Hey guys i just put a deposit on the scion TC recently with the supercharger here in NYC.. put down 500$ and the price with supercharger after tax title license + new plates( only mod i put in was the supercharger) was 21,650 ... 21,150 after the deposit.. supercharger was 3299$ after install and they said should give 55 hp... hope this helps anyone who was wondering about price on the supercharger

so the tax is $1886?

and what's the price of the supercharger without installation?

damn 3299?

if s/c really gives out 55 HPs, then 3299 after installation is not that bad.... but under $3000 would be better

tax was like 1700$ ... supercharger before install was 2899$

When is supercharger expected to be available?

Roy

umm a 215hp coupe with as many features as the TC comes with stock is NOT BAD AT ALL for 21k

hell the mazda 3 only comes with 160 and nicely equipped its 20k
and it still beats the RSX also in speed prolly and its cheaper

daym $21k.. not bad. a rsx-s is like $23k. tC with about 15 more hp and tons of torque... kick ___ car hehe

Where did your dealer get pricing info from? Is it TRD?

Ouch... 55 hp is more like it... but that is not "suprisingly affordable". I don't think Scions gonna be seeing too many sales of the s/c.

Ouch... 55 hp is more like it... but that is not "suprisingly affordable". I don't think Scions gonna be seeing too many sales of the s/c.

Have you looked at the prices of forced induction lately?? most parts only kits are at least 3k. Your getting the whole kit, installation and a WARRANTY for that price. It may not be cheap, but it's still a good price. (if its for real)

As a salesman at a Dealership (Chevrolet,) let me warn you that most salesmen and sales managers are known to give BS information in order to make a sale. (For what it's worth - I'm not one like that, but whatevah.) Now 55hp for a Supercharger on a 4-cylinder doesn't sound too bad, but I woudn't go around just yet saying, "Oh yeah the supercharger adds 55 horsepower - I know for a fact!"

The point is that's over the estimation most journalists were giving... 3K + for 50 hp? that's not suprisingly affordable. That's just disappointing.

In regards to Mr. Chevy's point of view, Scion reps can't sell an item unless it's in the menu pricing ALL Scion dealerships share. So if they sold a supercharger @ $2899, it's pretty much a good shot they've got the pricing from Scion. Now the AVAILABILITY is the big question. The talk has been that no set time has been given for the TRD superchargers release yet.

Ouch... 55 hp is more like it... but that is not "suprisingly affordable". I don't think Scions gonna be seeing too many sales of the s/c.

Have you looked at the prices of forced induction lately?? most parts only kits are at least 3k. Your getting the whole kit, installation and a WARRANTY for that price. It may not be cheap, but it's still a good price. (if its for real)


The Vortech based kit on my VW was 3600 parts only. Granted it does make more power.



Adrian

In regards to Mr. Chevy's point of view, Scion reps can't sell an item unless it's in the menu pricing ALL Scion dealerships share. So if they sold a supercharger @ $2899, it's pretty much a good shot they've got the pricing from Scion. Now the AVAILABILITY is the big question. The talk has been that no set time has been given for the TRD superchargers release yet.

Cool.... I wasn't saying anything about the price.

The point is that's over the estimation most journalists were giving... 3K + for 50 hp? that's not suprisingly affordable. That's just disappointing.

Not really. Outside of Nitrous, that's a fairly good deal. I find that lots of people have an exaggerated perception of horsepower.

Unfortunatly it's common for people to say their Civic Si has 190hp after they added a CAI, cat-back exhaust, and a header because they added up the HP figures on the outside of the product's boxes and that's what it comes out to.

The point is that's over the estimation most journalists were giving... 3K + for 50 hp? that's not suprisingly affordable. That's just disappointing.

Not really. Outside of Nitrous, that's a fairly good deal. I find that lots of people have an exaggerated perception of horsepower.

Unfortunatly it's common for people to say their Civic Si has 190hp after they added a CAI, cat-back exhaust, and a header because they added up the HP figures on the outside of the product's boxes and that's what it comes out to.


LOL...very true...To parahprase Shakespeare ...get thy vehicle to a dyno, before thou speakest ____e.... :)

The thing is, hp to the tarmac all depends on where you're at when you're running the car/on the dyno.....cold dense air is best, so 60 degree temp in Colorado doesn't hold a candle to 60 degree air in Miami. The elevation kills ya.


..and actually that ain't a bad price....IF it truly is 55 hp...to the WHEELS. And what are the torque increases? First things first, we need whp numbers on the stock engine....not to mention an actual TEST DRIVE!
Hell, if this thing ends up at 190 whp, and roughly the same in torque, run, don't walk, damnit.

hey 3k for something that you won't have to worry about, dealer installed with a warrenty? No hooking up an intercooler or having to put on a piggyback ECU yourself...

I'd say it may be worth it.

depends on the person....

Of course if you are really concerned about money go to your local junkyard, rip out a turbo from an 80's mustatang or thunderbird and then buy all the other stuff you may need & hook the sucker up to your TC, no innercooler, no boost controler, just 4 PSI and it'll give you a good lil HP boost.

Just make sure you know what you are doing, because if you don't, then just buy the supercharger from TRD :P

tax was like 1700$ ... supercharger before install was 2899$
58% tax! Let me know where you live so I never move there.

My buddy bought two TRD superchargers for the 4.7 liter V8 for something like $2,000 a piece. $2,900 is a lot for a supercharger when it's put on a $16,000 car. But that's just me. I was under the impression the idea was Scion = cheap.

Oh, and don't forget the TRD clutch to go with your new power. That's probably $800+. And an LSD if you want to use that power in turns (I'd guess $1,000+). Now your "$16,000" car is firmly in the 20's, and it's no longer competeing with econo-boxes, it's playing with some heavy hitters. 200 horspower isn't going to impress for that amount of money.

tax was like 1700$ ... supercharger before install was 2899$
58% tax! Let me know where you live so I never move there.

i think he was talking about the whole car plus s/c installed.

what's weird is that they have no part number for the s/c even when the tC is released. i'm wondering how can they add that to the paperwork especially if you have to wait 3 to 4 months to get the install. i would think it would be possible if you buy the car out right as opposed to financing or leasing.

just make sure you have it documented that you bought the TRD S/C when it comes time to get the car.

tax was like 1700$ ... supercharger before install was 2899$
58% tax! Let me know where you live so I never move there.

i think he was talking about the whole car plus s/c installed.

Around here (Washington State) the S/C would cost you $270 in taxes. Looks like I may have to pay a vist to my bro in Portland, OR if I'm going this route.

My dealer installs NOS kits for about a grand... much more affordable than 3K for 55 HP...

I won't hate all you fellas out there that are getting it though.. go for it.

tax was like 1700$ ... supercharger before install was 2899$
58% tax! Let me know where you live so I never move there.

1700$ tax on the total of the car.. the car was about $16.5 + 2899 + plates etc

yayy for oregon and no sales tax. boo to the fact that the state can't afford to fix the roads that i cruise on. :roll:

I was under the impression the idea was Scion = cheap.

You're right.

Scion = cheap
but
TRD = not cheap
so in review:
TRD != Scion

My dealer installs NOS kits for about a grand... much more affordable than 3K for 55 HP...

I won't hate all you fellas out there that are getting it though.. go for it.

Bah, that's cheating :wink: Anyhow.. Nitrous (not "nawz") is only good for drag racing. Some of us want fast-ish cars all the time, for highway and around town driving.

ok as a dealer i know that the price hasn't been released as far as i know (and i'm pretty sure i know), BUT that price sounds about right. i wouldn't plan on getting that on until late this year though. all our sources @ TRD say late fall/winter.

just make sure when you pick up the car you get a "we owe".

and btw pure pricing is not all the dealers having the same prices. i can choose to sell it for whatever i want as long as it's on the website as such. i'm sure a couple dealer's have gotten into price wars on the accessories already. $3299 somewhere could be $2999 somewhere else.

Just to second that info, there are no firm specs or pricing out yet on the supercharger. We've been told Nov., but that's not set in stone. You won't know if that's a good price until the MSRP comes out.

Since when is 3K for a forced induction system + install + warranty anything but reasonable? Its certainly not cheap, but its not something to complaing about. I see a $3000 factory S/C as a great opportunity to get lots of power on the cheap. An exhaust can cost 500 and only net 5-10 hp. Cold air intakes can cost 50 and only make a few horsies. Stop ripping on Scion for offering this stuff. Keep in mind, they are selling the tc with a 163hp motor for less than a lot of 130hp cars.

I agree that $3000 is a chunk of change, but is a steal when compared with good, reliable aftermarket setups (I'm not talk sketchy ebay sales or anything).

-Jeff

personally im not much fan of the supercharger. yes it provides linear power. but i perfer a turbo setup. so i can stay out of boost and in vac. (use less gas :lol: ) and the TRD S/C has no aftercooler/intercooler?? i didnt see it in the pix that was posted. if it doesnt come with a aftercooler, it would explain the HP numbers. the price of the S/C isn't all that bad. considering it is warrantied. if the motor blows, its covered. if TRD comes out with a T3/T4 turbo setup.. sign me up

1000 bucks will not bring your B16a1 or B16a2 motor into 200hp range. B16a1= compression roughly 10.2:1 and B16a2 10.4:1 if i remember correctly. yes, the B16 can generate 200HP, but not for 1000 bucks it can't, unless you get all the parts cheap and install it yourself. just. my .02 dont mean put you down or anything. just trying to set things straight :D

does anyone know the torque gain from the supercharger ? :?:

i would really like to see dyno charts if they have them available. if anyone get them anytime soon. it would be much appreciated :wink:

not officially out yet I don't believe. probably gonna be in the 30s/40s at the wheel tho i would assume

it would be nice if the torque was matched with the hp.

personally im not much fan of the supercharger. yes it provides linear power. but i perfer a turbo setup. so i can stay out of boost and in vac. (use less gas :lol: ) and the TRD S/C has no aftercooler/intercooler?? i didnt see it in the pix that was posted. if it doesnt come with a aftercooler, it would explain the HP numbers. the price of the S/C isn't all that bad. considering it is warrantied. if the motor blows, its covered. if TRD comes out with a T3/T4 turbo setup.. sign me up

One thing to remember. Merely having a supercharger or turbo does not lower your gas mileage, it's the change in driving habits that causes this. If you use the same amount of throttle and shift at the same rpm as before, you will not see a change in gas mileage. Not to mention that in a lot of towing applications with trucks, superchargers will often incrase gas mileage by a small amount.

As for the aftercooler, most aftermarket supercharger kits that offer any kind of aftercooler often charge an additional $1500 - $1700 for that option.

Not trying to knock on you or anything, I just don't want people to start developing a negative image of the supercharger option, especially considering none of the vehicles that compete with the TC offer this kind of dealer installed warranty supported power gain.

personally im not much fan of the supercharger. yes it provides linear power. but i perfer a turbo setup. so i can stay out of boost and in vac. (use less gas :lol: ) and the TRD S/C has no aftercooler/intercooler?? i didnt see it in the pix that was posted. if it doesnt come with a aftercooler, it would explain the HP numbers. the price of the S/C isn't all that bad. considering it is warrantied. if the motor blows, its covered. if TRD comes out with a T3/T4 turbo setup.. sign me up

One thing to remember. Merely having a supercharger or turbo does not lower your gas mileage, it's the change in driving habits that causes this. If you use the same amount of throttle and shift at the same rpm as before, you will not see a change in gas mileage. Not to mention that in a lot of towing applications with trucks, superchargers will often incrase gas mileage by a small amount.

As for the aftercooler, most aftermarket supercharger kits that offer any kind of aftercooler often charge an additional $1500 - $1700 for that option.

Not trying to knock on you or anything, I just don't want people to start developing a negative image of the supercharger option, especially considering none of the vehicles that compete with the TC offer this kind of dealer installed warranty supported power gain.

i would have to disagree on what you have to say about the MPG. i do feel that the supercharger does use more gas. because it is belt driven, it provides boost all the time. which means it will have to provide more fuel as well... do you agree or disagree? as for the turbo, you MIGHT have the same MPG as before, depending if you stay out of boost or not. if you are running T25 turbo(which spools up pretty quickly) it should provide boost all most instantly on this 2.4L motor. but as for a hybrid T3/T4 we probably start seeing boost until like 2800 rpm. so if you shift right before boost kicks in. you MPG should say primarily the same. I agree with you when you say, S/C or T/C will not increase MPG, its just common sense. because you are creating more power, you are also going to need more fuel, which means less MPG. but not if you are staying out of boost on a "LARGE" turbo setup. :D

i would have to disagree on what you have to say about the MPG. i do feel that the supercharger does use more gas. because it is belt driven, it provides boost all the time. which means it will have to provide more fuel as well... do you agree or disagree? as for the turbo, you MIGHT have the same MPG as before, depending if you stay out of boost or not. if you are running T25 turbo(which spools up pretty quickly) it should provide boost all most instantly on this 2.4L motor. but as for a hybrid T3/T4 we probably start seeing boost until like 2800 rpm. so if you shift right before boost kicks in. you MPG should say primarily the same. I agree with you when you say, S/C or T/C will not increase MPG, its just common sense. because you are creating more power, you are also going to need more fuel, which means less MPG. but not if you are staying out of boost on a "LARGE" turbo setup. :D

It should still use about the same amount of gas to create the same amount of power, If you use more power then you will use more gas. I dont think you will lose much, if any, engine efficancy with a S/C. And efficancy is where you get MPG.

personally im not much fan of the supercharger. yes it provides linear power. but i perfer a turbo setup. so i can stay out of boost and in vac. (use less gas

The torque off the line with a supercharger just can't be under-appreciated. Turbos are fine, but I would rather get in front of the guy and use my driving skills to keep him there. As a plus you don't get any turbolag with supercharges. I won't even get into which is easier to install. To make the arguement fair if you plan on "tweaking" the turbocharger to control boost, that would be a significant advantage. Supercharges can't do that (not easily anyway), but I am guessing that 99.9999% of the people that buy this car will never install a boost control system.

Gas to performance output supercharges often use less gas. Nail the throttle and they will consume more, but you are outputing significantly more power. Turbos are (as far as I know) always more effecient because they don't drain power to make power.


TRD S/C has no aftercooler/intercooler??

As a general rule supercharges do not need cooler technology. Unlike the significantly hotter turbocharger, supercharges remain relatively cool. It isn't until you start cranking up the PSI that you may need to start worrying about cooling. I would guess the TRD supercharger is not that juiced up.

personally im not much fan of the supercharger. yes it provides linear power. but i perfer a turbo setup. so i can stay out of boost and in vac. (use less gas

The torque off the line with a supercharger just can't be under-appreciated. Turbos are fine, but I would rather get in front of the guy and use my driving skills to keep him there. As a plus you don't get any turbolag with supercharges. I won't even get into which is easier to install. To make the arguement fair if you plan on "tweaking" the turbocharger to control boost, that would be a significant advantage. Supercharges can't do that (not easily anyway), but I am guessing that 99.9999% of the people that buy this car will never install a boost control system.

Gas to performance output supercharges often use less gas. Nail the throttle and they will consume more, but you are outputing significantly more power. Turbos are (as far as I know) always more effecient because they don't drain power to make power.


TRD S/C has no aftercooler/intercooler??

As a general rule supercharges do not need cooler technology. Unlike the significantly hotter turbocharger, supercharges remain relatively cool. It isn't until you start cranking up the PSI that you may need to start worrying about cooling. I would guess the TRD supercharger is not that juiced up.

yeah i guess you are right since the S/C will run low boost anyways, but i would prefer a aftercooler. since any type of compressed air is hotter. even more for a turbocharger since it exhaust driven. as for tweeking the S/C, only real thing you could do is get a smaller diameter wheel to give more boost.

hehe, obiviously the S/C is easier to install :lol:

according to my a dealer here the supercharger will be $3,500.12 or very close to that. Is that a little to steep for 50-55hp?

according to my a dealer here the supercharger will be $3,500.12 or very close to that. Is that a little to steep for 50-55hp?

i'd say thats pretty fair for a 55hp boost (providing that its an "actual" 55hp gain). That with or w/out installation?

1886 is Tax, Tag, and Title.

thats b4 installation he said it would be real close to that amount. would a turbo charger be better?

thats b4 installation he said it would be real close to that amount. would a turbo charger be better?
i'd say for a tuner, yes. If you're just looking for an overall power increase just go with the S/C. my opinion anyway..

Turbocharges are just more complicated and to get a better power output requires staying at optimal RPMs. Not to mention you need to tweak them to match the driver/conditions for optimal output. Racers will often have a boost control system installed so they can change the way the turbo does what it does on the fly. S/Cs are linear. You hit the gas and you can feel it from start to finish. Don't need to be an expert to use that.

Stay with a supercharger unless you know what the difference is, under what conditions a turbocharger is actually better than a supercharger, you can actually use that difference, and you REALLY care about it.

i would say S/C are better for daily driving. T/C are more for maximum power in the highend. not as practical as a supercharger. its just a matter of preference on this one. there is not right or wrong answer. it really depends on what you will be doing with the car. if you are just using the car for just going to work, school, or just crusing. the S/C is the best bet. turbochargers, required more work to keep it running then the S/C. for instance, if you don't have a turbo timer installed, and you are driving on the highway and late for work. obviously you wont have time to drive around the block so the turbo can slow down(the turbo can spin in upwards of 100,00rpm). if you just turn off your car after running your engine pretty hard, the turbo can suffer oil starvation(no one wants that) and in due time the turbo might die prematurely due to poor maintainance. but with the S/C you have one less thing to worry about.

where did you guys here that the s/c will add 50-55 hp???

Depending on what boost the superchager is running at the boost wil be linear.

In otherwords it won't give you big torque down low.

It will make the car much faster as the RPM's increase, which is more like a turbocharger.

That's basically that's all a centi___al (sp) superchargers are, a belt driven turbocharger.

For 55hp, I'd say they are running it around 4-5psi and most likely for warranty reasons. If you really want to push it, you can overdrive the blower alot more and get more out of it. You can prolly upgrade to Vortech's air to water intercooler kit as well.

Votech'ed Focus are making well over 200hp at the wheels with the intecooler and stock bottom end. SVT Focus make aroind 250-260hp with 7-8psi intercooled, so I know you can get more out of the tC kit if you want it.

Pricing is right inline with other forms of forced induction on other cars. The Scion shouldn't be treated any differently.

super charger sounds good.

Depending on what boost the superchager is running at the boost wil be linear.

Why would the boost have anything to do with how linear the power distribution from a supercharger is? The supercharger design itself can, but as a general rule S/C performance is linear.

In otherwords it won't give you big torque down low.

It will make the car much faster as the RPM's increase, which is more like a turbocharger.

That's basically that's all a centi___al (sp) superchargers are, a belt driven turbocharger.

I fear it is centri___ul, but hope that it is a whipple. Has anyone seen the S/C in this car yet?

It is a Vortech, but with, I think, some input on the design by TRD.

umm a 215hp coupe with as many features as the TC comes with stock is NOT BAD AT ALL for 21k

hell the mazda 3 only comes with 160 and nicely equipped its 20k
and it still beats the RSX also in speed prolly and its cheaper



Good guess... But your wrong. You don't just add 55 hp to the 160 that Toyota/Scion claims... That's how much power the motor is rated at. But by the time it gets to the ground its probably about 130-145, with the 55 hp from the supercharger your at about 180-205, that's just a bit above the RSX-s so yeah. You could hit 230 hp with a smaller supercharger pulley. :wink: But you'd be running more boost so it's dangerous.

I'm thinking this motor will handle about 8-10 pounds of boost as a daily driver, with ALL stock internals. That would probably be about 90 horsepower added to about 135. :wink: