A friend of mine pointed this out to me:

http://350zforum.com/tech/groundweb/groundweb.aspx

What I find so interesting is not so much the inexpensive cost of parts, small amount of labor required, or the minor gains in horsepower on a larger engine. What piqued my interest in this was this line here:

"Some other ground web users on other makes and models of cars have reported easier starting, smoother idling, crisper throttle response, etc."

THAT is what I feel like I need, as much as more power. Yes, I realize that the 350Z is a V6, blah blah blah. The throttle response is what I want to improve. It can make ALL the difference, especially when on a track (my primary driving interest). Has anyone fabricated or bought anything similar to this, other than the generic grounding wire kits? If so, describe the build/fabrication, etc, please.

 

mmw makes a ignition eqaulizer that looks way better but either way dont expect gains from it (i know you said you werent its more pointed to other that read this)

and to increace throttle responce there isnt realy mutch we can do although are gas pedal is adjustable that might help plus you can put a shim inbetween the pedal and switch for the throttle

 

Yeah this looks like the only thing that'll increase throttle response. For a mere $30, you can't beat that, though. I'm not an electrician, so I'm a little leary of randomly replacing cables under my hood, even though I'm fairly certain the end result would be at least as good as before. I'm actually looking around for grounding/wiring kits specifically for the tC right now. Has anyone purchased one? What are your reactions to it? Any increase, however slight, in throttle resonse?

 

you dont replace wires you add wires to ground at new points and there are some on here with grounding kits (you can get nice looking fake hks ones on ebay )

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SCION...spagenameZWDVW


there you go thats one of them they look nice and im sure they work just as well so if you realy want one pick one up

 

No thanks. I'm going for the real thing only. This isn't a show car, it's a track car. I'm cutting no corners, that's for sure. I'm also trying to figure out the relevance of the Weapon R ignition equalizer. I see posts that indicate it helps idle and throttle response (a little) when combined with their grounding kit and voltage stabilizer.
BTW, nice to see you got the TWM Short Throw too.. I HIGHLY recommend their black Weighted Bombshell ****.. I love mine dearly.

 

Don't get the equalizer... it doesn't even look like the picture shown and is quite a dissapointment... It's a piece of metal with a loop on it... you could make something with cable that does the same thing VERY easily and still probably get hardly any real "Response" out of it.

You won't really get a crazy amount of power/stability/response for any grounding kit... more a mental help than anything really, but I'd buy one that looks good, cause it might as well look good, since I doesn't DO much...

 

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lol thats what i said wires are wires the only time it will make a diffrance is realy the guage and the insulation if they are prone to interferance witch these shouldnt be since there just grounding to random spots not actualy grounds for actual devices

 

Well F that noise then. :-p I wasn't expecting 'crazy' response improvement.. Just a marginally noticeable improvement. Any tiny bit of an edge that I can gain is still an edge I'll have over someone else. It's hard for me to discount the small stuff for that reason. Hooray for not wasting the money.

 

hey.. pm me... i made my own grounding kit using some cheap 8 gauge wire and, well.. for me... i felt a difference.

also... haha.. i have the TWM stage 2 w/ bombshell **** too..

i love my Bombshell.

 

not to rain on anybody's parade or anything but the throttle lag is due to the drive by wire nothing else there are a few cheep shim mod's that help shorten the delay caused by the free space between the pedal and switch but that is about all. now there is no need to waste money on grounding kit's when you can get better resault's from running your own wire's that way you will get a custom job that look's good insted of hackshack.

 

I am well aware of what causes the majority of the throttle lag. As I've made clear before (and no one seems to pay attention to it), I'm doing every little thing I can to correct it, even slightly.

 

Then you should do nothing because that will be the end result. Throttle lag is not a problem if it is consistant. Learn to anticipate it and correct accordingly. The fastest way around the track is with experience, not gimmicky doo-dads that don't do anything.

 

Believe what you will. I've done enough reading and have enough of a grasp of fundamental electronics to know that the designer of that grounding web is onto something, even if all it gets me is a smoother idle. It's less than $30 for the parts, and if you can't spare that much, I don't know what to tell you.

 

If you're all read up and your electronic knowlege base is up to speed, then what was the point of your post? If I was convinced it was worthwhile, capable of building it, and could scrape up the required $30, I'm quite sure it would be built already. And yes, the designer of the grounding web IS on to something; MAKING MONEY! I too have done a little reading and have enough of a grasp of fundamental electronics ( and some quite advanced electronics also! ) to know what the grounding kits do. I am also quite familiar with the electrical system of your car and its engine control system. If you can solve the electronic throttle lag for $30, you could make a killing selling your product! If you spend the $30 and get no results, remember what I told you. Good luck in your ventures.

 

Part of the point of these forums is talking ideas through to see if they're feasible, which we're doing here. If you're going to be condescending in your criticism, don't bother putting your two cents into any thread I create. I appreciate input, not insults.

Anyway, discussion yields a lack of evidence to warrant the construction of said ground web for the car. Time to look into the aforementioned cheap shiv mod. As I made clear before, the lag isn't awful, just noticeable, and can be dealt with by simply compensating for it.
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You mean condescending like this post? and insulting like this statement? You didn't seem to appreciate this input.So which is it?I don't exactly recall where it was that you made this clear before, but I do believe that I mentioned it. You were inquiring about alleviating some throttle lag with a ground wire addition and seemed to come to the conclusion:I was merely correcting this faulty conclusion as simply as possible. I'm sorry if your panties got ruffled, but how would you have liked to been told? I was also wondering about your comment about a smoother idle. Is your idle not smooth now? Just curious...

 

oh snap YO you got served

*crowed chearing*
served!!! served!!! served!!! served!!! served!!!
*crowed chearing*

lol

 

No "serving" intended, just stating the facts. If you are a young TC owner who could possibly be interested in actually learning about some of these mods, I would highly suggest you attend the Sport City Scion Masters meet on the 19th. The who's who of the Scion community will all be there and you could get some ideas and meet some people that could help you out with any aspect of your car you are interested in. You could check out some supercharged cars and see some really trick boxes. I think if you met me there you would find that I am only about half as much an A-hole as I appear. This is where you can learn how to make a TC fast and what works and what doesn't. Did I mention the free food?......

 

You = right
Me = wrong

At least I learned something. Which is the point. I apologize for seeming condescending about the knowledge about electronics thing. I was trying to give you a basis for a response, so you didn't have to assume I know nothing or assume I knew more than I did. The crack about the $30 thing was intended to read "If you can't afford a $30 mod for your car (assuming it was a mod that WORKED, unlike this one), you probably arn't in a financial situation where it would benefit you to do anything other than just pay on the loan". I've been there before (Cavalier), so I know alot of times its better just to get out of debt first. As for the Scion Masters thing, its a good thing you mentioned it. I'm out of touch. Probably with reality.

And my idle is smooth. It was ever so slightly rough until I got my oil changed yesterday.