My friend and I are having this big debate. He seems to think that you can get a scion xB to be pushing over 200 horses. I say you cant. He is saying that you can put in twin turbo and all this crap but I seem to think different... Anyone know who is right???

well, i dunno, anythings possible. but i highly doubt it is. the only way would be an engine swap.

The 1nz can push over 200hp, theres been at least one echo i've heard of on echo forums with 205whp boosted. Different ecu, so you'd have to swap our ecu with theirs but its possible with the right funds, and extensive planning. In terms of twin turbo, i'd pay your friend to do that and have the motor last 1,000 miles.

In terms of motor swaps, anything is possible. Theres two 400hp xb's, one has a 22rt motor and a truck frame, the other one has a different toyota motor, forgot the specs on that one. Both are pointless to me, especially the 22rt one since its no where close to being an xb except the shell.

But with the 1nz, its possible. Its been done, not without a ton of work. ZPI is planning to hit 12's in the box, which means they would need roughly 200-210whp to acheieve this, given the weight, gearing of our cars.

you "could" do 200hp depending on what "all this crap" is.
you probably cannot fit two turbos under the hood nor would you need to, one turbo would provide plenty of boost to blow the engine.
Mostly though it seems like your friend has no f-ing clue what he's talking about and you should'nt listen to him. at all. it seems that your not that concerned with power and that you'd rather have an xB than a fast car. good for you.

OK so the only way to get that is to spend a load of money or do an enigine swap... thx... oh by the way, I would take an xB over any other car in the world except for a nissan 350z just because i love the way they are designed...

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youd take a xb over any car , you poor thing you should get very sick and eventually die LOL jokeing

Twin turbos on inline motors are not that great an idea. The execution is VERY difficult, the risks are great, and the gains are minimal. V configurations however....


as stated earlier, one turbo is sufficient to blow up the motor.

But, could you say, use a truck load of money, to rebuild the motor, and reprogram the engine management to handle 30psi? That's another question for these other technical cats on the board.

Twin turbos on inline motors are not that great an idea. The execution is VERY difficult, the risks are great, and the gains are minimal. V configurations however....


as stated earlier, one turbo is sufficient to blow up the motor.

But, could you say, use a truck load of money, to rebuild the motor, and reprogram the engine management to handle 30psi? That's another question for these other technical cats on the board. inline ? um yeah 6 cylinder they work fine. but a turbo per two cylinders is stretching it and probably wouldnt have enough exhaust velocity. hell or volumn

Twin turbos on inline motors are not that great an idea. The execution is VERY difficult, the risks are great, and the gains are minimal. V configurations however....


as stated earlier, one turbo is sufficient to blow up the motor.

But, could you say, use a truck load of money, to rebuild the motor, and reprogram the engine management to handle 30psi? That's another question for these other technical cats on the board. inline ? um yeah 6 cylinder they work fine. but a turbo per two cylinders is stretching it and probably wouldnt have enough exhaust velocity. hell or volumn

Would have no where near enough exhaust velocity to do any justice. You could probably run dual, very small, 3psi turbos. With all the custom work into that, wouldn't be worth the trouble. Best go with single turbo.

with proper engine internals and a good engine management you can do anything. Use a 20G or a GT35 turbo and you will get a good spool. You have to beef up the transmission though.

GT35 :eyebrow: :doh:

GT35 :eyebrow: :doh:

i was thinking the same thing. these engine onlye rev to around 6500 anyway. maybe on a vtec you could do a GT35 and have no spooling problems but i dont think so on the 1NZ-FE

Quick post from me. I did some research and found the flow rates of a GT35. You are right. Higher RPM response. You could go with a modified exhaust housing though.

except for a nissan 350z just because i love the way they are designed...

ever seen the audi tt?....which came first the audi or the 350? do the right choice get a 4wd original instead the one that steals a design from another company. SKYLINE on the other hand is amazing

200 hp IS attainable..

The only problem is

SPEED COSTS... HOW FAST DO YOU WANT TO GO? (HOW MUCH YOU GOT?)

And what is realistic on your budget? or just buy a faster car if speed is all you want.

Or are you looking for a sleeper, show stopper, 1/4 mile car, auto crosser etc.

What are you trying to get out of it?

Good luck

if you want 200whp reliably, expect to spend around $10k.

if you want 200whp reliably, expect to spend around $10k.

err......i would say more like 15k for that much on this little car with little engine!

LOL

new pistons, rods, studs, seals, machine work, etc will run $6k easily. not including turbo set up.

Anyway, there is someone named jamie coriano who is supposed to have an XB than runs 13.1
If he is on these forums, he would probably be the person to talk to since to run those times he would have to have 200whp+

You could make 200+whp for under $ 1,000.

The kit that Ctrus and myself are making has an M62 blower, it's more than ample to push enough boost through it to produce 200hp on the 1NZ-FE.

Before you all attack me, there are two things to know.

-- 200HP is easy to reach, but that does not mean it would hit that mark more than once... All it takes is a ton of boost and enough fuel for the combustion.

-- Once 200HP is hit, how will the motor hold? How will the trans hold? Where are the weak spots?

These are questions Ctruss and myself intend to try and answer. There are reports here and there of high HP 1nz-fe's but no real details. I will be disclosing EVERYTHING we do to these cars and the power levels they reach.

I am also going to buy a junkyard motor in the future, hook it up, boost the hell out of it and wait for it to fail. We NEED failures under PROPER conditions with PROPER documentation to know just what we need to strengthen.

It could be that one little bolt in the trans simply needs to have a harder version of it put in and the car could take 3,000HP, or it could be that the rods suck but the pistions are fine, or the pistons suck but the rods can hold 500+HP...

Nobody really knows. I, however, would not put the thought of 200+ reliable HP out of a very close to stock setup out of your minds. I do intend to put my money where my mouth is, do some real research, disclose all mods and failed parts (if any) and have fun with my car.

While twin turbo's for 200hp would be overkill, it could be done. Some people here attack new ideas so fast without much basis on fact. Where there is a will there is a way. You say there is no room for twin's, well if you pull out the stock airbox there is enough room there for a kitchen sink.

Anyway, long post.. sorry. Hopefully these questions like this can have a solid answer in the future.

Just one quick comment. You could run a custom twin turbo without issue, but it just plain isn't worth it if you are trying to achieve the power with the most cost effective method.

Shoot, I've seen LS1 equipped cars running EIGHT turbos!

Why would you ever put a twin turbo on a DOHC 1.5 4cyl?????????? Come on guys...

To be honest, there is no good reason to ever twin turbo the 1.5. That doesn't mean it isn't possible, or that someone with more money than sense couldn't do it.

Heres proof for your friend. An xB in PR doing over 200whp with one turbo and a completly stock engine.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f192/soros151/DSC02973.jpg
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^tell kevin i said welcome to the 200 club. :clap:

Hes been there for more than a year already. :P

im impressed he did it with a stock engine.

i had mine built inside out, then dropped in the turbo and STILL had issues until the very last day.

i think it actually ran great maybe 3 weeks out of several months.

They know their ____. He and his brother did that one. :D

seems like theres starting to be a handful of 200+ xbs now.

when i had mine it was when zpi was pushing their xb, and i think i was the 1st or 2nd. everyone gave me crap even with dyno sheets. i had videos on youtube but i dont know if they are still there.

i think its becoming more accepted that the 1nz can put out some power. id love to see a 300whp 1nzfe. :bow:

200whp on a Dynojet really means nothing to me. We are aiming for 210whp on our Dyno Dynamics machine.

200whp on a Dynojet really means nothing to me. We are aiming for 210whp on our Dyno Dynamics machine.


lol, I'm sorry for my rude post then. :rofl:

200whp on a Dynojet really means nothing to me. We are aiming for 210whp on our Dyno Dynamics machine.


lol, I'm sorry for my rude post then. :rofl:

It wasnt rude. Im just trying to let guys see the big picture. We just had a guy put down 300whp on a ** dyno, then came to us and put down a whopping 180whp. If anyone thinks they have a 200whp xb, give me a call. I will dyno your car for free. I warned you guys about certain turbo set ups and kits before (3 years ago?). Some listened and some didnt. Well, where is that company now? :P

200whp on a Dynojet really means nothing to me. We are aiming for 210whp on our Dyno Dynamics machine.


lol, I'm sorry for my rude post then. :rofl:

It wasnt rude. Im just trying to let guys see the big picture. We just had a guy put down 300whp on a ** dyno, then came to us and put down a whopping 180whp. If anyone thinks they have a 200whp xb, give me a call. I will dyno your car for free. I warned you guys about certain turbo set ups and kits before (3 years ago?). Some listened and some didnt. Well, where is that company now? :P

Agreed. So many dynos have jacked up calibration, it's so common. DynoDynamics tend to be the most accurate, but at the same time, shops still jack with the calibration on those ( one exapmle iv'e heard.. Ripmods)

There are probably only a handful of dynos out there that are dead on. Only a few shops out there atually take the time to ensure correct dyno calibration. The dyno I go to, is a $100,000 set-up, it is true and it is the only dyno I go to now because it is the only one I trust... it is one of 2 or 3 in the country. I've been on other dynos and the read super high... my 1/4 mile times didnt relect those #'s at all.

So when somebody posts on here that they have a 170 plus whp xA or xB, I over look it, until I see then at the track and I race them, those #'s don't mean anything.

200whp on a Dynojet really means nothing to me. We are aiming for 210whp on our Dyno Dynamics machine.


lol, I'm sorry for my rude post then. :rofl:

It wasnt rude. Im just trying to let guys see the big picture. We just had a guy put down 300whp on a ** dyno, then came to us and put down a whopping 180whp. If anyone thinks they have a 200whp xb, give me a call. I will dyno your car for free. I warned you guys about certain turbo set ups and kits before (3 years ago?). Some listened and some didnt. Well, where is that company now? :P
yep you were all over that :bow:

seems like theres starting to be a handful of 200+ xbs now.

when i had mine it was when zpi was pushing their xb, and i think i was the 1st or 2nd. everyone gave me crap even with dyno sheets. i had videos on youtube but i dont know if they are still there.

i think its becoming more accepted that the 1nz can put out some power. id love to see a 300whp 1nzfe. :bow:

347whp @ 22psi in my echo... my motor is on ebay right now actually.

had it tuned down to 240 @ 8psi for daily driving.

seems like theres starting to be a handful of 200+ xbs now.

when i had mine it was when zpi was pushing their xb, and i think i was the 1st or 2nd. everyone gave me crap even with dyno sheets. i had videos on youtube but i dont know if they are still there.

i think its becoming more accepted that the 1nz can put out some power. id love to see a 300whp 1nzfe. :bow:

347whp @ 22psi in my echo... my motor is on ebay right now actually.

had it tuned down to 240 @ 8psi for daily driving.uh... what size was the turbo? must have been a Mac truck turbo cause im at 10psi and im about 100whp shy of that #. Did u use a butt dyno for those #'s?

seems like theres starting to be a handful of 200+ xbs now.

when i had mine it was when zpi was pushing their xb, and i think i was the 1st or 2nd. everyone gave me crap even with dyno sheets. i had videos on youtube but i dont know if they are still there.

i think its becoming more accepted that the 1nz can put out some power. id love to see a 300whp 1nzfe. :bow:

347whp @ 22psi in my echo... my motor is on ebay right now actually.

had it tuned down to 240 @ 8psi for daily driving.uh... what size was the turbo? must have been a Mac truck turbo cause im at 10psi and im about 100whp shy of that #. Did u use a butt dyno for those #'s?

How can he be so exact and using a butt dyno..... :eyebrow:

LOL.. no butt dyno.

Car was built and dyno'd by a professional shop here in Canada.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120218364427

I am selling the setup because i plan on putting a different motor so make more power. I would like to get into the 500+ HP range. A fully built AE111 Levin blacktop motor would do this. I have already priced the build for the new motor at approx. 16,000CND.

If the motor doesn't sell by spring it looks like i'll part the entire thing out. But its really a shame to do so.

All the specs are in the listing. Turbo is a GT28RS.

seems like theres starting to be a handful of 200+ xbs now.

when i had mine it was when zpi was pushing their xb, and i think i was the 1st or 2nd. everyone gave me crap even with dyno sheets. i had videos on youtube but i dont know if they are still there.

i think its becoming more accepted that the 1nz can put out some power. id love to see a 300whp 1nzfe. :bow:

347whp @ 22psi in my echo... my motor is on ebay right now actually.

had it tuned down to 240 @ 8psi for daily driving.uh... what size was the turbo? must have been a Mac truck turbo cause im at 10psi and im about 100whp shy of that #. Did u use a butt dyno for those #'s?

How can he be so exact and using a butt dyno..... :eyebrow: Maybe his butt is sensitive. Impressive motor and set-up. If i had the $ i'd buy it from u right now. I like people who pop up outta no-where with crazy setups, kudos

Thanks man! I'll get some photos of the complete car once the snow melts here... I hate winter. :(

does it really matter? i mean how much faster then stock is it? or does drag still limit how fast a giant brick can move?

does it really matter? i mean how much faster then stock is it? or does drag still limit how fast a giant brick can move?yea it matters. A box that beats a Vette down the 1/4 is worth it in my book. Imagine the face on that driver.
Or... you could put it in an xA

but really, when do u ever top out in speed? All the racing I do, and power I got i still havent run outta gear yet.

That's the one question that bugs me.. "how fast is it?" very novice Q Well what do u mean how fast is it? acceleration? braking? cornering? top speed? all that matters is the awsome feeling u get passing true performance cars on a road coarse :) makes them feel bad

i didnt mean for it to come out wrong.. i know the acceleration goes up .. but does the top speed stay the same.. there is a certain point that your speed is held back by drag..

the only reason i ask is.. i question myself if force induction is even worth the money.. im not trying to put you down or anything.. just curious

i didnt mean for it to come out wrong.. i know the acceleration goes up .. but does the top speed stay the same.. there is a certain point that your speed is held back by drag..

the only reason i ask is.. i question myself if force induction is even worth the money.. im not trying to put you down or anything.. just curious I think our cars, the way they are geared... will never see over 125 even if it had 500hp. I know C-one has different gears but i believe they are even shorter. I think that the gearing will cut you short before the drag will.

thats the answer i was looking for..

though a quicker 0-60 car would be nice, but i would like to see faster top speeds..

I don't mean this in any way but a joke....

That Canadian dude with the 347hp motor-that's Canadian hp-so with the exchange rate that's like 125 or so US. :rofl:

Hahahaha.. don't worry... i would of taken it as a joke anyways.
:rofl:

i didnt mean for it to come out wrong.. i know the acceleration goes up .. but does the top speed stay the same.. there is a certain point that your speed is held back by drag..

the only reason i ask is.. i question myself if force induction is even worth the money.. im not trying to put you down or anything.. just curious

You'll never get to the point were drag is a huge problem on your car.

Not sure if you guys know this...

But the scion xB is actually a very aerodynamic car despite it's boxy appearance.

Its drag coefficient is actually on par with an F1 McLaren...

The drag coefficient doesn't matter too much in our cars (echo, scion). Because we will never go 200 miles an hour. But the good news is if you go that fast it won't take any more power to move it forward then it does for an F1 Mclearen :)

Check out the list of cars here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficients

That's due to 2 things mostly:

If you look from the top of the car the xB is actually quite rounded as far as the front and the windshield (ala Saab [who also build military aircrafts] and Porsche 911s)

and it has a small front area as it is not actually all that tall and quite narrow (mark 2 VW's were like that too-look at one from the front or back)

At our first track run of the year in Jan. Some guy brought out his white with Pink,purple and different color XB. I believe he was running in the 13's till he had a little problem downtrack. He was from Cali if I remember correctly.

that is real fast

At our first track run of the year in Jan. Some guy brought out his white with Pink,purple and different color XB. I believe he was running in the 13's till he had a little problem downtrack. He was from Cali if I remember correctly.


Yeah that was me! I actually ran a 12.9 on my first pass. I had alot of fun that night.

Arthur

dang that is fast.......

Yeah ...we blew a head gasket ...We found some head studs and got a new gasket ..should be good to go for Triathalon

thats the answer i was looking for..

though a quicker 0-60 car would be nice, but i would like to see faster top speeds..

to do that we need different gears... our xBs and xAs for that matter top out at 127mhp at 6500 redlined..... when i was running 9.5 psi on my kit i hit that racing a rsx type s... pulled hard to 127.. i actually didnt kno i was going that fast and scared the heck outta me when i topped out.. was a sick feeling thou... especially cuz i was pulling on him slowly till that point

Yeah ...we blew a head gasket ...We found some head studs and got a new gasket ..should be good to go for Triathalon

Leslie I take it?

Yeah ...we blew a head gasket ...We found some head studs and got a new gasket ..should be good to go for Triathalon

Leslie I take it?
that would be her :P
Nice, AMS has a box hahaha

thats the answer i was looking for..

though a quicker 0-60 car would be nice, but i would like to see faster top speeds..

to do that we need different gears... our xBs and xAs for that matter top out at 127mhp at 6500 redlined..... when i was running 9.5 psi on my kit i hit that racing a rsx type s... pulled hard to 127.. i actually didnt kno i was going that fast and scared the heck outta me when i topped out.. was a sick feeling thou... especially cuz i was pulling on him slowly till that point
127ouch.... :nails:

what?

what?
with all my suspension mods and I have a lot....I would be nervous at that speed in the box

no you should be ok... i have heavy 19 x 8s that keep me on the road stirdy... and i have ksport pro coilovers and sway bars all around... it makes for a run drive around those windy roads... im sure you kno what im talking about :P

LOL ok I got the same rear sway bar, progress coil overs with konis, front strut bar, spacers etc....no body lean here LOL