Ok, there have been countless threads started and end up in a heated argument, and eventually getting locked. The topic in question is the dreaded....06 Civic SI vs. Scion TC.

Well, I raced one, and I HAVE IT ON VIDEO! Well, sorta have it on vid. My vid is 95% pitch black (due to having 20% window tint, and trying to film video with a digital camera). I Knew I would loose, but I wanted to see by how much. My goal was to at least beat him 0-60, to which I did. After 60, is when the Si started to creep me. At 100, I was about 1 car behind. I think that with just a full exhaust, crank pulley, and possibly a Header, you should either stay with it after 60, or walk a stock 06 Si.

I Apologize in advance of the lack of visibility. But there is enough for you to know what the outcome is.

06 Scion tC with ZPI S-pipe and ZPI exhaust w/Blitz Nur Spec Muffler Driver and 1 Passenger

VS.

Stock 06 Si. Driver only.

The Camera car is the tC.

Click here to watch 2006-Si-vs-2006-tC (http://media.putfile.com/2006-Si-vs-2006-tC)


And my final analysis is this. 0-60 between the 06 Si, and an 06 tC....IS PURELY A DRIVERS RACE! The tC stock traps in the 1/4 mile around 85-88mph. At 80mph the 06 Si was only 1/2......YES...1/2 a car length in front of me. I say I did pretty darn good for being down 30hp. And every time we started from 0, I got the jump each time due to the nice low end of the tC. IN CONCLUSION.....A tC with a S/C ONLY would murder a Stock 06 Si, despite some peoples/magazines reports trying to say that both of them are a tie. I find it very hard to believe that the 06 Si is the same as a S/C tC. If that's the case, then I feel sorry for the S/C guys who spent 3g's only to be that much faster than a tC with a Full exhaust + S-Pipe.


So, let the debate begin...

AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.....DON'T GET THIS THREAD LOCKED!

hmm.. my only comment is one you already mentioned... it's really DARK... results were kinda what i expected.

look below

not bad...sux i have an auto though, i prolly would be killed, unless i could shift myself 1>2>3>D...i have done that alot, i have raced alot of people, organized races, so it was "safe"... i will step on the gas and brake, and let off the brake and take the car up to 5k, let off gas shift to 2, step on it, take it to 6k, let off gas, shift to 3, take up to 6k, let off gas, shift to D take it to however much it takes till race is over. this usually works good, cuz i have beat a manual tC with a CAI.

so i think i do pretty good

^^err.. i don't think you really need to let off the gas to "shift" the automatic.... once you shift it up.. it'll allow the computer to shift on it's own...

dont wanna take chances haha, i prolly could just shift up but i havent really tried yet

err... that's what i did before (on old car).... the computer knows when to shift.. :)

but from what i've read and heard.... it's just better to have it in D and floor it. the computer will (in my experience) for sure come close to redline in 1st, and then really high in 2nd... and so on..

well hopefully on the SE triathalon i can do two runs on the 1/8th mile...if so ill run with D, and the other with my method.i will be taking off my muffler that day though

I just raced an 06 Si 5spd in my auto and it was about the same as the video.

All i did was floor it. With my car being bone stock, i thought it did pretty good against a manual w/30 or so more horses.

Kudos to Autos!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

u should have ran the Si without a passenger , u would be surprised what that extra weight can go in such a close race .

nice. civic sis are pretty quick too

the 2003 honda accord coupe ex v-6 is pretty fast, you think you can take those on?

i think that it is a drivers race too, just cause of the tq. difference, i still cant wait to get the s/c i think your right that a s/c tc would own a si, just my thoughts, oh about the accaord, its a v-6 im not saying its possible, but depending on the weight, its improbable. Please dont flame me, its just what i think, i really havent looked into the accord.

u should have ran the Si without a passenger , u would be surprised what that extra weight can go in such a close race .


I didn't have the chance too. The camera guy was my g/f little brother, so I couldn't have him missing out. We both were proud of the tC for being able to hang, when she is only equipped with S-pipe and exhaust.


PS...This is the ONLY Si I have ever lost too. We have won against previous models. And even in the new model, 0-60 we win (It would be even more drastic if I was running without a passenger). But after 60 is when the TQ falls off, and the HP takes over....which we are down 30 or so HP.

i think that it is a drivers race too, just cause of the tq. difference, i still cant wait to get the s/c i think your right that a s/c tc would own a si, just my thoughts, oh about the accaord, its a v-6 im not saying its possible, but depending on the weight, its improbable. Please dont flame me, its just what i think, i really havent looked into the accord.


I've seen a tC take on the v6 accord. Granted it was only like a 1/8th track distance, but the tC came out on top. The weight difference I think is a bigger factor in that race.

I've raced a 98 V6 accord, auto vs. auto and neither one of us was able to pull any lengths.

Si doesn't impress me, its still a civic in my eyes.

The only Hondas/Acuras to outrun me have been LS Vtec hatches/RSX Type S and lightened out hatches with motor swaps.

Other than that I have not raced an 06' Si myself yet.

lol

I find it very hard to believe that the 06 Si is the same as a S/C tC. If that's the case, then I feel sorry for the S/C guys who spent 3g's only to be that much faster than a tC with a Full exhaust + S-Pipe.

nice race man. glad to see you FINALLY got to do it, after all this time of wanting. just too bad the vids so dark.


oh yea when you gettin FI again? :P

nice race man. glad to see you FINALLY got to do it, after all this time of wanting. just too bad the vids so dark.


oh yea when you gettin FI again? :P


in 2 maybe 2 1/2 weeks the car will be going under the automotive knife. My expectations are to have around 230whp at minimum. Anything over that will be sweet.

sounds sweet man
cant wait to see some of those pics with your engine bay, a turbo and some RHYTHMNSMOKE/WESMOKEGUYS water marks hehe :P

one problem i see here, and this is why the 06 SI kills the tC in performance. A friend dyno'd his 06 with header, exhaust, intake, and put down 197 whp...thats 3 short of what the tc does with the TRD SC if you want the dyno sheet I can send a link

sounds sweet man
cant wait to see some of those pics with your engine bay, a turbo and some RHYTHMNSMOKE/WESMOKEGUYS water marks hehe :P

That's "ISmokeGuys"....lol.

one problem i see here, and this is why the 06 SI kills the tC in performance. A friend dyno'd his 06 with header, exhaust, intake, and put down 197 whp...thats 3 short of what the tc does with the TRD SC if you want the dyno sheet I can send a link


What does that have to do with anything...The comparison in the magazines and in the previous threads that would always get Locked, have been a S/C tC vs. STOCK 06 Si. Not 06 Si with I/H/E. And a dyno sheet would be nice, cause be it that your friends SI might have put down 197 with those mods, it is in Tourqe where that Si would fail in comparison. They only differ in about 20 or so lbs. But a 197whp tC vs. a 197whp Si (being that it has I/H/E and putting down that number to the ground), I would put my money on the tC. It's going to have more TQ to go with it's 197whp. It might not be much faster vs a modded Si, but it still would win. At least with me driving that is..:P


PS...what I/H/E are out for the 06 Si? I didn't know they have massed produced parts yet.

sounds sweet man
cant wait to see some of those pics with your engine bay, a turbo and some RHYTHMNSMOKE/WESMOKEGUYS water marks hehe :P

That's "ISmokeGuys"....lol.

lol my bad man :doh:

DC sports/AEM what I'm saying is mod for mod for the money the SI is best in the performance scenario, not knocking the TC it is cheaper, I did own one

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/5659/img12973gg.jpg

I raced an 06 si in my o6 xb. Needless to say he killed me but it was fun

hahahah classic...its a good car, yeah the TQ would be a factor but I would take a N/A car that puts down 197 with bolt ons and then think about boost way before buying a car that makes 200whp with boost. Thats why I ditched the tC and got an xB now everyone knows its slow and can admire its looks and watch my tv's out the back hatch...I call it hatervision

hahahah classic...its a good car, yeah the TQ would be a factor but I would take a N/A car that puts down 197 with bolt ons and then think about boost way before buying a car that makes 200whp with boost. Thats why I ditched the tC and got an xB now everyone knows its slow and can admire its looks and watch my tv's out the back hatch...I call it hatervision


On the contrary, I would rather have a car produce as much TQ as it does HP reguardless of whether it was F/I or N/A.


And what's up with that TQ on the dyno sheet you just posted? It hella dips at 5200rpm. Not to mention being sorta weak in TQ #'s.

PS..I'm not clownin on your friends Si. Props to him for putting the 197 to the ground.

Its a Honda, the Torqueless wonder....that dip is the VTEC engagement point, you will also notice it went from 125 to roughly 175 hp at that point as well.

For Future Reference: This was not the moment I was waiting for.

I just raced an 06 Si 5spd in my auto and it was about the same as the video.

All i did was floor it. With my car being bone stock, i thought it did pretty good against a manual w/30 or so more horses.

Kudos to Autos!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

If you raced a 5speed than it was not a 06 Si as the only come with 6speed tranny's. You prob raced a EX.

For Future Reference: This was not the moment I was waiting for.


:loser: ...j/k

I just raced an 06 Si 5spd in my auto and it was about the same as the video.

All i did was floor it. With my car being bone stock, i thought it did pretty good against a manual w/30 or so more horses.

Kudos to Autos!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

If you raced a 5speed than it was not a 06 Si as the only come with 6speed tranny's. You prob raced a EX.

Naw..... it WAS an Si. My mistake being retarded and not putting 6spd instead of 5spd.

I love the new Si to death. If I didn't have a WRX right now, I'd buy one in a minute. Great little car.

And the K20Z series engine is proven already in the RSX Type S. Those guys are making somewhere around 275chp with simple mods. I/H/E + ITR Cams + Hondata reflash = BAM. That little car is an NA monster for being FWD.

^^Yeah, but the engine in the Si is more closely related to the TSX engine, not the Type S.

For Future Reference: This was not the moment I was waiting for.


:loser: ...j/k

:rofl: haha

^^Yeah, but the engine in the Si is more closely related to the TSX engine, not the Type S.

The only main differences are the balance shaft and drive-by-wire. Neither of which will significantly affect the gains from mods. The heavier weight of the balance shaft might parasitically drain a very small amount of power, but the gains should wind up being about the same. Plus the Z3 sounds cooler.

Ill roll up that si and smoke it like a blunt, then pass it around to the rest of the tC crew so they could hit it to. Those things are slow as dog sh!t, nice lookin car though. Couldnt see d!ck in that video but congrats on the 0-60 pull win

^^Damn that 20% window tint, works when you Don't want it to...Don't work when you want it to....lol

where is PHilly Dyno works???

Holly thread resurection....LOL.

the 2003 honda accord coupe ex v-6 is pretty fast, you think you can take those on?

I pwned my friend's 05 v6 lx accord at the strip, 3 times in a row. He's auto, though.
He ran consistent 15.7~9's, I ran 15.4~6.

I'll eat the ex v-6....LOL