maybe some of you guys who are familiar with Scion and the TRD stuff can answer this... what does the dealership charge to install the lowering springs??

to maintain warrantee, do you have to get the TRD mods installed by the dealership??

Judging by the fact alone that the TRD springs MSRP is $350 not including install, I would say that i is going to be expensive. You are better off buying a set of aftermarket springs, and no they do not void your warranty. For $200 I got my Goldline springs, and had them installed (I love them, and so does everyone else that has them). They give a nice 2" drop all around instead of a 1" as you would get with the TRD's. Depending on where you are located, there is a shop in Southern California thats sells the Springs for $200 installed called DB Motorsports. If you are not local, talk to Bill (scionspecialist) and he can ship you the springs for $189 to your door, then you have to find somewhere to install them. Although Bill might know some other places that install for $200 as well...

I don't know what the dealership is going to charge you, but it won't be cheap. Just buy what you want then insstall them yourself (really easy). And keep your stock parts, and if something happeneds where you need your warranty, just put the stock stuff back on!

why buy TRD parts? they're overpriced.. and mediocre..

because warrantee is imortant, you are already paying for it... by going aftermarket, you stand the risk to lose big time...

so if springs are $100 more and installation is $100 more... and ANYTHING goes wrong... the first few hours of repair will be directly out of pocket and total more than $200... not to mention that I just saw on partznet.com that springs for the xA are $162... how much cheaper are you willing to go, you think Redneck Engineering and Racing is gonna have a better design for $42??

like the TRD supercharger, prime example... yeah you might can save $500 or 1000 by going to another brand... but you'll spend many more hours fabricating specialty part, thinking up solutions to new problems, etc... Toyota already did the engineering and saving the $500 wont' save you in the long run... chop around a bolt on supercharger for $2500 is CHEAP... the kits for my car are like $6k...

if we maintain the cheaper is better attitude, then we should all be shopping for an Aveo... $9999 MSRP... or maybe we don't need the Kraft Mac & Cheese... the Walmart brand is just fine??

first of all.. warranty....

if i install Tein S-techs on my corolla (which i did) and something were to happen, say, my computer went bad.. and i take it to the dealer....

they WILL FIX MY CAR. you know why? because the computer has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what springs are on my car.

this is not about cost..

if TRD sold springs that were as nice as Tein's S-techs, i'd buy them.. but they don't..
they buy Eibachs, jack up the price, and re-sell as TRD.

TRD DOES NOT BUILD THE PARTS THEY SELL.. TRD IS A BRAND NAME.

Nope, mgithens. You're missing the point. See, we like to save money where we can. We are cheap, but only when we can afford to be. :wink:

I don't know whether the springs void warranty or not, but if they don't, then it's just stupid to buy them from Scion and have them install them for you. That's like saying we should buy bazooka tubes from Scion just because they know what they're doing there and they can't mess up our systems up... You find someone in a competent shop who installs this stuff for a living, buy a cheaper set, and you've just saved yourself a shafting, courtesy of TRD. :D

(and the reason we don't buy an aveo is because it's the stupidest looking car ever. and how does walmart brand taste? its possible a generic brand could taste better :lol: )

There is no reason to be stuck using TRD springs when you want to have a lower ride height and also you'll save money too. There are companies out there that have been making springs longer than TRD has even been around so there isn't any risk of running redneck racing ( Eibach, Tanabe, Tein, ect.) springs on your vehicle if that is what you were saying. Dealerships charge WAY too much money to do anything end everything and there is no way I'd pay them to install springs on a Scion if it was more than $150 and that is really pushing it. I charge $75 to install them.

You could always go to the dealership and tell them how much you will pay to have the springs installed if you are worried about your warranty,,,, BUT you will have to run TRD springs and ino that small of a drop isn't enough.

TRD quality is excellent and I would never say that cheaper is better but in some cases things of the same quality can be had for different prices. You usually get what you pay for but in the case of going through a dealer for anything you get to pay almost twice as much for it. :lol:

WILL SPRINGS VOID WARRANTY?

well, the warranty isn't a package deal..

get your head around that. changing one thing does not void your entire warranty. it may void that particular portion of your warranty. for instance, a huge sound system in your car, and your alternator fries, that shouldn't be covered under warranty, simply because your modification was the reason it failed.

if you put huge 19's on your AUTO scion, and the transmission goes.. that is your fault, not teh fault of the transmission. it wasn't meant to be put under such strain. also, with those 19's in place, if your brakes were to fail, again, it would be your fault because you've also just increased the braking load.

but, if you put on 19's and your radiator cracks and drains all the fluid out of your car, your warranty will cover it. or should cover it.

putting "genuine" parts on your car to save your warranty is basically a really expensive way of admitting that you have no mechanical ability, and rely heavily on the dealer to fix whatever problems you develop, no matter how small or easy to fix.

okay, so according to you guys... does installing 19" rims void the suspension warranty??

because it does... you might be able to keep a set of stock rims handy so that you can take your 25,000 mile car in for bad bearings, but that sounds like a lot of trouble...

I am not going to get into a logistics debate, the warranty is not one rule or one coverage, it is coverage on each component and you can void a part of it... for instance, aftermarket stereo and then reinstall the factory... void... I am not saying that installing a stereo voids your engine coverage, but I promise that any aftermarket suspension mods are gonna automatically put the bill in your pocket.

I am not willing to save $50 today so that I can spend $500 in 6 months or two years...

and of course, someone is gonna pipe up with "just swap back to the right parts when you need service"... huh?? so let's say your life is only worth minimum wage to you... just pay yourself $5 / hr for each hour you spend hiding the facts... swapping springs is gonna take a 1/2 day for you... so every time you need work done your gonna do that??

you really couldn't ask for an easier car to install springs on .. the scion is by far the quickest, easiest install i've ever done, on ANY car.

You asked for our opinions and we are giving them to you...you don't have to be a punk about it, we were just trying to help you out...I wish you the best of luck with whatever decision that you make, but don't hate on those people who are just trying to help you out and save you a couple bucks and from buying overpriced springs with TRD written on them, almost every aftermarket spring comapny comes with a Warranty so you aren't going to have any problems there...

alter ego...

I get where you are coming from, but $162 for springs and $100 for labor... is that really that far off the mark??

so if I show up with an Integra... what would it cost to lower that with only aftermarket parts?? (range $$ ??)

I don't know about the Integra, my shop has a special going on with the Scion's because they are so easy to do. But typically, they chrage $100 to install springs on nearly anything. Plus you can get Goldines installed for $200 (including the springs).

bluescion, reread my post...

I asked two question, factual questions...
#1 price??
#2 necessity for dealer install??

I get attacked and everyone starts a shouting match about how to do what I am wanting to do... my point is clear, I already paid for my warranty, I'll keep it... I believe that Eibach and others make a good product, but they aren't gonna fix my brakes when something goes south...

I believe in doing things right the first time... and my right and your right don't have to be the same... I just don't think a sacrifice of warranty is what I want to do... all because - you never know what can happen...

Hey, sorry about the confusion...I will call my Scion Tech later today and will give you the installed price for the TRDs...

I am 90% positive that the springs do not have to be intalled by the dealer, but I will ask him that as well...Here is what my Dealer is quoting them at:

Lowering Springs xB 00602-48130-150 $369.00 (Not Installed)

For an integra it's $100 to $150 for the installation. Hondas and Acuras have a tendency to have the lower rear strut bolts break off in the bushings because they get seized in there and then there is more involved to get things fixed. Basically it's $100-150 for most anything.

FYI- I just added a spring install tech writeup on our website. www.aeiperformance.com and click on the install tech on the bottom of the page. I haven't had time to go over it yet to make sure everything is perfect but I think it turned out pretty well.

even if you use trd springs and have them installed by a toyota dealer, and you move to another area, and go a different dealer they could not honor the warranty at thier disgression, because they did not install them at thier dealership. I believe the magnusson act cover what can be considered warranty voiding and springs don't cover it. I have mine lowered, but I also kept my stocks, so if somethings happens I will just replace the lowered one, it only takes forty minutes. Since your mine is made up, go to the dealer and pay the higher price. We all offered you alternitives, but your mind is made up. Bill

When's the last time anyone's had Spring Failure?

maybe some of you guys who are familiar with Scion and the TRD stuff can answer this... what does the dealership charge to install the lowering springs??

to maintain warrantee, do you have to get the TRD mods installed by the dealership??

go here:

www.newscionparts.com and get a price on the TRD springs....

i just checked and they sell for $159 for the TRD's....

they also do installs at a reasonable price at that dealership.....

ask for Steve Ganz if you call.....

Bruce, those aren't bad prices, the dealers here want $564.00 for spring and install. It a vegas thing I guess. Bill

scionicman...

not saying you'll have spring failure, but if your wheel bearings go out... or unexplained brake problems... they might even throw in the power steering... alignment issues... shocks/struts...

I'd bet some if not all of those things wouldn't be covered...

scionicman...

not saying you'll have spring failure, but if your wheel bearings go out... or unexplained brake problems... they might even throw in the power steering... alignment issues... shocks/struts...

I'd bet some if not all of those things wouldn't be covered...

1. wheelbearings are not related to ride height. they are related to wheel width/offset
2. brake problems are also, NOT RELATED to ride height..
3. power steering would only be affected by wheel width/offset. ride height has nothing to do with it.
4. of course your alignment will be off. it'd be off no matter what spring you install.
5. shocks and struts. now we're talking. you will destroy your stock struts/shocks on lowering springs. thus they won't be warrantied. that's why you should purchase high-performance struts (KYB GR2's for example) that carry a lifetime warranty, and put your old stock springs/struts/shocks in storage.

so basically, all your fears of voiding warranty, are unneeded (minus shocks/struts).

hey, go ahead and buy TRD.. enjoy the lack of drop.. and mediocre handling..

1. wheelbearings are not related to ride height. they are related to wheel width/offset
2. brake problems are also, NOT RELATED to ride height..
3. power steering would only be affected by wheel width/offset. ride height has nothing to do with it.
4. of course your alignment will be off. it'd be off no matter what spring you install.
5. shocks and struts. now we're talking. you will destroy your stock struts/shocks on lowering springs. thus they won't be warrantied. that's why you should purchase high-performance struts (KYB GR2's for example) that carry a lifetime warranty, and put your old stock springs/struts/shocks in storage.

so basically, all your fears of voiding warranty, are unneeded (minus shocks/struts).

hey, go ahead and buy TRD.. enjoy the lack of drop.. and mediocre handling..

okay, this entire thread has really gotten out of hand... this quoted message here is entirely FLAMING... there was not value added to the board by this post...

I asked for the pricing and installation costs...

but to counter your points...
1) bearings are related to spring stiffness, tire sidewall heigth
2) brakes are affected by spring stiffness through something called NVH, which is too much for me to go into here
3) & 5) were added to exemplify that one system affects another
4) I said alignment issues, not alignment being off - suspension geometry is handled by a staff of engineers and they are taking more into account than you can imagine

I am not hear to propogate a debate, but I am here to say that I can have an opinion about where I'd like to spend my dollars - I don't need your flames.

We can debate this all day, but I will stand by my experiences and education. I hold a BS in Mechanical Engineering, I have built offroad racers, restored a handful of vehicles, the list goes on... these are my qualifications, but most importantly they are my dollars.

I am looking for a lower CG, not a gokart ride. So I am not looking for a higher spring rate, I am looking for a lower stance. Not the lowerst possible stance, but a mild drop would make me happy. I do not want a wing or diffusers - because my mind goes for effectiveness not flashiness.

well you sure as hell won't get the spring rates you want out of TRD lol...

well you sure as hell won't get the spring rates you want out of TRD lol...

This just proves that you're not even reading his post. He just said the following:

I am looking for a lower CG...So I am not looking for a higher spring rate, I am looking for a lower stance.

So you're obviously just trolling your ideas onto the board here in an attempt to do nothing but argue.

I'd like to see some facts other than you saying "hahaha TRD is teh sux"


Can you please supply some numbers? I'd like to see them.

I'd be very curious to know what the stock and TRD spring rates are. If I see too high a number I won't be willing to swap them out. My old Porsche had 120#/in springs on the back and they killed me, my friends were stock (80#/in) and the smoothness was obvious... I don't plan to track the tC, I plan to drive it every day... I want my fillings to stay where they are...

If you buy a new set of springs to lower the tC will you need to replace the front struts as well? :?:

I'm 3rd on the list for a new tC when they come out in June. Woo Hoo!!

well, the reason that struts would need to be replaced is because they were out of range, essentially they weren't designed to operate at that heigth...

could it be possible that Scion / Toyota parts are designed originally with the TRD parts in mind... for instance with the supercharger, to make more horsepower you need more fuel, that means larger injectors and the computer needs to be able to handle it - so possibly the struts can work fine 1 to 1-1/2 inch lower??

could it be possible that Scion / Toyota parts are designed originally with the TRD parts in mind... for instance with the supercharger, to make more horsepower you need more fuel, that means larger injectors and the computer needs to be able to handle it - so possibly the struts can work fine 1 to 1-1/2 inch lower??

It could be possible, but that's quite an assumption that if something in the engine works for both setups that everything else is going to be designed in the same fashion. (And you know what happens when you make an assumption, you look like an ___ and the ump will shun you...:lol: )

I get the feeling they did leave the Scions at a jumping off point to mod. The difference in the handling and cornering of my Box just by replacing the springs was incredible. It seems like they could've done it from the factory. I get the feeling they left them stiff to keep the old fogey's from liking it too much. :lol:

paid 155 from robearracing for tein s-tech. buddy of mine with a shop and spring compressor said 100 ought to do it for install.

bluescion, reread my post...

I asked two question, factual questions...
#1 price??
#2 necessity for dealer install??

I get attacked and everyone starts a shouting match about how to do what I am wanting to do... my point is clear, I already paid for my warranty, I'll keep it... I believe that Eibach and others make a good product, but they aren't gonna fix my brakes when something goes south...

I believe in doing things right the first time... and my right and your right don't have to be the same... I just don't think a sacrifice of warranty is what I want to do... all because - you never know what can happen...

Be assured that it is illegal to void a warranty unless the dealership can prove that your modification caused the failure of system X or part Y.

I cannot seem to remember the particular clause that covers this.



Adrian