hey all, im only getting close to 25 mpg on our auto box,,,im actually VERY disappointed... ...do these seem like accurate numbers?

8.8 gallons...220 miles on the odometer...that equals 25 mpg..

now , i also owned a1991 Acura Integra, and at 140,000 miles , it got 27 mpg..my 92 civic, 225 thou miles, gets 29 mpg solid...What gives?...should i take our box in and have it looked at?..i was expecting a lower mpg than sticker, but this is not good at all...we have put 1100 miles on it so far, the first tank, we let it go almost to "E" and the od read almost 310 miles , ad i filled up just over 11 gallons....we drove it granny style for the first 900 to 1000 miles, and we will be getting an oil change really soon...any suggestions all?

I suggest tracking it over the course of at least several weeks and finding an average. Tank to tank calculations are going to vary.

Wait until you pass 3K miles or so. It's been noted that MPG's go up. Change the oil before the 7K mile interval.

I had the same issue too. Highway miles is right up there in the Echo MPG range. I drive highway and drive under 70MPH= RPM below 3K. Last calculation: 303 miles/8.116 gal= ~37MPGs :shock: Weird, very scary :lol: I dont expect to get that all the time. That was on a mostly highway trip. Typically I get about 34MPG.

Hello,

The first weekend my wife and I had ours we drove to Orlando and Back! When I filled it up we had gotten 48 miles to the gallon at about 70 miles per hour. Around town we have been averaging 36-38 miles per gallon. Awesome! I just added a injen air intake so I'm hopeing it stays the same if not a little better? Anyway we just turned 1000 miles on it! :D

I have an Xb auto and am getting about 26 hwy, 25 city with about 1700 miles on it.

I feel your pain. Hopefully it goes up.

If not????

For those out there who are getting low mileage, just keep in mind that as the engine breaks in and gets some where, your mileage will go up. I noticed when i first bought my RS1 and after installing the intake @ 8 miles that i was getting poor mileage. Now that im pushing the 3K mark, i noticed im getting just over 300 miles on a tank. This is with a lot of stop and go local traffic, and some high way use too. Just keep a level head, better mileage is coming.

i got my xb 5spd on tues with a full tank of gas and 1 mile on the odo. i ran it until the gas light turned on plus and extra 30 minutes. i checked my odo before i refueled at the gas station and it read 271. i filled up my tank, about 50 cents after the gas clicker (full tank indicator) and the gas meter said i filled up withe 10.5 gallons. comes out to about 25-26 mpg. not even close to the 31-35mpg the book and tag said it would get. kinda disappointed..... but kinda not.... my other car gets about 17mpg.... so it seemed like my gas lasted forever in my xb.

all in all.... im ok with it..... but not completely satisfied....

Im getting about 28 mpg in my XB but I drive like a bat out of hell :lol: :lol:

I am not sure if anyone still has their window sticker, but underneigth the MPG for City and Highway, in small print, it show a range of MPG for City and Highway. So you are not always going to get the same MPG.

I don't have my xB yet other wise I woudl have posted a picture of the window sticker. Maybe someone else can do this!

I used to have a lead foot, but with gas price going out of control in LA I've learned to to easy on the gas now. This past week, I made sure that I didn't go over 3K rpm and I ended up with 35 mpg. I used to average about 28-30 mpg.

yeah as previously stated im definately disappointed in the gas milage...i mean u would thinkl a car on the top ten most fuel efficient cars would get closer to 30 mpg...if my 12 yo civic can do it why not this car?...i truly hope the MPG goes up, i will however , bring 0the MPG issue up when i go to get my oil changed next week.. :x

Few get the EPA numbers. Generally, the real world mileage is 10-15% less than the EPA estimates. The auto is advertised at 30MPG city, so the real-world numbers should be more like 25.5-27MPG.

The people who bought a Prius are really unhappy. Due to a fluke in the testing procedure, the Prius was rated at 60MPG in the city, but is actually giving around 45MPG in the real world, a drop of 25%! Toyota really figured out how to game the EPA system on that one!

George

thats pretty misleading then...never had this prob w hondas..always got the sticker mpg..or within 1-2 mpg :(

I noticed that I am getting 21 MPG! I just filled up 10.334 gallons and had 222 miles on the speedo. I currently have 3,200 miles on the clock... when is it suppose to get better???? BTW, I have a manual tranny.

I have typically been getting 25-28mpg on my release 1.0. I, too, am waiting for the mileage to increase.
Does anyone have any idea as to why there is such a difference in the mileage. I mean, driving habits will affect mileage somewhat but not swing the difference 25-38mpg.

thebiggun

i was imagining getting like at least 330~340 miles to the tank.....around 28-29 mpg..this really stinks! if i had known about the gas milage, i would have kept my paid off integra :(...

any one else? :?:

I found an article in the print edition of the May 2004 Motor Trend entitled; About Those Lofty EPA Numbers.

It covers the outdated testing methods to compute gas milage of cars and what type of adjustments need to be made. They even created their own test circuits here in southern California. The article was written with respect to their recently tested hybrids, but it also covered window sticker EPA's of standard cars.
Motor Trend test milage was much lower than EPA window sticker on hybrids.

An informative article, writen by a reputable source. It made me feel not so bad about getting lower than window sticker milage. ~30 mpg averaging 75-80 mph to Vegas.

i agree, the mileage is not that great. ive gotten as low as like 24 or so and as high as 28, ive never gotten 30, but i do blame a lot of it on my wheels. i get an average of 26 when i run my 19's and i get the 28 when i have my 15's w/50 series tires on. my friend who runs rotas gets over 35 with mostly freeway and the wheels are like 2lbs lighter before tires. im guessin the crappy mileage is due to the heavy weight of the wheels and the greater force required to get the car moving

Im not a mechanic, but if you think about it logically, once the engine has a chance to break in ( usually about 2 - 3K miles ) everything seems to work better and together inside the engine itself. I would think that once everything starts to mesh, that this is why you start getting better fuel mileage.

I have noticed from the guys at Car and Driver, when they test a car new, they keep track of fuel mileage. Then if they do a long term test, the mileage gets better, sometimes considerably better then when they first took delivery of the vehicle.

Im not a mechanic, but if you think about it logically, once the engine has a chance to break in ( usually about 2 - 3K miles ) everything seems to work better and together inside the engine itself. I would think that once everything starts to mesh, that this is why you start getting better fuel mileage.

I have noticed from the guys at Car and Driver, when they test a car new, they keep track of fuel mileage. Then if they do a long term test, the mileage gets better, sometimes considerably better then when they first took delivery of the vehicle.

I hope so, is almost like toyota LIED to us.... :roll: :(

Hello,

The first weekend my wife and I had ours we drove to Orlando and Back! When I filled it up we had gotten 48 miles to the gallon at about 70 miles per hour. Around town we have been averaging 36-38 miles per gallon. Awesome! I just added a injen air intake so I'm hopeing it stays the same if not a little better? Anyway we just turned 1000 miles on it! :D

I'd say this rates VERY high on the BS scale..........

Few get the EPA numbers. Generally, the real world mileage is 10-15% less than the EPA estimates. The auto is advertised at 30MPG city, so the real-world numbers should be more like 25.5-27MPG.

The people who bought a Prius are really unhappy. Due to a fluke in the testing procedure, the Prius was rated at 60MPG in the city, but is actually giving around 45MPG in the real world, a drop of 25%! Toyota really figured out how to game the EPA system on that one!

George

They didn't figure anything out, the EPA tests in a closed environment with no wind resistance, which Hybrids are particularly susceptible too when it comes to effecting gas mileage. Don't blame Toyota, they're required by law to post the EPA numbers, blame the EPA for running unrealistic tests.

I didn't see it mentioned here yet, but IIRC the EPA highway mileage is calculated at 45mph. With the xB's profile causing a bit of wind resistence at "normal" highway speed, that's where the discrepency is likely caused. Obviously the faster you go the more wind resistence is going to lower mpg.

i'm getting 32 mpg here (about 40% city, 60% highway)... i used motoman's break-in method (drove around town in high rpm's for 30 miles then changed the oil and filter) and my box is stock.

Lets not forget that when you change your stock wheel and tire size,the results will reflect accordingly.
Im sure this doesnt fix everyone.I have 18's on my B.
I have gotten as well as just over 300 out of a tank.My average is around 240-260.
I usually fill up when my light comes on.
It can only improve the more miles you rack up!
Less friction internally.Which means less work for the little engine that might!

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Not exactly real world, eh? Toyota did not lie to anyone... the EPA numbers are what they are. If you drive up a hill, with a lead foot, and use the air conditioner with 3 other passengers and their stuff crammed in the back of your car, your EPA "estimates" will get hosed every time.

BTW, my Prius customers are averaging 53 mpg combined on cars that have over 3k miles. I did have one Prius customer average 54 mpgs on a 1200 mile trip the first weekend he had the car. It is what it is, and it depends on the driver and habits.

Peace...

Sorry, double post. :oops:

yeah i'm getting about 25-29 mpg on my auto box. i wasn't really expecting to get into the 30 mile range because of the lack of aerodynamics on the box. it's still much better than my 4-runner was doing so i'm happy.

A few here have already replied in a similar manner, thought I may add some to it.

The EPA runs all the cars on a test course that is designed to "simulate" real world driving heh, maybe in their world they are the only car on the road but not mine. It measures emissions during the test, rather than the actual fuel consumed, calculating consumption from that. The vehicle is on a dyno more or less for the trip, it does include idling, etc. in an attempt to simulate rush hour traffic

What it does NOT include, is the poor-quality air that is taken in during the rush hour, hills, curves, etc. That are present in every day life. It doesn't take into account that the consumer just filled his car with 10% ethanol gasoline, while reducing emissions, has the side effect of producing less power per gallon, so more is consumed per mile. It also doesn't take into account the driver. Everyone driving the same course would most likely get a different number, simply due to the differences in human nature.

The real strength of their testing however, is the ability to put all cars on a level playing field so to speak. All the cars go through the same exact irrelevant run, so comparing cars becomes really quite easy.

Is it accurate? Well no, reasons given above. In addition they deduct a percentage from the calculated MPG. As the MPG increases, the deduction will be greater (because 10% of 50 is greater than 10% of 30), so cars that test well are punished so to speak. It also doesn't adjust for manufacturers that do a better job of supressing emissions than others. I do not know how well Toyota plays that game, nor any manufacturer for that matter. I do know that emissions output varies from company to company with similar engines, so there are variables there too.

Someone posted above that they have an intake and that they hoped that it would improve mileage. It really should. The smaller the engine, the more effect intake and exhaust changes have on the vehicle. This is largely due to smaller engines not having the mass that larger engines do to do the breathing for them. Less flywheel/recriprocating mass, less air momentum, and so on, make smaller engines work to breathe. Not saying to run out to your dealer and get a filter but it really will pay for itself in the long run. Tradeoffs in manufacture try to offend the least amount of people. So intakes supress noise (and thus airflow) in order to please the crowd that hates intake woosh. Exhausts are excessively quiet (in my opinion) for the same reason. But the freedom to change your ride to make it unique is well within your power so long as its legal in your area.

So if you read this far on yet another of my encyclopedic posts, thanks. Comments are welcome. If you read only the last line then take away that the EPA measurements are only useful to compare vehicles you purchase, and not reflective of what you actually get driving.

Mike

ps oh the epa link-- http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/gasmel.pdf

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Ummm, EPA tests are done on a roller dyno, not on the road. Check out:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

for the procedure.

George

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Ummm, EPA tests are done on a roller dyno, not on the road. Check out:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

for the procedure.

George

He stated that.

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Ummm, EPA tests are done on a roller dyno, not on the road. Check out:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

for the procedure.

George

He stated that.

Where? I read "on an absolutely flat stretch of highway", not "on a dyno".

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Ummm, EPA tests are done on a roller dyno, not on the road. Check out:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

for the procedure.

George

He stated that.

Where? I read "on an absolutely flat stretch of highway", not "on a dyno".

"The vehicle is on a dyno more or less for the trip, it does include idling, etc. in an attempt to simulate rush hour traffic...."

Time to go back to reading comprehension :twisted:

He was referring to the dealer that posted before me, not to my post. :D

Mike

Don't forget that the EPA tests are also done with one person in the vehicle and zero cargo weight... on an absolutely flat stretch of highway... windows UP with NO AIR. This testing procedure is done on every single make and model.

Ummm, EPA tests are done on a roller dyno, not on the road. Check out:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

for the procedure.

George

He stated that.

Where? I read "on an absolutely flat stretch of highway", not "on a dyno".

"The vehicle is on a dyno more or less for the trip, it does include idling, etc. in an attempt to simulate rush hour traffic...."

Time to go back to reading comprehension :twisted:

As has been pointed out, that wasn't the post I was referring to. In any case, the run is done completely on a dyno, not "more or less", not "a flat stretch of road", etc.

George just has to get in the last jab :roll:

"More or less" in my statement as the epa's own lit states that its a dyno, similar to a treadmill. What is it? Well, its a dyno more or less. Not the kind of dyno you use to measure horsepower, their kind of dyno.

Mike

George just has to get in the last jab :roll:

"More or less" in my statement as the epa's own lit states that its a dyno, similar to a treadmill. What is it? Well, its a dyno more or less. Not the kind of dyno you use to measure horsepower, their kind of dyno.

Mike

Not jabbing, just setting the facts straight.

There is a considerable difference between this document:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/gasmel.pdf

which was written by PR people to be understood by the general public, and the document that actually defines the testing procedure:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/40p0600.pdf

which requires a bit more work to understand.

Sorry that I got some little titties in a wringer.

Okay, so it is done on a dyno... which simulates a flat stretch of road.

Semantics, semantics, semantics. Get over it.

Sorry that I got some little titties in a wringer.

Okay, so it is done on a dyno... which simulates a flat stretch of road.

Semantics, semantics, semantics. Get over it.

the dyno can simulate going up and down hills, a flat stretch of road can not.

.02

Sorry that I got some little titties in a wringer.

Just be thankful that it wasn't a little lower on your anatomy! :shock:

From what I gather from this thread and from the EPA links provided, the testing for MPG is done on a dynamometer (treadmill) and not on an actual road. So, the wind resistance would not be a factor in the estimates posted on the sticker.

I always assumed that the reason the xB mpg estimates were less than the xA was due to the shape of the vehicle. Now it seems that this isn't a factor (for the epa estimates).

Just curious - does anyone have an opinion on why the estimated mpg for the xB (30/34 for automatic trans.) is quite a bit less than the estimated mpg for the xA (32/38 for automatic trans.) ?

The xB isn't that much heavier (about 85 pounds ?) than the xA, so you wouldn't think that would be the reason.

Eric

The Xa is more aerodynamic

Ok, so all this time I've been dissapointed with my gas milage on my Xb, thinking the sticker was way off, cursing Toyota for lying to me. The other day I actually did an accurate check (did the math all by myself) and it turns out that my box is getting 33 mpg! Much better than I thought and that was all highway, all with the AC blasting. I think the fuel gauge is kinda misleading because the reserve tank (whats left after the needle hits E and the light comes on) is actually pretty big. Its at least 2 gallons, maybe closer to 3. Considering we have 12 gallon tanks, thats substantial, and can be kinda misleading. :roll:

Right, I know the xA is more aerodynamic. But for the EPA test, aerodynamics wouldn't have an effect on a car driven on a treadmill would it ? I mean, it's not a wind tunnel. It's a car on a treadmill in a room basically. So the car is basically sitting still (relative to the room) with the wheels turning the treadmill.

So, with that in mind why are the EPA mpg ratings for the xB lower then the xA ?

>> The Xa is more aerodynamic

u guys can sit here and go bla bla bla epa this bla bla bla toyota that...when it comes down to it....my 2k civic si got the gas mileage stated on the sticker sometimes better.....my 03 accord v6 gets dead on what the sticker said....02 vw jetta gets better then the sticker rated.....my scion gets worse then the sticker rated....nuff said

From what I gather from this thread and from the EPA links provided, the testing for MPG is done on a dynamometer (treadmill) and not on an actual road. So, the wind resistance would not be a factor in the estimates posted on the sticker.

Not true. The coefficient of drag is a factor in how the dynamometer is programmed. The xB has a higher Cd, so it has to work harder on the dyno at a given speed.

Dynamometers can simulate all aspects of road conditions, including hills, wind, aerodynamics, etc. The beauty of using the dynamometer is that it is completely controllable, whereas mother nature isn't.

George

Just in, some highway mileage data:

5-speed xB. Air conditioning on for nearly entire trip, 198.9 highway miles, (measured by GPS), 5.174 gallons, filled to brim at both ends of trip.

198.9/5.174=38.44MPG. (wow!)

This trip was purely highway, from Atascadero to Paso Robles on the US101, to Blackwell's Corner on CA46, to Maricopa on CA33, via CA166 to I-5, then south over the Grapevine to Santa Clarita. Speeds ranged from 55 to 75MPH, climbing the grapevine at 65 in 4th. Car was loaded with two adults and two children, as well as 60 pounds of luggage.

This mileage figure seems rather high to me, but the driving was probably close to optimum for mileage.

For the entire round trip, we went 458 miles and used 12.98 gallons of gas. This gives a mileage of 458/12.98=35.28MPG Still not too shabby!

This mileage , while mostly highway driving, includes about 40 miles of city/suburban driving.

The odometer is a bit off as well. On stock tires, 198.9miles measured by the GPS is equal to 190.3miles measured by the trip odometer, so the trip odometer seems to read about 4.3% low. This would affect mileage calculations if you use the trip odometer for this purpose. For example, if you got a true mileage of 30MPG the number would be 28.7 if you use your odometer to measure the miles driven.

George

George,

Thank you very much for this info. So, I guess the drag coefficients are something probably determined in a wind tunnel (by Toyota or by the EPA) and as you say they can simply program the drag coefficient into the dynamometer to account for wind resistance. Cool.

Just for the record, I have an xA (not an xB) but have been getting acceptable gas mileage results as well. Averaging about 35 mpg driving to work (about 40/60 city/ highway). Haven't had a chance to test the mileage on a long - all highway trip though.

Eric

The other thing to note on the epa mileage for highway is the average operating speed, below 50mph. The faster you go, the more resistence as everyone knows, and I doubt many people drive 60 even on roads with a 65 limit to save on gas. I'd bet the average person goes 70-75 at least, so you're losing a good 15-20%mpg according to the epa datasheet posted above.

I bet if if your grandma drove the xB, she'd average 35-40mpg. :D

The other thing to note on the epa mileage for highway is the average operating speed, below 50mph. The faster you go, the more resistence as everyone knows, and I doubt many people drive 60 even on roads with a 65 limit to save on gas. I'd bet the average person goes 70-75 at least, so you're losing a good 15-20%mpg according to the epa datasheet posted above.

I bet if if your grandma drove the xB, she'd average 35-40mpg. :D

If my grandma drove the xB, I'd get her on the talk show circuit ASAP! Resurrection hits the ratings big!

One revelation of driving with a GPS is that your average speed is a lot less than you think that it is. For the trip I mentioned, my average speed is 51MPH despite my feeling that I maintained a speed between 55 and 75 all the time. It only takes a short time at a slow pace to _really_ lower the average!

George

I am waiting for the verdict on my little Xb as well. I just got it last weekend and it is down to half a tank already and I have only gone about 100 miles. I am hoping that either the dealer didn't fill it up all the way or that the fuel guage is off a tad and that there is a lot more gas still left in her...

SHU

I've filled up twice now, and each time, the gas pump stops at 9.4 gallons. I top it off, and squeezed out a total of 10.5 gallons of gas. I think the neck inside the fuel door is too long, and it backs up quickly. This kinda sucks, because topping the fuel off every time is bound to lead to some spillage.


BTW, after the second tank ran out, the car had gone 320 miles, and I was kinda dissapointed....guess it's still better than some of you are getting. :x




Skylab™

i have heard from scion coorp that we should wait till 2000 miles to _____, and that the epa test area done no ac windows up...i dunno ALL my other cars have always gotten REALLY close to the rated mpg..even WITH the a/c blasting....the dealer actually told me that if i dont get better mpg on this trip i am taking then i need to bring it back in , cause its not right ...just my .02 8)

Mileage on the xB. . . .

First tank - 27.94 mpg. Mostly hwy. To/from dealer, then on trip to Eastern Shore of MD.
Not bad considering my Dodge truck got 10-13 in town - 15-17 hwy. (And that was babying it.) NOW you know why I bought the xB. (Plus its stylish good looks.) :lol:
Doubled mpg by trading. Worth it. :D
(I think the dealer stopped the pump when it cut off automatically & didn't top off. Too bad. I fill it to the cap.) 12 gals isn't a lot.

Second tank - 29.34 mpg. Hwy driving.

Third tank - 34.4 mpg. combined city / hwy. This tank calculated by driving back and forth to work from So. MD to Wash., DC for a week. Speeds from 5 mph - 65 mph.
A/C not used. Unusually cool week. Rainy.

Fourth tank - 30.40 mpg. Same traffic conditions as third tank, only used A/C a LOT.
Back to HOT & Humid weather. Welcome to DC!!!

All in all, considering what I WAS getting outta my truck, I am NOT complaining.
My wife has a G. Caravan and she spent $42.00 this week on 1 tank of gas. $2.04 9/10 per gallon. (She wants MY box now!!!) Ha! :lol:

29 - 34 mpg beats the hell out of 10-13!!!

For me, pretty darn close to the stated mileage of 30 - 34.

I just bought a TCM Scion Xb last week. We are relatively happy with it however........... we only got 203 miles to the first tank and I am halfway through my second and it only has 105 miles more. For a total of 309 miles to a tank and a half. That is less than 17 MPG. Is this normal???????

Also....I have been reading the posts regarding buying new cars off the lot. Ours had 12 miles on the odometer and was suppossedly brand new. Is this too high or am I being paranoid?

Thanks for the help. I am a naive young female who just bought my first car and want to maintain it as well as possible....... :oops:

I just bought a TCM Scion Xb last week. We are relatively happy with it however........... we only got 203 miles to the first tank and I am halfway through my second and it only has 105 miles more. For a total of 309 miles to a tank and a half. That is less than 17 MPG. Is this normal???????

No it isn't, unless you're a wild driver! If it continues, see the dealer for a diagnosis. Keep careful written records of fuel usage.

Also....I have been reading the posts regarding buying new cars off the lot. Ours had 12 miles on the odometer and was suppossedly brand new. Is this too high or am I being paranoid?

12 is quite reasonable. That amounts to one or two test drives. If you expect to test drive a car, you should expect to buy a car that someone else has test driven!

Thanks for the help. I am a naive young female who just bought my first car and want to maintain it as well as possible....... :oops:

Asking a question is the first step on the road to wisdom. Don't sell yourself short!

My xB has a total of 700 miles (have had it less than a week!) first tank I got 32 MPG, the second totaled 34.5 MPG- and Im not complaining. My Ford Focus got if im lucky 30 MPG, and usually got 27 MPG . BTW- the focus had 110 HP and was 2750 pounds.

My first tank - 290 miles on 9.5 gallon - Roughly 30mpg. City and highway driving with AC on 90% of the time. Babied it most of the time (Breaking it in)

Hey brarsandeep, I just realized we took delivery on our xB's on the same date! I filled up again today ( I now have almost 800 miles ) and went 165 miles on 5.1 gallons=32.5 . 50/50 hwy/city. A/C on 70% of the time.

800 miles in one week....WOW!!! That's a lot of driving. :shock: Hope you are enjoying every mile!

Yes I am- I am now slowing down on the milage. I went on 2 - 200 mile trips. So if you take those off, i would really have 400 miles (still quite a bit) O well- my payments are the same-minus well drive it!

I just did my second fillup yesterday. Our area is flat and most of my driving is on 2 or 4 lane state roads. I have a 5 spd and am driving conservatively during break in.

1st fillup was 34.75 mpg

2nd fillup was 44 mpg!! I checked the math twice and my wife checked again. I was shocked. I could have read the pump wrong but I don;t think so.

I just did my second fillup yesterday. Our area is flat and most of my driving is on 2 or 4 lane state roads. I have a 5 spd and am driving conservatively during break in.

1st fillup was 34.75 mpg

2nd fillup was 44 mpg!! I checked the math twice and my wife checked again. I was shocked. I could have read the pump wrong but I don;t think so.

34 is reasonable for conservative driving at constant speeds. 44 is a bit high. Are you sure that you are filling the tank consistently? With that little teeny fill tube it is rather difficult. If your next MPG calculation comes out really low it's likely that this is the problem.

If you've looked at my mileage data you'll see that mileage can vary quite a bit from fillup to fillup. The only way to get an accurate method is to keep track over several fillups. This minimizes the effect of varying fillups and driving conditions.

George

This has probably been touched upon, but speed and where most of the driving is done does effect the mileage. I saw about 30mpg for a half tank when driving highway, but as soon as I hit a city with a lot of lights and stop and go traffic, it's about 25 or so.

I only have about 1100 miles on the car.

On another note, does anyone have an idea of how many miles can be eeked out of the car with the gas light on?

People, people, people....

I wonder how many of you have upgraded to 18" or larger wheels? That alone affects gas mileage drastically. After that, you can figure your lead foot, and cargo, air conditioning, etc...

The crap about improved gas mileage after a break-in is false. I have gotten exactly what I expected in all conditions, whether I had 10 miles or 3000 miles. Sure it will improve slightly with more miles, but nothing drastic.

I think I must be the only person who ordered 15" alloys, instead of the 18", as I have seen many other xB's, and have yet to see another one with 15"alloys.

I have 3,000 miles on mine, and have taken #'s in all conditions. The worst I got was on a recent tank of gas driving around the city, and it was still 29 MPG.

I also recently drove a 8-hour trip through 80% mountains, driving 70 MPH, and still got 33 MPG.

I think the most important factors, are the size of your wheels, and how heavy your right foot is? I guess I must be the oldest, ( at 32), or the slowest xB driver on the road, since I've been pretty happy with my gas mileage.

People, people, people....

I wonder how many of you have upgraded to 18" or larger wheels? That alone affects gas mileage drastically. After that, you can figure your lead foot, and cargo, air conditioning, etc...
That would be interesting to find out. I don't see any data to support the "drastic" part of your statement, though. Someone would have to make the switch and keep track of mileage over a few thousand miles before and after to be able to make any meaningful statements. As I have pointed out, tank-to-tank mileage can vary by several MPG even without apparent changes in driving habits.
The crap about improved gas mileage after a break-in is false. I have gotten exactly what I expected in all conditions, whether I had 10 miles or 3000 miles. Sure it will improve slightly with more miles, but nothing drastic.
You seem to be right there. My data shows no change from the first 3000 and the subsequent 7000 miles. It seems to have settled in at 28.6MPG and will likely stay there until I change driving habits.
I think I must be the only person who ordered 15" alloys, instead of the 18", as I have seen many other xB's, and have yet to see another one with 15"alloys.
That's because a lot of us are satisfied with 15" steel wheels! Durable, light, and easy to maintain! :)
I have 3,000 miles on mine, and have taken #'s in all conditions. The worst I got was on a recent tank of gas driving around the city, and it was still 29 MPG.
Have you kept records? It would be nice to get another set of long term data!
I also recently drove a 8-hour trip through 80% mountains, driving 70 MPH, and still got 33 MPG.
This matches my experience. Mileage goes up on the highway as long as the speeds stay reasonable.
I think the most important factors, are the size of your wheels, and how heavy your right foot is?
I think it is the other way around, with foot weight being far more important than wheels. It would be interesting to get some side-by-side coastdown data for stockers and 18s. Anyone care to volunteer?
I guess I must be the oldest, ( at 32), or the slowest xB driver on the road, since I've been pretty happy with my gas mileage.
You're not even close on the age! :)

george u da man mofo!! :D ..your milage data inspired me to rethink how i was looking at my own milage...thanks for that!!

AS FAR AS THIS

I think I must be the only person who ordered 15" alloys, instead of the 18", as I have seen many other xB's, and have yet to see another one with 15"alloys.

me and my wife ordered 15 inch enkei alloy rims for ours, same size as stocker, possibly LIGHTER, therefore , you would think an INCREASE in milage would be apparant, however, we have still seen sub par, albeit better the last tank gas mialge (FINALLY hit over 28 mpg on 70% hgwy driving)

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The crap about improved gas mileage after a break-in is false. I have gotten exactly what I expected in all conditions, whether I had 10 miles or 3000 miles. Sure it will improve slightly with more miles, but nothing drastic.

I think I must be the only person who ordered 15" alloys, instead of the 18", as I have seen many other xB's, and have yet to see another one with 15"alloys.

i have the stock 15" wheels and have constantly been getting 33 mpg city/highway after break-in.

I drive about 50/50 city/highway and I'm getting around 380 miles between fillups (between 10-11 gallons), so that comes out to ~34-38mpg. I also tend to drive the hell out of it.

Took me 2 weeks o empty my first full tank of gas, 305mi, 9.2 gal, 33mpg. Easy going driving habits (rarely hit 65), stock car and wheels. Rarely over 3000rpm in any gear too helps IMO. AC was on about 90% of the time, so I agree with others about it having little effect (both in mileage and in temperature!).

well... i decided to really guage the MPG on the xB.

And to my surprise... the xB does get pretty gas mileage.

What i did was fill the tank to full. Then reset one of the trip odometer.
I drive about 35 miles to work each day...that's about 70 mi round trip. I drive mostly in traffic on the freeway (70%) and on local streets (30%).

once my fuel got low.... i noticed that my trip guage was reading 304 miles. Then i filled up the gas again...which tipped off at 9.6 gallons. when you divide the miles by the gallon pump..u get MPG..which in my case was 31.6 MPG. i did this about 2 weeks in a row..and i averaged about 30 MPG.

Your driving habit does matter when it comes to MPG.

for those wondering.. i have an Auto xB with 17 rims running K&N Typhoon intake with branzach exhaust.

In conclusion... i'm happy with the xB MPG.

well... i decided to really guage the MPG on the xB.

And to my surprise... the xB does get pretty gas mileage.

What i did was fill the tank to full. Then reset one of the trip odometer...
once my fuel got low.... i noticed that my trip guage was reading 304 miles. Then i filled up the gas again...which tipped off at 9.6 gallons. when you divide the miles by the gallon pump..u get MPG..which in my case was 31.6 MPG. i did this about 2 weeks in a row..and i averaged about 30 MPG.

Your driving habit does matter when it comes to MPG.

Now, get a little notebook and keep it in the glovebox. record your odometer reading and the gallons put in for every fillup. After 2000 miles or so you'll have a much more accurate overall mileage than a single fillup will give.

Now, get a little notebook and keep it in the glovebox. record your odometer reading and the gallons put in for every fillup. After 2000 miles or so you'll have a much more accurate overall mileage than a single fillup will give.

You're so old fashioned. :lol:

I have an excel file in my Palm T3 that I record each fill-up: with the date, number of gallons, miles traveled for that fill-up, MPG for that tank, and a cumulative for total numer of miles to date, total number of gallons to date and average MPG to date. Putting it in the Palm Pilot makes it really simple to enter data, and it syncs onto my laptop as well. Formulas calculate the the MPG and tally the cumulatrive totals as soon as I enter in the miles and gallons.

Cheers!

Cooper

Well, after four fill-ups, I can say that I am very pleased with the MPG of my stock manual Lava. I've gone from a low of 23 MPG during the initial break-in (I only gave her 150 miles or so to break in, mostly city driving) to a high of 31 MPG on my last tank. Right now, I'm at about 1,000 miles. I'm hoping that as I continue to break her in the MPG will improve. Of course, it would help if I didn't tear up the highway at 80, but there's only so much you can do...

Bontster

Now, get a little notebook and keep it in the glovebox. record your odometer reading and the gallons put in for every fillup. After 2000 miles or so you'll have a much more accurate overall mileage than a single fillup will give.

You're so old fashioned. :lol:

I have an excel file in my Palm T3 that I record each fill-up: with the date, number of gallons, miles traveled for that fill-up, MPG for that tank, and a cumulative for total numer of miles to date, total number of gallons to date and average MPG to date. Putting it in the Palm Pilot makes it really simple to enter data, and it syncs onto my laptop as well. Formulas calculate the the MPG and tally the cumulatrive totals as soon as I enter in the miles and gallons.

Well, my little notebook cost $3.00 :)

Seriously, you've got a great idea there! If you've made a special spreadsheet for your Palm you might want to pass it along to Darren for the technical section of this site. It sounds like a great tool for those of us who are not gadget-challenged!

George

Well, my little notebook cost $3.00 :)

Seriously, you've got a great idea there! If you've made a special spreadsheet for your Palm you might want to pass it along to Darren for the technical section of this site. It sounds like a great tool for those of us who are not gadget-challenged!

George

$3.00? - well I'm beat...

I think it took more time to describe the spread sheet than to create it. If I'm going to share it, I may need to add some fancy colors in... :D

Im getting about 28 mpg in my XB but I drive like a bat out of hell :lol: :lol:

I'm getting the same mileage in my xB and I do drive like a bat out of hell. :lol:

People, people, people....

I think I must be the only person who ordered 15" alloys, instead of the 18", as I have seen many other xB's, and have yet to see another one with 15"alloys.

I have 15" alloys. Check them out in my profile pic.

I think the most important factors, are the size of your wheels, and how heavy your right foot is? I guess I must be the oldest, ( at 32), or the slowest xB driver on the road, since I've been pretty happy with my gas mileage.

I've got ya beat by 2 years (34 here). I probably have somewhat of a lead foot. Starting out from a dead stop, I tend to push the car harder than I should. I also shift gears between 3K-4K rpms. That being said, I've been averaging 28-30 mpg and I calculate this every time I fill up. Most of my driving is on the highways where at least half of that is in stop and go traffic (Boston area traffic sucks and so do those who designed the on- and off-ramps that either make you slow down to get onto the highway or make you merge into traffic coming onto the highway when you're trying to exit).

Anyhow, I'm disappointed at not getting anywhere close to the 34 mpg (I think the highest I've calculated for my xB was 31 mpg). But, I'm certainly glad it's not the reported mpg that SUVs don't even approach. :lol:

By the way, I have nearly 8500 miles on my xB and I got it in February of this year if that matters in any calculations for what mpg I should be getting.

i gettiing horrible gas milage on my brand new xb. almost down to half my first tank and i've only gone 75 mi. maybe itz cuz they didn't fill it up all da way. i'll have 2 wait for my 2nd tank 2 see

i live in the mountains and have 18's. i cruise at 75mph usually and can get 31mpg.
some weeks its like 25mpg. i also have the $219 injen cai.

the way i calculate is as follows....
1. fill the tank till it stops itself. press the trip button.
2. drive until i feel like filling it up again.
3. fill it up until it stops itself while noticing how many gallons it took. divide the miles on the trip by the number of gallons the pump shows.


its not accurate to just say, well it has a 10.5 gallon tank, and i got 302 miles when i thought it was empty...so 302 divided by 10.5=......thats not accurate

Shaun

a friend of mine that has his xB for a good 4 months now gets around 32-36. He said being VERY gentle on the throttle and smooth acceleration has always proved the best of any new cars he has had. Very easy to floor it all the time and damage the engine from inproper break in's. He also changed the oil/filter at 1500k, 3000k, 4500k and has been extremely pleased.

I have had my auto xB (stock w/15' wheels) for only a week and the first fill-up I computed 33mpg (city/highway) mix so that is not bad at all.

Also....I have been reading the posts regarding buying new cars off the lot. Ours had 12 miles on the odometer and was suppossedly brand new. Is this too high or am I being paranoid?

When i took delivery of my xB, there were 2 miles on the odometer. :shock:

I;ve been tracking my mileage since day one. I have 7,000 miles on my xB. The best I get is 39 mpg traveling from North Jersey to South Jersey (mainly all gentle downgrade) The return trip averages 34-35 mpg. Overall from all my other routes, I'm getting 35 mpg highway. When stuck in commuting traffic I'm averaging 32 mpg. Thing to note: I tend to take it easy in this car since the motor is so small. I bought it for the funky fun, not the power. I sure like spending only 6 bucks a day on gas instead of the 12.50 a day in my last car!

i've been getting 35 mpg last time i checked which was probably a month ago.

but the mpg dips madly if you are flooring it everywhere you go. so that could have a negative effect. if you want decent gas mileage , im guessing go around 60-65 mph.

fisrt tank=26mpg (lots of full throttle redline runs... school of hard break-in!)
second tank= 27mpg (still doing lots of break-in runs)
third tank=32mpg (60/40 local/hwy normal driving) :lol:

In addition to the tips other folks gave, I have a few more:

1. alignment is important! front wheels should have 0 toe. Back wheels should ideally have slight toe-in. Toe-out is good for auto-x, BAD for mileage & wear.

2. cold starts= bad. Lots of cold starts and short trips= BAD gas mileage ( I have lots of short trips myself- I can't avoid it unfortunately :( )

3. tire pressure should be ~32->35 psi.

4. the best driving strategy is: accelerate quickly in lower gears, but shift at ~3000rpm. Get in to higher gears as soon and as much as possible. When in higher gears use very little gas, just enough to maintain cruising speed.

5. Conserve momentum and minimize the use of brakes. If you see a redlight coming up, lift off the gas and creep towards the redlight.

At 1k miles I'm getting an average of 32mpg with equal mix of city/hwy miles. Sure it will rise with more miles on the clock and after the switch to Moble1.

i never get full tanks nor do i ever ever drive nice..
but i decided to just to see..
i did about 70% freeway and 30% street
ALL with the a/c on(cuz its been so hot in cali)...

i got 32mpg.... im very pleased..
my engine is bone stock and i usually have passengers with me

does the mileage on the xB start to suck if your highway speeds are above 75mph? I do about... 50/50 city/highway. I do 50-60mph on the regular roads and 80mph on the highway and im only seeing 25mpg IF that... granted i only have 400 miles on my 05' xB and I have 18" Enkei RPOM's on it, but wouldnt the larger wheel diameter make the odo read incorrectly anyway? in my opinion people that are saying that your wheel size adversely affects mileage are retarded... it shouldnt change whatsoever so long as your driving habits remain the same.

First two fill-ups I got 31-32 mpg. The last fill-up was 36. I atrribute that to the novelty of driving like a bat out of hell wearing off. I'm extremely pleased with 36 and if I can keep it around there, I'll be more than satisfied. I have the AEM CAI and TRD exhaust on my box. Also, most likely coincidence, but I installed the Ground Fusion grounding kit right before my trip to get the last fill-up.

im absolutely positively baffled at how some people are getting a solid 10mpg higher than me. for instance. I just topped off my xB tonight, then had to do some highway driving. I have exactly 50 miles on the trip meter @ the first bar down, which would appear to be 3/4 tank left. if it kept up @ that rate I would only get 200miles to a tank which is unacceptable. and i do NOT drive like a bat out of hell, in fact taking off at lights i get people swerving around me and honking for me to get out of their way because im put along so slow... I rarely ever get above 3krpm except on the highway where i do about 3200rpm because i drive about 80mph...

my last tank was 25mpg, i got 240 miles for 9.5 gallons. has anybody done any experiments to see what if any affect the grade of gas you use has? Ive been using the bottom of the line grade @ the gas station because i didnt think it made any difference. any suggestions? or should i just call my dealership and start _____ing.

Just to add to all the info..

My XA (5000 miles on it) gets between 35-42mpg

The very first tank I got 46 mpg! ?

The last three tanks of gas I went from 87 to 89 octane but see no effect...in part becasue my A/c will not shut off.

I also work hard at trying to get good mileage. It seems best between 40-50 mph
At over 65 it drops (3500rpm) back to 35ish range.

My next set of experiments I will use Moblle 1

aside--On a recent trip driving on I95 a mini-van cut me off and I had to steer quickly to avoid a collision and the car handled terrific

aside2-parked next to a mini-cooper...when the two folks came out they stood looking at my silver Xa and said "cool...a mini mini van"

c

Hi all. I recently b!tched on a seperate thread about my mpg sucking as well. Since then, I've done some experimenting and found a way to improve my mpg.
What a pain in the butt!!!!
1) Coast, coast, coast. I got my foot off the pedal more and let the car coast a whole lot more. This was the biggest change and improvement.
2) Putt, putt, putt. The car is a cruiser, not a chaser. Its happiest puttering around at 25, 35, 45 and 55 mph. Anything above 65 got BAD milage. 70 was a stretch. 80 was a joke, you could see the gage fall every 10 miles.
3) Turtle vs. Hare. Slow and steady wins the race.

I really dont' like the fact that I have to baby this car so much. My old beater Escort would get 35 mpg even when I tore around in it, passed cars, drove 90 (CPH pretend you didn't hear that), etc. Too bad it blew the gasket.

Yeah, I guess I'm still having buyers remorse with this car. :?

im absolutely positively baffled at how some people are getting a solid 10mpg higher than me.

It's probably more a matter of random chance than different mileage. My mileage has ranged from a low of 24 to a high of 39. It is impossible to get a consistantly full tank at a given fillup, due to the design of the tank and filler system. If the car is tilted slightly differently, the tank will take more or less fuel that it would tilted the other way. The only way to detemine a true mileage is to keep track of fuel consumption over several fillups. My overall mileage has been 28.6MPG over the first 10,000 miles.

for instance. I just topped off my xB tonight, then had to do some highway driving. I have exactly 50 miles on the trip meter @ the first bar down, which would appear to be 3/4 tank left. if it kept up @ that rate I would only get 200miles to a tank

The gauge is far from linear. Mine stays above "F" until I've gone 40-60 miles, then drops slowly until below 1/2 full. The last quarter of the guage goes away very fast!

George

I drive around 160 miles daily, and at 80+mph. Yes, I know I'm not supposed to speed, but the car is so comfortable at that speed. And I still get 30+mpg.

For a list of mods, check out this month's feature ride article.

The only way to detemine a true mileage is to keep track of fuel consumption over several fillups. My overall mileage has been 28.6MPG over the first 10,000 miles.


The obsessive person that I am, I have kept track of my fillups for the last 16,000 miles. I average 31.40615 MPG (that's before the 4.5% speedo error :D ). Ranging from 27 mpg to 35 mpg. 90% of the time I use the same pump at the same gas station. I have no engine mods, just lowered on Goldlines.

Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

I've had my Xb for 1500 miles now and I've been keeping track of the mileage ever since I recieved the car in Excel. So far I'm averaging 27.4mpg with a high of 28.5 Even with the 4.7% odo error this still isn't equating to 30mpg. Actually, I have never gotten a mpg reading over 30. I'd say I drive 80% city 20% freeway and definately do not have a lead foot.

I will say that my MPG tracking does seem to indicate that the more miles on the car, the better your mpg will be. (My last three tanks have averaged just over 28mpg which is slightly better than my overall MPG)

I am hoping that buy the time my car hits the 3k mark, I'll be reliably hitting the 30mpg mark.

I will continue to track the mileage probably for as long as I Have the car.

I have an auto xB w/ 5,000 miles on it. I have done a couple of tests and found my odometer reads 5.1% too low. As a result, my average over this period is about 32-33mpg (w/out the factor applied it is reads 30-31mpg). Out of these miles, I would say 3/4th are highway miles traveling about 75mph.

this has kinda been discussed, but now there is an article from cnn.

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/02/pf/autos/epa/index.htm

it confirms what some have stated and that we are not alone.

I am a solid 27MPG... 95% highway RS1 , 5-spd.

Someone was mentioning eariler that hondas get more realistic than toyotas... well I have not tested every honda or toyota, but my buddies 2004 4-door accord 4-cycl, auto... was LOADED down with at least 1100 lbs of people and luggage on the way to georgia a couple weeks ago and we averaged 30-32 highway .. epa is 34

To say the least I was very impressed.

Also I have said it once I will say it again the epa is an estimate, at the bottom is a range testers got in MPG.... I believe they take ether the mean or median number and that the bold number for each highway and city. The problem is even then its BULL____, my xb says the range for highway is 31 to 39 ... the bold number is 35. Driving 60 mph on flat terrian for a half a tank the best I got was 29.2 MPG and that was with the a/c off most of the time, or on low. At typical highway speeds (70-75) I again get about 27. I think someone's getting some cash under the table.

I DO NOT personally know anyone who gets over 30 MPG. so you 38MPG people PLEASE fill me in how its possible.

Oh and for the record I DO NOT hot rod the box at all.

AND I have 9K miles on my car with 2500-3000 mile oil changes. NO performance exhaust and intake either.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the varying types of fuel sold across the country. I know here in NJ we have a special blend of gasoline. Chicago has another and California multiple blends. I think there's approx 20 different blends of fuel distributed across the country.

I'm averaging 34 mpg after 12,000 miles. The lowest I get is 31, highest 39. It's been consistent from the beginning. I don't normaly go faster than 65-70. I take it easy on take-offs and let go of the gas early for braking. Other than that nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm ranging from 29-34 MPG. Running highway miles around 70MPH will get 34. At 80MPH you won't get much over 30. My first tank was about 23MPG, now with 10K+ miles (since June 04) it will get the 31-34 on the sticker, willing to bet more with a K&N installed.

BTW, I drive the ____ out of cars so 30+ MPG at 80+ MPH is great!

32.8 mpg on my last fill-up with just over 2k on the car.

This is with 75% highway driving (63-68mph) and only taking it over 3k if needed to merge in or something like that.

i got my xb 5spd on tues with a full tank of gas and 1 mile on the odo. i ran it until the gas light turned on plus and extra 30 minutes. i checked my odo before i refueled at the gas station and it read 271. i filled up my tank, about 50 cents after the gas clicker (full tank indicator) and the gas meter said i filled up withe 10.5 gallons. comes out to about 25-26 mpg. not even close to the 31-35mpg the book and tag said it would get. kinda disappointed..... but kinda not.... my other car gets about 17mpg.... so it seemed like my gas lasted forever in my xb.

all in all.... im ok with it..... but not completely satisfied....

I know this is a dead horse, but this was my exact first tank too(last weekend).

I noticed that I had the venting set on floor/defrost. But I never noticed teh a/c light being on. After driving and lookin under the car, I came to the conclusion it did have a/c on. I'm assuming that's where my mileage came from. :(

i got my xb 5spd on tues with a full tank of gas and 1 mile on the odo. i ran it until the gas light turned on plus and extra 30 minutes. i checked my odo before i refueled at the gas station and it read 271. i filled up my tank, about 50 cents after the gas clicker (full tank indicator) and the gas meter said i filled up withe 10.5 gallons. comes out to about 25-26 mpg. not even close to the 31-35mpg the book and tag said it would get. kinda disappointed..... but kinda not.... my other car gets about 17mpg.... so it seemed like my gas lasted forever in my xb.

all in all.... im ok with it..... but not completely satisfied....

I know this is a dead horse, but this was my exact first tank too(last weekend).

I noticed that I had the venting set on floor/defrost. But I never noticed teh a/c light being on. After driving and lookin under the car, I came to the conclusion it did have a/c on. I'm assuming that's where my mileage came from. :(

I would not use the initial fill up for the mpg. You need to use the same exact pump and go to one click for the initial and return fill-up. I guarantee your numbers will be better than what you got on the first tank :idea:

i just got 38.14 miles per gallon on 76 gas!!!!

i just got 38.14 miles per gallon on 76 gas!!!!
at what 35mph in 5th going down hill?

nope he was in nuetral...lol

i just got 38.14 miles per gallon on 76 gas!!!!
at what 35mph in 5th going down hill?

Actually, driving like a grandma. 80% highway 65-70mph. These cars arent fast, so why waste the effort.

I filled up yesterday. Got 30 mpg in town

I have 13000+ miles. With 4 snows in winter have seen as low as 26. This is driving at speeds o70-80. The highest I have seen w/my stock 15" is 33-34. The key is keeping revs below 3000 rpm.
I also have 150 lbs of stuff in cargo area and mine is an automatic.

i just got 38.14 miles per gallon on 76 gas!!!!

38 is my personal best so far.
I just hit 23 on a road trip - trying to follow my buddy in his A6 going 85 against a MASSIVE headwind. I can't say I'm surprised by my poor mpg under these conditions... :doh:

haha yea.. pesky lack of aerodynamics.. at least we look cool. hah jk

25mpg is pretty decent isnt it?

Just over 3K and averaging a little over 33 mpg. That is a mix of highway and city and all stock except the 7-spoke 15" rims.

haha yea.. pesky lack of aerodynamics.. at least we look cool. hah jk
Dang straight we look good! :silly:

Just filled up today. 33MPG with a combination of highway/city. Ive regularly gotten 30, only dipped to 28 once.

My 2 cents: My 5 speed xB, with 19K showing gets 34 to 35 on the highway under 70 mph. In town, I shift around 3K rpm and get about 31 mpg. The trick is the engine sucks gas the moment you start getting it above 4K rpm. If you drive sane (as the car is designed to do) you will get good mileage after break in.

If you goose it a lot and keep those revs up your mileage will plummet into the mid 20's before you know it.

After 11,000 miles I'm getting a consistent 28mpg in town, and 30 hwy