when it comes to wheels, body kits, material, exhausts, intakes, etc.....
what do you settle for? do knock offs do it for you, or do you only roll with the real ____?

example...
volk gtps or fake motegis?
flowmaster rear end or blitz rear section?
tein or gold line?

for me, i only rock real ____......

I am also into the real thing....I wont ever buy knock off crap...especially with ground effects....if I cant afford the real thing I still wont go for the cheap crap I will save up

I am also into the real thing....I wont ever buy knock off crap...especially with ground effects....if I cant afford the real thing I still wont go for the cheap crap I will save up

exactly... if i cant afford it, ill wait it out until i can...

when it comes to wheels, body kits, material, exhausts, intakes, etc.....
what do you settle for? do knock offs do it for you, or do you only roll with the real ____?

example...
volk gtps or fake motegis?
flowmaster rear end or blitz rear section?
tein or gold line?

for me, i only rock real ____......

I dont think your comparison is correct..

Flowmaster or blitz? Thats compairing US to Japanese... Flowmaster doesnt have a knock of of a blitz exhaust, nor does tein or goldline.

A knock off is R1 Racing..That's a knock off.

Buddy Club 2..thats a knock off.

Blitz body kit on a Scion is a knock off.

I think you are compairing more of US-spec to J-spec.

I prefer whatever is quality. Whether it's US or Japanese.

what ever i can afford

when it comes to wheels, body kits, material, exhausts, intakes, etc.....
what do you settle for? do knock offs do it for you, or do you only roll with the real ____?

example...
volk gtps or fake motegis?
flowmaster rear end or blitz rear section?
tein or gold line?

for me, i only rock real ____......

I dont think your comparison is correct..

Flowmaster or blitz? Thats compairing US to Japanese... Flowmaster doesnt have a knock of of a blitz exhaust, nor does tein or goldline.

A knock off is R1 Racing..That's a knock off.

Buddy Club 2..thats a knock off.

Blitz body kit on a Scion is a knock off.

I think you are compairing more of US-spec to J-spec.

I prefer whatever is quality. Whether it's US or Japanese.

kinda sorta not really... flowmaster makes mufflers that look like jap ones... id consider it a knock off in a way.

so tell me, what is buddy club a knock off of?? or maybe you ment konig....

hey mike goldline is not a kock off, buddy club is some really goood jdm gear, konig is not a knockoff either. Knonic rims are knockoff, rimfire is a knockoff of crossfire. like denny said buddy club 2, most of the wheels at wheel max are copies. spend where you see fit and what turns your motor. Bill

Da Real Deal Holyfield for me. You can't sacrafice quality for cost. I would rather do it right the first time.

ok ok ok... enough of the what brand is real and what brand is fake.... lets see what people buy... real or fake

look at denny's signature and photo album, look at my signature and photo album that should tell you what we have bought or been sponsored by. Bill Turner Scion Evolution and proud to be a member.

I'd prefer an Original over a knock-off. American or Japanese. For me, JDM all the way. 8)

I want to pay EXTRA for Image.

This way my under 15,000 car has nothing but the best in advertising.

And everyone thinks I am cool.

Do people really think it's OK to use the word "japs"?

lots of people talk the talk..
but very few people walk the walk...

'jdm this' and 'jdm that'..
and 'yea for sure name brand'

i see more wheelmax wheels on this forum than wheelmax's website.

but as for me.. id rock whatever is nice, not constraining it to 'JDM' or 'JAP' as u call it

hahajoey Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 1:20 pm Post subject:
i see more wheelmax wheels on this forum than wheelmax's website.


LMFAO!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
:lol:

Damn ain't that the truth.
Worst of all people ask all these questions about what offset to get and they go out and buy the opposite of what people tell them and wonder why their rims are rubbing.

For performance, "might screw up the car if it fails" stuff, only the real deal. For looks, anything goes if it looks good. And Japs, that's like a secondhand slur IMO.

I don't care if its American brand or Japanese brand, good product is good product.
I will take K&N filter over Blitz simply because K&N is better in every single way (If you guys really do a review on filters). I use APEXi muffler other than Borla or whatever flow because the muffler shop and I both agreed on APEXi exhaust system is piece of art.

Alot of company starts with knock off and creat their own line of wheels later. Example? AXIS... major knock off when they started but now people say they are name brand. Quality? I don't think they are bad but I don't think they can be compare with Volk or Works.

All I can say is what you pay is what you get. If you are happy with your $1000 wheels good for you. If you can afford name brand, go for it. I go for my Emotion CR for $600 more than Sub Zeros and I felt lot better with my works. Definitly worth the extra $$$.

I put it this way... $6 dollar burger from Carl's Jr for 3.95. or $6 dollar burger from Island Burgers?

I agree with hahajoey...its whatever you like. I'm not real familiar with the real rim or wrong rim or not...I look at it as if hey"those rims are hot or sick to death" or "those rims look jacked"...as for the wheelmax thing...MAN I thought wheelmax was the REAL deal LOL..oh well I will be rockin some SICK 18's this summer from wheelmax...

$6 dollar burger from Carl's Jr for 3.95. or $6 dollar burger from Island Burgers?

Island for sure! Better quality! Ill pay the $7-8 for a Big Wave with Cheese and then pay the $4 for the chedder fries! Oh yeah and the passion fruit iced tea! :D

I think it depends on the company. When it came to my audio, only Phoenix Gold's highest-end line would satisfy my needs. My rims are ADR Gt-Sports, a definite knockoff of the Volk Daytonas. My springs will be Tein. I'm getting Gabe's exhaust, and the speed grill, so I guess I'm using more real deal parts than knockoffs. I just spend more money in some areas than others.

Mike R.
rolex87

Why would you care what I bought?
As long as it looks good and will last.
After all it is the person who has to live with it.
I buy whatever looks good,fits good,and has an acceptible price.
Whos to say what is the real deal?
If one company makes a successful product and some other company copies it,well then yea,they are the knockoff.
But 2 diff companies,one popular and one not,with 2 different products,that unknown company may very well pass the known company in fame on the street.
We are what makes an unknown company a known company.
An unknown company with their own product is one thing.
An unknown company reproducing a cheaper version of a successfull product is a totally different story.

just because companies make CHEAPER PRICED items don't mean u get what the
same quality of products.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14345&highlight=

read that thread. look at how ____ty those rims turned out to be.

note that those are all fake/replicas, all costing about 500 a set of 15" or less.

just cause u have a cheaper alternative doesn't mean you're always gonna get the
same quality..

and sometimes u dont even get the same ITEM! look! rims vs a ninja star.

I bought Motegi rims. Motegi is a knock off?? Is that what he is saying? I just picked out what I liked, I wasn't trying to be cheap. They weren't that cheap!! :?

I bought Motegi rims. Motegi is a knock off?? Is that what he is saying? I just picked out what I liked, I wasn't trying to be cheap. They weren't that cheap!! :?

not exactly what i was saying... hmmm how do i put it.... motegi makes a lot of rims that look almost exactly like outragously priced jdm wheels. the difference.... for example, volks are made to take the beating and motegis were meant for the show only n not the track at the same time....

im no knockin the knock offs... just tryin to see what everyone rocks...

So is this topic more for rims knock offs? or everything knock offs? Because I have never seen a 5zigen muffler knock off, or a scion appilague knock off.

I know that my exhaust system isn't a knock off of anything, do you think my systems aren't worth your time becuase I am not a name brand? :? Something to think about there.
And bill is right goldline isn't a knock off. I guess this topic is more for wheels. :?

So is this topic more for rims knock offs? or everything knock offs? Because I have never seen a 5zigen muffler knock off, or a scion appilague knock off.

I know that my exhaust system isn't a knock off of anything, do you think my systems aren't worth your time becuase I am not a name brand? :? Something to think about there.
And bill is right goldline isn't a knock off. I guess this topic is more for wheels. :?

Man gabe--how can you say that you've never seen a 5zigen Fireball knockoff--that is THE MOST copied muffler style EVER.

Just go to either google/ebay and type in 5zigen Fireball...watch as all the results turn into stuff like "5zigen Fireball STYLE muffler"

Here are a few examples

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30057009/Images/mf-firews.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/10058059/Images/fireball.jpg

http://www.revotec-usa.com/product/muffler/cp-fb15ts.jpg

http://images.andale.com/f2/118/100/11257562/1057371921352_MU_RS341.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/20057980/Images/MU205.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30057037/Images/MUF-029.jpg

Keep in mind, ALL THESE ABOVE EVEN ADMIT TO BEING "FIREBALL STYLE MUFFLERS"

Here is the original, 5zigen Fireball...

http://store6.yimg.com/I/racinglab_1794_12204249


Bottom line--is knockoffs are EVERYWHERE...it's up to you to either not care and roll with them, or care and not support companies that are just trying to make a quick buck off of someone elses original designs.

So is this topic more for rims knock offs? or everything knock offs? Because I have never seen a 5zigen muffler knock off, or a scion appilague knock off.

I know that my exhaust system isn't a knock off of anything, do you think my systems aren't worth your time becuase I am not a name brand? :? Something to think about there.
And bill is right goldline isn't a knock off. I guess this topic is more for wheels. :?

not necessarily just on rims.... this topic is about real or fake/copied parts whether it be wheels, body kits, materials, lights.... like another example.... the carbon fiber that scion sells like the door applique thing or the carbon fiber dash kit or the carbon fiber fuel door that they sell. thats not real carbon fiber.... its fake, like the cell phone faces that are made to LOOK like carbon fiber. it is simulated carbon fiber...

im not knockin any brands... again, like i said.... i wanted to see what everyone else rocks and i knew it would make a GREAT debate on opinions.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MY OPINION ON ANY BRAND. IT IS A THREAD TO SEE EVERYONE ELSES OPINIONS ARE ON REAL AND/OR FAKE/COPIED PARTS.

now about your exhausts... now that you asked my opinion.... i think they look OK. my preference would be fully mandrel bent (where the diameter is the same even through the bends) piping in stainless and not crimp bent painted black. im not knockin your ____.... like i said, i think they look ok.... even better than ok. nice even. but id rather have an rsr or blitz rear section. AGAIN, THATS JUST MY OPINION THAT YOU ASKED FOR.

now, im sure everyone is going to ask... well what do you have on your car.

I DONT HAVE ____ DONE! but like i said, dont knock my ____ kuz i didnt knock anyone elses. the only things i have done are a REAL carbon fiber rear spoiler and TRD wheels in 18's. i am waiting til i have more money for real stuff.... like i said, i just cant settle for less than the best.

im sure someone is going to ask why i got the TRD's and not work or volks. i got the TRDs kuz i could finance them w/ the car. i plan on selling them to buy the wheels i want.

SO IF ANYONE WANTS MY 18 INCH TRD'S, PM ME WITH AN OFFER. PERFECT CONDITION W/ ONLY 500 MILES.

NOW, on with the poll ..... REAL DEAL OR KNOCK OFFS!!!

in some instances, knock off is the only readily option available. i know while researching for bB kits, most companies are no longer producing anymore items and are trying to clear out their remaining inventory. take damd for example and their kick ___ Lover Soul kit. its now impossible to find a new, complete LS kit. parts are no longer available and molds have been/or are in the process of being destroyed.

Speaking of rims, maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find it a little odd to roll around on wheels that are 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of our entire cars? Our Scions are cool vehicles, but I just dunno about that one .... seems to me if you're gonna spend that much on wheels, you'd buy a higher end car to put them on, at least I know that's what I would be doing.

That cherry red G35 coupe that zooms around in my dreams is rolling on a set of genuine Volks ... until I wake up and find it in my driveway, you can call me the knockoff king 'cause I happily slapped a set of R1 Racings on my xB. :D

Speaking of rims, maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find it a little odd to roll around on wheels that are 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of our entire cars? Our Scions are cool vehicles, but I just dunno about that one .... seems to me if you're gonna spend that much on wheels, you'd buy a higher end car to put them on, at least I know that's what I would be doing.

That cherry red G35 coupe that zooms around in my dreams is rolling on a set of genuine Volks ... until I wake up and find it in my driveway, you can call me the knockoff king 'cause I happily slapped a set of R1 Racings on my xB. :D


When is the last time you saw a scion with wheels that are 1/4 of the car? Show me, please.


How does that make sense...it's all relative isn't it?

So you are saying that a lower priced car (sub 20k let's say) could never be equipped with nice, high quality wheels, in your opinion. That makes no sense for me, as normal people don't mind paying for quality.

My take on it is that if i could afford a 40k car--most likely it would stay close to stock. However, if all i can afford is payments on a Scion--it will take the rest of my saved up money that I get from paychecks i accumulate every 2 weeks to slowly fix her up to how i like it--making it feel NOT like a 15k car, and more like a vehicle that is worth more.

Everyone who says ____ like you in my opinion is just looking for an easy excuse for buying knockoffs--and that's my opinion, take it/leave it--that's the way i feel.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2479699912&category=36475

looky! Famous body kit. i guess its knock off from Fabulous kit. they even uses the Fab photos.
http://www.speedzmotorsport.com/catalog/images/bodykit-scion-xb-fb.jpg

i'd rock it still, but including paint and body work(if needed), it'l cost $$$$ can't afford, i'm poor, i'll settle with what i have right now

So is this topic more for rims knock offs? or everything knock offs? Because I have never seen a 5zigen muffler knock off, or a scion appilague knock off.

I know that my exhaust system isn't a knock off of anything, do you think my systems aren't worth your time becuase I am not a name brand? :? Something to think about there.
And bill is right goldline isn't a knock off. I guess this topic is more for wheels. :?

not necessarily just on rims.... this topic is about real or fake/copied parts whether it be wheels, body kits, materials, lights.... like another example.... the carbon fiber that scion sells like the door applique thing or the carbon fiber dash kit or the carbon fiber fuel door that they sell. thats not real carbon fiber.... its fake, like the cell phone faces that are made to LOOK like carbon fiber. it is simulated carbon fiber...

im not knockin any brands... again, like i said.... i wanted to see what everyone else rocks and i knew it would make a GREAT debate on opinions.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT MY OPINION ON ANY BRAND. IT IS A THREAD TO SEE EVERYONE ELSES OPINIONS ARE ON REAL AND/OR FAKE/COPIED PARTS.

now about your exhausts... now that you asked my opinion.... i think they look OK. my preference would be fully mandrel bent (where the diameter is the same even through the bends) piping in stainless and not crimp bent painted black. im not knockin your ____.... like i said, i think they look ok.... even better than ok. nice even. but id rather have an rsr or blitz rear section. AGAIN, THATS JUST MY OPINION THAT YOU ASKED FOR.

now, im sure everyone is going to ask... well what do you have on your car.

I DONT HAVE ____ DONE! but like i said, dont knock my ____ kuz i didnt knock anyone elses.
NOW, on with the poll ..... REAL DEAL OR KNOCK OFFS!!!

You just knocked on the exhaust, how it is not mandral bent. But thats ok, I am not expecting you to understand that we have a 108 HP car and that mandral bent pipe doesn't do ____ if the power isn't there. Also that you have to be careful when you say your opinion, because someone wil reply. I still haven't replyed to the poll, because I feel it has no meaning. You want people to tell you if they buy thecheap stuff, or the good. If you were undecided about buying, than I would understand. But you just said i just cant settle for less than the best So, why post a poll? To see how cheap everyone else is? Think before you type. :evil:

Just to add my two pennies, I appologize for draggin this in the wrong direction... :oops:

In the case of wheels, he said that "Volks" or what ever are made to take a beatiing... Ok, fine. Yes their lighter... and have more detail, better looking etc . But I bought a set of Motegis for what 1 (one) stinking volk would have cost me! Yes Motegi is generally a' for looks' wheel... (although they do have a 17 that weighs 14lbs this year) But they're pretty sweet lookin... And in caase no body noticed, Scions are slow, What kind of a 'beatin' are you planning on giving your wheels? and WHY in the world would you expect to beat up $2k (prices are general...ok) worth of wheels.

Supras, Rx7s... fast cars.... They can USE the utility AND the looks of the high dolla wheels.
And if you want the LOOK of a big $$$ JDM wheel. Mo powa to ya...

I dunno, I know this thread was about a whole notha issue, but when you start using brand names as examples... your gonna get this kind of response.

BTW I voted real deal sex appeal... i'll buy the good stuff it's reasonable, or worth it.
I just had to step up to the box....

OK I feel better.... :D

Speaking of rims, maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find it a little odd to roll around on wheels that are 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of our entire cars? Our Scions are cool vehicles, but I just dunno about that one .... seems to me if you're gonna spend that much on wheels, you'd buy a higher end car to put them on, at least I know that's what I would be doing.

That cherry red G35 coupe that zooms around in my dreams is rolling on a set of genuine Volks ... until I wake up and find it in my driveway, you can call me the knockoff king 'cause I happily slapped a set of R1 Racings on my xB. :D

ask that question to all customizing enthusiasts. Boyd, Foose, 5Axis, etc. etc.. Its not the price you pay for the car, its the love you give it. Nothing is relative unless you are an enthusiast.

ask that question to all customizing enthusiasts. Boyd, Foose, 5Axis, etc. etc.. Its not the price you pay for the car, its the love you give it. Nothing is relative unless you are an enthusiast.

Denny,
Boyd never had a scion! :lol:

I dunno, I know this thread was about a whole notha issue, but when you start using brand names as examples... your gonna get this kind of response.


thank you. :) Still don't know what the thread is about.

Denny,
Boyd never had a scion!

I know, i was just generalizing puting more money in the car then its worth. But 5Axis does :D

I guess my point of view comes from this ... living here in NYC, I see all these cats driving around in hoopties -- 15 year old corollas or whatever with two tone paint jobs, banged up and rusted bodies, etc. -- but you look at the wheels and they are a $2k set of chromes. I'm like why? I'm fairly sure these guys aren't enthusiasts. I guess I'm not either I suppose because I'll gladly buy the lower priced option that looks just as good and use the money I save over buying the "real deal" to invest in a CD or take a trip to South America with the old lady. I imagine you have to factor priotities also into this real or fake argument.

I apolgize, was trying not affend anyone, mike, run what look goods to you and don't let anyone else tell you other wise, I get raszed all the time about about my 13 year old 13lb. high current Autotech amplifier, it still works and works good for that matter.

I am using www.precisionmuffler.com exhaust. because I don't street race, I don't drag race and the difference in mandrel bent over crimp bent, my engine will never see that rpm range to feel the difference. My choice, and I am pleased with it.

My alarms they say are a knock off of the avital,is it? I been installing this for 3 years now, Avital just got on board with inboard relays on the remote start side of the alarm last year, who is copying who?

Anyway Mike enjoy your car, enjoy your mods, and keep us peeps posted. I will try to always be positive. Keep on keeping on, Take care. Bill Turner dba ScionSpecialties

well said bill. Sorry that I got all worked up as well. keep your scion moving and see you on the boards 8)

well said bill. Sorry that I got all worked up as well. keep your scion moving and see you on the boards 8)

no need for apologies.... its all good. i just wanted to see what other people did/do. i know what i want and will do for my car. again, i just knew it would be a great debate.

no need for the negativity, and i apologize to everyone who thought that was my intentions.

we all drive the same car.... knockin on someone elses xB is jus like knockin my own.

OK...why we are on the subject of knock off products and quality...is the TRD sport muffler/exhaust a good deal at $255. Does it just at sound or does it add 5-6 hp as noted. Is it a good choice or a way to give more money to Toyota by slapping a TRD name on it. :?: :?:

Other than the TRD T3's I was thinking of this:
TSW Kyalami (~$140)
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/tswkya.hsm.ang.jpg

Or the Knock off Rage Coda (~$85.00):
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/product/wheels/rgecod.sm.ang.jpg

I know TSW is a good manufacturer. I've seen a few Solaras and Camrys rolling on the TSW Revo's. Never heard of Rage Wheels before. Kinda cheap too .

quick question before this thread continues..

ok people are ratio'ing rims to cars about how much its worth..

u can get volks for 2000 or so.

axis rims are about 2000 or so as well.

if u shop around, volks aren't that much more than axis..
plenty of people on this website have 18, 19 and even 20" rims.
those all are averaging near or at 2000 bucks or so.

well our cars are less than 20 grand.. and last time i checked
thats 10% of our car's value..

jdmxb sold his volks for like 1500 or 1600...

thats cheaper than some new 18" wheel combos ive seen on here.

people over exaggerate the prices on nicer wheels.. especially those who
want an excuse for their poor choice in rims.. funny how they say they can't
justify spending 1/3 or 1/4 of the value of their car..
they can't even figure out taht 1/3 or 1/4 is like 4 GRAND!

these are the same people who blows not 1 hundred, not even 2, but
maybe 300 bucks or more on neons and cathod lightings..

different people see things differently...
i personallly think cathode lighting all over the car is a waste of time
and money, but other people dont.. i see cheap quality rims
as a rolling death trap(IE rotas when they turn into ninja stars).

quality rims don't cost as much as people say... if they spent less
money on EVERYTHING and focused on one thing for their car at a
time.. maybe we wouldn't be debating over how jdm wheels
are 'over priced' and costing thousands and thousands...

i bought a set of 18x9 blitz type 03 rims in blitz silver for my 3000gt vr4 and spent almost 4k after tax. i bought my 3000 with a blown motor for 4k. i just wanted the rims because i like the way they look and no one else had blitz's around here. i've seen in person in the last 3 years 5 sets of these wheels including mine. only on 3 supra's and a skyline (they were only 17's too). i kinda wish i got a set of volks and saved about a grand.

it's just preference. 4k is more than double what i want to spend on modifying the xb just because it doesn't need all the high dollar mods. we've got a big responsibility to the scion community, we need to protray a better image of these cars, not in how much we spend but what we spend it on. i've heard so many people say "did u see the pimp my ride scion?" let's stay away from the huge wings, millions of stickers, massive mufflers, and that honda image we love to hate (well most of us). it doesn't matter how much you spend just keep it clean.

maybe im just tired and rambling, hell i don't have any money after buying my scion , insurance, and my mitsubishi money pit i've only been able to clear my headlights and shave my emblems and ive still got to save up for school in august.

ahh well, people will do only as much as their wallet/credit card/parents can afford.

ben

Straight APC, _____, I keeps it real!

JDM whistle tips & old-school mini-truck tv antenna on da back! Gets all the skeezas in the biker shorts saying "Damn, he's so fresh!"

On the real... silliness for a silly topic... but I had to chime in! :lol: Owners... do what you wanna do! Its all good! 8)

there's a few main differences between bootlegs vs real deal ____. a lot of people don't know cause they don't do their own work and just don't know any better.

example #1 - body kits
- a real deal c-west body kit will fit like a glove w not adjustments needed. ultra light weight due to autoclave process.
- a bootleg "type CW" will requires hours of body work to make it fit perfect w/ no gaps, waves, etc. also the bootleg will be heavier due to being hand layed.

example #2 - wheels
- a real deal volk gt-c will have a nice polished lip and require less weights during the mount and balance process.
- a bootleg "icon" wheel will be double weight, have a dull lip vs the volk, require more weights during the mount and balance process.

i can keep going on and on w/ examples on real deal ____ vs bootlegs but i think i made things pretty clear. the average person can barely tell the differnce cause they "look" identical. if you don't mind having a few flaws then a bootleg is fine. but when building a show car using real deal products saves you the headaches and down time. in the long run it almost equals out cause all the money you spend on labor making a bootleg perfect vs factory fitment. i'll admit i have a few bootleg products on my car cause i wanted to modify the items to the way i want them to look. it don't really make sense for me to buy a $400 grill vs $150 grill if i'm just gonna cut it up.

this is just my 2 cents and i hope this helps people in the future when selecting what they want on their car. i'm not here to bash on bootlegs or anyone it's just my opinion.

i bought a set of 18x9 blitz type 03 rims in blitz silver for my 3000gt vr4 and spent almost 4k after tax. i bought my 3000 with a blown motor for 4k. i just wanted the rims because i like the way they look and no one else had blitz's around here. i've seen in person in the last 3 years 5 sets of these wheels including mine. only on 3 supra's and a skyline (they were only 17's too). i kinda wish i got a set of volks and saved about a grand.

it's just preference. 4k is more than double what i want to spend on modifying the xb just because it doesn't need all the high dollar mods. we've got a big responsibility to the scion community, we need to protray a better image of these cars, not in how much we spend but what we spend it on. i've heard so many people say "did u see the pimp my ride scion?" let's stay away from the huge wings, millions of stickers, massive mufflers, and that honda image we love to hate (well most of us). it doesn't matter how much you spend just keep it clean.

maybe im just tired and rambling, hell i don't have any money after buying my scion , insurance, and my mitsubishi money pit i've only been able to clear my headlights and shave my emblems and ive still got to save up for school in august.

ahh well, people will do only as much as their wallet/credit card/parents can afford.

ben


This guy hit the nail on the head.

To be totally honest with everyone--people view the scions as mostly RICER cars--just look what people are doing to their xBs! And "on pimp my ride" doesn't exactly = the coolest thing to do to your car!

I see people left and right spending all sorts of money on interior lighting, but they scoff at the idea of people wanting HIDs for their cars.

I guess there is just going to have to be two camps, the overdone and the clean subtle crew.

Lately, i've seen more people going the clean route, which is a blessing. People need to understand, it's about QUALITY not QUANTITY of the modifications they do.

Wow, not to bring a dead thread back into existence, but when I first saw the Work Emotions, I fell in love. I mean, I could not think of any other wheel that looked better. So, I came upon this thread after searching for "Work Emotion".

Anyhow... my car is a daily driver. It gets me from home to work and back again... and that's about it. Am I a "ricer" if I decid to buy a set of Rota Grid wheels? They are knockoffs of Volk TE37s, but they still look pretty and if I'm never going to race, then why do I need forged wheels anyways? I'm pretty sure a lot of cars come with cast alloy wheels and they last a long time without cracking problems.

I have always tried to keep my car subtle and unnoticed. I think the best modifications are the ones where people look at it and think..."hrm, that one looks different, but I just can't figure out what it is."

If I had knockoffs, would I be suddenly considered a ricer? If I had real Volks, some people might think I was a ricer for putting on lightweight forged alloy wheels on a Scion in the first place. (Actually, the way I look at it, we don't have that much power, so we could really use all the help we can get.)

I don't really care if they're knockoffs or real, as long as:
1) They look good.
2) They aren't heavier than the stock steelies.
3) They aren't $800/wheel.

I'm just looking for a little bump in refinement and style. ;)

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.

I think people who just start out modding their cars tend to go for the 'cheaper' route. After all- it's 'close enough' for a lot less money... and it 'looks about the same' from 10 ft away. Who can tell the difference anyways?

I know because I was that way too. I've been modding cars for about 6 years now (mostly Miatas). I started out doing a lot of cheap mods, home jobs, hacking, and making do with Ebay garbage. It took me a long time to finally realize- cheap parts and amateurish mods always DEGRADE the whole experience of modding your car. If you respect your hobby and value the time you spend on it, you'll go with only top quality parts or factory parts. $1500 spent on Volk wheels- that's a lot of money SPENT. $300 spent on garbage Ebay body kit- that's a lot of money WASTED.

Just ask yourself this- if your girl wants a Prada handbag for xmas- do you go out and get her a fake Prada bag? Or if you give her a ring- do you give her a cubic zirconium ring? Of course not- if you value the relationship you're going to scrounge and save until you can get her the real thing.

I rock fake ____!!! unless I had sponsors paying for it :) only thing I put big cash into is stereo equipment and tires because you really cant skimp on that.. last I remember the volks did not go any faster than the motegis :lol: so whatever you get rock it if you like it. not all of us have ____load of cash to spend on mods like some of the rich guys who drive the xb as your daily driver and leave the m3 in the garage or your doctor/lawyer parents pay for all of your ____.

Speaking of rims, maybe it's just me, but does anyone else find it a little odd to roll around on wheels that are 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of our entire cars? Our Scions are cool vehicles, but I just dunno about that one .... seems to me if you're gonna spend that much on wheels, you'd buy a higher end car to put them on, at least I know that's what I would be doing.

That cherry red G35 coupe that zooms around in my dreams is rolling on a set of genuine Volks ... until I wake up and find it in my driveway, you can call me the knockoff king 'cause I happily slapped a set of R1 Racings on my xB. :D


:lol: I'm with you, man! I want my xB to look as great as it can, but I am not going to get crazy about it. The xB is a great ECONOMIC little ride. 8)

Does that mean only Toyota, Scion and TRD parts. Yeah, like I am going to pay $1800 for what they think are stylish wheels

I will purchase whatever I can afford as long as the quality is there. I really think that it is crazy to spend more on parts than what you paid for your box. I just purchased a used 04/PW with 5000 miles on it. It has a 12' Alpine Sub ,200 watt Rockford Fosgate Amp, 7.5 lcd Flip Down DVD player wireless headphones, and decent rims. The guy had spent over $3500.00 in parts (he gave me the recipts), not counting the options that he had dealer installed and I bought it for $16000.00 and he paid the shipping costs from St. Louis to Phoenix. This guy took a bath on it! So when I look to buy something for my box I will read the posts here, see what people like or dislike about the product and then make my own informed desision onn wether or not to purchase that item JDM TRD or not! I feel that there are alot of small companies out there that make a quality product for less money, and IMHO that is why we bought our boxes for, because it was a quality product and a reasonable price.
I guess if you have the money to spend on name brand parts then do it, but as for me I will shop for the best product at the best price.