Okay, so i called scion corp about my MPG that i am getting (between 23-27 variates..) they tell me to ride NO a/c windows up...SUUURE....whatever. Friday i get a chance to test this theory, as i had to drive to west palm beach at night...drove w no a/c at least half the way, windows up , vent on, got off the expressway at a rest area to get a beverage only one time, STILL only got 27.5 mpg...rode on the way back daytime, a/c blasting @ III , i get 27.2 MPG, so imo the a/c is not the determining factor in MPG, tho obviously it duz affect it a little...should i take my box in for these #'s being so low?...the service writer at a local dealer said we should be getting more mpg than we are...what do u all think?... :?

I get 30+ depending on my driving habits. On a long highway trip I get around 33-35, cruising around town and leaving it running while I run in to get something I get around 30. And I crank the A/C b/c it's frickin hot in Texas. Anytime you can go out at sunrise and have 85 F weather, it's too hot.

-Z

I get 30+ depending on my driving habits. On a long highway trip I get around 33-35, cruising around town and leaving it running while I run in to get something I get around 30. And I crank the A/C b/c it's frickin hot in Texas. Anytime you can go out at sunrise and have 85 F weather, it's too hot.

-Z

see i need to get THOSE numbers, and in Florida its ALL FLATLAND too!!!...man wtf? :?

i live in florida and have the same problem... what u have to do is ALWAYS keep ur RPM's below or at 3000 if you do that yu can go about 70mph max, but you have to accelerate slow.. but u can acheive 32 mpg or so, with the ac on and stuff. I did it on my trip to orlando. You just have to be aware of ur RPMS and acceleration rates.

that should work!

I was gonna say if your peggin it everywhere you go your never gonna get the best mileage.

I've gotten consistent 30-32 mpg in my 1200 mile xB on my 75/way mile commutes. I drive about 70-75 mph, a few times peaking into the 80's, but we almost never need AC here in the bay area. The traffic doesn't really clog up that bad during my commute hours. I hope to see those numbers climb as the engine breaks in fully. I rented an auto xB to test the commute before buying my 5 speed, and that auto rental got 35 mpg for a tankful.

I mainly do highway driving because I live so far from where I work,I average speed wise between 65-70mph revs right around 3000rpm's.I use a/c almost all the time I live in the Great State of Texas,hot,hot,hot.I get between 31-33 mpg.Peace :)


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ScionMikey04 Let's just all try and get along and live in peace.

for the most part on the ride e stayed a steady 75 to 80 mph, which in our auto , is just above 3 g's....i think we should have gotten WELL over 300 miles on the tank(somwhwere around 370 at least), and we were looking to get JUST above 300, mb 310, so we are getting ____ted pretty bad on the mpg tip.... :x

right now i am at 25-27 per tank. And I got mods up the wazu!!! Header, manifold back system Ngk Sparkplugs and I couldn't be happier about the millage. Now I think if you are not driving the speed limit than that really effects your milage, especially since our cars are geared low on the tranny. :shock:

i guess what burns me , is that there are people on here getting WAY better milage, and to be honest, i am a granny driver, i never rev above 4 grand, i keep steady speeds, i should be getting close to optimal gas milage, and imo, the milage we have been getting is not even up to par with what it was rated at..i mean if u were to get the rated 34 mpg hgwy , which i believe i should have gotten close too, on our ALL Expreessway trip,just above 400 miles to the tank (that takes u to bone dry basically), but we had trouble getting above 300, like 320 TOPS , that is 26.8 mpg HGWY?..my v8 Infiniti q45 gets EXACTLY what it is rated at 16/20...to only get 6.8 mpg than a v8 is CRAZY!! Anywhoo , we are taking it in for service , and seriously contemplating exercising our lemon law rights to get another Box, we love the car, but are VERY unhappy with the milage...like even if we had topped at 30.something per gallon on our trip , i prolly would have let it slide, but this ,...this is totally unacceptable~! :evil:

for the most part on the ride e stayed a steady 75 to 80 mph, which in our auto , is just above 3 g's....i think we should have gotten WELL over 300 miles on the tank(somwhwere around 370 at least), and we were looking to get JUST above 300, mb 310, so we are getting ____ted pretty bad on the mpg tip.... :x

the numbers are not going to tell you what your gas mileage will be; it is just an indication of the relative fuel economy of the vehicle.

Okay, so what do those numbers on the window sticker mean and how do they arrive at them?

EPA fuel economy estimates are posted on the fuel economy label of all new vehicles.

The only intended use of these values is for comparison among the different vehicles. Fuel economy estimates are generated from data taken during a laboratory test using pre-production prototype vehicles under extremely controlled conditions using a professional driver, with the vehicle operating on an instrument similar to a treadmill. The comparison of current vehicle fuel economy to the EPA fuel economy estimates is to let you compare apples to apples.

The EPA GAS MILEAGE GUIDE, available at each dealership, points out that the actual mileage when driving a vehicle may differ considerably from the estimated mileage. The guide also describes how vehicles are tested under identical conditions to ensure that the results can be compared with confidence.

The EPA GAS MILEAGE GUIDE also points out that the city fuel economy estimate simulates a 7.5 mile stop-and-go trip with an average speed of 20 mph. The trip takes 23 minutes and has 18 stops. About 18 percent of the time is spent idling, as in waiting at traffic lights or in rush hour traffic. Two kinds of engine starts are used: the cold start, which is similar to starting a car in the morning after it has been parked all night, and the hot start, similar to restarting a vehicle after it has been warmed up, driven and stopped for a short time.

The test to determine the highway fuel economy estimate represents a mixture of "non-city" driving. Segments corresponding to different kinds of rural roads and interstate highways are included. The test simulates a 10-mile trip and averages 48 mph. The test is run from a hot start and has little idling time and no stops.

The EPA GAS MILEAGE GUIDE explains that the actual test results are adjusted downward to arrive at the estimates used in the booklet and on the labels. City estimates are lowered by 10 percent and the highway estimate by 22 percent from the laboratory test results. The guide also points out that traveling at higher speeds lowers fuel economy and traveling at 65 mph instead of 55 mph lowers fuel economy over 15 percent.

Even though these figures are adjusted, they still represent what the average driver will get. Your fuel economy may be significantly higher or lower, depending on how, when, and where your vehicle is driven.

Here are some things you can do to increase fuel economy:

* Combine errands into one trip.
* Turn the engine off rather than letting it idle for more than a minute.
* Have your car serviced as described in the maintenance booklet.
* Keep tires inflated to recommended pressures.
* Anticipate traffic stops.

Here are some things that will lower fuel economy:

* Quick acceleration.
* Traveling at higher speeds. Traveling at 65 mph instead of 55 mph lowers fuel economy by 15 percent.
* Carrying unnecessary weight in the vehicle.
* Revving the engine. This is not necessary for your vehicle.
* Operating your vehicle with the suspension out of alignment or with the wheels and tires out of balance.
* Use of electrical accessories that require high amperage when they are not needed.

Even things beyond your control, such as weather conditions, affect your fuel economy. Driving up steep hills, in rain or snow, and into a strong wind will lower fuel economy. In the lower left corner of the fuel economy window sticker for your vehicle is the range of city and highway fuel economy you can expect to get from your car.

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/aa022501a.htm

34 x .85= 28.9 mpg Assuming 15% loss at 65MPH, Factor in another 10% loss for 75MPH and you are right on target. You should be happy to get that kinda mileage at those speeds. If you really want to hit those higher numbers, granny up to and don't exceed 55MPH. I seriously doubt that the dealer can do anything... There's nothing to be done, at least to the vehicle. To borrow a phrase from the computer biz, "The problem is a loose nut between the steering wheel and the driver's seat." :wink:

The Scion man (i appreciate the help mofo :)...,

That is all well and good, however ,if ALOT of others are getting much much better MPG than our box, surely something must be up!?!?? I mean lets review the facts here people, 108 HP MOTOR 1.5 Liters, how can it get less than 30 mpg?


City estimates are lowered by 10 percent and the highway estimate by 22 percent from the laboratory test results.


the article u provided even STATED it lowered the figures 10 percent for city, and 22 percent for hgwy..based on this the actual test figures were supp to be in the neighborhood of 40 highway then 35 ish city....based on THESE figures i am getting totally screwed, and thie loss in fuel economy due to driving at 75-80 would put me RIGHT where the car is rated at...it strikes me really odd that my old ___ civic can STILL get 30 ++ mpg JUST like it is rated at , with 225 thousand miles on it...and the Echo can get GREAT gas milage, along with the Xa rated at 38 or whatever it is, it just seems i am losing over 50 miles a tank at LEAST....

DEALERS??? care to defend/parry?

Well, sorry to hear that your not satisfied, maybe its just a fluke and the dealer will get you a better scion. But you can't really compare our bricks to a curved echo on gas milage :lol: shoot I know that our boxes work harder to go against that wind. Yet the xA goes through with is curvy body. :D

i got just over 3000 on the car, and i am getting on average about 28.5. I drive very aggressively, have 18, but have the car lowered. I get about 25 when i go 100, which is bad becuase you are going so fast you can watch the guage drop. BUT ITS SWEET ___

Well, sorry to hear that your not satisfied, maybe its just a fluke and the dealer will get you a better scion. But you can't really compare our bricks to a curved echo on gas milage :lol: shoot I know that our boxes work harder to go against that wind. Yet the xA goes through with is curvy body. :D

curious what do u get for MPG?

my xa gets 37.5 combo highway and city,...yahoooo!

Well, sorry to hear that your not satisfied, maybe its just a fluke and the dealer will get you a better scion. But you can't really compare our bricks to a curved echo on gas milage :lol: shoot I know that our boxes work harder to go against that wind. Yet the xA goes through with is curvy body. :D

curious what do u get for MPG?

right now i am at 25-27 per tank. And I got mods up the wazu!!! Header, manifold back system Ngk Sparkplugs and I couldn't be happier about the millage. Now I think if you are not driving the speed limit than that really effects your milage, especially since our cars are geared low on the tranny. :shock:

They have adjusted the test because it is not indicative of ACTUAL driving habits. It still doesn't say this is what you'll get, its a way to compare two vehicles. If Toyota was only getting a fraction of the EPA estimate while other carmakers are getting those numbers consistently then I would be concerned. Do a Google search and you will see it's not a problem exclusive to Scion.

Also, spot checking per tank isn't an accurate way to figure mileage, especially if you are going to expect the dealer to do anything. Keep a precise record of how much gas goes in and at what mileage. Figure it over a few tankfuls.

IMO, tho, if you expect to get the tested MPG, you gotta drive like they do in the test and I'll bet you can't do it for a week... I know I couldn't.

i just write it off as opportunity cost to drive the best deal on the road. my mileage has been in the upper 20's hauling ___, and i figgered it was aerodynamics.

cmdxb... you wouldn't happen to weigh 800 lbs, would you? :D :wink:

Hey-
Sorry to hear about your bad MPG... as far as lemon laws go I'm not sure how much luck you will have since you can't really prove your driving habits to someone to ensure you are complying with what Toyota told you. Alot of people are having trouble with their mpg on the Prius too, which is rated at 60 city 51 hwy. The avg person gets about 46 mpg (from what I've heard) b/c no one drives it the way that the gov't tests it. Btw, it is also illegal for any car company to advertise different mpg than the gov't posts, so even if Toyota wanted to they couldn't officially retract the overestimated mpg.

I've been getting between 32-35 mpg so far, have about 2100 miles on the XB. My daily commute is about 75 miles roundtrip broken down about 55% freeway and 45% regular streets. Traffic doesn't really backup in my commute and I'm moving most of the time. Am very happy with the MPG so far.

Doug

IMO, tho, if you expect to get the tested MPG, you gotta drive like they do in the test and I'll bet you can't do it for a week... I know I couldn't.



all i am sayin is i DROVE w NO air conditioning for almost 200 miles, and 70 miles w it on, with the cruise control on avg 70-77 and STILL got only 27 MPG...that just is not right man, all three vehicles i have owned got EXACTLY or better than what was on the sticker....that is like almost EIGHTY MILES less per tank that i am NOT getting...8)

and I have tracked MPG for EVERY tank since mile 20.... started and got 320 miles , filled up 11.5 gallons , has since gone down to the above mentioned 23-27 mpg...w usually my 120 pound wife driving it to and from work on the expresway 70 percent of the time...

In Northern Virginia it has been hot lately. In town I am getting 25-27 depending on my moods. Sometimes I drive a little fast. On the highway with the windwos down and no AC I get 35. With the AC it is 33. Not bad. The numbers on the sticker are not realistic. I would be disappointed with the numbers you posted.

IMO, tho, if you expect to get the tested MPG, you gotta drive like they do in the test and I'll bet you can't do it for a week... I know I couldn't.



all i am sayin is i DROVE w NO air conditioning for almost 200 miles, and 70 miles w it on, with the cruise control on avg 70-77 and STILL got only 27 MPG...that just is not right man, all three vehicles i have owned got EXACTLY or better than what was on the sticker....that is like almost EIGHTY MILES less per tank that i am NOT getting...8)

and I have tracked MPG for EVERY tank since mile 20.... started and got 320 miles , filled up 11.5 gallons , has since gone down to the above mentioned 23-27 mpg...w usually my 120 pound wife driving it to and from work on the expresway 70 percent of the time...

Don't figure per tank, add all the gas and all the miles and get an overall avg. And slow down. Time is money, if you save a little time, it's gonna cost you some money.

Obviously, this is just my opinion, take it to the dealer if you think it is neccessary and resolvable.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=lousy+gas+mileage&btnG=Search

well if you wife is driving it 70% of the time how do you know how she's driving?

I was wondering what everyone else was getting as well as I bought my XB about 5 weeks ago, I have just over 4,000 miles on it, and I am getting 36-38 mpg and thought it was high as the sticker said I would get 30-34. I travel from the mountains to the ocean everyday and back (105 miles round trip) so I don't pay attention to the rpms going up and down hills and all. Glad to hear that mine seems to be getting fantastic mileage though!

I was wondering what everyone else was getting as well as I bought my XB about 5 weeks ago, I have just over 4,000 miles on it, and I am getting 36-38 mpg and thought it was high as the sticker said I would get 30-34. I travel from the mountains to the ocean everyday and back (105 miles round trip) so I don't pay attention to the rpms going up and down hills and all. Glad to hear that mine seems to be getting fantastic mileage though!

I'm another one that gets mileage like this....took me a lil more than quarter tank to go to NYC, drive around a lil bit and come home. i live right outside of philly i put almost 200 miles on the box that day and ask everyone in ScioNRG, we didn't have the best of luck with lights and stops!

Jeff

An old topic but a good one....

4800 miles on my RS1 5-spd and I am lucky to get 29 MPG it usually runs 27-28. I dont race I shift like a soup kitchen christian so always before 3500. THe MPG is total bull____. I have complained everyone I know complains, but many folks w/o scion dont give a ____ because they are the dumb ones getting 15mpg in their SUVs... they think we have no room to complain... total BS. When its rated at 35 mpg highway and you get 28, thats not cool. The sticker MPG on those SUV is around 17MPG.... have them start getting 10MPG and lets see them complain. I went from an SUV to this for a reason.

I look for some to jump the EPA ____ about this, I can't even get the 35mpg w/o AC and doing a constant 60MPH.

Over 3600 miles I've averaged about 32.9 MPG, and it creeps up a bit everytime I fill the tank. Lately I've been getting around 34 per tank. I've had to teach myself how to drive again, but once you get the hang of it, it's really easy to get the mileage you want.

I drive about 50/50 Highway/City with lots of stop and go traffic. When I'm on the highway, I usually do between 75-80.

I've got an automatic with stock tires. If you've got larger tires, you'll likely see a drop in your gas mileage. I rarely use the AC and usually have all four windows down. I try to keep the RPMs below 3000. Shift your car at 3000, not 3500. If you've got an auto, ease up on the gas when you want it to shift. You don't have to wait for it. When you first start the car, take it easy. Wait for the blue temperature light to go out before you try any quick acceleration.

The hardest thing I've had to do is stop myself from taking off at traffic lights. In my previous car, I used to floor it and be half a block away before anyone else even moved. Now I accelerate slowly and I still move faster than most other drivers.

If you're not getting this kind of mileage, or even averaging around 30, check your RPMs. I can almost guarantee you go over 3000 often. You might feel like you're driving like a granny, but it's very easy to go over and not even realize it.

I'm keeping a log of my mileage here (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/608710/2).

Jacob

very interesting at the differences.....

I get about 34 on average with my stick.

my wife IS a granny driver, that is how i know how she drives, and it is not acceptable to be getting the milage that we are, to get 27 on the highway , w no a/c most of the way is absolutly unacceptable...if the dealer cannot fix this, i will be claiming lemon, and getting a new Scion.... :x

like i said we LOVE the car, but this is crazy...this will be the third time we are bringing it in for service on the milage, and we have satisfied our part of the florida lemon law....i am going to request to hold a new scion for a week, and test the milage FIRST before taking it as a replacement...

my wife IS a granny driver, that is how i know how she drives, and it is not acceptable to be getting the milage that we are, to get 27 on the highway , w no a/c most of the way is absolutly unacceptable...if the dealer cannot fix this, i will be claiming lemon, and getting a new Scion.... :x

like i said we LOVE the car, but this is crazy...this will be the third time we are bringing it in for service on the milage, and we have satisfied our part of the florida lemon law....i am going to request to hold a new scion for a week, and test the milage FIRST before taking it as a replacement...

27 is still good......stop worring and enjoy it........life is to short!

27 is NOT good when we are talking expressway mpg....we should easily be in the 30's...at least 31 or so, and id be okie w that....o well..i called scion coorporate, adv tham i am takin gthe car in for the third time for mpg issue, and that if it is not remedied, i will claim lemon law, and hopefully rec a new scion...they did advise me they are going to have a coorporate rep for scion, be at the dealer i am getting the service at to make sure there is nothing they can do about the mpg....i will keep u guys posted if u like...obviously there IS some sort of a problem if some cars are getting STELLAR milage of 33++ mpg, and some are getting 25 mpg...that is too much of a difference to be soley driving habits and a/c...i REFUSE to believe that...u would have to FLOOR it all the time, with the a/c on full blast and 3 peeps in the car to make THAT much of a difference in the MPG...seriously that is rediculous 8)

Do you normally use the same brand of gas? If so, you may want to switch to a different brand. If you use "cheapo" stuff, maybe trying a couple tanks of name-brand would help.

An annecdotal reference point- if I use 91/92 octane gas in my motorcycle, I get worse mileage than if I use 87 octane. I also get no pereceivable difference in performance when dropping from 92 to 87.

I'm using 87 octane in my xB and used similar octane in the rental xB that saw 35 mpg. I'd be interested in hearing if the folks getting crappy numbers are using higher octane.

Actual Mileage will vary
with options, driving
conditions, driving habits
and vehicle’s condition.
Results reported to EPA
indicate that the majority of
vehicles with these
estimates will achieve
between
XX and XX mpg in the city
and between
XX and XX mpg on the
highway.


The fine print on the window sticker. That's how they CYA. I meant to look at mine this morning and see what range they give. Does anyone have their window sticker handy?

Personally if i was the dealer, I wouldn't give you another xB to hot rod around in and test. I'd stick you in a rental and let the shop boy drive your car around for a couple hours.

I don't want to sound antagonistic, I'm just a skeptic I guess. Please keep us updated on your progress.

i usually use sams gas, and i used that same gas in my civic, still got ABOVE sticker mpg...however on the way back from my trip i filled up with texaco gas, and still recieved only barely 27..closer to high 26.9 on the highway....o well, i truly dont think the dealer will be ABLE to give me another Xb to tool around in, unless Scion Coorp tells them to, which the gentleman i am corresponding with , indicated that is a possibility....I do not beleive giving a "shop boy" my new vehicle to tool around in , would be a wise decision for the dealer to make, due to the fact the service manager, who is also the customer service point of contact/manager for the dealer, is handling this particular problem personally.


In response to the gas octane, i use 87...that is what the manual says to use... 8)

ANNNND

I'd stick you in a rental and let the shop boy drive your car around for a couple hours.

who pee'd in your wheaties doode?....lol... :lol:

In Northern Virginia it has been hot lately. In town I am getting 25-27 depending on my moods. Sometimes I drive a little fast. On the highway with the windwos down and no AC I get 35. With the AC it is 33. Not bad. The numbers on the sticker are not realistic. I would be disappointed with the numbers you posted.

I also live in NOVA and I've been getting around 33ish average. I drive with the windows down and spend hours sitting in the lovely Virginia traffic. I don't use the AC much though and I do accelerate fast. I need to stop trying to race people out of the tollbooth it just gets me and my box humilated.

I'd stick you in a rental and let the shop boy drive your car around for a couple hours.

who pee'd in your wheaties doode?....lol... :lol:

Just speaking from experience. Used to work in a Service Dept. The hourly rate for a tech is way to high to have him drive a car around for 3-4 hours just burning gas, maybe if they were trying to pinpoint a noise or something. The service manager could drive it home at night to test, but that's gonna take a while to rack up enough miles - more days than they are going to want your car in the shop. Usually there are several lower level guys around that don't cost as much per hour. We would've filled the tank, snapped a photo of the odo and told him to drive until he puts on about 100 miles then turn around and come back.

It's simple troubleshooting. two factors - the car and the driver. You need to isolate one factor from the other to see if you can tell which factor is causing the problem. Which is gonna be cheaper? match your car to a new driver or match you with a new car?

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful... Just giving my opinions. I was under the impression your were soliciting them. Would you feel better if I said "That totally sux, you're getting screwed, give em hell"? IMO, that would just set you up for a bigger disappointment when they find the car is fine...

i was soliciting opinions, u r correct, however, u seemed to wanna make your opinion known over everyone elses..no biggie, however there are more constructive ways to do so my friend..altho some of which you have typed is definately valuble information..i feel as tho i have effectively disputed most of the facts you have presented, if only to further my case...


when they find the car is fine...


nice to know u have officially diagnosed the prob, and come to a conclusion....without seeing the car or my driving habits and what not :)

I truly appreciate EVERYONE's opinions that i have so rightfully solicited here at this board (which has A plethora of info on it ..no doubt!!) and i hope to actually keep contributing here , instead of just _____ing about my MPG issue...lol...thanks all i will post soon to let you all know the outcome..

I wish everybody got at least the average posted ratings on the sticker, I have yet to empty my first full tank to know which end of the stick I'm holding :shock:

Someone asked what the mileage ratings were, and I think this prevents you from claiming any lemon laws unfortunately. Here's the sticker from my manual:

31: 26-36mpg in the city
34: 28-40mpg on the highway

So if you are averaging 27mpg, that's a 50/50 split on the low end of acceptable. Certainly worth taking it in to find out if anything can be done, but it looks like you're just at the low end of their rating system. Many people report better mileage later on, probably as the rings seal better and provide more efficient combustion. You might have rings that didn't seal right from the start, make sure you're not burning oil, I think that would be another symptom.

I started the sentence with IMO = In My Opinion. I thought it was a discussion, anyone's welcome to chime in.

You told us what your driving habits are - 70 MPH.

It just seems like a lot of time spent for $200-300 a year on avg. Not to mention possibly an attorney and experts if you're taking them to court. It's not an easy fight...

Claim of poor gas mileage insufficient to meet lemon law. Robbins v. Toyota, 95 New Jersey Adm. Rep. 19 (Lemon Law Unit 1993)

Alleged Poor gas mileage is not covered under Lemon Law. Hassmiller v. Ford Motor Company, 97 N.J.A.R.2d (CMA) 10.

very interesting read bro, altho it does state that most poor gas milage claims are filed as breach of warranty.. 8)

sooo scion advised me that i need to fill 3 more tanks of gas, and drive under 3500 rpm at all times, i tried to explain we basically already did that..since the start of our trip to west palm....that was 2 tanks , and then a third after we got back into Jax...they now want us to fill up 3 more times...this however would put me past the 60 days the lemon law booklet states i have to file a claim, is this a ploy to exceeed those said limits? What do u all think? :(

sooo scion advised me that i need to fill 3 more tanks of gas, and drive under 3500 rpm at all times, i tried to explain we basically already did that..since the start of our trip to west palm....that was 2 tanks , and then a third after we got back into Jax...they now want us to fill up 3 more times...this however would put me past the 60 days the lemon law booklet states i have to file a claim, is this a ploy to exceeed those said limits? What do u all think? :(

sooo scion advised me that i need to fill 3 more tanks of gas, and drive under 3500 rpm at all times, i tried to explain we basically already did that..since the start of our trip to west palm....that was 2 tanks , and then a third after we got back into Jax...they now want us to fill up 3 more times...this however would put me past the 60 days the lemon law booklet states i have to file a claim, is this a ploy to exceeed those said limits? What do u all think? :(

First, let me say I'm assuming Florida. From what I read, the only reference I can find to 60 days is "60 days after the "Lemon Law rights period" which would be

"Lemon Law rights period" means the period ending 24 months after the date of the original delivery of a motor vehicle to a consumer.

http://www.yourlemonlawrights.com/state_laws/florida.htm#Lemon-Laws

You've already started the ball rolling, I think your OK on that scene.

I haven't calculated my mileage day-to-day...maybe I should do that.

I did however, calculate my mileage goin' 80mph across Arkansas, and I got 35mpg. That was during a trip from Texas to Cincinnati, Ohio and I got around 34mpg during the trip (all highway miles).

With my trip to BOTI, I burned 11.36 gallons in about 240 miles. I'm pleased with that considering the time I saved. Without going into detail, the caravan was almost an hour ahead of me and I beat them to Bakersfield... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I haven't calculated my mileage day-to-day...maybe I should do that.

I did however, calculate my mileage goin' 80mph across Arkansas, and I got 35mpg. That was during a trip from Texas to Cincinnati, Ohio and I got around 34mpg during the trip (all highway miles).

i didnt even break 28 mpg on my all xpressway trip to West Palm..thats my biggest issue....

and TheScionicMan, that must be what i read, i thought the LINMIT was 60 days, i will go re read my booklt tonite, thank u for pointing that out! 8)