as embarasing as this is to me, i blew up my xb yesterday on rt 29 in md goin home from work at like 3pm. all of a sudden the engine was makin some really mean clunking sounds and then it shut off...i ended up on the side of the road for 3 hours waiting for someone to pull over and let me use their phone or take me to a gas station, but that never happend ( oh yeah, cops suck...they just look at you, smile, and wave...so i wave back with the "lil bird" ). so i ended up walkin about 2 1/2 miles to some aisain supermarket/strip mall place and got to a pay phone. needless to say, i got my box towed to antwerpin toyota in clarkesville in hopes that my warrentee is gonna fix everything...oh, i have like 4900 miles on the car and i've had it for about a month and a half. so just wanted to let you guys know that the TCM box that you see on the beltway 5 in the morning is now out of commision.

:shock: :shock: HEY IT WAS YOU!

Man that transmission sounds bad. Other's too have had issues. More like a warranty issue at hand here. You are not alone from what I'm reading on these boards about the manual tranny.

I was on RT29 heading up towards Columbia when I spotted a TCM on the other side of RT29 with it's Hood popped open. I think that was around 4:45 when I passed by. I thought something was odd about the xB on the side of the road. You didnt have your emergency lights on did you? I was probably driving to fast to notice. Man sorry about your lost dude. Wished I could have helped out. I couldnt get around the mad fast traffic to the exit to St. John's lane and cross the bridge and turn to the other side of RT29.

WillC has had a bad experiance with Antwerpen in getting stuff to repair his Hot Lava. And other bad customer SERVICE issues. I think Russell Toyota/Scion right on Route 40 pass the Howard/Baltimore County line would probably help you out more. They even are part of Toyota's Rent a Car program. Tell them about that clunking noise and stuff.
:( :(

thanks for the heads up. and yeah, that was me...about that time i was prolly walkin' up towards civilization. and BTW, i saw 3 xbs...black, SP ED, and a TCM...nobody stopped...although they were all on the other side...but whatever.

Yeah that TCM was me.

yeah...i was honkin the horn, waving, yelling...but nobody stopped...i'm still ____ed at all the cops that passed me

:shock: All the Box's you saw were on the other side of 29? We must have thought that the xB was taking a break or something. Yeah, honking and waving wont work at 70MPHwhile listening to Creed on our Pioneer sound system with 160watts that THUMP :roll: <scion radio ad>

Well, when I see another box on the side next time I'll do what I can. Must have also been the fact that its an xB. It is a Toyota. You dont see Toyota's on side of the road that often.

Has Antwerpen given you the ETA when your xB will be available? Have they even started to check? If they have not updated you, call them every day. Call Scion Corp at 1-866-70-SCION. ANd report them.

yeah...i was honkin the horn, waving, yelling...but nobody stopped...i'm still ____ed at all the cops that passed me

Yeah the Howard County PD HQ is close by too. By Court House lane or some other name.

well, i didn't get it there till today around 6 or 7 so they said they'd look at it tomorrow. and believe me, i WILL be calling them...and yeah...the state police are like 2 exits up....and while it was rush-hour traffic...the people weren't goin all that fast...maybe 40-45 mph

:lol: :lol: I was that fast (likely 65MPH :roll: ) :D vrrom vroom. Remember, our xB's are happy at higher RPM = High speeds :D And I like to keep "Charlene" happy everyday. I'm still getting ~32MPG thought weird.

Sorry to hear about your car.
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Hope it's back on the road soon!

yeah, i've drivin an xb with the injen "race division" CAI and around 5 1/2 k rpm the thing roars.... :wink:

sorry to hear about this man...
service advisor tell u what was wrong??? :cry:

dont know anything yet....gotta wait till tomorrow

Cops do suck.. I remember a friend of mine breaking down on the interstate in our senior year of high school... Him and a friend that was with him start walkin towards Crothersville (where we all live obviously..) .. A cop pulls over, rolls down his window and says,'You guys have the white lumina broke down back there?' to which they reply yes... Then cop then says,'Well, there's a gas station about 3 miles south of here'.. Then drives away... They walked to the marathon and called a tow truck

Man that sucks. Sorry to hear that happen.

well, i called the dealership that i got my B towed to and they said that they don't do service work on the weekend, only oil changes...WTF?!?!

just wondering if you felt any simptoms before it died? mine is starting to kinda get clicky when put into gear. like you feel it kinda snap 3-4 time before it pops into gear, and 10-15mph rolls and pushing it into first at idle it will grind... i just dont want mine to dien :(

So this is a common thing to happen to the Manual tranny? And you only had a bit over 4k miles? Please do keep us updated with the entire situation so we'll know what exactly did happen to your xB. Sorry it had to happen to you.

symptoms .... well, to me, the trany seems almost "cheap" it doesn't really have a nice "clunk"ing sound when it goes into gear. when i make a hard shift, it almost feels like my shifter's gonna break in half...but then again, these cars weren't meant to be drivin hard...so i guess that's what i should expect...but i will mos. deff. keep everyone updated.

well, i called the dealership that i got my B towed to and they said that they don't do service work on the weekend, only oil changes...WTF?!?!

Antwerpen lied to you dude. They do more than Oil Changes on a Saturday. They do whatever that needs to be done as long as there is an appointment. They are probably backlogged and told you that. Although they still lied to you.

:evil:

i dont know man...the car was towed there yesterday, so they had all day today to at least look at it...but no...god i'm ____ed.

1-866-70-SCION

Wait to call them on Tuesday. That should give Antwerpen Monday to check what's wrong. Call Scion Corp if they dont give you an update by late Monday. Or call them before they close business on Monday.

Call Scion COrp and asked for possibly obtaining a Loaner Car for free. If this is warranty it should be free. Not sure if Antwerpen does loaners though. If they did they'll stick you with a 1998 Corolla with a broken radio. They did that to me too many times. Russell is part of TRAC. Or maybe a local Westminster Scion dealership. There is one up there right, owned by Koons?

Here's what happened to WillC while dealing with Antwerpen. Note, I'm not bagging Antwerpen.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12218&highlight=willc

All in all the takeaway here is Antwerpen Scion in Clarksville, MD has a poorly run service department and policies that kind of run against what Scion is trying to do for Toyota and that is to bring some youth into their radar.

...i'm gonna flip come monday and their's nothing done cause after reading that thread on wc's box and what happend with him and antwerpen...i wont sit around and wait to call scion corp cause if they've (scion) have already had complaints about antwerpen...things should work out just fine....

i'm really not feeling too good about this...

update: Antwerpen is going to warentee the engine. i blew the engine...melted the pistons. going to have to wait 2-4 weeks for my box to be done. not too sure about a rental though, we're still straightning that out.

off sub...did you know that toyota/scion can void your warentee if you change your own oil...they can also void it if you use a non toyota filter...hmmm...

if you're reading this, Dean Zanti of Antwerpen toyota, thank you for your help.

SWEET! Finally some improvement.

Well, not sure about Antwerpen but since it is warranty, you should get a free loaner car. HOwever, like I said before, You may get that red '96 Corolla with a messed up radio system. Call Scion COrp and have them loan you a car (better car) for free because it is a warranty. Westminster Scion may provide it too for free as long as Scion Corp is contacted first.

Just curious, did you have any mods on the engine? Intake? Exhaust? Wondering about the warranty situation with mods.

there were no modifications at all...not even an intake :roll:

they said that there were "signs" of an aftermarket intake, but no proof...

off sub...did you know that toyota/scion can void your warentee if you change your own oil...they can also void it if you use a non toyota filter...hmmm...

nope, legally they can't do that, don't let the dealer bs you like that. changing your own oil or modding your car does not void your warrenty unless it's proven that the modification caused the failure. so they can't say since your car is lowered thats why the headlights dont work, that kinda thing.

that's true, but i'm pretty sure that they can manipulte ____ like "because you have an intake, you race your car, and since you race your car, you blew the motor and it's your fault because you got the intake and raced it".....stupid bs like that is what i'm talkin about.

that's true, but i'm pretty sure that they can manipulte ____ like "because you have an intake, you race your car, and since you race your car, you blew the motor and it's your fault because you got the intake and raced it".....stupid bs like that is what i'm talkin about.

They better not, or I can promise that we will be all over that dealership, so keep us updated on this and they better take care of you. I guess they don't realize that we are watching them as well. 8)

I dated a girl that worked for Ford's warranty mediation service center. Indeed they can claim you voided your warranty if you change your oil and have no proof of it ever happening, and the problem would suggest oil changes as a cause. So long as you keep receipts of the oil/filter purchase, as well as a log of when you changed them, and you use approved oil and filter, then you are covered. Anything you do that's not standard user manual stuff can be suspect, at least in Ford's opinion. I don't expect Toyota would handle it any differently. In the end they must show how you caused the error, not make you the scapegoat by default. And normally you are given a free rental as a courtesy, but it's not a given that it will be free.

i change my own oil, using Valvoline 5W30 and a toyota filter.

i dont trust Jiffy Lube. i will never trust them..

the xA is so amazingly easy to change too.. did it 2 nights ago without even lifting the car or crawling underneath it. :D good stuff.

now, if you neglect your car, you deserve to have your warranty voided..

well...the engine is being shipped in peices because there are no "complete" engines....anyways, the _____ is this....they wont give me a rental. right now i'm takin a taxi to and from work and it's not exactlly cheap..round trip is about 70 miles...so i dont know what i'm gonna do..i mean i'm paying like $650 a month for insurance and payment on a car that i can't even drive! they said there's no way that they can give me a loaner at all...what should i do!??!

buy a 1K beater.. ____ the taxi man

1-866-70-SCION

I had warranty done with Antwerpen on my old Camry and I had a loaner, free. Call up the above number and asked, not demand, a loaner car free of charge. Demand nicely again if they dont :D And it better be a brand new engine too!

well, antwerpen said that because i'm not 21 i cant...even though i bought it with no co signer or nothing....just me....and i dont have 1k sittin around...i'm payin $650 a month for payment and insurance....and then i need to be able to live...so 1000 bucks is a lot of money right now...besides, what's the point in buyin a car when i'm gettin my box back in a month (hopefully)? if anybody knows anything i can do or say...let me know...please.

How did this happen? I recall you only had a bit over 4k miles. Did this happen when you were running it hard, or did it just happen on a normal drive?

that's true, but i'm pretty sure that they can manipulte ____ like "because you have an intake, you race your car, and since you race your car, you blew the motor and it's your fault because you got the intake and raced it".....stupid bs like that is what i'm talkin about.

I would think a full engine tear-down by a qualified mechanic would be required before the dealership could say something like that. It's not logical to make those assumptions; a CAI doens't mean the driver races the car. That's as illogical as saying that because you listen to rap music, you must be a gang member.

Also, some cars have computers that record (like a black box on an airplane) your vehicle's stats while driving. Perhaps that's what will be needed (if the xB doesn't have one) to defend ourselves against unscrupulous dealerships and THEIR mechanics.

no, i wasn't driving it hard. first off, i know that the car isn't meant to be and second, there was too much traffic for stupid ____ like that. it's one thing to drive your car hard, it's another to know when and when not too because it can def. be dangerous.

the black box thing...there was an article in some mag. i was reading a couple months ago about a black box being installed in all the new gms i believe which is supposed to monitor rpm, wheel speed, all kinds of temps, and ____ like that for insurance purposes when you get into accidents....

more news...still can't get rental..scion's willng to pay 30 a day for a rental somewhere else...but other places you have to be 21...so it looks like i might have to put the del sol back on the road with temp tags till i get it back....and another thing...i read up on the lemon law and it says that if a new car is in for warentee work for 30 or more days, i either get a refund on the car or a brand new one....really dont want to have to resort to that, but if i have to i will.....if that does happen, should i feel bad about it?

You shouldnt feel bad. Just get an automatic :D, like how the Japanese Toyota bB's were and are still made for Japan market.

Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter. I find the best way to stay loyal with the oil filter is to purchase the filter from your Toyota Parts Department and label on your receit the mileage you are changing it at. The filter should cost less then $5.00 for those who will change their own oil. Also, even with the Celicas if people downshift from say 4-2, that really hurts the vehicle and you will likely blow that bad boy. If this so happens to anyone with a stick do not tell them you downshifted and it no longer works, Just tell them " I dont know what the hell happened" and act stupid and 75% of the time Toyota will warranty it for the first time, 2nd time have fun.
Modifications with or tampering say adding an Alarm or cruise control through someone else besides Toyota. If you have an after market option and the vehicle will not start say from wiring. If your service department sees that is causing the problem then your out of luck.
But still This is a Scion you are suppose to trip it out, just be careful who you go to to have accessories installed and compair them to the prices that should be on the local dealers pricing lists for installation.

the one thing that really burns is me is this....toyota brought out the scion subcompany and aimed it to the younger kids. well, those "younger kids" being under 21, what happens when they need warentee work done? they cant get a loaner because they're not of age for insurance. i really think they need to work something out. i mean, somethin' ____ty off the used car lot is all i need. just somethin to get me to and from work. nothing fancy and special just a "beater" so to speak.

and one more thing...you can't repair a motor that's had a melt down...you have to replace it...if antwerpen "red flagged" my vin number so that if anything else happens to the engine, it wont be coverd under warentee. but if they're just gonna replace parts of a motor that was blown...there's bound to be problems...sounds like to me i'm gettin ____ed...sorry for the language, but i'm ____ed.

well, antwerpen said that because i'm not 21 i cant...even though i bought it with no co signer or nothing....just me....and i dont have 1k sittin around...i'm payin $650 a month for payment and insurance....and then i need to be able to live...so 1000 bucks is a lot of money right now...besides, what's the point in buyin a car when i'm gettin my box back in a month (hopefully)? if anybody knows anything i can do or say...let me know...please.

I got stuck in this situation when my shifter went out. Im 18 and they could not give me a rental or anything. Evidently in Md you can buy a car on your own under 25 but cannot rent a car if something is wrong. I paid for that extra warranty thing that covers part of the rental. I was ____ed when I found out they could not give me a car. But they took care of the problem quickly so it turned out I did not need a rental. But according to SEMA if something goes wrong and they say its because of an aftermarket part, whatever it may be, they HAVE to prove it. The days of people getting screwed out of a warranty because the dealership said the CAI you got put on cased the rear suspension to go out. Becides a friend of mine just blew the motor in is RSX-S because he missed 4th and droped it back into 2nd on a hard run. The ECU read 14,5xxrpms when it blew and its warranty.

well, i just got insurance put on my del sol so hopfully i can get tags for it either tomorrow or monday so i have a car...i'm gonna see if scion can't either pay for the insurance or at least help...still no word from antwerpen letting me know how the car's doing.

Sorry to hear about "Charlene" (I think it was).
I would say if you were going to pursue a claim against them (under Lemon Law), give them a little more time than 30 days. Maybe if you file a claim, they will at least reimburse the car payment for the time it was in there and you can keep your car.
Good luck with everything.

thanks for the heads up. and yeah, that was me...about that time i was prolly walkin' up towards civilization. and BTW, i saw 3 xbs...black, SP ED, and a TCM...nobody stopped...although they were all on the other side...but whatever.


Hmmmmm...I wonder if that Lava was me...I don't remember seein any boxes on the side of the road an I definately would have stopped and helped you out....cuz I believe in Karma :wink: ....yeah right now I don't have good things to say about Antwerpen...I'll tell you it has now been 70+ days since the accident happened...still waiting on the Lower Air dam to be fixed and have now complained to the State Attorney General....my suggestion would be stay away and have it towed to another dealer(355 Toyota has really helped me out but they are in Rockville)

~wC

Anybody else with a manual have any problems?
Any changes in the 05 models?

Sorry about your car bro.

think about it like this...it's been just about 2 weeks and the damn thing hasn't been touched at all....another 2 weeks and they'll prolly have little to nothing done...so more than likely i will make a claim for the lemon law and weither or not i'm gonna keep the car or get something else i still havn't decided...i mean, what's the point in having a brand new car with a flagged vin? if ANYTHING goes wrong, it wont be coverd under any warentee...and i dont really like the thought of that...so i'm hopin for the 30 days to roll around and i get a new box...

oh, and the t-shirt thing...if i were scion, i wouldn't ask to give them a shirt...i'd just up and send it to show that i somewhat cared...but apperently they dont really.

Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter. [quote]

That is a bunch of ____. As long as you can prove you changed your oil every 3k to 5k miles Toyota will not void your warranty. The dealership makes less money if they do work under warranty so they don't like to. If they tell you that you've voided your warranty having someone else change your oil...take your car somewhere else.

One time a Toyota salesman told me that if I was in an accident in a Camry that my motor would fall out the bottom of the car. They don't know what they are talking about.

Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter. I find the best way to stay loyal with the oil filter is to purchase the filter from your Toyota Parts Department and label on your receit the mileage you are changing it at. The filter should cost less then $5.00 for those who will change their own oil.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Magnuson%2DMoss+Warranty+Act)

MicroMachine04, Actually new cars are designed to submarine the engine out the bottom of the engine bay in the case of a severe frontal crash. They do this in hopes that it won't come through the glove box, I suppose.

Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter. I can only assume you are in sales because you don't seem to know ____ about Toyotas warranty policy. This is simply untrue. You can change your own oil and use any filter you desire. Of course I would recommend a Toyota filter because there is not really a better filter available for the car. Lets just assume for a moment that I wanted to void someones warranty. Just how would one go about doing that? I dont know and I have worked in service as a MDT for years. As for the downshifting, it's real easy to tell as the pressure plate will have bent connecting tabs. The tabs transfer power the majority of time in tension and an abrupt over-rev downshift places them in compression, bending them and warping the pressure plate. The typical over-rev bends all the exhaust valve stems into a neat S-shape. A piston shattering or a rod letting go is rare indeed. Your first over-rev is warrantiable, but the second one is on you. The reason you can't get a rental car is that the rental department at the dealership is not run by Toyota, it's a seperate entity as Toyota is not in the rental car business. Warranty allows paying for a rental car, but sadly most rental companies won't rent to drivers under 21. :cry:

Wicked,

Any updates?

~wC

update...2 weeks today my box has been out of commision...no parts...not even touched. i threatend Scion corp. with the MD state lemon law and havn't really heard from them much. hopefully they'll be pushing antwerpen to fix it.

well, got my del sol back on the road. it's not all that nice. i planned for it to be a strip car...so there's no dash, ac, stereo, carpet, pass. seat, nothing at all...makes the 60 mile round trip to and from work very unpleasent...not to mention the stage 3 clutch and 8lb flywheel...not being able to idle or shift "nicely" kinda sucks in traffic.

ive rented a car under 21, just payed the surcharge

i dont know if it matters, but what state you live in might have something to do with it because the YOUNGEST you can get a car in MD is 21...trust me ... we've tried.

update: phone conversation(s)

Scion Corp: "hi, mr wilkins?"
Me: "yeah"
SC: "you're xb is ready to be picked up"
Me: "really? cool. i'll swing by after work"
SC: "ok, sounds good"
Me: "ok, thank you again, bye"

15 mins later...

Antwerpen toyota: "hi, mr wilkins?"
Me: "yeah"
AT: "hi, this is Antwerpen Toyota"
Me: "yeah, scion corp just called me and let me know that i can come pick it up"
AT: "well, no you cant"
Me: "what do you mean...?"
AT: "its on the side of the road, broke down"
Me: "WHAT?!?!?"
AT: "the test driver was driving and complained of engine noise"
Me: "ok, so you're gonna tell me its still my fault? this is unbelievable"
AT: "well, we assymebled all the peices that we orderd and took it for a test drive and it died"
Me: "the new engine blew up?"
AT: "no, we just replaced the parts that were broke"
Me: "you didnt replace the engine?!?! it was blown!?!? WHAT THE ____ EVER!"
***click***

needless to say, my B broke down again...and it's their fault...i'm done, i'm soooo fed up. i'm gettin' a lawyer and gettin' all my money back. this is bull ____...i'm ____ed. tomorrow, i'm going down there and getting all my stuff out of the car and taking a camara incase their's ____ in my car that shouldn't be there. i love the xB, but this is bull ____...i'm done...
and on another note, i'm scopin' out the '04 SRT-4...IT COMES WITH A LIMITED SLIP!!!!...03 didnt have them....

Man, antwerpen was good a long time ago. Yeah, go lemon. And this time they broke it and you have proof that they did it. No matter what they say. They are the once that touched it last.

DO NOT BUY FROM Antwerpen DOdge... you said you want the SRT-4. Do not buy it from em. Their shady Dodge/Hyundai (same building :shock: ) dealership is attached to the Toyota STEALERSHIP. :lol:

Looks like you got the "lemon"!!!

I had a prob with my Subaru WRX. At least Toyota and the dealer is "dealing' with the car. My Subie died without getting any attention to it's prob.

Go after them. have them get you a new one. Even Toyota and Honda can have some defects in their products. You will still have better luck with Xb than a lot of cars out there.

yeah at this point one word of advice...get your car as far away from Antwerpen as possible...

~wC

Have an uncle that had a huge ram had the bedliner sprayed in and they forgot to bolt the bed back in Caused a ____ storm on th e495 when the 5th wheel 45 foot camper broke free. You can imagine what happened next!!!!

damn, sorry about your box.

anyway, i think you have a lemon.........if they address to the problem and fixed it but breaks again, i believe its a lemon.


read the MD lemon laws, call scion corp. up again and address them the situation.


let them know you are paying for insurance and car payments w/o a car to go around with.

ask for something, like extended warrenty if you acutally get your car back.

anyway, good luck
Jack

read the MD lemon laws, call scion corp. up again and address them the situation.


let them know you are paying for insurance and car payments w/o a car to go around with.

ask for something, like extended warrenty if you acutally get your car back. been there, done that...scion corp said they'd give me a t-shirt. oh, and i didnt buy my B at antwerpen...i bought it at R & H toyota in Owings Mills, they're alright i guess...and antwerpen...dont expect to see me after tomorrow...im goin to pick up my ____, take off the tags, and whatever else needs to be done...and no, i'm gonna buy my srt-4 from them...hell...i wouldn't send my worst enemy to them...

i ended up on the side of the road for 3 hours waiting for someone to pull over and let me use their phone or take me to a gas station, but that never happend ( oh yeah, cops suck...they just look at you, smile, and wave...so i wave back with the "lil bird" ). so i ended up walkin about 2 1/2 miles to some aisain supermarket/strip mall place and got to a pay phone.

This makes me laugh cuz you can walk a mile in under 15 mins, but you seem to think it's everyone else's fault they didn't stop.

:roll:

man if you take that car back you're an idiot. YOU should DEMAND a brand new xb or your money back SIMPLE. If they try anything funny just stop by the dealership each day and notify potential customers of the bs after they loose a couple of potential buyers they'll be more then eager to fix the problem. you shouldn't have had to wait that long. you should have got your insurance company to indemify you, and make the car their responsibility. eitherway you shouldn't of had to wait that long who was your insurance company?

Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter. I can only assume you are in sales because you don't seem to know ____ about Toyotas warranty policy. This is simply untrue. You can change your own oil and use any filter you desire. Of course I would recommend a Toyota filter because there is not really a better filter available for the car. Lets just assume for a moment that I wanted to void someones warranty. Just how would one go about doing that? I dont know and I have worked in service as a MDT for years. As for the downshifting, it's real easy to tell as the pressure plate will have bent connecting tabs. The tabs transfer power the majority of time in tension and an abrupt over-rev downshift places them in compression, bending them and warping the pressure plate. The typical over-rev bends all the exhaust valve stems into a neat S-shape. A piston shattering or a rod letting go is rare indeed. Your first over-rev is warrantiable, but the second one is on you. The reason you can't get a rental car is that the rental department at the dealership is not run by Toyota, it's a seperate entity as Toyota is not in the rental car business. Warranty allows paying for a rental car, but sadly most rental companies won't rent to drivers under 21. :cry:
And if the engine blows and they do not have a Toyota Filter and investagation finds that it was directly related to the oil filter, Toyota will cover it......Is that what you are saying.
As a master diagnostic technician you might be able to teach me something, and as for referring people to have there oil changed from other companies, that is stupid, unless you work at Speedy oil change where you would probablly get more work.
And yes I am in sales, and thanks for sharring the information on the over shift, but what I said is what you said but you detailed it a little better

ohh noooooo ____ing warranty!!!

i am so sorry to hear about your troubles, and am concerned about my manual xB as well. now that i know you have no mods, too, i am freaking out.

i am about to purchase the new injen cai (full, with optional short ram). but does this mean i void my warranty? is this anything to worry about? advice plzzzz

well, funny thing....my Injen CAI just came in...i forgot i ordered it like a month ago...so it's up for sale! oh...update...i'll be getting my box back wed. or thurs...so, no 30 day lemon law...but i do think im gonna end up selling it...if anybody knows anybody who's intrested in a man. TCM xb with 0 miles on it ( brand new engine...finally ) and lives in the MD, VA, PA area...PM me or drop me a line at Wicked04xb@yahoo.com

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Just for future reference, Your service department can void your warranty if you take it to like a speedy oil change and they use a non toyota oil filter.
I can only assume you are in sales because you don't seem to know ____ about Toyotas warranty policy. This is simply untrue. You can change your own oil and use any filter you desire. Of course I would recommend a Toyota filter because there is not really a better filter available for the car. Lets just assume for a moment that I wanted to void someones warranty. Just how would one go about doing that? I dont know and I have worked in service as a MDT for years. As for the downshifting, it's real easy to tell as the pressure plate will have bent connecting tabs. The tabs transfer power the majority of time in tension and an abrupt over-rev downshift places them in compression, bending them and warping the pressure plate. The typical over-rev bends all the exhaust valve stems into a neat S-shape. A piston shattering or a rod letting go is rare indeed. Your first over-rev is warrantiable, but the second one is on you. The reason you can't get a rental car is that the rental department at the dealership is not run by Toyota, it's a seperate entity as Toyota is not in the rental car business. Warranty allows paying for a rental car, but sadly most rental companies won't rent to drivers under 21.

And if the engine blows and they do not have a Toyota Filter and investagation finds that it was directly related to the oil filter, Toyota will cover it......Is that what you are saying.
As a master diagnostic technician you might be able to teach me something, and as for referring people to have there oil changed from other companies, that is stupid, unless you work at Speedy oil change where you would probablly get more work.
And yes I am in sales, and thanks for sharring the information on the over shift, but what I said is what you said but you detailed it a little better
If you are in sales you should probably stick to answering sales questions so as to not to spread too much disinformation. Who is it that does these "investigations" of aftermarket oil-filters? If the oil filter was missing or improperly tightened, then warranty would not cover it but the offending partys insurance would. Service departments don't thrive on denying coverage and ____ing customers off. Sure, genuine Toyota oil filters are the best and they are all that I would personlly use on my car, but if someone else wants to use an aftermarket filter on their car, I would never try to deny coverage because of that. Bottom line, in the real world, when in doubt- cover it. It is good public-relations policy and it pays to do so. Would going to court with a customer and possibly losing anyway (right or wrong) build your dealerships reputation? I would reccommend that if a person has a problem with their car, take it to the dealer and calmly explain the problem( i.e. dont start off being an ___) and I can assure you that if at all possible (you might be surprised) they will try to cover it. Hell, I have rebuilt motors of cars that were towed in with dial in times still on the windows. Pays the same as grandmas car. I seriously hope your dealership treats customers like your paycheck depends on it!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott

Moderators..... Here is my request to ban scionofneworleans on the grounds of being a complete waste of space on this planet .
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1 Jack Antwerpen Bad
2. R & H Scion (Used to work there) ask for Mike to work on it
3. Howard County PD dont ever do ____ except for hassle people. (Know from experience)
4. Im up in Ellicott City trying to find the other locals.

still no scion...4 more days till their 30 days is up....waiting...waiting....

well, i got back my xb...on the 29th day...go figure...well, everything seems to be working well, except that when i start the car, the maintnance lights flashes at me 6 times before it shuts off...oh, and on the roof and hood...there's rust! rust spots all over! i took better care of that car than i did myself...and it has rust on it! not to mention the dent, scratches, and scrapes all around the car...im ____ed...a 2 month old car with rust...i dont think so...scion corp, expect a call from me the second you open on monday...or tues cause of the holliday. anyways...i got for sale signs in the windows and ads in the news papers...srt-4...here i come.

Well im 19 and 355 toyota couldnt give me a rental car but they called the enterprise across the street and they gave me 1 plus a $10 a day extra for bein under 21.....i took my recept back 2 355 and my service guy sent a refund for the amount that i paid outta pocket

...lucky you...