I was told that a 06 civic ex can beat an 05 tC.

when i heard this from this guy, i knew he was lieing because he always says he can beat anyone (anyone he hates) or if he is really close to a friend, his friend can beat someone he isnt close to. if it seems reasonable to lose to a type of car, he stays quiet. so.. this is the story:

He told me his friend with an 06 civic ex can beat me. I am auto and the ex is stick.
I understand that but how can a tC with 160 hp twin cams lose to a 140 hp 06 civic ex with a single cam? Also, the tC has more potential than that ex cause we have 2.4 liters while the ex has 1.8 liters. I also got a cai and the civic is stock. I know this guy's ex really well. After i heard this, I thought to myself that he is trying to say that any auto tC will lose to an 06 civic ex that is stick. Im not trying to start any fights with ex owners or anything. just made me mad. so what do you guys think?

race him and shut him up

race him and shut him up

yea...i haven't ahd the chance to race a new Si yet, so couldn't tell ya

my friend with a stick tC raced him and beat him already. the guy didnt want to admit that he lost. he has an auto max and im gonna race him some time.

No way no how :P unless he has somesort of FI. Civic EX does 0-60 in like almost 9 seconds I think.

my friend raced the guy with the maxima, not the ex. just clearing up things

I was told that a 06 civic ex can beat an 05 tC.

when i heard this from this guy, i knew he was lieing because he always says he can beat anyone (anyone he hates) or if he is really close to a friend, his friend can beat someone he isnt close to. if it seems reasonable to lose to a type of car, he stays quiet. so.. this is the story:

He told me his friend with an 06 civic ex can beat me. I am auto and the ex is stick.
I understand that but how can a tC with 160 hp twin cams lose to a 140 hp 06 civic ex with a single cam? Also, the tC has more potential than that ex cause we have 2.4 liters while the ex has 1.8 liters. I also got a cai and the civic is stock. I know this guy's ex really well. After i heard this, I thought to myself that he is trying to say that any auto tC will lose to an 06 civic ex that is stick. Im not trying to start any fights with ex owners or anything. just made me mad. so what do you guys think?


unless its just the sedan, it would eat you ...i raced the new si with a good driver driving the si then we swapped and let me tell you ...my tc schools the new si by about 2 car lengths ... i have cia/ s pipe-header/ colder spark plugs and a gutted interior

watch out the new hondas will be sitting on any auto tc out there

depends alot on what the new ex weight is and how its geared but knowing older civics (im not keen on any thing newer then an 00) it would stomp the crap out a tc with 140 hp but then again it probly is heavy as a tc now so i dont know




i would say its up to the driver becosue i know some locals whos names will remain un stated lol who have lost to stock f22 sohc accords with auto trannys and he had an auto tc with a intake lol no matter how good your car is if you cant drive it you can loose

race him and shut him up

yea...i haven't ahd the chance to race a new Si yet, so couldn't tell ya

hes not even talking about an si hes talking about garbage ex ( si would dust us 197 hp)

race him and shut him up

yea...i haven't ahd the chance to race a new Si yet, so couldn't tell ya

hes not even talking about an si hes talking about garbage ex ( si would dust us 197 hp)

i realized that after i posted, oh well. i don't like reading long posts
i think i could take an Si

well... his car is the 2 door and btw its an ex lol

the new si wont dust us , comes down to the driver, the gearing on that thing is made for like normal people that drive their cars not blow things the hell off the road lol

if your tc is gutsy and can really lay it down in the beginning , you can walk anything, i beat a jetta last night cause the _____ tried to pass me on a red light for no reason at all ....it was kinda cute lol

but then before i lined up with a 99 saleen and a 01 mustang, me and the saleen schooled the 01 mustang by um a bazillion and 5000000000 trillion car lengths , and i had the saleen it was neck and neck and i went to shift from 4th to 5th and pulling it out of gear i creeped had a nose on him, then i screwed up shifting to 5th ....so i got smoked but honestly i think i would have pulled on it in 5th ...



cars are cars it comes down to the drivers weather conditions road conditions , straight driving, lane selections and everything

you honestly need to take them to a track and race in controlled conditions otherwise dont post about it because its not worth talking about


cause if you want to see me school liek something with 500 hp off the line ....i know a red light i have timed to the nanosecond and i will school anything thats streetable off the line and through third gear because i know what lane is good and i have the timing down


ROAD RACING = FAKE CRAP and to many bs excuses and everything to go along with it ...unless your doing it in a closed off street race its not racing

as far as the si

most pro drivers have run 15.2 in the new si that meens alot of ppl will run faster stock and a ____ load will run slower lol


i can take one im sure and i hope to at the track this summer (just to bad it has to be stock for me to take it as soon as you mod the k20's a little they are monsters lol)

Well after much debate I'll be doing my P&P, valve train, Flyweel + clutch, and if it comes out in time the quaife LSD. I currently have the magnafow exhaust. Don't know what it will run but I think with the mods commin up I'll be able to run high 14s.

you should have no problem

with a lsd stock i think we could be close to a 14.9 its mainly the trouble of launching with all that tourq on one wheel (peg legged ___ car) but with the mods your talking about i would hope lower then a 14.9 posibly a 14.7 or lower if you can drive it right (witch im sure you can with your vast knowladge of race cars lol i love the sig)

I hope the guy above is boosted or raced one crap @$$ driver in that saleen.. either that or it was a mustang with saleen lookalike parts on it. A true saleen of that era will eat a stock tC's lunch any day, any how. By about 1.5 seconds actually. The newer ones by even more.

I hope the guy above is boosted or raced one crap @$$ driver in that saleen.. either that or it was a mustang with saleen lookalike parts on it. A true saleen of that era will eat a stock tC's lunch any day, any how. By about 1.5 seconds actually. The newer ones by even more.


you are talking about the boosted saleen though (not saying any stang cant beat a tc with equal drivers) becosue other then the boosted saleen the others are crap just like most mustangs - the svo and gt500/350 and some others i might have left out

anyway. Back to the topic. No way would an 06 civic EX beat a tC manual or auto w/o mods. And it would probably take more than I/H/E to do it. Civic EXs dyno around 120 ish WHP. Weigh about the same as the tC w/o the torque. If it is auto it would definitly need a lot more than I/H/E.

The guy is just askin for it.. I say you give it to em. RAW!

P.S. Please do it safely, preferably on a track, AND if you absolutly have to. Make sure you can get a section of the road blocked off somewhere in a non populated area.

anyway. Back to the topic. No way would an 06 civic EX beat a tC manual or auto w/o mods. And it would probably take more than I/H/E to do it. Civic EXs dyno around 120 ish WHP. Weigh about the same as the tC w/o the torque. If it is auto it would definitly need a lot more than I/H/E.

The guy is just askin for it.. I say you give it to em. RAW!

P.S. Please do it safely, preferably on a track, AND if you absolutly have to. Make sure you can get a section of the road blocked off somewhere in a non populated area.


i am 100% sure the civic has a chance just based off the crap i have seen others loose to becouse they cant launch the tc


granted the tc is a _____ to launch but still that would meen the civic has a chance

I hope the guy above is boosted or raced one crap @$$ driver in that saleen.. either that or it was a mustang with saleen lookalike parts on it. A true saleen of that era will eat a stock tC's lunch any day, any how. By about 1.5 seconds actually. The newer ones by even more.


you are talking about the boosted saleen though (not saying any stang cant beat a tc with equal drivers) becosue other then the boosted saleen the others are crap just like most mustangs - the svo and gt500/350 and some others i might have left out

if you read my other post about lane decisions and everything in street racing, makes the world of a difference

and no it was a true saleen i know the person who drives it they live about all of 30 seconds from my house lol

i do have am parts in my tc, im putting out about 200-210 hp right now ...working on more ____

but for the time being time to do my custom led underbody kit its going to consist of about 2000 leds :)

anyway. Back to the topic. No way would an 06 civic EX beat a tC manual or auto w/o mods. And it would probably take more than I/H/E to do it. Civic EXs dyno around 120 ish WHP. Weigh about the same as the tC w/o the torque. If it is auto it would definitly need a lot more than I/H/E.

The guy is just askin for it.. I say you give it to em. RAW!

P.S. Please do it safely, preferably on a track, AND if you absolutly have to. Make sure you can get a section of the road blocked off somewhere in a non populated area.

the auto tC dynos at 122 WHP and 135lbs of torque
If you're saying the civic dynos at around 120whp, its going to be a good race

However, the tC will beat the Civic, due to MUCH better gearing and gobs more of torque.

Gotta be careful if you are racing from a roll, those civics are light and have about the same amount of HP.

No offense bluenjsciontc but if you have intake, headers, and spipe theres no chance on earth you are putting out 200-210 horsepower. I had those before I got my s/c and there's no way you're even close to stock s/c numbers which is about 210 at the crank. And if you're claiming 200-210 at the wheels that's an even bigger joke. :rofl:

I didn't realize just how much bs you were putting out until I read that you are schooling the new si's with your n/a tc with intake, header, and exhaust. :silly: Go check out the thread the si owner put out about his races with a s/c'd tc.

IF auto tCs are putting 122 whp @ the dynos there is something wrong with your car or your dyno. Manual tCs are anywhere from 135 - 142 whp or so.

if youre gonna race him. i hope youre gonna do it on the track. but if not, just dont do it on Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Its burnt by the cops there....

I didn't realize just how much bs you were putting out until I read that you are schooling the new si's with your n/a tc with intake, header, and exhaust. :silly: Go check out the thread the si owner put out about his races with a s/c'd tc.


the si wont be to huge a challange im looking for a local with one to come to the track with me so i can see how well we can hang with it


i think alot of the issue is ppl dont know how to launch there cars so they get crapy times at the track or horrible launches on the street

Yeah but you know what you're doing. This guy has a JDM Oil Cap for his tc, lol

Yeah but you know what you're doing. This guy has a JDM Oil Cap for his tc, lol


hahaha didnt catch that man 200hp thing did make me laugh to ill be lucky if when i dyno this summer i hit 165whp

I don't think that si's are some monster car but they get much better launches than us with their lsd which we desperately need and they do have 40 hp on us in a car that weighs almost the same. Now you have enough upgrades that you should be able to hang with one. I hope you can find one that'll run you. I'm waiting for someone to get one here where I live so I can run one. I'm just going to hate upsetting them when they realize they can't run with anything they want.

I don't think that si's are some monster car but they get much better launches than us with their lsd which we desperately need and they do have 40 hp on us in a car that weighs almost the same. Now you have enough upgrades that you should be able to hang with one. I hope you can find one that'll run you. I'm waiting for someone to get one here where I live so I can run one. I'm just going to hate upsetting them when they realize they can't run with anything they want.



hahaha if you can launch your s/c tc (im sure its a huge pain to launch it right) then you should go all r kelly on his face lol

Racing is bad but when a lil kid tries to show off in his new car i have to do something.

some little high schooler with a brand new SI tried to take off on me but he couldn't even shift gears or something.

Racing is bad but when a lil kid tries to show off in his new car i have to do something.

some little high schooler with a brand new SI tried to take off on me but he couldn't even shift gears or something.


street racing :no:

but aggressive driving i can let that slide i do it alot :silly:

IF auto tCs are putting 122 whp @ the dynos there is something wrong with your car or your dyno. Manual tCs are anywhere from 135 - 142 whp or so.

right manual tCs are putting down 140whp, and the autos are putting down 122whp

this isnt a topic thats open for discussion, its the hard facts.

there are dynos all over the place in the natural aspiration and forced induction sections of the site. please read them before you try telling me that something is wrong with my car.

IF auto tCs are putting 122 whp @ the dynos there is something wrong with your car or your dyno. Manual tCs are anywhere from 135 - 142 whp or so.

right manual tCs are putting down 140whp, and the autos are putting down 122whp

this isnt a topic thats open for discussion, its the hard facts.

there are dynos all over the place in the natural aspiration and forced induction sections of the site. please read them before you try telling me that something is wrong with my car.

i have seen both thoughs numbers verry by 10 whp on diffrant dynos
so i can see where he might try and argue it but fact is the autos dyno less then the manuals

I hope the guy above is boosted or raced one crap @$$ driver in that saleen.. either that or it was a mustang with saleen lookalike parts on it. A true saleen of that era will eat a stock tC's lunch any day, any how. By about 1.5 seconds actually. The newer ones by even more.


you are talking about the boosted saleen though (not saying any stang cant beat a tc with equal drivers) becosue other then the boosted saleen the others are crap just like most mustangs - the svo and gt500/350 and some others i might have left out

if you read my other post about lane decisions and everything in street racing, makes the world of a difference

and no it was a true saleen i know the person who drives it they live about all of 30 seconds from my house lol

i do have am parts in my tc, im putting out about 200-210 hp right now ...working on more poop

but for the time being time to do my custom led underbody kit its going to consist of about 2000 leds :)

If you did have that amount of hp with those parts (which you dont) you would still lose to an si or the mustang if they knew how to drive. A 1999 v8 mustang runs 14 sec 1/4 mile times... unless you were racing a v6 with a saleen paint job or shaved 1.5 sec off the tC 1/4 mile time with minimum improvement bolt ons there is no way unless it was just horribel driving.

I agree, the new si is not the beast on the road, but still takes us stock (or with mild bolt ons)

^^^
Put it in the Holster Tex.

I said there could be 2 things wrong.
1. your car
2. your dyno

Auto transmissions do have more of a drive train loss. but usually are 2-5%. 5 being extreme. You are looking at 10 WHP. thats like 8%.

I am just sayin your car has to have more than 122 whp.

Just tell the kid with the EX that his car is ugly and he'll shut up. I'm sorry but I hate the front end on the new civics. It looks wierd to me. But, to each their own.

You're right aaron it's a pain to launch with the setup I've got on now, actually you can't even call it launching lol, you just have to feather it off the line which means whoever you're up against gains on you at the start but you will more than catch up. Oh and second gear is nothing but a burnout. Quaife needs to come out with that lsd BAD

The most recent issue of speed magazine had a feature of 2006 honda civic SI vs. 2006 TRD supercharged scion tc. 0-60 times: 6.8 for civic 6.9 for tc, but 1/4 time was the same (15.1 for both cars. They still rated teh civic over the tc for other reasons, mainly price.

This is about a civic ex, and that article in speed magazine was the biggest load of BS.

no acutall it was about a si man, I have the magazine in front of me. I'm in no way trying to take either sides, I'm just stating what I saw.

no acutall it was about a si man, I have the magazine in front of me. I'm in no way trying to take either sides, I'm just stating what I saw.

i think what he was trying to say, was that this debate, here in ScionLife, was about a Civic EX and a stock Scion tC

ahh I see mah bad then

i beat a BMW X3 with my auto tc. I/E