http://cars.ign.com/articles/476/476134p1.html

they said it would be 7.0 secs for 0-60

if its true, then wow.

they also said that it would be released june 1st so take that into consideration.... since we all know it will be released in the 3rd week of june

I doubt that it will have a 7.0 0-60, they probably just guessed that. However that would be great.

I love IGN.

7 secs??!!
Sounds good to me at that price!!!
Can someone throw some stats for other popular cars? G35, 350z, CivicSi, RX8?

That review is from the end of January...

true, this review is from yesterday however:
http://cars.ign.com/articles/518/518241p1.html

7 secs is totally reasonable...

BMW 325i stick is 0-60 in 7s... weighs much more and has a few more ponies...

S2000 weighs less, has higher revs... 5.7s...

G35... 5.9s... 280hp, 3400lbs

Civic Si ... 7.4s.. 160hp, same weight as tC, but only 80% of the torque...

RX8 is 5.9... but rotary engines are different... 238hp/164ftlb, 3100lbs...

but really matters is that the SC in the tC will probably bring about 50hp... ok, maybe closer to 45... but it will knock a good chunk off that 7.0...

P.S. - ALL these figures are for standard transmissions....

Ok well lets think about this. An I4 Camry in 5spd trim runs 0-60 in 8.3 seconds and does the quarter in 16.5@85. Seeing that the Tc has about 200lbs on the Camry, stickier tires, and maybe a few extra horses, Id say that it should run the 1/4 mile in the 15.8-16.2 range. The 0-60 should be around 7.5 (equal to the similarly powered Nissan SE-R Spec V, Mitsu Lancer Ralliart etc). You'd be able to get a 7.0 with some bolt-ons or maybe if you can drive the ____ out of it. Look for the S/C version to run equal to an RSX type S or maybe a little slower (6.1 0-60, 14.8 1/4mile).

you are forgetting the gearing changes to the transmission... think this doesn't make a difference... hehe, go try to ride your bike in the top gear... 0-30mph on your bike without shifting... sheesh...

you are forgetting the gearing changes to the transmission... think this doesn't make a difference... hehe, go try to ride your bike in the top gear... 0-30mph on your bike without shifting... sheesh...

that is super hard and very tiring. haha i've done that so many times already trying to work my calves.

im guessing that the 0-60 time is for the manual trans. what do you think the time would be for the auto. im having an extremely hard time deciding between the auto or the stick.

well the 325 BMW is about 8.0s for auto and about 7.0 for stick... but that is a 5sp auto and a 5sp stick...

with the fact that first gear is much lower, I am thinking that the stick will probably be more like 1.2 to 1.3 seconds faster... I'll see if I can get some actual transmission numbers for the BMW to see if we can estimate better...

as for now, I am leaning towards about 7.0 or 7.1 for stick and 8.2 or 8.3 for auto...

im having an extremely hard time deciding between the auto or the stick.

Get a stick! If you care about driving. if you enjoy driving, if you want to go fast. If you want control over your car. Get a stick!

If driving is a task to be done, if you see your car as just a tool to get from point A to point B. Get an Auto.

If you still cant decide, the stick will save you $800 :D

even if he does enjoy driving, bumper to bumper traffic in a congested city 5 day / week for an hour commute...

I'd go auto... the car will still be quick enough, you'll be happy...

but the stick will be more spirited on the road in every way... it is geared lower in top gear, so mountains and passing will be a little easier...

it is a coupe, so a stick is not a thorn in your side when it comes time to sell the car... try to do that with a sedan... they'll rape you on the resale value...

Get the stick... you'll get so used to it you won't even notice it in bumper to bumper traffic... If you've ever driven manual in a small decently powered car before you probably won't wanna go back to auto for awhile...

My Si was my first stick and I probably will not be buying another auto till I have a minivan and 4 kids...

if you really enjoy driving, you won't settle for the auto...

If you've ever driven manual in a small decently powered car before you probably won't wanna go back to auto for awhile...

thats what my cousin told me. he started driving stick just about a year ago and he doesnt want to go back to driving auto.

definitely manuel transmission

i believe tC will get 0-60 in 7.5 yeah
with sc probably around 6.8

Not to ____ off u tC'rs but I hope that even with the s/c that its above 6.8 for 0-60. If it isn't then its gunna beat my Celie and thats bad. :wink:

If your celie is not a GTS than that's most likely going to happen. Sorry!

I'm hoping it'll break 6.5 with a few other small upgrades with the s/c... thats about what i'm aiming for.

definitely manuel transmission

i believe tC will get 0-60 in 7.5 yeah
with sc probably around 6.8


I doubt it. In this instance you aren't going to see much from the blower in the 0-60 time. In my honest opinion we are probably looking at 8+ for both times.

The real benefit will be in the quarter mile. Unfortunately, that is how centrifugal blowers work.

My GTi (MK3) is 2700 lb car that from the factory makes more torque and more horsepower. Magazines have it as 0-60 in 6.5-7.2 seconds. There is no way a heavier car with less power and torque is going to come near that range.


Adrian

Not to ____ off u tC'rs but I hope that even with the s/c that its above 6.8 for 0-60. If it isn't then its gunna beat my Celie and thats bad. :wink:

haha but then again its going to be s/c'ed, not n/a.

I doubt it. In this instance you aren't going to see much from the blower in the 0-60 time. In my honest opinion we are probably looking at 8+ for both times.

The real benefit will be in the quarter mile. Unfortunately, that is how centrifugal blowers work.

Ummmm....no. The only way a 200hp car will run 8 seconds 0-60 is if it takes you 2 seconds to pull off the 1-2 shift.

definitely manuel transmission

i believe tC will get 0-60 in 7.5 yeah
with sc probably around 6.8


I doubt it. In this instance you aren't going to see much from the blower in the 0-60 time. In my honest opinion we are probably looking at 8+ for both times.

The real benefit will be in the quarter mile. Unfortunately, that is how centrifugal blowers work.

My GTi (MK3) is 2700 lb car that from the factory makes more torque and more horsepower. Magazines have it as 0-60 in 6.5-7.2 seconds. There is no way a heavier car with less power and torque is going to come near that range.


Adrian

sorry, but you have to remember that a S/C car doesn't "come on the turbo"... the boost is dialed in by puley size and when the compressor hits it's efficiency range, the car will see an increase in power... when the engine is spinning 1500 rpm in a T/C setup, you are making less power than if you didn't have the turbo, but in a S/C setup you are making a marginal amount more power... the power curve of an engine determines it's overall performance, not a single number - so knowing the peak hp is pretty much worthless, it will give you a ballpark, but my 3200lb car with 186hp is 0-60 in 7secs... compare that to your car and you'll see that there is no magic equation to convert hp to 0-60 times...

If your celie is not a GTS than that's most likely going to happen. Sorry!
I'm hoping it'll break 6.5 with a few other small upgrades with the s/c... thats about what i'm aiming for.

No GT here. Silver manual GTS, no moonroof, no spoiler, ABS, sidecurtains, and alloy 16's. :wink:

haha but then again its going to be s/c'ed, not n/a.

Didn't get whatcha ment Djimpak. Are ya say'n ur tC is gunna be s/c'ed and because of that it's gunna be faster than a GTS? Not to say that it won't be. Wo, a double negitive sentence. :lol:

i'm saying the tC will be slightly or just faster than the GTS if it was s/c'ed but not N/A. the GTS is also 400 pounds lighter than the tC with a little more power. so if both cars were N/A, the GTS will win. if the tC was s/c'ed and the GTS was N/A then the tC would be somewhat faster. got what im trying to say?

I got what your trying to say djimpak. Thanks for explaining. I agree with ya. I think the s/c'd tC will be faster to 60 than the standard n/a GTS.

TRD has hinted several times that they might be working on a supercharger for the Celica GTS. But it looks like this is the last year for the GTS and I don't really see that s/c come'n out.

tC owners rejoice! With the s/c you'll mostl likely be able to skunk Celie GTS's. :wink:

^^ hey no problem.

didnt blitz come out with a sc for the GTS? if so, how much boost does it produce?

on Car&Driver: Boost they did a review of a TRD Celica GT... they said they chose the GT because it didnt' have the VVT, so the bottom end torque was much better and made the car much more driveable... with 7.5psi it was making 164hp and something like 145lb-ft... can't remember any of the other specs...

you can probably get away with 7psi of boost on a sub 10:1 engine, but any higher you are definitely gonna need intercooling... one solution would be a water to air intercooler, so then you wouldn't need to plum all the 3" tubing, just some 1/4" or 3/8" water lines... either way it will be expensive and require lots research and sweat...

Here's a link to a air to water intercooler on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2479855346&category=33741&sspagename=WDVW)

definitely manuel transmission

i believe tC will get 0-60 in 7.5 yeah
with sc probably around 6.8


I doubt it. In this instance you aren't going to see much from the blower in the 0-60 time. In my honest opinion we are probably looking at 8+ for both times.

The real benefit will be in the quarter mile. Unfortunately, that is how centrifugal blowers work.

My GTi (MK3) is 2700 lb car that from the factory makes more torque and more horsepower. Magazines have it as 0-60 in 6.5-7.2 seconds. There is no way a heavier car with less power and torque is going to come near that range.


Adrian

sorry, but you have to remember that a S/C car doesn't "come on the turbo"... the boost is dialed in by puley size and when the compressor hits it's efficiency range, the car will see an increase in power... when the engine is spinning 1500 rpm in a T/C setup, you are making less power than if you didn't have the turbo, but in a S/C setup you are making a marginal amount more power... the power curve of an engine determines it's overall performance, not a single number - so knowing the peak hp is pretty much worthless, it will give you a ballpark, but my 3200lb car with 186hp is 0-60 in 7secs... compare that to your car and you'll see that there is no magic equation to convert hp to 0-60 times...


Huh? This is a centrifugal blower not a roots-type positive displacement. You can't expect a centrifugal blower to make boost down low.
That just isnt how it works.

I know that the pulley size determines the boost, see my post in the "Why doesnt TRD believe in turbos" thread. I have a vortech V9 on my car, I know how superchargers and turbos work

I am sorry. Its a well known fact that centrifugal blowers don't make power OR torque until higher up in the rev range. Don't expect drastic decreases in 0-60 time. It isnt going to happen.



Adrian

Hence, you won't see a large decrease in 0-60

http://www.modernracer.com/sciontc.html

this site claims a 7.5second 0-60. still much faster than my civic :p
also lists redline at 7100rpm

8 seconds? You're joking, you know thats not gonna be the case, especially with the s/c.

^^ hey no problem.
didnt blitz come out with a sc for the GTS? if so, how much boost does it produce?

on Car&Driver: Boost they did a review of a TRD Celica GT... they said they chose the GT because it didnt' have the VVT, so the bottom end torque was much better and made the car much more driveable... with 7.5psi it was making 164hp and something like 145lb-ft... can't remember any of the other specs...

you can probably get away with 7psi of boost on a sub 10:1 engine, but any higher you are definitely gonna need intercooling... one solution would be a water to air intercooler, so then you wouldn't need to plum all the 3" tubing, just some 1/4" or 3/8" water lines... either way it will be expensive and require lots research and sweat...

Don't remember the manufaturer, but yeah there is a s/c for the GTS out there. But, I wouldn't use it. The 2ZZ's compresion is really high and with that s/c the engine might toast itself. I think thats what ur say'n in ur 2nd paragraph, right Mgithens?
Anyways I've already got a GTS on order. It's due in a couple of weeks. I think I can live with it. Warranty won't cover a s/c GT but it certainly will a stock n/a GTS. :wink: