xB motor swaps?

Does anyone know if there are any motors that would swap relatively easily into an xB?

I love the box. I want the box... but I really can't drive it at that power level, and I don't know if $4k for a 50hp turbo is going to make me feel any better about it. A decent 2.2-2.5 liter I4 would probablt be decent motivation. Anyne know where I can find more info?

Thanks,

-Justin

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I'm not looking to make a 'fast' xB.

But, this thing runs 0-60 in over 10 seconds with one occupant, and I would want this thing to make an occassional weekend road trip or maybe to carry some stuff back from Home Depot.

Add a few hundred pounds of passengers and gear to it and I will bet that the uphill sections of the Mass Pike on the way to LimeRock are very unpleasant. If I couldn't do this with the xB, there's really no reason for me to go with it.

And there are a couple that scoot around here with exhausts. They seem to add noise disproportionately to power (unfortunately)... and those are the TRD and Greddy exhausts. I don't think I want to hear the sounds that come out when the riceboys get their Midas Specials bolted up!

-Justin

You can swap in a 4efte starlet engine very easily for $2500 which includes the engine and install. It is a strong internal engine which holds 20psi so hitti8ng the 200hp mark is VERY easy at 16psi. I have seen a few echo's with it and it is great unless you plan on showing the car, then the engine looks small, trashed, and outta place.

Also the celica gt/gts engine will go in if you've got 4k lying around. But then your not hitting the 200hp mark but that would look AMAZING

I was just bs'ing on the 200hp. I think I'd be more concerned with a decent amount of torque through a nice portion of the rev band.

Since the xB is technically classed a truck, you probably have a lot of flexibility when it comes to motor swaps. I think something like a Nissan QR25DE would be an ideal swap. Since it's installed in juets about every Nissan you'd have to be able to find one relatively cheaply. As long as it can fit in the engine bay, it's probably not a lot more fabricating than would be involved in the other swaps.

If the 2.4 from a tC would fit and could be bought cheaply, that would be a good choice as well.

-Justin

Have you even driven one? I haul ___ all over the place. I pass all sorts of cars with big HP and torque. How many times do you go from 0-60 in an average trip? It's not a VW Bus (no offense George). Don't play the numbers game unless you remember to add the weight numbers in, and TC.

Yes, I have.

I didn't look up the numbers until I got back from the test drive.

The vast majority of my driving takes place between 0 and 60mph. And I'm sure I could pass a Ferrari in the xB, if the Ferrari were travelling at 60mph.

I'm not looking for thething to be 'fast' but it just seems like the box's motor is doing all it can just to move it around before you fill the interior with people and stuff.

-Justin

A 50 hp turbo plus supporting mods (intake, headers, full exhaust,ecu) will give you more power than the new civic Si and you still weigh 400lbs less. The Si with a driver can hit mid 15's so you could be hitting high 14's then. For about the same price in the end as a motor swap.

A 50 hp turbo plus supporting mods (intake, headers, full exhaust,ecu) will give you more power than the new civic Si and you still weigh 400lbs less. The Si with a driver can hit mid 15's so you could be hitting high 14's then. For about the same price in the end as a motor swap.

I agree. Wait for the turbo, less money, keep your warranty :idea:

A 50 hp turbo plus supporting mods (intake, headers, full exhaust,ecu) will give you more power than the new civic Si and you still weigh 400lbs less. The Si with a driver can hit mid 15's so you could be hitting high 14's then. For about the same price in the end as a motor swap.

Headers can't be added to a turbo - that shoudl be taken care of by the turbo manifold.

I would also hope that the ECU and intake should be part of a turbo kit.

Turbo and xB will put me close to 18k with no warranty. :/ That's why I was considering a motor swap. I have more faith in a 170hp n/a 2.4 than a 170hp turbo 1.5.

-Justin

A 50 hp turbo plus supporting mods (intake, headers, full exhaust,ecu) will give you more power than the new civic Si and you still weigh 400lbs less. The Si with a driver can hit mid 15's so you could be hitting high 14's then. For about the same price in the end as a motor swap.

Headers can't be added to a turbo - that shoudl be taken care of by the turbo manifold.

I would also hope that the ECU and intake should be part of a turbo kit.

Turbo and xB will put me close to 18k with no warranty. :/ That's why I was considering a motor swap. I have more faith in a 170hp n/a 2.4 than a 170hp turbo 1.5.

-Justin

Why wouldnt you have a warranty w/ the turbo? Wait a little while for the TRD

I didn't think there was a TRD turbo planned for these.

Is this a confirmed project, or just a rumor? If conformed, when and how much?

-Justin

You can swap in a 4efte starlet engine very easily for $2500 which includes the engine and install. It is a strong internal engine which holds 20psi so hitti8ng the 200hp mark is VERY easy at 16psi. I have seen a few echo's with it and it is great unless you plan on showing the car, then the engine looks small, trashed, and outta place.

where can these be found and where can they be installed? any pics of the echos that have them swapped?

I didn't think there was a TRD turbo planned for these.

Is this a confirmed project, or just a rumor? If conformed, when and how much?

-JustinConfirmed. So they say.

I didn't think there was a TRD turbo planned for these.

Is this a confirmed project, or just a rumor? If conformed, when and how much?

-JustinConfirmed. So they say.

Who is 'they'?

Is it the same 'they' that predict a version of the xB with a twin turbo Supra motor?

Sorry if I seem a skeptic, but do you have a link to a reliable source verifying this kit? I don't want to hold my breath waiting for a vaporware turbo kit.

-Justin

I have a Honda background. built a few high NA motors to date. Does anyone have the actually overall dimensions of the xB engine bay? I have no problem mix matching drivetrain manufactureres to chassis manufactureres. From what i hear the GTS vvti motor has its drawbacks. A K20 drivetrain from an RSX type S on the other hand can see 300whp allmotor. The motor itself is 80lbs less in weight then the old B series honda motors. Its configuration is also like the xb's unlike the bseries which is exhaust manifold in front and intake at firewall. Given that the kseries honda motors are taking off and people are begginning to truely modify them the R&D will be copleted already. A stock K20 will put out 210whp with IHE and a Hondata reflash of the ECU. Now your looking at a 2300lb vehicle with 210whp reliably with no internals or forced indcution.


I'm sponsored by John at Hytech and Toda racing ...this was my gold car at the bottom http://www.todaracing.com/topics/project_cars.html

here is John's(hytech exhaust and rsx-tuners interview at Sema a year or so back regarding his k20 building http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=101836 .... there are 2 videos there...one of his interview and one of his rsx on track. save as

My goals for the swap would be more modest and utilitarian than yours. :) I don;t want to build a scorcher, just a little torquier motor with a nice flat torque curve I think would be more suitable to the way I plan to use it.

I need to take some measurements of the Nissan QR25DE. I think that motor would be perfect for this. Or even the motor that the tC gets if that's plentiful enough to be found cheaply.

It's just that it's pretty rought to get the box moving now... and it could easily be loaded up with an extra 800 pounds just by filling the seats.

-Justin

the 2.4 is way to big the max u could go in this is 2.0l

A QR25 is too much motor in my opinion for this vehicle. The fiance has a SpecV sentra and even with a LS diff and more weight the car will just about yank the wheel out of your hands under certain conditions. I think the supercharger is the way to go with the advantage of better torque #'s than a typical turbo setup. All around a better tractable (*sp) vehicle for everyday driving.

The perfect engine swap and it can be had for only 350 pound with 40k on the odo.

http://cars.uk.freeads.net/image.php?id=68036

2.0 Toyota Turbo diesel.

Or go with the 2.0 out of an 86 celica/camry

WTF?? why would u swap a motor in thats gonna be older than the target market????

Not raging on you but thats just not smart.... lets stay in the OBD era. Your best bet would have to be a celica motor

XBOXED,

Easy there bug fella, Sarcasm does not translate very vell over the internet. It was a joke intended to illustrate everyone's need for more torque.

BTW I answered a question of yours on another thread about milleage on a dealers vehicle.

I have a Honda background. built a few high NA motors to date. Does anyone have the actually overall dimensions of the xB engine bay? I have no problem mix matching drivetrain manufactureres to chassis manufactureres. From what i hear the GTS vvti motor has its drawbacks. A K20 drivetrain from an RSX type S on the other hand can see 300whp allmotor. The motor itself is 80lbs less in weight then the old B series honda motors. Its configuration is also like the xb's unlike the bseries which is exhaust manifold in front and intake at firewall. Given that the kseries honda motors are taking off and people are begginning to truely modify them the R&D will be copleted already. A stock K20 will put out 210whp with IHE and a Hondata reflash of the ECU. Now your looking at a 2300lb vehicle with 210whp reliably with no internals or forced indcution.


I'm sponsored by John at Hytech and Toda racing ...this was my gold car at the bottom http://www.todaracing.com/topics/project_cars.html

here is John's(hytech exhaust and rsx-tuners interview at Sema a year or so back regarding his k20 building http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=101836 .... there are 2 videos there...one of his interview and one of his rsx on track. save as

my bro got some custom headers from hytech, they make nice clean stuff... cleanest welds i've ever seen.

XBOXED,

Easy there bug fella, Sarcasm does not translate very vell over the internet. It was a joke intended to illustrate everyone's need for more torque.

BTW I answered a question of yours on another thread about milleage on a dealers vehicle.

Sorry, BIG not BUG :D

thats not true. it all depends on whats available for the motor. i hate to use this analogy...but lets take a mustang. sure the 302 can get you fast as stink....but try the 351 or better yet a 460 cubic inch. those motors can be found many years ago. same with the 9" rears...sought after for their strenth.

some motors of the past can be made fast as stink. ie...did you know that in oh...88-89 there was a turbo toyota pickup truck? hard to find...but can be made to haul booty

my bro got some custom headers from hytech, they make nice clean stuff... cleanest welds i've ever seen.

http://www.hytechexhaust.com/honda/content_drag.htm


Jeff Taylor...thats me

yep, they look like those, a little different though, but yea, you can see how clean the damn welds are in the picture, lol. awesome headers.

A sample of Johns work. this was a one off he produced for me during our sponsorship. D shaped primaries....very labor intensive. guy is incredible

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p1b7fb688075f18497be2995e207fa17d/fc2a1cb3.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p18f3b187cc4c6d3d8bb7db0825bfc99e/fc2a1cb4.jpg

A QR25 is too much motor in my opinion for this vehicle. The fiance has a SpecV sentra and even with a LS diff and more weight the car will just about yank the wheel out of your hands under certain conditions. I think the supercharger is the way to go with the advantage of better torque #'s than a typical turbo setup. All around a better tractable (*sp) vehicle for everyday driving.

Maybe if there were a turbo or sc setup available under warranty... but that has yet to materialize.

I'm thinking of the QR because you can find one just about anywhere since they're installed in so many Nissans at the moment. I would probably be looking for one out of a Sentra, I think the SpecV may be tuned slightly hotter.

That way I could have a swapped motor running nowhere near its jagged edge and I could count on reliable running for a while, even if not with a factory setup.

Maybe a FWD KA24DE? Or a FWD SR20DE from a Sentra or G20. Am I showing my Nissan background yet? I'm not completely determined to drop a Nissan motor in there. I'm sure there's something comparable from Toyota, I'm just not familiar enough to know it.

What does toyota have for FE series motors between 2.0 and 2.5 Liters?

-Justin

[quote="Lip"]I have a Honda background. built a few high NA motors to date. Does anyone have the actually overall dimensions of the xB engine bay? I have no problem mix matching drivetrain manufactureres to chassis manufactureres. From what i hear the GTS vvti motor has its drawbacks. A K20 drivetrain from an RSX type S on the other hand can see 300whp allmotor. The motor itself is 80lbs less in weight then the old B series honda motors. Its configuration is also like the xb's unlike the bseries which is exhaust manifold in front and intake at firewall. Given that the kseries honda motors are taking off and people are begginning to truely modify them the R&D will be copleted already. A stock K20 will put out 210whp with IHE and a Hondata reflash of the ECU. Now your looking at a 2300lb vehicle with 210whp reliably with no internals or forced indcution.
"The motor itself is 80lbs less in weight then the old B series honda motors. "

B-Series engine/trans: 401 pounds

K-Series engine/trans: 403 pounds
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=879294
b series still own....i make 240whp out of 1.9liters with my b series... :P

yeah i saw that. locash is good people. doesn't change the fact how much easier it is to get the power out of the k motor

I would just suggest swaping a b16b or c because it is a honda motor and we all know that high grade honda motors have a lot of potential. Some may say that hondas are for ricers but if u say that u are an idiot. when i say high grade i am talking about si and type-r motors, not dx and lx. And high grade does not include any single sohc. if u want to go turbo than go with a non vtec LS integra motor and work on lower compresion.

There really is no sub 2.0 Honda motor that would fit my needs.

I want to be able to carry a full load of passengers and/or gear up a hill on the highway without downshifting. I don't need to do it at triple-digit speeds, but I need to be able to do it at 80mph.

If I were buildign a high-strung, low-slung street monster than the honda motors are my choice n/a.

-Justin

we are just talking in general and i'm glad our discussion between toyota and honda stays even keel....

There really are plenty of motors out there...but size is crucial due to enging bay size. As far as torque...your correct that a honda motor ...rather most 4cyl lack torque. More then likely a SC for our stock motors will be sufficient for your needs. A honda motor on the other hand (bseries gsr plus motor) is easily strokable. b18b integra ls cranks take care of this. I know...done that. I'll upload a video to show you its pull all over the place in a 2700lb integra with me and junk in it. Its a built integra motor with an LS crank.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNDE5NTA4NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

you MUST "save as"

this is an acceloration run to about 120mph

Just search for all motors 1.8L and under. The 2.0L will never fit without a lot of mods and although the 1.8 will be wedged in there, your still looking at descent NA power. Fitting a turbo under there is another problem. If you want that kind of power, your better off sticking with a 1.5L or even 1.3L and just building the ____ out of the internals and boosting like crazy.

The honda crv block is a 2.0 liter (b20) and is the exact same size as the b18


i'm naming all these honda possibilities....but people help me with the toyota motors. I don't know enough about them.

So has anyone came out and done an actual engine swap???

yes el prototypes has the stupid imo 4efte 1.3 liter starlet motor swap , turbo .

any bigger motor swaps??

none as of yet