View Full Version : Needle Color Change 2


Skeorx13
05-02-2006, 06:51 PM
A DIY for all of you that might want to change the color on you gauge needles. (Also for anyone that doesn't want to melt or solder anything.) It took maybe an hour or two tops. The longest time spent is painting and waiting for it to dry.

Part of this is taken from panasoanic's writeup for swaping out the gauge cluster led's (http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37747&highlight=) (which I recommended if you don't want your needles to look blended with the amber backlight. Red would probably look ok with the stock though. Got mine done by Chris from SE: Detroit courtesy of a SE: Chicago meet :bow:)

"1.) Remove the stock trim housing. First, move the steering wheel all the way down and move the turn indicator and headlight stalks all the way down." Then grab the black plastic housing around the gauges and just yank it out straight towards you. Don't worry, there are no clips to break off or anything. It just pops right out. Set this aside somewhere where it won't get damaged. (I just put mine in the passenger seat)
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/3048/tcgaugeremove01s9yp.th.jpg (http://img452.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcgaugeremove01s9yp.jpg) http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/55/tcgaugeremove02s8gp.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcgaugeremove02s8gp.jpg)

"2.) There is one Philips head screw on the top of the cluster, take a screwdriver and remove it. Place the screw somewhere where you won't lose it."
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2710/tcgaugeremove03s3sv.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcgaugeremove03s3sv.jpg)(a few photos are of after needle swap. I forgot to take photos of when I first pulled it out, but you get the idea.)

3.) To remove the gauge cluster you more or less do the same procedure as the black outer housing. Grab the cluster from the sides and behind it and pull straight out. I try to use a light jerking motion to pop it out, without bumping it into something on its way out. Your hands should bump the inside of the dash before the plastic of the cluster would actually hit anything. Tilt the bottom of the gauge cluster towards you and the top of the cluster inwards. This will make it easier for you to remove the cluster from the hole in the dash.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4286/tcgaugeremove06bs1ou.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcgaugeremove06bs1ou.jpg)(two photos superimposed. Couldn't hold the camera to take a photo with both hands on the cluster.)

"4.) Once out, remove the wire harness from the connection on the top left of the gauge." You have to push in a clip on the underside of the wire harness, then pull it out. If you are having trouble, just kind of wiggle it back and forth while holding the clip down."
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8977/scionledmeet02bs0gh.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scionledmeet02bs0gh.jpg)

"5.) Take the gauge cluster to a nice, clean work area."

6.) Remove the clear plastic housing of the cluster. There should be several clips all along the edges of the cluster. (about 8-10 of them I believe) Just push each one in sequence and gently pry it up and off. It doesn't really take much effort at all, so be careful not to pry too hard in one direction or you may risk cracking one of the clips.

7.) Try to remember where your needles stop at (piece of tape or light pencil mark or something). This will make it easier to align the stop point when you put your newly painted needles back in.

8.) Remove the gauge needles. I used two flathead screwdrivers. (you may want to wrap the handles in a cloth or keep your fingers underneath them as you pry up or you'll put a dent in the black plastic inner housing.) Slide the screwdrivers under the silver circular housing of the needles and try to pry it evenly upwards, taking care not to bend the pin that the housing is fastened to. Once you get enough upward pressure, they kind of pop off at you. Make sure you got good reflexes or they might end up across the room or broken from impact with the floor.

9.) Once you got all your needles off, set your cluster pieces aside somewhere that it won't get damaged or paint could splash onto it.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/613/tcneedlerepaint01bs0bb.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint01bs0bb.jpg)

10.) Removing the stock paint. This part is relatively easy. Just take some acetone or nailpolish remover and wet a cloth or cotton ball and rub the bottom of the needle and the paint comes right off. (Take care not to rub the silver part of the plastic housing, as the paint will come off this as well, but only after more pressure/rubbing than is necessary to remove the needle paint. You can see the color difference on my fuel gauge needle, as this is where I screwed up.) To get the stock paint that is inside the housing still, just dip the tip of a watercolor paintbrush and slide the badboy in there and wiggle it around a little. The paint should come off after a second or two. (you could probably put a piece of scotch tape on either side of the hole to prevent the acetone from rubbing off the silver paint on the housing. But I didn't bother, none came off there when I did it.)

11.) Check the needles with a flashlight or hold them up to the ceiling light to see if there are any smudges. Remove with acetone and a clean cloth if necessary.

12.) Cover the sides of the needle with tape to make it easier to paint the back. Try to get the tape as flush to the side as possible or it will cake onto the backing. (The paint will come off rather easily when it is real thick) Take your acrylic color of choice and use a fine tip painting brush. (I used a camelhair brush used normally for painting small figurines that I bought from a hobbie store.) Starting with the inside housing, just slather some paint inside on the underbelly of the acrylic part of the needle. From there just lightly paint the underside of the needle moving outwards toward the tip. Try to make it thin and as even as possible. Make sure there are no air bubbles as well.
http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/9739/tcneedlerepaint04bs3nd.th.jpg (http://img327.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint04bs3nd.jpg)

13.) Let the needles dry for a minute or two and then check with the light again. If it looks choppy or non-uniform, go back and paint another coat on lightly. Keep checking and painting back and forth until you feel it is satisfactory. It may not look like the light is coming through the paint enough, but trust me, it will be nice and bright once installed.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6814/tcneedlerepaint03bs27lv.th.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint03bs27lv.jpg)

14.) Once the paint is dry and you are happy with the look, pull off the tape and check the edges of the needle. If any paint is hanging off the sides you'll want to take a razor and lay it flat against the side of the needle and GENTLY slice the excess paint off. You gotta be real careful to actually slice and not just drag the blade across it or it'll pull chunks of the paint off (especially if its not totally dry) or you'll end up having to paint all over again. Then seal up the paint with some clear acrylic nail polish. Try to get the clearest kind you can. I picked the non-chip stuff. I figured it would hold up the best in varying temperatures as I live in chicago and we have like 4 seasons all in one day. (Plus I was in the nail polish/makeup isle and I was starting to get an anxiety attack with all the people around lookin' at me weird so I grabbed whatever was closest. :nails:) I put on two coats of that and wiped off any excess that got on the sides of the needles.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9513/tcneedlerepaint17bs3uz.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint17bs3uz.jpg) http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6821/tcneedlerepaint18bs6xd.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint18bs6xd.jpg)

15.) After 5-10 minutes, the polish should be dry and you can start putting the needles back in. Line up the needle pin with the housing and push down slightly, but not all the way in. Turn the needle counter-clockwise (for the gas gauge, turn the needle clockwise) until you feel it snag. That's the stop point. Pull the needle housing up and place it at your marking on the gauge to align the needle properly. Once it's all lined up push down the housing until its almost flush with the gauge. (Don't push too hard or the housing will be too close to the face of the gauge and will end up rubbing against it and the needle won't respond as quickly as usual. Also try to push the housing in as straight as possible or the housing will spiral around the pin and you'll not be perfectly on the stop point.)

16.) Repeat with all the other needles.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1475/tcneedlerepaint09bs3vd.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint09bs3vd.jpg)

17.) Clean off your plastic cover while you have it exposed and push it back in on all the clips. (Make sure you double-check all the clips and push all of them together hard enough, I had to squeeze harder on one in order to get it to shut properly.)
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2307/tcneedlerepaint20s3sh.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint20s3sh.jpg)

18.) Tilt the top of the gauge cluster forward to make it easier to get into the abcess and clip in the wire harness.

19.) Push the gauge cluster into the hole in the dash and line up the spot where the phillips head screw goes it and then gently lift the bottom of the cluster over the lip of the abcess so you can get it in all the way. Just line up the holes to the phillips screw spot and push in on the four corners of the gauge cluster. You should here them all click into place. Install your screw, being careful not to drop it. (I recommend using a magnetic tipped screwdriver cuz my dumbass dropped the screw into the bottomless void that is the tC's dash. :doh:)

20.) Place the black plastic outer cover on the steering wheel and push the little rubber piece back a little to tuck under the dash between the steering column. It might be a little of a pain, but try to weasel the top of the piece into the hole first and then slide the bottom in afterwards. Then push it in nice and straight and it should pop right into place.

21.) Fire up your tC and bask in the glow of your new needles.
Final product after LED & needle color swap:
http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/1989/tcneedlerepaint24s2rx.th.jpg (http://img283.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tcneedlerepaint24s2rx.jpg)

Just a little bit of proof that I did it myself :P
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6422/tcneedlerepaint05bs4ui.jpg

The LED man with the master plan (in Mark's garage): :clap:
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/1420/scionledmeet24bs9tc.th.jpg (http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scionledmeet24bs9tc.jpg)

HighlanderMac
05-02-2006, 09:03 PM
Nice man... looks good...

Can't wait to see them in action

Garage1217
05-03-2006, 10:55 PM
Looks killer man! I wanna do the same in red... with everything else in white. Will give it a try!

mandos
05-03-2006, 11:26 PM
Nice job not messing up the needle housing on most of 'em.

Honestly, it's why I did the melt them out...I'm too inept to get the orange at the very base and not acetone it too :)

YAY

Tecrun19
05-04-2006, 01:43 AM
So you only need to paint the top and bottom ? Why dont you need to do paint the sides ? Now i just need to see if blue looks good with the stock backround

mandos
05-04-2006, 03:23 AM
All you actually need to paint is the bottom.

No top, no sides.

Skeorx13
05-04-2006, 05:43 AM
yeah, you don't paint anything but the bottom. the needle is made of acrylic which transmits light like fiber optics. The LED hits the needle under the housing and the light actually bounces off the top of the paint that's on the bottom of the needle and reflects it upwards through the clear plastic towards your eye.

Tecrun19
05-05-2006, 04:22 AM
Ok, also if you paint the needles a different color say blue but leave the gauges stock witht the amber what will happen ?

Skeorx13
05-05-2006, 02:51 PM
Haven't tried that out, but when I had amber needles with green lights, the color went kinda yellowish-green. If you get blue lights but have stock needles, I believe it still looks amber but possibly a little darker. Blue needles with amber light might turn up blueish, but I have a feeling it'd turn up kinda brownish. I could be wrong though. You could probably try it with one of the needles to see. Or try getting a piece of clear acrylic and paiting it blue like the needle and holding an amber light to the side to test it out.

beanie38
05-11-2006, 05:45 AM
Great DIY! I'm going to try it as soon as I get my leds for my HU. I was thinking white for the needles, but if anyone has any suggestions with what color my needles should be with a super blue led interior holla back. Also, keep in mind that my model HU has the light changing lcd screen. Thanks :P

David616
05-20-2006, 02:45 PM
I need some HELP!

I am having a dilemma with installing the needles back into place. I Put the needles back in at its marked places and when I start the car they move...but once I turn it (temp needle, mph needle, rpm needle) off the needles start to tick counter-clockwise until it hits the bottom of the gauge cluster and it can go no more. I tried to follow step number 15 and it does not work for me. I may be comprehending it wrong or something.


Please let me know what I did wrong.




-David

beanie38
05-20-2006, 05:52 PM
More then likely your stopper is set too low. Just rotate the needles either way, it doesn't matter, until you can feel the stopper stop at the point you marked on the gauge cluster. Keep in mind you can't see the stopper, and make sure you don't push too hard like step 15 states.

O5_TRD_tC
05-24-2006, 08:34 PM
is it possible to have a blue background with white needles? or will the white just blend into blue? =/

mandos
05-24-2006, 08:45 PM
is it possible to have a blue background with white needles? or will the white just blend into blue? =/

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/personal/11678_7.jpg

Like that?

O5_TRD_tC
05-25-2006, 02:15 AM
drool! thats very nice, whats the trick? ;)

SquallLHeart
05-25-2006, 03:29 AM
hmm.. white paint..

scioncraze05
05-25-2006, 03:38 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/2k1tib/Car052.jpg

scioncraze05
05-25-2006, 03:39 AM
I used a white Sharpie Paint marker on my needles.

O5_TRD_tC
05-25-2006, 10:57 PM
hmm.. white paint..

looks like u also have to the inner LED to be white also!

NoLimitzBuilt
05-26-2006, 04:53 AM
I had a issue with blue LEDs and red needles. the needles looked purple. so I changed it to blue. I will take a pic and show the blue and blue. looks good though.

NoLimitzBuilt
05-26-2006, 04:35 PM
Here is the pics.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedle.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedleon.jpg
sorry the pics are from this morning.

tom0613
05-26-2006, 11:16 PM
i cant do this my self any 1 no were i could get this done and how much

tom0613
05-26-2006, 11:16 PM
i cant do this my self any 1 no were i could get this done and how much

jjos1
05-27-2006, 12:37 AM
Here is the pics.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedle.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedleon.jpg
sorry the pics are from this morning.
Wow looks good, I wanted to do blue needles with a red led think it would be purple ?

Blue_Estel
06-21-2006, 04:49 PM
Got mine done by Chris from SE: Detroit courtesy of a SE: Chicago meet :bow:)

The LED man with the master plan (in Mark's garage): :clap:
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/1420/scionledmeet24bs9tc.th.jpg (http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scionledmeet24bs9tc.jpg)

Thanks for the shout out! Glad to see it worked out nicely... :clap: Very good write up.

hikaruhoshi
06-21-2006, 05:13 PM
hey, is anyone from mass. can do this for me and a friend? not just the needles, but also the leds and stuff. PM me or seomthing... im dying to do this, but im scared as hell to do it on my own O_O

team7kRedline
06-25-2006, 07:13 AM
how did u do the leds? did u paint those also? can u show us how to do the gauges?

SquallLHeart
06-25-2006, 08:48 AM
^^ he did it like everyone else... doing it yourself:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=37747

or having someone else do it. (for a small fee.. :lalala:)

Xenon_tC
06-25-2006, 08:53 AM
Here is the pics.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedle.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/NCScionTC/sciongaugeblueneedleon.jpg
sorry the pics are from this morning.

are the guages out of alignment...or was that pic taken while you were still reinstalling them?

SquallLHeart
06-25-2006, 10:54 AM
hmm.. the speedo and tach look fine,

but the gas and temp are supposed to settle down lower than where they are in the picture.

not really a big deal for those two gauges being slightly off

Streeter
10-06-2006, 06:19 PM
:: casts zombie spell ::

Nice DIY.

Fsu1dolfan
10-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Has anyone done red needles on a blue background???
I am thinking of changing my amber needles but i dont want to do white....

engifineer
10-08-2006, 06:09 PM
If you take the needle completely apart when you do it you will get rid of those orange spots right where the needle meets the housing. I take the back of the needle off (you have to clip the plastic melts on the back), remove the clear needle from its housing, strip the paint and repaint. That way they are all the same color. A little more work, but comes out nice.

engifineer
10-08-2006, 06:11 PM
I dont have good pics of the whole thing, but here are a couple of my gauges. They are red on blue

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/engifineer/188-8886_IMG.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/engifineer/188-8887_IMG.jpg

They arent the best of pics, the lights of the guages make the needles look dimmer due to the light settings on the camera

Fsu1dolfan
10-09-2006, 02:26 PM
engifineer....thanks for the pics....i just wanted to make sure that it didnt come out purple like someone mentioned....red it is and red it shall be!!! Looks nice!!

Skeorx13
10-09-2006, 03:17 PM
You shouldn't need to take the whole needle apart. I took all the paint off the backing with a rag. The inner part I got off with the acetone and a paintbrush.

Hachiroku
10-10-2006, 01:59 AM
hey, is anyone from mass. can do this for me and a friend? not just the needles, but also the leds and stuff. PM me or seomthing... im dying to do this, but im scared as hell to do it on my own O_O


Where are you at? I'm in Greenfield. I haven't had the car long enough to rip it open, but I want to do the red needles on blue to mine.
I was an electronics tech for 18 years, so soldering a few LEDs shouldn't be TOO hard! I plan on 'experimenting' with mine first, though...

mwuf15
11-12-2006, 01:36 AM
how u guys get the red needles with the blue background? what paint did u use and how u get it to look so red?

AtC
11-12-2006, 11:13 PM
while u guys were doing the whole led swap for the gauges,
do u remember how many leds were needed to complete the conversion?
and u have to solder the leds? cant u juss put them on without soldering anything?

mwuf15
11-13-2006, 02:43 AM
umm, all leds are soldered in. so u have to desolder and then solder them back in.

ryukenden
11-13-2006, 02:56 AM
I dont have good pics of the whole thing, but here are a couple of my gauges. They are red on blue

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/engifineer/188-8886_IMG.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/engifineer/188-8887_IMG.jpg

They arent the best of pics, the lights of the guages make the needles look dimmer due to the light settings on the camera


wow so clean!

Superkid2785
03-29-2007, 05:31 AM
hey i wanted to do blue gaugues with white needles, so i just got to paint the bottom of the needles white right? but wat should i use to paint it white? i read above someone used a sharpie, should i do that or paint it with white? what would u think is the better choice

engifineer
03-29-2007, 05:57 AM
If you use blue leds, the needles will actually glow blue if they are painted white. In that case you would place separate leds behind each needle and block out the blue light from that area.

The other alternative is to use all white leds and blue color filter over the portions of the gauge faces that you want blue.

I used the first method I mentioned to do a red on blue scheme on mine. So they are not only painted red but are now backlit red as well.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/engifineer/Blue_Red_Daves_0198.jpg

there are pics of my whole red/blue dash setup in my profile

Superkid2785
03-29-2007, 01:04 PM
thanks engifineer

michaelmayhem
03-29-2007, 05:54 PM
If you use blue leds, the needles will actually glow blue if they are painted white. In that case you would place separate leds behind each needle and block out the blue light from that area.

The other alternative is to use all white leds and blue color filter over the portions of the gauge faces that you want blue.

I used the first method I mentioned to do a red on blue scheme on mine. So they are not only painted red but are now backlit red as well.


there are pics of my whole red/blue dash setup in my profile

is the only way to get the red needles to not look dull is to put a red led behind them?
and if it is the only way for them to look really red couldnt you just paint the needles white and have a red led behind them? i have the needles painted red with a white led under them and them look so dull and it bothere the heck out of me, but in the day time when the sun hits them they look really bright and vibrant?

engifineer
03-29-2007, 07:20 PM
You could probably go without painting them red if you had red leds behind them. I already had mine painted before I did the extra leds.

I mixed just a tad bit of Apple Barrel Neon red paint in with the regular red when I painted mine. They looked pretty good that way. But a million times better with the extra backlighting. I am supposed to be doing a couple of sets with different backlighting soon, so I can post them and show the differences.

ElDiablo17
03-29-2007, 07:25 PM
You could probably go without painting them red if you had red leds behind them. I already had mine painted before I did the extra leds.

I mixed just a tad bit of Apple Barrel Neon red paint in with the regular red when I painted mine. They looked pretty good that way. But a million times better with the extra backlighting. I am supposed to be doing a couple of sets with different backlighting soon, so I can post them and show the differences.

So this is not a good idea for people who doing two tone color, correct? I am bad in painting my needles, done everything which I got two tone color white/blue and reverse LCD but just the needles I'm bad with. I got neon blue paint but I want my needles bright blue as hell haha, something like that ya know.

michaelmayhem
03-29-2007, 07:45 PM
I mixed just a tad bit of Apple Barrel Neon red paint in with the regular red when I painted mine.

where did you get the apple red neon paint and is it an acrylic?

engifineer
03-29-2007, 08:07 PM
Apple Barrel is the brand name. It is an acrylic paint sold in the Wally World crafts section or at Micheals arts and craft supply. I used just a tad of the neon red mixed with the regular red. Too much and it comes out looking pink.

Jamie
01-02-2008, 10:20 AM
Yo guys,

I just re-soldered the leds from amber to blue. now I'm thinkin I wanna have my needles glow green. should I just paint the underside of my needles green? and remove the stock orange? What would be the best way to do this?

Thanks!

Jamie

rcf22
06-21-2008, 11:41 PM
Hi,

I painted my needles blue using the same brand of acrylic paint that was shown in this guide, but have not changed the LED's behind it. Instead of glowing any color, the needle isn't letting any light through it looks like. Before I put them back in though, I held them up to light sources and they showed through fine. Obviously these are much brighter than the LEDs in the dash, but does this mean I did something wrong?

ScionJim23
06-22-2008, 08:49 PM
only paint the bottom part of the needle, and remove the old paint.

rcf22
06-22-2008, 09:26 PM
I did.

engifineer
06-22-2008, 10:45 PM
You didnt paint the clear part that sticks through the bottom of the black base did you? That is how the light shines up into the needle.

But with stock amber lighting and blue paint, you probably wont have the best results color wise either way.

joeyc110892
02-19-2010, 07:57 PM
hey i need some help.....i followed everything you said and i put the needles back in but they do not glow. i tryed to put a thinner coat and they still dont glow...i have no clue what im doing wrong

i even put them in with no paint and they still dont glow i dont get it

O5_TRD_tC
02-19-2010, 08:31 PM
you have picture of what you did?

SquallLHeart
02-19-2010, 10:46 PM
hey i need some help.....i followed everything you said and i put the needles back in but they do not glow. i tryed to put a thinner coat and they still dont glow...i have no clue what im doing wrong

i even put them in with no paint and they still dont glow i dont get it

You didnt paint the clear part that sticks through the bottom of the black base did you? That is how the light shines up into the needle.

But with stock amber lighting and blue paint, you probably wont have the best results color wise either way.
^ read this

also... without paint, there isn't anything the light is going to glow up against. are the gauge lights still working?

Garage1217
02-19-2010, 11:04 PM
^^ what those led guys said :) And yeah, with the stock dim amber colored leds, the needle will not show up worth a darn.