Hey everybody, I remember seeing a post a long time ago where I guy got ATTACKED for posting about how he took out his rear seats, and nobody could believe his stupidity.

"Why would you take out our rear seats?? they RECLINE line in a Maybach!!"
"NOW where are you gonna shag??"
"Now your cargo space is practically unuseable because all the innards are exposed"
"if you wanted a 2 seater, you should've bought one"

Well, I got tired of how my car felt so bloated whenever I had one of my big guy buddies in the car (300+ lbs) and I could stand to lose some weight myself (230lbs.... yah) or even my girlfriend who isn't "exactly" a supermodel (undisclosed weight as the gods would banish me for eternity) SOOOO I started ripping crap out of the car and throwing it on my digital scale (accurate to 0.5%), and decided what I NEEDED and what I didn't. BUT I stupidly threw away the paper I was writing everything down on after I was done with it, and could've used it to give 100% accuracy to the weight of things in the car (Doh!) But I will say, I'll put an asterisk (*) next to the things I remember accurate, and the others are probably accurate but I don't want somebody ripping out the part and proving me wrong. (also, your results may vary, I had extra crap in my car too, as I'm sure we all do) The end total was within a few lbs of what I got last night, so I know it's close enough to matter. Oh, and the # symbol means I put it back in for aesthetics.


Without further Ado:
rear floor mat .8lbs EACH #
front floor mat 3.6lbs EACH #
cargo MDF floor cover 3.4lbs #
rear cargo cover mat 4.2lbs #
*CD's 2.4lbs # (replaced with Ipod)
*rear seat bottom 10.1lbs
*rear seat top 44.2lbs
*rear seat belt bottoms 2.2lbs
*bolts for rear seats & belts 1.1lbs
engine cover 2.3lbs
*spare tire 23.0lbs
*jack 4.6lbs
center spare foam w/acc 5.2lbs
*rear left & right foam 1.1lbs #
*rear plastic & fabric molding 11.2lbs** SEE NOTE
*Glove compartment accessories 3.3lbs (owners manual +other junk)
*road side assistance kit 19.6lbs
*winter emergency kit 4.8lbs
*Official Scion car cover 6.2lbs

Total = 157.7lbs
Total removed after putting back in parts = 139.2lbs
NOTE: I have custom mounted displays for my amplifiers in the MDF that rests against the back seats, probably adds 5lbs at the MOST, so should be more like 6lbs. - I'll be putting it back in as soon as my system is finished.
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Ok... now I'm sure I'll hear it, but you should listen to my side of the story here about the back seats.... I have owned my TC for 1year and 10months and in that time, I have had 3 instances where I needed my back seats, once the FIRST DAY I got the car and was showing it off to people and had everybody piled in the car, and another where a buddy went with me and my GF to the movies from the mall and didn't want to take 2 cars. The third is undisclosed Christening my TC *ahem*. THAT'S IT. Other than that, I don't use the back seats and leave them folded flat every day. IF I ever needed them again, I could just put them in before I go out somewhere, it's only 12 bolts (including seat belt bolts) to get it back in, which would take me about 30mins.

Phew.. ok - now I also did a little more calculations on weight, found that standard US Gasoline weighs between 5.8-6.5lbs/gallon, so at that our tank weighs 84.1-94.25lbs. (say 90 to be even) - 1 Gallon of water weighs 8.33lbs, so figuring that in for the windshield washer fluid that would be about 8lbs. If you drive around all day long with 1/2 a tank of gas, that saves 45lbs and the windshield washer fluid saves say, about 5lbs at 1/4-1/2 full. ALL THE WHILE NOT SPENDING $0.01

That's nearly 200lbs off a fully streetable car and the only crompromise is rear seats. I also bought a can of FIX A FLAT (also have AAA) and put it in the back with the keys to my wheel locks, so that added 2.1lbs AND cost me $3.47. I'm looking into getting and Odyssey PC680 battery (14.8lbs to replace the stocker (38lbs) at a cost of $100.

That's nearly 250lbs off a fully streetable car that just won't "look" as pretty in the interior for $103.47 and require 2x the gas stops to fill 1/2 way. I do have sound deadener on the way and doing the ENTIRE car will add 56lbs not accounting for removing stock deadener. Your choice. Oh, and I do plan to go AutoX'ing this year and there is a DEFINITE handling difference with 1/4 tank of gas, but now the rear is too light because almost everything came off the mid-rear of the car, time to strip the engine bay, maybe custom mount all the fluid tanks in the now empty rear floor as cutouts with plexiglass, custom mount the battery like Raamaudio did in the rear above the passenger side axel... hmm... :love:

Most of it makes sense and if you don't need it, might as well take it out.

As for the autox-ing and gas... I'd recommend 1/2 tank there. Otherwise you might get some stalling around sharp right turns if you have 1/4 tank. I've had it and I know a few others have on here. There was some thread we were comparing in.

Thats actually impressive. That takes the car down to a 2750 LB car. That is a HUGE difference when comparing cars. Anyone that says it isnt. Look back to VS threads where people claim this car is faster than this car because of a few measly couple hundred pounds.

On the other hand, stripping the interior will possibly take you out of STS?? in autocross and make your running alittle harder to compete.

Just be careful with the Fix-A-Flat stuff. I have heard that stuff can throw off the "flat tire" sensor in our cars.

The other thing about fix-a-flat is that often they are unable to patch a tire after that stuff has been used. So it should be just emergencies only. But if you're taking out the spare and getting that stuff, you're probably aware of it anways. :)

Well, my plan was in case of emergency when I can't call AAA or someone else to get me/tow my car, then just enough to get me home where I have my stock wheels w/winter/all season tires I can run on until the tire gets fixed/replaced. I'm just hoping the fix-a-flat won't damage the tire/aftermarket wheels, or stop them from being able to re-use the tire if the foam causes any damage...

On the stalling issue on low tank, I've had it happen to me during an autoX and had to go get gas between runs LOL - Our tank is shaped like an oval that's flat on top and bottom, with suction from the center of the tank, so when it gets really low the tank sloshes and moves the gas away from suction.

OH and also, PLEASE keep in mind I kept things in my car that a stock car WOULD NOT HAVE - like the road side assistance kit, winter kit, car cover, amps, CD's etc for an estimated total of 40.4lbs over a stock car, so anyone else with a totally stock car would only see a reduction of 117.3lbs after removal. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY FROM MINE!! I carried more crap than stock around with me. SOO I think the 2950 quoted weight of the TC is dry weight - meaning no gas - meaning my car weighs 2832 DRY after what I did, but that's not counting my other mods like lightweight wheels/tires saving 41lbs over stock total. I'm estimating my car weighs under 2800lbs dry, or 3066 with 1/2 a tank of gas AND me in it.

Wow, the rear seat top is 44lbs? I might have to think about taking that out next time I goto the track.

You can't get to half of the bolts holding the rear seat top unless you pull out the rear seat cushion by grabbing the front and back of one side of the seat and pulling up with force until you hear it snap, then do the other side, and slide it out towards the front seats (you'll see the metal brackets holding it in you need to slide out) and don't forget to push the seat belt snaps through the seat, I got confused why it wasn't coming out when I was pulling :loser: - the rear seat bolts are covered up by the MDF flap, to remove it, there are 10mm or 11mm bolts under the metal rings to hold the carpet down, pop the center up with a flathead screwdriver (I used my scion key, just as easy) then you can pull the entire MDF board out, and the plastic piece under that is just held in by clips. Total weight saved from rear seat top and bottom, and plastic/MDF removed = 60+lbs - total time = 15-20mins.

weird question. Do you (or someone) have pics of the rear seats removed? I was wondering if the small eu-700 subs might be able to fabbed under the rear seats. I know its along shot, but it would be a nice hide.

gj on the right up!

I don't have pics, but I could take some - it's not pretty under there (yet) too much bare metal, will look a lot better once my ensolite and raammat are down. I'll try and get some pics tonight (after 5pm EST)

The pic below should give you an idea of starting weight. That is on a state certified scale, so it is very accurate. Those scales move in increments of 20 lbs, so it could be 10 lbs off at most. That is a 5 spd with 1/2 tank of gas and my laptop bag inside.

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SWEET you saved me the trip to the weigh scales Engifineer! Thanks man

sure the back seats recline, but they aren't that comfortable sitting in them reclined as the bottom doesn't move and it has the indent for your a$$ so it kinda hits your tailbone, haha. and it doesn't take your head any further from the rear glass either. heck, the back seat is for passengers and they usually don't pay for gas so who needs em and the weight they add to our not-so-light cars! @-)

I wasn't aware that they were so heavy.. I think I'm going to have to remove them.

I would like to see the pics to see how it looks without them.

you notice a differance in the way ti accels now?

Otocan,
Great to see somebody embracing weight control issues, it makes a huge difference!!!
As for the back seats, I have mine out almost always but will sometimes need them so considering rebuilding the seat backs internals out of aluminum and delete the recline feature, this should save around 25lbs or so.
I would use a set of our Schroth 3 point belts for any passenger are well, they are less weight than the stock belts and I can convert them to snap in and hook them to some forged eyebolts like we did for the front belts.

That way we can change in a few minutes from full race harnesses to the Schroths which are more comfortable and easier to get into and out of for road trips, etc.
I have alot of money in hanesses!!!!


Moving the battery to the rear will really make a nice handling improvement, gauranteed!

Rick

there is an obvious difference in the way it does everything, especially oversteer because of what I did to the weight balance. Acceleration is better (most noticeably in the top RPM ranges, just keeps pulling) braking is firmer before ABS lock, turn-in has improved, and shifting the weight of the car side to side is much smoother. Oh, and rear view is improved because you don't need to worry about the rear seat getting in the way. OH and the more weight you pull off your car, the better your MPG gets :clap:

The only downside aside of the obvious is NOISE - you can hear all the rocks and dirt pinging against the metal underneath where the seats used to be, and against the rear where the spare used to be. Also my TRD exhaust is louder inside when you step on it, but not much changed at cruising. Sound deadener should fix that, and should make it even better than when it was stock even with everything removed.

Rick, I was also thinking of fabbing brackets for race seats for the rear, but that would be way, way down the road when I replace the fronts and have less important things to look into.

If you're serious about shedding every pound possible, you can also take out:

-front passenger seat
-floor carpet
-rear seat side trim
-hatch trim
-hatch side trim
-headunit
-speakers
-glovebox
-center armrest/console

You would be left with the:
-center dash (you might need those hazard lights)
-driver's seat
-shift knob

I drove to Home Depot like this when I was getting tools to do my sound deadening project. It was LOUD in there without having anything to absorb the sound. The car had an echo! I did do a few WOT runs and the car did feel a bit quicker! But i guess you would only do this if you were doing your auto-x, drag, auto-w, racing thingymabob, whatever you gearheads do.

engine cover 2.3 lbs? is that accurate? also to the people that were talking about fix a flat the main reason you shouldnt try to use it is so when the guy that changes your tire at the tire shops breaks the bead on the tire the cr** goes all over him and he gets ____ed and scratches your rim haha

I carry tire plugs and a very small compressor, total weight less than three pounds and I only take it on road trips, not local drives.

The rear area is not really big enough for race seats, I have looked into it a bit already but may check again.

Rick

The engine cover was one of those things I wasn't sure of, hence the no asterisk, it was X.3 I just couldn't remember what "X" equaled, it was either 1.3 or 2.3 and I am seriously leaning towards 2.3 because of all the foam they have underneath that cover, but my memory could serve me incorrectly because it wasn't the most unawkward thing to hold. But the scale doesn't lie (much) and it said it weighed enough to warrant removal. "What the Scale Says, Goes."

There was a tC at SEMA this last year that had 4 racing seats in it. I seen it once and couldnt remember where it was at. Cause I want to do the same thing in mine.

Great right up. I am going to weigh my car cause I think I have gone the other way and added I bet 500lbs atleast. LOL. I will try and get it weighed here in the next day or two and see what mine weighs. I dont think I want to know though. LOL

alright, took about 40 pics, gotta weed out the good from the bad, most are multiples, but feel free to chime in what you want to see I took views from the windows, the back with hatch open and closed, back with carpet removed and hatch open, front seats back, driver's door back, and all the storage areas that are empty heh

PICS ARE UP!!! Click to go bigger - If you're wondering what that is in my trunk, it's all the things I need in baggies wrapped in paper towels so they won't clank together. I kept the foam in so I could still use the false floor, I'm probably going to mod it so the floor is more supported so I can still use it, I can't put really heavy objects in the center of the rear because the MDF will bow. Them 'der Police searches 'gonna go lots smoother now :rofl:

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a must to take out for weight savings is all the sound deatining stuff.......its like aspahult.....it takes alot of work to scrape it out, but it saves alot of weight and makes your car a whole lot louder

you should of just made your gf go on a diet and called it a day! :P jk man. looks like u had fun tearing everything out.

so I went and had the car weighed last night on the certified scale and sad to say. with me in the car and I weigh 270 it is 3460. The guy there asked me if it was fast and I laughed and said "not at this weight".

This reminds of a post where this guy installed an intake and was like "Dude with my fat ___ friend in the car the car rides just at stock levels!" And I said, "How about you tell your fat ___ friend to get out the car and then we'll see how fast you go."

Anyways...you hada be there to understand the hilarity.

Oh yeah and back on topic...I suggest loosin the weight.

If I wanted to ride in a box with an engine and wheels I wouldnt have bought a tC (or an xB for you jokers).

i did the same thing the other day as well. took out all cds and jus left my registration, insurance, and first aid kit.

stripped all the seats and seatbelt buckles and spare etc. Put on my CF hood.

Never knew about the battery. sounds good. u think anyone will buy my stock battery?

Hmmm... I wonder how much weight would be saved if you replace the roof glass with carbon fiber? Not that I would do that, well not yet anyways. I'll wait till I make more money, and can make my tC a serious time attack machine. :D

^^ About 60 lbs. There is a post one here where this was done. The whole roof assembly weights about 68 lbs I think including the glass.

actually raamaudio weighed the roof to weigh 61.5lbs and estimated the CF roof to weigh 12-14lbs (which he later found it to be correct) so that is a total of 47.5lbs off the WORST part of the car for weight, let alone chassis rigidity.

I so want that... Kaminari doesn't want to hear it from me though.

great write up! Props to you Otocan.

yea good stuff, and u really do feel the difference when u take out everything. the car feels so light, with a cf hatch and roof it would be great, but worth the money for me at least.

i saved 250 lbs today by not letting my friend tag along...

Most of it makes sense and if you don't need it, might as well take it out.

As for the autox-ing and gas... I'd recommend 1/2 tank there. Otherwise you might get some stalling around sharp right turns if you have 1/4 tank. I've had it and I know a few others have on here. There was some thread we were comparing in.

On right hand skid pad turns I have to have over 3/4 tank.

I so want that... Kaminari doesn't want to hear it from me though.

kaminari wont make another?

i saved 250 lbs today by not letting my friend tag along... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

did u notice a diffrencr in performance

did u notice a diffrencr in performance

See 8th post up from the bottom on the first page.

i'm real interested to see if anyone has stripped signifigant weight from the engine compartment yet... given the tC's front/back weight ratio, i'd think slimming the front down would be more beneficial to handling. anybody wieghed the stock front bumper and fenders yet?

Wow, those are heavy, when I installed my Front Grill, I took the front bumber off, and even if it was cheap plastic it certainly was somewhat heavy.

Wow that's what I was wondering when I read this thread. The front/rear weight ratio is already pretty bad on the car. A lot of the weight you removed is from the BACK.... That must throw it off even more.

i saved 250 lbs today by not letting my friend tag along...

hahh! best way 2 save weight drive alone

If I took all those things out I still wouldn't be able to make up the weight on me. I weigh 195 lbs.

the stock buckets are lead weights too. i too took them out to run my amp wires and i thought i was gonna throw my back out. to bad i dont have anyplace to store the entire interior, or i would strip everything from the dash all the way back, replacing the seats with a set of fiberglass recaros. the service dept would probably crap themselves when i took it in for an oil change :rofl:

i saved 250 lbs today by not letting my friend tag along...

hahh! best way 2 save weight drive alone

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c68/THansenite/Avitars/FastSticker.jpgMy fast likes to keep things light and streamlined.

you got too much time on your hands buddy.

heard that man! But pretty interesting write up though. Good stuff. Don't realize how much all that crap weighs until you see something like this!

Does anyone know the exact weight on the front seats with airbags? Curious

hmmm.......hey man u could have juss lost the weight urself buddy......instead of stripping ur car.....im sorry just my opinion.....

thanks for the insight, 230-160=70lbs - not too sure it's healthy to be 70lbs, but thanks. oh, and too late, I already did, and I'm still working on it. Just broke the sub-200lbs category for myself. Losing about 2lbs/week.

So, that means by calculations, my car (including me in it) weighs 2980lbs on race day, give or take.

Not bad, seeming how the stock car weighs 2950 with nobody in it and a half a tank of gas.

who cares if people give you ____ for removing seats. Its your car, if you want it lighter then so be it. Great job removing the excess weight in the tc...every 100lbs will get you a tenth of a second off your quarter times.

I pulled out my spare as well, if i get a flat I have a wife to come get me with one of my stock wheels thats sitting in my garage. Might as well get something out of marriage right? =)

Curious what it would take to lose 300-400 lbs. Anyone ever find out what the stock seats weigh? Maybe 50?

^^Definitly something like that

there is no feasable way to lose 3-400lbs off the vehicle and still make it a useable daily driver unless you spend a lot, lot, LOT of money.

a Carbon Fiber hood will save about 10lbs, a CF trunk will save about 25lbs, a CF roof will save about 45lbs. Carbon fiber front side fenders will save about 10lbs combined. You've already spend over $2,000 in just parts alone on those carbon fiber parts, and noone without a full shop and full mechanical arsenal can install a carbon fiber roof.

The numbers I gave are initially true, and running low fluids and stripping the car out as I did makes it still a feasable daily driver, and I would guess the front seats are about 40lbs each, you could cut that in half with aftermarket seats and save another 40lbs at a cost of about $1500 for high quality race seats that actually weigh less than stock (some e-bay race seats actually weigh just as much as stock as they don't use any special materials or bracing)

To knock another 100lbs off the car past what I've mentioned, you would either have to spend thousands of dollars, or literally rip the car down to it's shell with race seats, and even then, I don't think the entire interior would weigh 100lbs.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Prototype_xB/100_2026.jpg



makes sense to me......

there is no feasable way to lose 3-400lbs off the vehicle and still make it a useable daily driver unless you spend a lot, lot, LOT of money.

a Carbon Fiber hood will save about 10lbs, a CF trunk will save about 25lbs, a CF roof will save about 45lbs. Carbon fiber front side fenders will save about 10lbs combined. You've already spend over $2,000 in just parts alone on those carbon fiber parts, and noone without a full shop and full mechanical arsenal can install a carbon fiber roof.

The numbers I gave are initially true, and running low fluids and stripping the car out as I did makes it still a feasable daily driver, and I would guess the front seats are about 40lbs each, you could cut that in half with aftermarket seats and save another 40lbs at a cost of about $1500 for high quality race seats that actually weigh less than stock (some e-bay race seats actually weigh just as much as stock as they don't use any special materials or bracing)

To knock another 100lbs off the car past what I've mentioned, you would either have to spend thousands of dollars, or literally rip the car down to it's shell with race seats, and even then, I don't think the entire interior would weigh 100lbs.

what about user comforts like speakers, ac and such?
I'd imagine going through all this trouble to lose weight would be easier and cheaper with the tC spec edition.

what about user comforts like speakers, ac and such?
I'd imagine going through all this trouble to lose weight would be easier and cheaper with the tC spec edition.

Very true

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/403392/1

Thats real weight reduction. My buddies probe. And what my probe will look like after I get a tC. :P

edit: not a daily driver. but he dropped around 900lbs...no ac, no interior, nothing.... its a blast to ride in though

You can make a false floor out of some lightweight composite wood. Sturdy for heavy objects but light enough to save weight.

nice job, man. looks like it was definitely worth the short time it took you to do it!

Who said ANYTHING about a street car? lol I was asking to know the potential to lose 3-400 lbs.

haha nice that makes this car very light =D

I know it's been a while since anyone posted here but I'm going to post this here anyway. To save a few bills ($400-$500) instead of a cf hood you could buy a couple hood pins and strip the metal support on the bottom of the hood. The metal support will probably be about 5-10lbs and the hood pins look kinda nice and help keep the hood as rigid as it is with the underhood support. I saw it done on a sentra budget racer in a magazine a few years back and plan on doing it myself on my car. Will post how much weight it saves and if it still looks ok with it removed.

I know it's been a while since anyone posted here but I'm going to post this here anyway. To save a few bills ($400-$500) instead of a cf hood you could buy a couple hood pins and strip the metal support on the bottom of the hood. The metal support will probably be about 5-10lbs and the hood pins look kinda nice and help keep the hood as rigid as it is with the underhood support. I saw it done on a sentra budget racer in a magazine a few years back and plan on doing it myself on my car. Will post how much weight it saves and if it still looks ok with it removed.
I think you're talking about SCC's project, as I remember that series of articles. Problem is, once they did as you described, they found the hood would deform in the center, so they had to add a third pin in the middle for that solution to work. I also seem to recall them saying that after they used it that way for a while, they decided it wasn't really worth the effort or trade-off for any small benefit it may have provided.

The point of the article was to show how they could, with very little money, accomplish the same performance mods as the guys who spent big bucks. They also used 1/2 inch plywood to make a splitter for ~$5, compared to the guy that spent $400 on a CF splitter that didn't function any better.

Who said ANYTHING about a street car? lol I was asking to know the potential to lose 3-400 lbs.


This would do the trick :silly:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0208_technical_assistance_program/

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That would be scary to drive.

That's awsome. I was thinking about taking out my seats n stuff too but is there anytype of cover for the seat area for the tC? My friend has a mini and took out his seats and bought a cover or some peice that was made to put over the area that was very light weight, but kept it from looking bad & bare.

That's awsome. I was thinking about taking out my seats n stuff too but is there anytype of cover for the seat area for the tC? My friend has a mini and took out his seats and bought a cover or some peice that was made to put over the area that was very light weight, but kept it from looking bad & bare.

Maybe get some custom made. That would be Awsome.

Ahh... thats a good idea.. but where couldI get something like that?

An Aluminum Sheet Place that welds and do things like that. U maybe can get them polished also. Very show like.

ahhhhhhh cool! im going to research that see what I come up with. Thanks!

I've been thinking about taking my rear seats out for some time. I hate driving passengers - tC s drive like tanks with 4 (even 2) in the car. I have the seats folded down and my sub box on top of them. I figure, what the hell? get some felt and glue it to the space under the seats, you'll have to fab somehting up to make it flat but that wont be hard. I figure I'll put a spot to mount the subs when the added weight of sound quality isn't an issue.

Sounds like fun, I did all that stripping for a 11 sec Mustang I had a few years ago.

It's very easy to strip all that weight, I have done it quite a few times and reverse it, on the tC.

does anyone know about how much the driver and passanger door pannels weigh?

Does anyone know how much the front seats weigh? and the weight savings to be had with lightweight seats?

In the year that I worked in a tire store I've never had any problems with a tire that someone had put fix a flat in. Generally if you break the bead on the tire when taking it off the rim, if the guy/girl who put the sh|t in there in the first place read directions and drove on it at 30 mph for a few miles, you don't have a problem. It just makes the cleanup a little more difficult. All in all, fix a flat is an easy way to save pounds when removing the spare tire and doesn't affect whether or not you can patch the hole afterwards. :come: If the hole could be patched before the can of FaF was put in, it can be patched after.

I just stumbled across this thread......

To cut 3 or 4 hundred pounds from your TC you would need to remove the airbags, hvac system, ac compressor rear seats, dash pads glove box spare tire items all interior padding panels carpet and do not frget headliner visors and any other easily removed interior components.

The HVAC system alone should shave about 100 pounds off the car.

I think someone was referring to the SCC article (done some time ago) where they stripped all the HVAC system and most of the interior (and I think one of the rear handbrake cables...). I think it was a Civic that they did this to. It saved hella weight.

I like the research data that was presented. For me, I don't autocross or do anything that would require my tC to become a stripped-down can-on-wheels. I love quiet. I love amenities. I love comfort.

I think someone should go all the way by stripping all unnecessary hardware, leaving just a driver's seat and steering wheel (like a demolition derby vehicle but without a roll cage). Better yet, take off the body hardware and just drive around on the chassis...that would be sweet :loser: