to point the video camera at the scoreboard so we can see the et and mph. :pray:

Check out scion.com click on pdf x/b specs it clearly states 103hp@6000rpm. I think last years was higher like 106 or 108. Iam not giving out any false information just calling out people who make wild claims about how fast someone's x/b is.Just tell Justin when he gets a chance to post some time slips and a video of the run and don't forget to point the video camera at the scoreboard so we can see the et and mph. :pray:

You are giving false information. Powerband reflects nothing on how a motor performs. Specific mods can change the powerband from 6,000rpm to higher or lower. Just because someone peaks whp at just say 4,500rpm, does not mean their motor is running rich, lean or poorly. It just means the powerband has changed and now they are peaking whp at a lower rpm compared to stock. It would be pointless for someone to peak whp above 6,000rpm given our redline is right at 6,350rpm. Unfortunately, we vvt-i does not offer the same performance level as vtec so you could have 120whp at 6,200rpm and still be slow as crap. Well, depending upon the climb of power between 4,500ish to redline.

Either way, this is false information when you imply powerband reflects performance of a built car. Not every build up is strictly top end.

Powerband does affect how a motor peforms. A street motor makes power from idle to 4500-6500rpm depending on the displacement. A race motor will make power from 3500-13000 rpm and a street strip motor from 2500-7500. I have never heard of any stock motor reving 900rpms higher than the same size engine with mods reving 900rpms less and making more hp. Even if you bored and stroked and motor it wouldn't lower your max power rpm by 900rpm. If you don't believe me talk to any person who builds engines for a living and tell him about this it makes no sense. Did you go to scion.com 103hp@6000rpm I was right huh. :lalala:

Powerband does affect how a motor peforms. A street motor makes power from idle to 4500-6500rpm depending on the displacement. A race motor will make power from 3500-13000 rpm and a street strip motor from 2500-7500. I have never heard of any stock motor reving 900rpms higher than the same size engine with mods reving 900rpms less and making more hp. Even if you bored and stroked and motor it wouldn't lower your max power rpm by 900rpm. If you don't believe me talk to any person who builds engines for a living and tell him about this it makes no sense. Did you go to scion.com 103hp@6000rpm I was right huh. :lalala:

Seriously, you either dont know how to put whats in your head into words or you honestly dont know anything. Im saying this nicely.

Your generalizations of how certain components in a car perform are probably the funniest thing Ive read on SL.com for awhile.

It is possible for a motor to make more power at a lower point in the RPM band in boosted applications.

Honestly, your generalizations are misleading and false for the most part. Stop being a bench racer and leave this thread.

BrianxB what Iam saying is when I added a s/c to my x/b my peak hp was @5900rpm and when it was stock it was @6000. My motor didn't lose 900rpm . I never said you can't make more power at a lower rpm with a boosted motor. What Iam saying is how do you add a s/c to the x/b motor and now it's peak hp is 900rpm lower. So you add a poweradder and lose 900rpm. Someone please explain to me how this works? :nope:

BrianxB what Iam saying is when I added a s/c to my x/b my peak hp was @5900rpm and when it was stock it was @6000. My motor didn't lose 900rpm . I never said you can't make more power at a lower rpm with a boosted motor. What Iam saying is how do you add a s/c to the x/b motor and now it's peak hp is 900rpm lower. So you add a poweradder and lose 900rpm. Someone please explain to me how this works? :nope:

Tuning. Simple.

Adding or pulling timing out of the motor or changing the a/f mix is not going to make your motor peak 900rpms earlier. Tuning may change your peak rpm not that much. I think he cut the dyno run early at 5100 and shows his dyno print out to some kids at the local street drags or the track. Next he races them for some money hits the nitrous button and takes home some nice cash. :clap:

Powerband does affect how a motor peforms. A street motor makes power from idle to 4500-6500rpm depending on the displacement. A race motor will make power from 3500-13000 rpm and a street strip motor from 2500-7500. I have never heard of any stock motor reving 900rpms higher than the same size engine with mods reving 900rpms less and making more hp. Even if you bored and stroked and motor it wouldn't lower your max power rpm by 900rpm. If you don't believe me talk to any person who builds engines for a living and tell him about this it makes no sense. Did you go to scion.com 103hp@6000rpm I was right huh. :lalala:

Tuning, just like Brian said. I admit, i'm young and still have much to learn however its obvious you know absolutely nothing. Yes, 103hp was right and i admit, i was wrong with that. I'm not "too much of a man" to admit when i'm wrong. Infact, thank you for correcting me. Now putting that aside, you are wrong on how the powerband effects performance my friend. End of story. Think what you want, but do not come in this thread giving information like this. Its false, misleading and i perfer keeping my threads i make as helpful and useful as possible to those that have less knowledge than myself or others. I have asked you nicely to leave, and i will ask you nicely again. Actually, you don't have to leave you this thread but i would perfer you to stop giving information like this. If you want to bring up your powerband theory, start your own thread to discuss it.

Oh, incase you are wondering what knowledge i have with motor build ups: n/a 97' gsr, 231whp @ 7,100rpm raised redline of 8,600rpm. low 13's 1/4 with custom gearing. I have also helped with f/i and other n/a builds on civics, integras, rsx-s, usdm tegra type-r, celica gt, helped a little on a 89' mustang project, motor swaps, re-builds.

It's possible with tuning and different mods to lower your powerband and make more power, just as its possible to increase your powerband and make more power. Same logic and process's for both. Only difference is, instead of tuning for top end you tune for more mid-low range.

Since you had no replies to your thread I thought I would get your thread going. You don't have to prove to me how much you know about cars since this isn't about you. Just have your friends buddy Justin get on scionlife post up time slips for 14.2 and lets see that dyno sheet. smiple right :idea:

relax.

BrianxB what Iam saying is when I added a s/c to my x/b my peak hp was @5900rpm and when it was stock it was @6000. My motor didn't lose 900rpm . I never said you can't make more power at a lower rpm with a boosted motor. What Iam saying is how do you add a s/c to the x/b motor and now it's peak hp is 900rpm lower. So you add a poweradder and lose 900rpm. Someone please explain to me how this works? :nope:

Technically Eddy, you don't "lose" 900 rpm. (That's actually only 100 rpms lower btw) Those rpm's are still there, it's just that on boosted applications, more so on turbos, that after a certain point, the power adder just can not add any more power. So it begins to taper off. This in turn means you hit your peak horsepower LOWER in the rpms than you would on a N/A engine. Turbo systems are notorious for this, and some superchargers that I have dealt with do it too, just not as often since they run off the belts instead of exhaust. Hope this helps to clarify.

he should throw in some injectors and a fuel rail and maybe he could b faster cuzz i dont see fuel management stuff listed and what is he drivin a auto or manuel?

^^^The greddy supercharger comes with a pre-programmed e-manage, so there is some of the fuel management. But I do agree, he could defintely help himself out by adding a fuel rail and possibly bigger injectors, if he doesn't already have that is.

He has fuel rail and injectors on the way, the list i gave you is what he has currently. Maybe we will hear from him on the boards sometime this week or next. He said next time hes on, too bad he has a life unlike me otherwise he would have already posted. :rofl:

haha to bad he stays like 40 min from da FL border if he stayed near ATLANTA i would ask for a race haha just for da fun of it :)

$173 speeding ticket on the way to work today will keep you from wanting to do ANY racing. Stupid blind curves... state tropper sitting on the inside shoulder... my own fault I guess. :eyebrow: Anyone recomend a good radar detector?

haha i got a ticket for loitering cuzz me and some others were watchin ppl race and dat ticket cost me $140 so basically i got charged for standing around haha we went in like 20 ppl deep for the same ticket might as well b a speeding ticket cuzz it cost me $140 for goin 20 over

300 hp usually gets 14's

My Chevelle was not even at 300hp and ran low 13's...where is this generalization coming from? :tap:

300 hp usually gets 14's

My Chevelle was not even at 300hp and ran low 13's...where is this generalization coming from? :tap:

wow onlee 13's then what does a gsr with I/H/E run in the 1/4?

300 hp usually gets 14's

My Chevelle was not even at 300hp and ran low 13's...where is this generalization coming from? :tap:

Exactly, my 231whp gsr ran low 13's. Ignore him, i'm still waiting for justin to get on here.
:rofl: :rofl:
my GSX with 210hp ran 14.6 off the showroom floor.....it evtually went a lot faster

wow onlee 13's then what does a gsr with I/H/E run in the 1/4?

i/h/e in the 1/4 runs high 14's with the gsr, 231whp with custom gearing, you tend to get wheel spin and remember, the faster you are its harder to shave off more time.

yep the jump from 13's to 12's I though was expensive..it was nothing compared what it cost to go to 11's

i was told by a close friend that a gsr with i/h/e would run low 15s and 14s if lucky

if it was an xb i say he had a 200mph wind at his back ..... around the whole track ..... maby that helped?

Justin Justin Justin Justin Justin.....:P

This is hard for me to believe. I am currently running the following setup and my best time so far has been 14.5@94.2mph in my xB:

TSI Turbo Kit with Stage 2 Fuel System
TSI Front-mount intercooler
Blitz Blow Off Valve
TSI Turbo Timer
Perrin Lightweight Crank Pulley
TRD Catback Exhaust with custom downpipe
TRD Clutch
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Apexi Voltage Stabilizer
Nology Hotwires with NGK Iridium Plugs,
TRD Short Shifter

He might be running at a higher PSI than I.

i was told by a close friend that a gsr with i/h/e would run low 15s and 14s if lucky

i/h/e i ran a constant 14.8-15.1 1/4, your close friend may not be as good of a driver as me..I don't know.

I spoke with justin for about a split second tonight, he said he will make an account within a day or so. I sent him a link to this page and he said he'll respond. He appologizes for the wait but he informed me hes rarely online.

So just wait a little while longer guys, he should be here soon. lol

Well guys, my name is Justin and i see that i am a popular one here. lol yes, i do run low 14's and yes i do have modifications done that i can not disclose right now for quite a few reasons. I do have a few mod's done that i'm doing testing done, where i'm either the only one to have this to date or i'm the only one in the us known to have ___. I'm sorry i can't tell you everything right now, but hey, deal with it.

Newest mods i can tell you about is i have a custom fuel rail system, injectors, custom rod, stronger and custom motor mounts and a completely new, redesigned exhaust system. I actually was recently re-dyno'd this past week at 158whp @ 5,200rpm, 133wtq @ 4,550rpm. I do also, have custom gear ratios for 1st-5th. Unfortunately, i cannot provide a dyno sheet right now because my home computer is in the shop with repairs, i'm using a loaner for right now. It's a piece of crap but oh well. My best time to date is 14.2, i plan to break 13's by summer.

If you have any questions, i will answer them as soon as possible but do not ask me for information on the mods i can't speak about right now. Once testing or the companies give me the okay, then i will be able to let you know whats instored for the box to come if everything works out. I will say, that over half the mods i have are strictly imported. In terms of weight reduction, the following is done: Carbon fiber hood, hatch, side pannels, no a/c, no radio or speakers, no backseats, no spare, jack or anything in the back, no air bags, rear wiper motor gone, front motor wiper gone, "light weight" battery. Yes, this car is set up specifically for the track so i didnt need what i took out.

Oh just so you guys know, i do have a stand alone being worked out and once that is installed i do hope to break 170's, if i do i will be in the 13's.

turboxB Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: ????

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This is hard for me to believe. I am currently running the following setup and my best time so far has been 14.5@107.3 in my xB:

TSI Turbo Kit with Stage 2 Fuel System
TSI Front-mount intercooler
Blitz Blow Off Valve
TSI Turbo Timer
DC Sports 4-1 Headers
Perrin Lightweight Crank Pulley
TRD Catback Exhaust with custom downpipe
TRD Clutch
Fidanza Aluminum Flywheel
Apexi Voltage Stabilizer
Nology Hotwires with NGK Iridium Plugs,
TRD Short Shifter

He might be running at a higher PSI than I. I am somewhat scared to run anything higher than 7 PSI. See if your buddy can find this guy and see what else he has on his setup.

nice setup but are something wrong there
TSI Turbo Kit with Stage 2 Fuel System
with.....
DC Sports 4-1 Headers
:relief: :relief: :relief:

I don't think so,

Your et and mph don't match not even close. If you are going lie make it a little real this is so fake. 107mph in the quarter you should be running in the mid to low 12 second zone and have 290hp at the wheels I doubt any x/b has put out 200hp at the wheels. If your said say 14.8 at 90mph or 13.3 at 102mph then I would not say anything. Lets see a dyno sheet and a time slip from the track. Where do you guys get off making up all this poo. :nope:

I don't think so,

Your et and mph don't match not even close. If you are going lie make it a little real this is so fake. 107mph in the quarter you should be running in the mid to low 12 second zone and have 290hp at the wheels I doubt any x/b has put out 200hp at the wheels. If your said say 14.8 at 90mph or 13.3 at 102mph then I would not say anything. Lets see a dyno sheet and a time slip from the track. Where do you guys get off making up all this poo. :nope:

Your information is so off, how do you think civic hatchbacks can do low 12's with only 180whp? Power to weight and gearing. Spare me your "logic", and please stay off my thread. I have asked you numerous times to stop posting this kind of false information on my thread.

With the right gearing, and power to weight a car can pull extremely hard in each gear and pull a fast 1/4 with low trap speed, or pull hard with a faster trap speed depending upon the car and so on. 290hp would put the xb in the low 12's? Please, spare me that. Quit going by the tC times because the tC with a driver weighs over 3,000lbs. Huge difference when you talk about lighter cars with much more aggressive gearing.

In closing, :ttth: and stay off my thread if you are going to continue talking about something you obviously can't accept because you believe the tC is a prime example of what every car can do.

Now, back to the original point of this thread...

smokedby1nz, thank you for coming to scionlife! I'm sure once others view your post, you will have some excellent questions or comments.

300whp on a tC will put you in the high 13's 1/4, and thats a 3,000lbs+ car with a driver. So that remark is out of the question. Not to mention i ran low 13's with 231whp and custom gearing in a integra gs-r.

Also about the 1,800lbs 138whp remark. It would not have to weigh 1,800lbs to get a 14.2. If the guy removed the a/c unit, all the seats and just had one racing seat, or two for the front, and gutted everything else and weighed him. I am willing to bet he would be in the 2,200lbs range. Like i said, i don't know what all he had done except what my friend told me. But its not impossible, some of you are really blowing up on here giving horrible information about what it takes to be in the low 14's.

zpi is running like 12.5's arent they with like 240 whp

so whoever in this thread is coming up with these numbers and times and ____ needs to die or just stop posting because its the most inaccurate posting ever,

my old camaro could put down 13s and it had just over 235 hp

zpi runs 12's with 300whp, now please stop talking about the tC. I only mentioned the tC because of Eddy's non-stop defense of false information.

This an xb thread, leave the tC out of it.

Justin;

Thanks for nothing, what no dyno sheet, broken computer, can't say what parts are on your box. Is this a black project with the goverment. I didn't see any video on your run or pics. Just proves when you make stuff up you can't back it up. Mph is true measure of your hp, et has to do with tranny gearing, rearend gears, traction your car's like lsd, tires, and the track your at. It is true that front wheel drive cars run more mph in the quarter since they don't hooked up as well as a rear wheel drive car.
That's why they have classes for front and rear wheel drive. If you see a high mph and a high et for that mph that means someone didn't set the car up right. Next if you see say a 12.2 at 102 that car is hooking up well ,you will lose some mph to lower your et thats ok. Most guys will add more power to their car go to the track and run more mph but not that much et since they didn't adjust their car for that amount of power. The best example I can give you is a car I saw in pro mod go 6.59@ only 200 at that time most guys were going 7 flat @200 and 6.6 @ 206 so hp is great but if you don't get it to the ground it's just a dyno sheet and a high mph with a crappy et. :blah:

hay justin how light is ur car?

Justin;

Thanks for nothing, what no dyno sheet, broken computer, can't say what parts are on your box. Is this a black project with the goverment. I didn't see any video on your run or pics. Just proves when you make stuff up you can't back it up. Mph is true measure of your hp, et has to do with tranny gearing, rearend gears, traction your car's like lsd, tires, and the track your at. It is true that front wheel drive cars run more mph in the quarter since they don't hooked up as well as a rear wheel drive car.
That's why they have classes for front and rear wheel drive. If you see a high mph and a high et for that mph that means someone didn't set the car up right. Next if you see say a 12.2 at 102 that car is hooking up well ,you will lose some mph to lower your et thats ok. Most guys will add more power to their car go to the track and run more mph but not that much et since they didn't adjust their car for that amount of power. The best example I can give you is a car I saw in pro mod go 6.59@ only 200 at that time most guys were going 7 flat @200 and 6.6 @ 206 so hp is great but if you don't get it to the ground it's just a dyno sheet and a high mph with a crappy et. :blah:

I gave you guys a list of his mods before he was here, he also added the fact exactly what he had done as far as weight reduction and also mentioned he had some new stuff on there. He never said he couldn't list everything, just specific mods. How about reading next time before you post implying someone refuses to say anything.

Also, how about you ask him being respectful if he has a computer at his work or when he gets his computer back, to post some stuff up. You will get further doing that than just blaming someone for not posting enough information to please you.

nightwishkid - 2,050lbs without me in the car.

Eddy2006 - Killerxromances mentioned me using an office computer, unfortunately i cannot use the computers there for personal business. but once i get my computer back i can give you all the proof you need including pictures, dyno, and two videos that will be made either this weekend or next week. i dont feel the need to prove anything to you though, because reading the post you have posted tells me two things. you hate being wrong and you dont have a clue as to what you are talking about when comes down to whp and the ability to pull fast times.

I don't think so,

Your et and mph don't match not even close. If you are going lie make it a little real this is so fake. 107mph in the quarter you should be running in the mid to low 12 second zone and have 290hp at the wheels I doubt any x/b has put out 200hp at the wheels. If your said say 14.8 at 90mph or 13.3 at 102mph then I would not say anything. Lets see a dyno sheet and a time slip from the track. Where do you guys get off making up all this poo. :nope:

Wow it looks like you get slammed on here when you make any typos. The real time has been changed.

cant wait to c da vids....naw i wanna drive down south to c Justin run it on the track well i would luv to but i dont think i can drive like 5-6 hours by myself haha

2050 without me in the car, well last time I checked you need to be inside the car to race so add your body weight to your total race weight. I know maybe it's a rc controlled car like on mythbusters. Thats why you will see fat owner's hire out skinny race driver so not to slow the car down with all that extra weight plus some fat guys can't fit in the car . I see this all the time at the track. First bonehead talks all this crap on how fast he will run before ever racing his new ride or new turbo or s/c or nitrous then new racer goes to the track andevery time the car is slower by 1 second and next new racer get back to earth. I don't make this up that's how it's always been. PS: Justin show me the money :pray:

2050 without me in the car, well last time I checked you need to be inside the car to race so add your body weight to your total race weight. I know maybe it's a rc controlled car like on mythbusters. Thats why you will see fat owner's hire out skinny race driver so not to slow the car down with all that extra weight plus some fat guys can't fit in the car . I see this all the time at the track. First bonehead talks all this crap on how fast he will run before ever racing his new ride or new turbo or s/c or nitrous then new racer goes to the track andevery time the car is slower by 1 second and next new racer get back to earth. I don't make this up that's how it's always been. PS: Justin show me the money :pray:

Why are you trying to pick a fight man? Everything he says you have something to say in a negative way. 2050, even if he weighed 250lbs thats 2,300lbs of a car, thats still extremely light and no matter how you look at it, thats still 400lbs lighter than what it would be compared to a stock xb, which is still light. How do you know hes even a big guy, maybe he only weighs 140lbs. My point is, you are assuming way too much about this guy. Relax.

Do you know what track he went to here in GA? I've never heard or seen an RS1 with any c/f on it, but will be on the look out for it.

No idea, i'll ask next time i talk to my friend and find out for you. I'm pretty sure its southern georgia because my friend lives about 30-40 minutes from the Fl line.
Judging from the givin locatoin, I am willing to bet it was South Georgia motor speed way which is in Cecil Ga, less than an hour north of Florida.

BTW, I have lived in this area my entire life and haven't seen a single Hot Lava Xb of any sort.

2050 without me in the car, well last time I checked you need to be inside the car to race so add your body weight to your total race weight. I know maybe it's a rc controlled car like on mythbusters. Thats why you will see fat owner's hire out skinny race driver so not to slow the car down with all that extra weight plus some fat guys can't fit in the car . I see this all the time at the track. First bonehead talks all this crap on how fast he will run before ever racing his new ride or new turbo or s/c or nitrous then new racer goes to the track andevery time the car is slower by 1 second and next new racer get back to earth. I don't make this up that's how it's always been. PS: Justin show me the money :pray:
no offense dude but what have you built that makes you an expert..... from what I can see here you don't really know that much.....prove me wrong
just because you haven't seen or done it..doesn't mean it doesn't exist........

No one here is picking any fights Iam only saying you must add your body weight even if you only are 140 it's still counts. As far as being negative I just call it being honest and real. I just want to see some pics and a dyno sheet and most important the video. Is that to much to ask for? Sciond Iam an expert because an expert knows more than the average person. By the way I have built 8 race cars over the years with help from all my friends who work at dealers or own a repair shop or high performance tune shop. So I would say I know a thing or two about cars and racing. :yawn:

No one here is picking any fights Iam only saying you must add your body weight even if you only are 140 it's still counts. As far as being negative I just call it being honest and real. I just want to see some pics and a dyno sheet and most important the video. Is that to much to ask for? Sciond Iam an expert because an expert knows more than the average person. By the way I have built 8 race cars over the years with help from all my friends who work at dealers or own a repair shop or high performance tune shop. So I would say I know a thing or two about cars and racing. :yawn:

An expert huh? Expert does not mean you know more than the average person, it means that you have professionalized the field in which you study and you have a wide, broad knowledge of what it takes, how it should be taken. You have not shown me that you are an expert. An expert would understand it doesn't take 290whp on an xb to reach 13's, an expert would also realize with given mods and the situation 148whp would in fact be possible of low 14's in an xb. The other guy with the turbo set up is seeing mid-14's, and with his set up i would pretty much guess he has around 135-140whp.

Expert? I highly doubt if you can't even throw in common sense of power-to-weight in the mixture of your out come. All those numbers you have based your knowledge on lines up perfectly with the tC times. Which i might add you are basing this as a result of all cars, with a 3,000lbs+ car. If this was a tC thread, i would agree with you for the most part except your powerband theories and other things you have said in regards of performance.

yep yep yep i agree with killerx.......

yep yep yep i agree with killerx.......

It's sad what this thread has turned into :nope:
All nightwishkid did was ask how much his car weighed. I suppose you wanna know how big a breakfast he ate before going to the track :roll:


smokedby1nz, I'd be interested in seeing the xB in action. Please let us know the next time/place you plan on running in the GA area. I'm looking forward to the pics/vids too.

wagenmaster, i plan to go to the track again possibly within the next week but i won't be going again after that for a while until i get some more parts in i've ordered from japan. the parts i have coming in combined with the standalone could possibly put me in the 190whp range, but i'm not completely sure. i'll keep you guys updated if you want me to. i've started having a fuel issue that i need to fix first..should be no big deal.

eddy2006, if it makes you feel better the car weighs 2,050lbs..with me it weighs 2,204lbs exactly.

joemamasmurf, ive been to that track before. actually though, this was particular time that killerxromances has refered to was in northern georgia. you may see me occasionally in the gwinnett/atlanta/decab area's.

just to keep you updated. i need to do some 4th and 5th gear changes because 14.2 is fastest i'm able to go right now. In part because of the power i have putting down, but i also topped out and had no rpm left when i hit 14.2..in other words, i am geared too short/close and i need to spread out either 4th and 5th more, just 5th more, or find me a 6th gear/new trans.

for the record 14.2 = 101.2mph for me, and 101mph i'm at 6,200rpm give or take. If i can manage to spread it out and be able to reach around 115mph with the added power, i should be happier.

I can't wait to see how hard you pull. Do you drive the box on the street or is it strictly track? Sounds like a blast either way. I hope you get your fuel situation taken care of, are you getting too much fuel or not enough fuel?

Keep us updated!

the et and mph match closely... i think you should be running faster though since your car is so light... what are your 60's like?

the et and mph match closely... i think you should be running faster though since your car is so light... what are your 60's like?

You have to also remember that he probably has horrible wheel spin with the aggressive gearing and the power. That would contribute to the time.

*Especially with how light the car is.*

deng i have to drive around on da highway more often in between the gwennet and dekalb areas in hopes of seeing a RS1 with a carbon fiber hood haha.........now i wanna c Justin run a(n) integra gsr at da track and i wanna b there to recorded it so i can b like yea Xb's are fast well fast enough to hang with a GSR

i dont believe any of this. an xb that weighs 2050. what is it completely stripped. no interior , no bumper supports , no glass?

smokedby1nz Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:47 pm
In terms of weight reduction, the following is done: Carbon fiber hood, hatch, side pannels, no a/c, no radio or speakers, no backseats, no spare, jack or anything in the back, no air bags, rear wiper motor gone, front motor wiper gone, "light weight" battery.


How much wait would that take off? Subtract that weight from a Curb weight of 2450lb

so how about a lil math :P lets find out how much weight he dropped

2,450lb - 2,050lb = 400lb of weight dropped off his car...............

all in all how much did the stuff he took out weigh together? and vice versa for the stuff he put on

p.s. would they still let you run it on the track if you had no glass???

i dont believe any of this. an xb that weighs 2050. what is it completely stripped. no interior , no bumper supports , no glass?

darren, he said no a/c, no headunit or speakers, and the interior is stripped except for two seats in the front.

i still dont believe that much weight was shed. what a waste of a 14k car. not even useable.

some people have alot of money...or at least sources for lots of money/parts.

*sigh*

I'm interested in seeing this xB in action...get some vid's man!

I believe that anything is possible and I am in no way an expert...I am just using these figures because weight and horsepower are close to what was used to achieve the 14.2 1/4 mile by smokedby1nz...These figures are from a Lotus Elise:

Standard Engine 1.8L 190 hp I4
Horsepower 190 @ 7800 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 138 @ 6800 RPM
1/4 mile 13.3 seconds @ 102.9 mph...

Now I know it is not the same car as the xB...I'm using it as an example...The weight of the Lotus is approx 1950 pounds where as smokedby1nz was 2050 pounds...Remeber, the Lotus is 190hp at the motor, not to the wheels...If smokedby1nz is putting down close to 160 to the wheels it is enirely possible that he is running 14.2's...I can't cait to see the vid's of an xB running in the 14's...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/smokedby1nz/dynosheet1.jpg

yes you are reading this correct! personally i wasnt expecting this, but im not complaining either! 212whp and 177wtq. after an exhausting few weeks of tuning and installing the stand alone, new injectors, new fuel rail, also have a new rod, and other adjustments. long nights have paid off.

went to the track yesterday, and i offically am happy. ran three times and fastest time i managed 12.9... right now i have custom axles and joints being made, as well as a few other things.

If this is for real, :clap: :bow:

I have no reason to doubt.
That curve is RIDICULOUS. Looks like it pulls like a mofo.

Also, that A/F ratio doesnt look too sweet. I mean, thats a whole lotta fuel in the 4k range, but it looks like you got it set after 5.5k rpms. Its not driven on the street right?

deng man you so gotta make a vid of your car at the track it would b awsome (i think thats how you spell it haha) after all the things done is it still a daily driven car?

im assuming your the first xb in the 12s......gotta give you some props and now i really gotta do some driving to find me a RS1 with a carbon fiber hood haha

I don't know if this is street or not, but i seriously doubt it is being that in the previous pages he was talking about no a/c or anything. Basically stripped to the fullest. Smokedby1nz, have you thought about adding a few lbs back? It might help with some of the traction issues. 212whp is a crap load of whp for a light car. :clap: I think if you added some weight back, you could probably pull a better time.

Your a/f ratio is a little off before you hit 4,900rpm. Are you still having that fuel issue you spoke of earlier? Anything you plan to do to correct that?

Are you about done or are you wanting to do more? It sounds like your motor is 70-80% built. I don't know how much more you could do, especially since i don't know all the mods you have.

Oh, do you have a different s/c pulley? If so how much psi are you running? I'd love to see a video.

HOLY BAGEEZUS!!! Those numbers are incredble. I'm more than impressed. Hmmm, I'm curious though Justin, these mods that you can't talk about, do u know if they're available for the xa?

Gotta hand it to ya, running high12's in an xb. It's just mindblowing. Not to mention having 212 whp and 177wtq! Looking forward to any vids. Keep us posted!

h aha ha ., sure he is........ sure he is. and even if he is . he's running an echo main ecu with a piggyback or a racing standalone. which means , no more abs , no more vsc , no more trac.

he's also supposedly got even lower gears meaning 80mph is probably close to 5,000 or 6,000 rpm .

in other words it's a brand new non streetable uncomfortable , hardly useable waste of 15k plus the upgrades.

I still don't believe much of any of it. but yes it's possible but it's a waste of money and totally unstreetable.

he shouldda just went with a yaris or echo. lighter to start with. and if it's gutted and all that jazz with gearing and such who cares what it looks like if no one ever see's it cause tyou can't / won't take it on the street?

On the dybo graph, why do the HP and Torque not crossover at 5252 rpm? They don't cross untill 6400 or so, which is just wrong.

Dyno smells like B.S. to me.

how is it wrong? if he got valve springs, valves, cams, cam gears, crank and some other stuff his redline should of went up but thats assuming he did all that stuff

notice how everything is "assuming"

haha i know right..........

Sure, this could all be crap but first everyone wants a dyno sheet, bam its provided. Now everyone thinks its wrong or hes wrong, then you want a video. Then you guys will find something wrong about the video. Honestly, lighten up a bit guys. Sure, this may not be real and i understand that. However, i haven't seen him give any reason for us to doubt him as of yet so i say just believe it. Until something else comes up later that disproves everything, i'm going to say great job.

exactly thank you, all u guys do is complain. his work doesnt affect you in any way! does it matter if its right or wrong. i believe its right, but hes put a lota work in it and i wonder how bad he feels from u guys bashing him. i am appluding him :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: thank you for showing us that it can be done i jus wana see some walk throughs that i could do like injectors and what not!

haha i wouldnt mind a walk through but i rather see him around on the streets and check his car out in person haha.......did he bore his block or is it still 1.5l? i wonder how it pulls.........

A fully built dedicated drag xB. Hilarious to think about doin but cool none-the-less. You know, this guy could just be loaded or he found a wrecked xB for cheap or something. We dont know his story.

I still think its awesome...even if it doesnt turn out true...

Smokedby...

If you did this, nice, but I am looking at the image of the you posted af the dyno run. and looking at the hp curve, it appears to max out much higher than the listed 211.9 hp. Look at 5300 RPM, just before the words "Max TORQUE" It looks like the curve shows 220 at that point.

It stinks.

something is terribly wrong with this dyno graph.

Please post here or PM me the next date you plan to go to a N. Georgia track. I'd like to see this beast and document it for all to see.
:clap:

i kind of expected people to shut me down for posting something everyone wanted to see. its almost ignorant some of you, because its a 1nz theres something wrong with the power i am putting down. to answer a few questions.. 220whp it seems to hit, however i can ensure you that it doesn't. two dyno runs before this one showed 210 and 215whp. 212whp was the last one, because it was in the middle i choose this one to post.
as for pictures, i can take pictures of the box but it wont be for a few weeks. im going to germany for vacation and then japan to pick up some parts before heading back to the states. i will be leaving monday and wont be returning for the next three weeks, it is possible i will be able to post more because i will be taking my lap top but i will have nothing new to offer until i come back. i do have a custom pulley on the supercharger, i'm running currently 12.5psi. i rarely drive this on the street, however i do occasionally but not for long distances. usually its just to go to the shop or track. who would drive it on the street, i only see around 11mpg...price to pay to have a fully built 1nz. the redline is 7,100rpm for those that talked about why the crossover wasnt 5,252 or around that area.
itsme, i smoke the tires between 1st and 3rd. i am going to be adding weight back into the car, more than likely the a/c unit and lines as well as the seats and i'll see how it holds then. as for the fuel ratio, i still haven't solved the issue yet however what you see is a great improvement over what it was.
what part of northern georgia are you referring to? next time i am in the area i will pm you and anyone else willing to come out to the track. i can post a dyi on anything you would like. I hope i have been helpful to questions brought up, heres a complete list of modifications i have done to date and will be doing in the near future, if anyone has questions feel free to ask..
weight reduction, cf hood, hatch, side pannels, stand alone, jdm custom fit head port and polish, upgraded cam (will not say what cam i used at this time), custom rods, injectors, valve springs, "stage 3" clutch, short shifter, shorter throttle cable, custom gears 1st-5th, custom 1lbs crank pulley, intake, custom 4-1 header, custom short exhaust, 2.5'' piping, greddy supercharger with custom 12.5 psi pulley, ground wiring system, 15x8 rims front, 16x9 rims rear, big break kit, custom motor mounts, 8:5:1 pistons, custom drive shaft, strut, hks coilovers, custom front and rear sways, (frame mount) this is all i can think of right now. i may have missed a few things, replaced all motor belts but i believe this covers majority of it.

things to come..custom axles, possible new supercharger pulley to bump from 12.5psi to 14psi, possible 1.7l stroke kit.

12.5 psi ? what s/c are you using. lol


nothing like aliar poster / super power snob to not post which parts are used , and such and so forth.

i've never got why peopel keep such things secret. so no one elese will ever get the same result without spening and spending and spending lookin for the right part by trial and error.

it's pretty messed up. tuners should help each other out



if this whole mess of a story is true congrats on the speeds you've supposedly obtained , too bad it's basically a wasted vehicle now.

must be nice to be rich.......

jdm custom fit head port and polish



what the hell does that mean ?

the jdm head's are for the same displacement or less how would anything about them be better?


did you get your head ported and polished by having a japanese guy do it? lol does jdm tuning have special specs for porting and polishing that we don't in america ?

300whp on a tC will put you in the high 13's 1/4, and thats a 3,000lbs+ car with a driver. So that remark is out of the question. Not to mention i ran low 13's with 231whp and custom gearing in a integra gs-r.

Also about the 1,800lbs 138whp remark. It would not have to weigh 1,800lbs to get a 14.2. If the guy removed the a/c unit, all the seats and just had one racing seat, or two for the front, and gutted everything else and weighed him. I am willing to bet he would be in the 2,200lbs range. Like i said, i don't know what all he had done except what my friend told me. But its not impossible, some of you are really blowing up on here giving horrible information about what it takes to be in the low 14's.

where is everyone getting their info from?

I was running low 12's in an allmotor integra with 246whp. That whp should of had me in the high 11's at 2200lbs(i was running at 2385) all these calculations and slide rule stuff is NOT real life. Its based off alot more things then some chart. peak torque, traction, gearing, driver, where power tapers off...many things. There is NOT a set rule what so ever. If your doing hp calcualtions...why sure...you have a few numbers you can figure things out...but its not going to tell you what your quarter mile time is.

12.5 psi ? what s/c are you using. lol


nothing like aliar poster / super power snob to not post which parts are used , and such and so forth.

i've never got why peopel keep such things secret. so no one elese will ever get the same result without spening and spending and spending lookin for the right part by trial and error.

it's pretty messed up. tuners should help each other out



if this whole mess of a story is true congrats on the speeds you've supposedly obtained , too bad it's basically a wasted vehicle now.

must be nice to be rich.......

Hello, I just wanted to say you have alot of knoweldge about cars, but I see you in alot of posts and you should try to be more optimistic. You definately don't hesitate to post if you feel something ain't right. Criticism is ok, but understand you catch more flies with honey.

i haven't heard that term in a long time.

its best to try to stay neutral on all subjects until at least you have all the facts.

I wonder if people even know that this little 1.5 liter has sleeves available already. Sleeve it, build it and it'll stay together with management. Thats with most motors as long as the rod/stroke ratio isn't too goofy.

I'm old school.LOL

I'm older school at 39 years old!!!

whats funny is...i think someone should contact Bisi Ezerioha and ask him how he got his 1.5 liter allmotor crx into the low 10's

i also see nothing wrong with having fun getting an xB to run a 1/4mile.

its a different breed...but good for them

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

http://www.turbominivan.com/ontheweb.htm

Even if the redline was raised, EVERY dyno graph will have the crossover at 5252 rpm, regardless of redline, horsepower, or anything. That is just the forumula for horsepower, so that HP and Torque are always equal at that point.

That's awesome if you really have done everything you say, but the dyno graphs don't match up right.

i stay on the southeast side of Atlanta you know the ghetto's of Clayton and Dekalb Counties but it would b nice to get a pm from yah so i could check out your car and c how it runs and such things and maybe i could take flix........a DIY would b great.......

300whp on a tC will put you in the high 13's 1/4, and thats a 3,000lbs+ car with a driver. So that remark is out of the question. Not to mention i ran low 13's with 231whp and custom gearing in a integra gs-r.

Also about the 1,800lbs 138whp remark. It would not have to weigh 1,800lbs to get a 14.2. If the guy removed the a/c unit, all the seats and just had one racing seat, or two for the front, and gutted everything else and weighed him. I am willing to bet he would be in the 2,200lbs range. Like i said, i don't know what all he had done except what my friend told me. But its not impossible, some of you are really blowing up on here giving horrible information about what it takes to be in the low 14's.

where is everyone getting their info from?

I was running low 12's in an allmotor integra with 246whp. That whp should of had me in the high 11's at 2200lbs(i was running at 2385) all these calculations and slide rule stuff is NOT real life. Its based off alot more things then some chart. peak torque, traction, gearing, driver, where power tapers off...many things. There is NOT a set rule what so ever. If your doing hp calcualtions...why sure...you have a few numbers you can figure things out...but its not going to tell you what your quarter mile time is.

I live near Athens, but wouldn't mind a lil drive to check it out :D

12.5 psi ? what s/c are you using. lol


nothing like aliar poster / super power snob to not post which parts are used , and such and so forth.

i've never got why peopel keep such things secret. so no one elese will ever get the same result without spening and spending and spending lookin for the right part by trial and error.

it's pretty messed up. tuners should help each other out



if this whole mess of a story is true congrats on the speeds you've supposedly obtained , too bad it's basically a wasted vehicle now.

must be nice to be rich.......

i dont mind you harassing my car..but if you are going to do it you need to read what i say. greddy supercharger with custom made 12.5psi pulley i hope this is the last time i need to repeat myself. also, the head is a 5E-FHE head, port and polished. the gains with this head was 8whp more than the gains of the 1nz head port and polished that we tried orignially.

Lets see the video,as far as 1/4 mile calculations yes they do work, only if you plug in the right info first you have to be honest with yourself and know what the hell you are building and doing!My last car ran within 9 thousands of a second in the quarter mile. Compared to what my calculator said it would run so its not that hard to figure out. So numbers don't lie only people and their pumped up dyno numbers. dyno numbers are for guys who will never race their ride at the track. Because they say I don't want to hurt their car. So why on earth did you build it up for the dyno? 12.9 yeh right I don't think any x/b broke a 14 let alone run a 12.9. Why don't you tell us who made your inner and outer axels and lsd and what kind of tires you are running and at what psi. Your story has to many holes in it. Tell us about every single part on the car then I would think you were real. :nope:

I really hope this is true, but the dyno graph doesnt make sense to me at all

1nz has potential, its like a D series from honda. Not the greatest motor, but it does have potential. You just have to be willing to pay the price to get the power you are looking for. Honestly, 200whp+ in the box is ridiculously fast. I am willing to bet if smokedby1nz put a little more weight back into the box, it will pull a better time with less tire spin. If he gained traction before 3rd i bet his time would be much faster. Smoking tires 1st-3rd and still pulling a 12.9 says something guys.

I am still not believing it

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i'm to believe that the 5efhe head bolts on? ummm yeah sure.


oh and sorry for not reading every single post about your car. no matter what it is all of it seems fishy and not just cause your results are astronomical.

i'm to believe that the 5efhe head bolts on? ummm yeah sure.


oh and sorry for not reading every single post about your car. no matter what it is all of it seems fishy and not just cause your results are astronomical.

He did say custom fit, if he does have this head it probably has custom mounts and the such in order for it to bolt on. I'm assuming thats what he meant. I know for a fact the 5efhe head does directly bolt on to a few usdm 1.5l's, the 1nz could very well be one of them but i doubt it.

i don't know anything about anything, but i always find it funny when people talk ish and then ask the person they were bagging on to go and post alllll their specifics, like he cares. i wouldn't care if a bunch of people on scionlife thought i was lying or not.
I don't believe you, please spend a hour typing up an essay on your car and specifics so that i can read it and see if i believe you then. just doesn't seem like a good way to get the info you want.
with that being said, i'm a firm believer in seeing is believing, and right now i haven't seen anything.
this is in no way meant to be a flame on anyone on this thread, just an observation. maybe you all weren't meaning to come across that way, but it did to me. *shrug*

i don't know anything about anything, but i always find it funny when people talk ish and then ask the person they were bagging on to go and post alllll their specifics, like he cares. i wouldn't care if a bunch of people on scionlife thought i was lying or not.
I don't believe you, please spend a hour typing up an essay on your car and specifics so that i can read it and see if i believe you then. just doesn't seem like a good way to get the info you want.
with that being said, i'm a firm believer in seeing is believing, and right now i haven't seen anything.
this is in no way meant to be a flame on anyone on this thread, just an observation. maybe you all weren't meaning to come across that way, but it did to me. *shrug*

Good point. Believing is seeing, i believe that too. I see a dyno sheet, sure it could be fake but you know..I'm willing to give this guy a chance. I have nothing to loose on it, its not my box. I wouldn't be surprised if these people scare him off sort of speak. Obviously hes not online often, he spends the time to write and post his information on here and for what? People to bash him and then tell him he needs to post more information. Yeah, okay. Very wise. If it was me, i wouldn't want to help others that give me crap like this.

People need to realize that a lot of people that have a ton of money into their cars, doesn't mean they post all the time. Infact, usually they are busy doing their own project and everything they never go on forums. This is a prime example as to why people don't.

Needs to be locked. some people are morons, and thats all i'm going to say.

Per authors request...

LOCKED!