Alright guys and girls of Scion Life. Tommorow I will start my 13 hour journey from FL to ZPI Racing Headquarters in Louisville, KY. I will be dropping my 06 Auto xB off to Kenny and the crew for 9 days of customization. That's right, im going to be the auto guinea pig for their new turbo. So over the next 9 days the ZPI crew will be testing and tunning the car, till it's perfect and all us auto's can take part in the ZPI turbo experience. Also over the next 9 days ZPI wil be posting updates, hopefully some dyno numbers, pics, vids and answering any question's you might have.

The only bad part for me is that I will be on vacation for the whole 9 days (oh darn vacation) and won't be anywhere near a computer or the internet to see the cars progress. So you all will know more about whats going on with my car than I will. After the install, i will post updates on how the car is running, performing and ofcourse how enjoyable it is to have. So please don't be afraid to ask questions and as always comments are welcome.
Stay tuned.......

I now turn this thread over to ZPI Racing:

the fuji is interested

Be safe driving up here....

Be safe driving up here....

Oh I will be, plus i'll have my mini me with me. So safety will be number 1...

may the force be with you.... have fun

I know you guys are still in the early development stages on all of the xB/xA kits so I don't want to sound pushy. But I do have one word for you guys... CARB. :)

I know quite a few California natives would be quite happy if we could legally get the ZPI turbo over here.

And just to show you that us CA guys can try and do our part to help make it happen, here are a couple of links so you don't have to go searching.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/topforms.htm
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/formc.pdf
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/formc.doc

Heck, if I knew how to fill the form out for you I would. :)

Sweet dude. Can't wait!

Glad to see you are the test subject and that your car is getting blown. Hopefully ZPI can pull off what they claim, then they will really turn some heads. In my eyes it's all about who can do it better, quicker, and more efficient.

Good luck on your 9 day journey!

Can't wait to see this...Drive safe and have a great vacation.....

Good luck with everything man, can't wait to see it in person!

What? Are you that scared, Billy? Now you have to go get a turbo setup before the Scion Drag race? hah... Now, where's that nitrous bottle?

Have a safe trip and hope all goes well!

Good luck man and does no carb mean failed inspection??

Good luck man and does no carb mean failed inspection??

CARB = California Air Resource Board

They basically crap over anything we try to do to our cars whether or not it runs cleaner than the original car, most of the time you fail the visual inspection and they never even know if the car would've passed the actual smog test.

Also, I second RTon20's I am waiting for a kit that is CARB legal, the creator will get my money. There's a pretty interesting ITB product coming out too, also looking at that.

Exactly what fcastle said. The thing about CARB exempt parts is that if you find the right smog shop and can pass the dyno sniffer you can run pretty much any part you want. The problems arise when a cop pulls you over for whatever reason and asks you to pop the hood. If he has been properly trained and sees anything out of the ordinary he can nail you right there for having "illegal equipment." And most times that leads to an impound.

Bottom line CARB exists only so that it can exist. It is just one more form of government bureaucracy here in CA that no one else has to deal with.

has anyone seen dyno numbers from their manual tranny turbo kit yet? Also, what will they do with your auto tranny to handle the extra power and tq?

Im back........ Let me tell you 27 hours in a car isn't fun. But my duaghter and I are back in FL safe and sound and now it's time to enjoy vacation.

I must tell you all if you are ever near Louisville, Ky, our want to make the trip, go to ZPI and stop in. Kenny, Keisha and Mark are some of the nicest and most down to earth people I have ever meet, they treated me and talked to me like they had known me for ever. Kenny gave me a tour of all the facilities and showed me all the tC's that they are hard at work on and some other great things that im proably not allowed to talk about yet. :P But beware of the big guard dog at the shop, she will eat you alive, LoL, Kenny you better watch out my daughter is gonna come steal Sofie (hope I spelled her name right).

I was going to try and answer the post above me, about the dyno and the what the auto tranny will hold, but im gonna let Kenny answer all this because he is the expert and i am not. But they are going to get my car on the dyno for a before and after number and im pretty sure it's going to blow away 116 hp.

Im off to vaction now, enjoy the thread and the progress of my car I will be back in 8 days to see the progress myself. And thanks again to Kenny, Keisha and Mark for their great hospitality and thanks Sofie for not biting me.

Im back........ Let me tell you 27 hours in a car isn't fun. But my duaghter and I are back in FL safe and sound and now it's time to enjoy vacation.

I must tell you all if you are ever near Louisville, Ky, our want to make the trip, go to ZPI and stop in. Kenny, Keisha and Mark are some of the nicest and most down to earth people I have ever meet, they treated me and talked to me like they had known me for ever. Kenny gave me a tour of all the facilities and showed me all the tC's that they are hard at work on and some other great things that im proably not allowed to talk about yet. :P But beware of the big guard dog at the shop, she will eat you alive, LoL, Kenny you better watch out my daughter is gonna come steal Sofie (hope I spelled her name right).

I was going to try and answer the post above me, about the dyno and the what the auto tranny will hold, but im gonna let Kenny answer all this because he is the expert and i am not. But they are going to get my car on the dyno for a before and after number and im pretty sure it's going to blow away 116 hp.

Im off to vaction now, enjoy the thread and the progress of my car I will be back in 8 days to see the progress myself. And thanks again to Kenny, Keisha and Mark for their great hospitality and thanks Sofie for not biting me.

Remember the 116whp is with no aftermaket intake or exhaust. Since I have a dyno here, I will be dynoing gains from each modification added. I think its better to know what you get with each thing rather than spending a ton of money on things that might not have been needed. First thing I will do is bump the fuel pressure up, dyno, tune the emanage, add exhaust, dyno, tune, injectors, dyno, tune, fuel pump is necessary, dyno and tune.

ZPI making an ATF cooler, or using the blitz one, or not using one at all?

ZPI making an ATF cooler, or using the blitz one, or not using one at all?

I know they are talking about producing an ATF cooler and possibly an oil cooler. I brought a B&M one with me to be installed.

Thanks for the kind words....I am in houston this weekend tuning a car so i think the project is on hold a bit. I know it was almost back together when i left look for some driving expirence and videos next week.

Thanks again for the support and I look forward to our xB line to be as great as our tC line.

-Kenny

:O you tuning Peteyd's tC?

Bump: this thread is not dead, updates and all the other good stuff will be coming soon, i promise you. I think you will all :love: it. :clap: and hats off to ZPI and their accomplishments on the dyno with the manual tranny xB.

cant wait for you to see the updates on your car man, i havent been this excited about working on something in a long time. i actually cant wait for the weekend to be over so we can work on it more.

cant wait for you to see the updates on your car man, i havent been this excited about working on something in a long time. i actually cant wait for the weekend to be over so we can work on it more.

Joey you slacker, work thru the weekend :lol: , you dont need days off or sleep. :rofl:
Im sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for updates. :nails:

cant wait for you to see the updates on your car man, i havent been this excited about working on something in a long time. i actually cant wait for the weekend to be over so we can work on it more.

Joey you slacker, work thru the weekend :lol: , you dont need days off or sleep. :rofl:
Im sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for updates. :nails:

lol, i would but last night was kennys bachelor party, and well, im still drunk at 2:34pm

cant wait for you to see the updates on your car man, i havent been this excited about working on something in a long time. i actually cant wait for the weekend to be over so we can work on it more.

Joey you slacker, work thru the weekend :lol: , you dont need days off or sleep. :rofl:
Im sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for updates. :nails:

lol, i would but last night was kennys bachelor party, and well, im still drunk at 2:34pm

Oh man, i bet it was one heck of a night. Get some rest and update me tommorow, my good man.

Well it's been along time coming, but hopefully tommorow ZPI will be taking my car to the Dyno and it will hopefully be shipped out on Mon. So stay tunned.........

wow, 9 days turned into 6 weeks pretty quickly...

wow, 9 days turned into 6 weeks pretty quickly...

LOL, welcome to automotive...Most places never deliver within the "estimated" time. It happens everywhere.

Well it's been along time coming, but hopefully tommorow ZPI will be taking my car to the Dyno and it will hopefully be shipped out on Mon. So stay tunned.........

So, how did it go today?

Well it's been along time coming, but hopefully tommorow ZPI will be taking my car to the Dyno and it will hopefully be shipped out on Mon. So stay tunned.........

So, how did it go today?

Well unfortunatley another SL members SC tC took up all their time today, so the Dyno is set for Mon. morning. and the car will be shipped Mon. night. So soon, very soon and I cant wait to have a really fun car to drive.Thanks for the inquiry thou Rollhard.

So i see youll have your car soon *wink wink* we still on right billy

So i see youll have your car soon *wink wink* we still on right billy

Ofcourse bro, no worries, that PM will be coming real soon. :P

Sorry to hear tha man. I thought the TC kits were finalized? Ah well. Anyways, I know what it feels like to wait for your car to be finished. Hopefully youll REALLY get it on Monday. In the meantime, try to have a good weekend. It will be an anxious one.

Sorry to hear tha man. I thought the TC kits were finalized? Ah well. Anyways, I know what it feels like to wait for your car to be finished. Hopefully youll REALLY get it on Monday. In the meantime, try to have a good weekend. It will be an anxious one.

Actually it was a super charger they were messing with(adding a water cooled intercooler and some other goodies) and patience is a virtue. You also have a good weekend and keep us updated in your thread on the new injectors.

wow, 9 days turned into 6 weeks pretty quickly...

LOL, welcome to automotive...Most places never deliver within the "estimated" time. It happens everywhere.

Ive run a shop. I never had that much of a difference in ETAs but thats just us. My favorite culprits of the screwed up promise times are body/paint shops. They always say 2 weeks for some reason. Then its always 2 months.

Sorry to hear tha man. I thought the TC kits were finalized? Ah well. Anyways, I know what it feels like to wait for your car to be finished. Hopefully youll REALLY get it on Monday. In the meantime, try to have a good weekend. It will be an anxious one.

Actually it was a super charger they were messing with(adding a water cooled intercooler and some other goodies) and patience is a virtue. You also have a good weekend and keep us updated in your thread on the new injectors.

My bad man, :lalala: I'm really anxious to see what they do with yours, It should be awesome.

billy, im starting to think that they are just gonna keep your car FOREVER.... (horror music plays in the background).....

but then again it is an auto so i really couldnt blame them for throwing it away........ jk man

Good luck, if it hits 160 ill be scared
180 ill be terrified
200 and ill find you a new block

well Billy hope everything looks good on the dyno!!
hope it hits some good numbers..cant wait to see it race one night! wanna see some nice numbers

Well, its Monday. Anyword on your car going tot he dyno?...or are they working on another Scion?

Today's the day

Today's the day

Lets hope so. :pray:


http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/xbilly/IMG_1715.jpg

Few more teasers. :P

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/xbilly/IMG_1716.jpg

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/xbilly/IMG_1717.jpg

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/xbilly/IMG_1718.jpg

Good luck with it man, hope it turns out good

K I L L E R!!!

Good luck Billy

Those aren't the new pipes from the benders are they? I thought you said previously that you were waiting on the new pipes from the benders.

^^ thats what i was thinking

Those aren't the new pipes from the benders are they? I thought you said previously that you were waiting on the new pipes from the benders.

The pipes on my car are the originals, everybody else will get the nice pretty one's from the benders. :P

are those pictures from today? If so, I guess youre still going to wait. The car is not ready to go from the looks of those pictures. The hoses dont even have clamps on there. The piping looks the same as the greddy ones, minus the welds.

are those pictures from today? If so, I guess youre still going to wait. The car is not ready to go from the looks of those pictures. The hoses dont even have clamps on there. The piping looks the same as the greddy ones, minus the welds.

No the pics are from the other day. The car shoud be done and hopefully be at the dyno right now. The piping may look similar in the front of the car but the rest is 100% differnt beleive me. :P

are those pictures from today? If so, I guess youre still going to wait. The car is not ready to go from the looks of those pictures. The hoses dont even have clamps on there. The piping looks the same as the greddy ones, minus the welds.

They are supposed to be on the dyno now.....

are those pictures from today? If so, I guess youre still going to wait. The car is not ready to go from the looks of those pictures. The hoses dont even have clamps on there. The piping looks the same as the greddy ones, minus the welds.

They are supposed to be on the dyno now.....

Lets hope so, I feel bad for ProshopXB

are those pictures from today? If so, I guess youre still going to wait. The car is not ready to go from the looks of those pictures. The hoses dont even have clamps on there. The piping looks the same as the greddy ones, minus the welds.

They are supposed to be on the dyno now.....

Lets hope so, I feel bad for ProshopXB

Thankyou for your concern Rollhard, but it is all good. Dont you worry ZPI is taking care of me real good. I'll keep you guys posted.

Any Updates??????


Mr. Wallabie :eyebrow:

curious to see the numbers your gonna put down :love:

curious to see the numbers your gonna put down :love:

Me to Vito, me to. :nails:


Update: The car is awesome. 8psi, no tranny slippage car pullls hard and sounds even cooler

The car was supposed to be dynoed and shipped tonight. But this has been put on hold until tommorow morning, due to them needing to adjust a couple of things on the car after some test street runs today.( Please remember before anybody starts flaming, my car is the first with the new turbo setup, so there will be adjusments that need to be done to make it perfect)

So Dyno tommorow and shippment. Sorry for the delay, but it will all be worth the wait when tommorow comes. :D

sounds good man...only thing that kind of bugs me a little bit is the fact that they never even tested the kit out :nails: ...your the first one to have it on the car. I hope they are cutting you a serious deal being that you are the guinnea pig for it and have no idea what kind of damage it could do to your car being that there is no R&D done. Good luck with everything , I hope it all works out for you bro :bow:

sounds good man...only thing that kind of bugs me a little bit is the fact that they never even tested the kit out :nails: ...your the first one to have it on the car. I hope they are cutting you a serious deal being that you are the guinnea pig for it and have no idea what kind of damage it could do to your car being that there is no R&D done. Good luck with everything , I hope it all works out for you bro :bow:

You are correct, I signed up to be the guinnea pig and knew exactly what I was getting my self into. But there is nothing like realworld testing and i'm more than glad to take a chance for all of the other xB's in the world, so they can have an awsome turbo kit.

:wink: Thankyou Vito for the all the encouragment and for being a pioneer/guinnea pig for all of us yourself. :clap:

sounds good man...only thing that kind of bugs me a little bit is the fact that they never even tested the kit out :nails: ...your the first one to have it on the car. I hope they are cutting you a serious deal being that you are the guinnea pig for it and have no idea what kind of damage it could do to your car being that there is no R&D done. Good luck with everything , I hope it all works out for you bro :bow:

Every prototype I have seen coming from companies I've dealt with are free. My friends elise kit was free. The parts we sell for the Noble M400 and M12, I gave to our customer for free. Thats how it goes...or how it should be.

You are correct, I signed up to be the guinnea pig and knew exactly what I was getting my self into. But there is nothing like realworld testing and i'm more than glad to take a chance for all of the other xB's in the world, so they can have an awsome turbo kit.

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I too signed up to be a lab rat and I'm awaiting issues too and will be able to solve them.. the end result is a smooth, impressive, strong product release from ZPI for all of you who want maximum power on a real-world car with maxium safety and reliablility.

I too signed up to be a lab rat and I'm awaiting issues too and will be able to solve them.. the end result is a smooth, impressive, strong product release from ZPI for all of you who want maximum power on a real-world car with maxium safety and reliablility.
I would say that statement is kind of an assumption...how is it gonna be safe and reliable if its never been tested before bro? :rofl:
Come on guys, it hasnt even been released yet to the general public, I think its very sad that they are using you guys to test the kit out on without really compensating you guys for it...it kind of makes sense I guess cause anything that breaks they arent responsible for cause its not their car :doh:

I too signed up to be a lab rat and I'm awaiting issues too and will be able to solve them.. the end result is a smooth, impressive, strong product release from ZPI for all of you who want maximum power on a real-world car with maxium safety and reliablility.
I would say that statement is kind of an assumption...how is it gonna be safe and reliable if its never been tested before bro? :rofl:
Come on guys, it hasnt even been released yet to the general public, I think its very sad that they are using you guys to test the kit out on without really compensating you guys for it...it kind of makes sense I guess cause anything that breaks they arent responsible for cause its not their car :doh:

Thats why I went with the Greddy kit. I knew I was going to turbo charge my car the week I did. I contact ZPI, Blitz, and Greddy with questions...with no answers from ZPI. Its funny, that this title keeps changing. What was a couple of weeks, turned to months, what was supposed to be Friday went to monday to tues, to today and now tomorrow? WTF?

I would say that statement is kind of an assumption...how is it gonna be safe and reliable if its never been tested before bro? :rofl:

Well it's been ran for quite a bit on their test xB, then Proshop's, now mine will be a test subject. The point is we are testing it so that others don't have to. To me it's all part of the fun. I have access to spare resources in case something goes wrong, and it probably will (as with anything else). If I blow an engine, I'll drop another one in.. to me it's not a big deal. I can't speak for Proshop, but I'm the type of person who has been doing this for a bit and enjoys the innovation part and being able to test new things. And yes if it blows up my car/is not safe/reliable then so be it, I'll be the first to tell you all so you don't buy it or consider it. And if it does succeed then I'll also be the first to report that I had a good experience with it. Personally I think this is going to be a lot of fun, no matter what happens...

I just wish you guys the best of luck. Vito and I have our opinions of the company you are dealing with and its just that....our opinion. I hope everything works out for you guys. Its just that this delay and lack of communication only supports our opinion even more. Where are they? Whats the problem? If there is one, why not explain it? I rather someone let me know whats going on then just not saying anything. If they dont want to answer my questions, why wont they tell me "no"? Why just ignore my posts? :lalala:

I just wish you guys the best of luck. Vito and I have our opinions of the company you are dealing with and its just that....our opinion. I hope everything works out for you guys. Its just that this delay and lack of communication only supports our opinion even more. Where are they? Whats the problem? If there is one, why not explain it? I rather someone let me know whats going on then just not saying anything. If they dont want to answer my questions, why wont they tell me "no"? Why just ignore my posts? :lalala:


Vito and Rollhard I have the utmost respect for you two guys, you know you stuff very well and I thankyou both for the knowledge you have and are passing on to all of us. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion on a company or anything, I have my opinion on many things and many companies and that is what makes life great. Where all not walking around like robots with the same idea's and opinions in life.

As for being the test subject for ZPI. I actively persued Kenny to be a test subject for them and as I stated before I knew exactly what I was getting myself into. They have R&D on all the major parts and components of the kit on there own car at the shop for over 4K miles, they just changed locations of a few things for the redesign.

You guys both know that delay's and $hit happens in buisness and in life. Im not sure where the lack of comunication is, I know exactly what is going on with my car, pretty much daily, since I talk to ZPI daily. So there is no lack of communication to me about my car. As for why they dont come on here and post. Well they dug themselves a hole and are in the process of digging themsleves out of it to make there company respectable again and take care of there customers. Which means thay are spending all there time assembling kits to ship and working on all the cars in the shop, so their is little time for them to get on the internet.

Rollhard if you need some questions answered let me know, I can proably get Nester (Sean) from ZPI to come on and help answer them for you. Just let me know.

I really dont want this thread to turn into a bash fest( i know you two arent bashing but others may come on and start to). I want it to be an informative thread, form a standpoint of a customer/ third party (me), not a company telling me thoughts of a kit. :relief: :D

Im excited to see the finished product. I saw the prototype when they brought their shop xB here to dyno it to get the numbers they have from before. We havent been contacted about dyno time so I'm assuming they arent for sure when they want to bring it, or they are going to make the trec to indiana to the dynojet.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the final design and what type of power it makes. Should be interesting.

Charles

We havent been contacted about dyno time so I'm assuming they arent for sure when they want to bring it, or they are going to make the trec to indiana to the dynojet.

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing the final design and what type of power it makes. Should be interesting.

Charles

They probably havent contacted you because the car was never going to be ready last week, monday, tuesday, wed or today.... :rofl:

ProshopXB, we are here for you man. Im only messing around here on the forums because I drive my xb daily. Even though I am at a shop, I started off as an enthusiast so I hate broken promises, etc. from shops, companies, etc. I know it happens a lot in this industry, and it shouldnt. We shouldnt settle for a lower standard. I know you are the one that pursued ZPI about this kit. Whether that was a mistake or not, thats up to you to decide. I approached them also...I wanted to sell their products for our shop here. I had questions that werent answered...oh well. The bottom line is I wont sell anything that I dont believe in 100%. Its just not going to happen. I hope your car is OK and there are no problems. A turbo kit really isnt that big of a deal. There are only so many different ways you can do the piping, manifold, turbo size, etc. I just didnt understand what the hold up was. I dont want to flame anyone or any company on here. Lets just say that everyone is watching. And the more broken promises are made, the more "ignoring" of questions, etc only hurt them. I could care less. Im on here for fun and not trying to sell anything. I just hope from our posts and discussions that we all learn something....whether it be parts, info about our cars or who to and who not to deal with.

We are not on the internet as much right now....We are hiring some people in the next few weeks and it will help with the online holding and handling the million phone calls so that your hold time should be elminated...

The hold up on the xB has been more than anything we had pipes bent as we are using the kit built on Billy's car as a production kit. We where so happy with the end product we want to use it on all of yopur xBs.

The car runs great and FYI you auto guys will get the full 7psi kit. We mount the turbo very low and use an external oil pump to get the oil back into the valve cover. The plus side of this is that you do not need to modify the block in order to have the kit installed.

Billys car is an auto we started the car from neutral once instead of park and the power wire we had been using for the pump was a keyed12volt source. For whatever reason this wire does not energize off a neutral start thus the pump not kicking and we gernaded a turbo...The problem being is that there is now a lot of oil in the exhaust and billys car has 2 resonators and a big muffler so we have to get the oil out before we can ship the car back.

The car will be dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dynometer more than likely. .. Thanks

We are not on the internet as much right now....We are hiring some people in the next few weeks and it will help with the online holding and handling the million phone calls so that your hold time should be elminated...

The hold up on the xB has been more than anything we had pipes bent as we are using the kit built on Billy's car as a production kit. We where so happy with the end product we want to use it on all of yopur xBs.

The car runs great and FYI you auto guys will get the full 7psi kit. We mount the turbo very low and use an external oil pump to get the oil back into the valve cover. The plus side of this is that you do not need to modify the block in order to have the kit installed.

Billys car is an auto we started the car from neutral once instead of park and the power wire we had been using for the pump was a keyed12volt source. For whatever reason this wire does not energize off a neutral start thus the pump not kicking and we gernaded a turbo...The problem being is that there is now a lot of oil in the exhaust and billys car has 2 resonators and a big muffler so we have to get the oil out before we can ship the car back.

The car will be dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dynometer more than likely. .. Thanks

I am wondering why you would use an external oil pump??? The mechanical pump on the engines raise oil pressure when the car is driven to higher rpms, etc. How are you guys controlling how much oil pressure is with the electric pump??

We are not on the internet as much right now....We are hiring some people in the next few weeks and it will help with the online holding and handling the million phone calls so that your hold time should be elminated...

The hold up on the xB has been more than anything we had pipes bent as we are using the kit built on Billy's car as a production kit. We where so happy with the end product we want to use it on all of yopur xBs.

The car runs great and FYI you auto guys will get the full 7psi kit. We mount the turbo very low and use an external oil pump to get the oil back into the valve cover. The plus side of this is that you do not need to modify the block in order to have the kit installed.

Billys car is an auto we started the car from neutral once instead of park and the power wire we had been using for the pump was a keyed12volt source. For whatever reason this wire does not energize off a neutral start thus the pump not kicking and we gernaded a turbo...The problem being is that there is now a lot of oil in the exhaust and billys car has 2 resonators and a big muffler so we have to get the oil out before we can ship the car back.

The car will be dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dynometer more than likely. .. Thanks

I am wondering why you would use an external oil pump??? The mechanical pump on the engines raise oil pressure when the car is driven to higher rpms, etc. How are you guys controlling how much oil pressure is with the electric pump??

I second that question.

We are not on the internet as much right now....We are hiring some people in the next few weeks and it will help with the online holding and handling the million phone calls so that your hold time should be elminated...

The hold up on the xB has been more than anything we had pipes bent as we are using the kit built on Billy's car as a production kit. We where so happy with the end product we want to use it on all of yopur xBs.

The car runs great and FYI you auto guys will get the full 7psi kit. We mount the turbo very low and use an external oil pump to get the oil back into the valve cover. The plus side of this is that you do not need to modify the block in order to have the kit installed.

Billys car is an auto we started the car from neutral once instead of park and the power wire we had been using for the pump was a keyed12volt source. For whatever reason this wire does not energize off a neutral start thus the pump not kicking and we gernaded a turbo...The problem being is that there is now a lot of oil in the exhaust and billys car has 2 resonators and a big muffler so we have to get the oil out before we can ship the car back.

The car will be dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics dynometer more than likely. .. Thanks

I am wondering why you would use an external oil pump??? The mechanical pump on the engines raise oil pressure when the car is driven to higher rpms, etc. How are you guys controlling how much oil pressure is with the electric pump??

I second that question.

What makes this kit so unique or different from all other turbo kits in the market that it needs an electric oil pump?? Nissan, Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford,...I have never seen a kit that needed an electric oil pump for the turbo. Sounds like something got F'd up. If a kit need an external oil pump to run 7.5 psi, its poorly made or not efficient at all.

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

Let's see what happens with Billy's car, he's right.. this is all about innovation/discovery... I can't wait to see the results...

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the kit they have designed is more like a remote mount then a standard it. It mounts the turbo down where the s-pipe would be on a tc which is lower then the oil pan. The pump is on the return side of the turbo oiling system since you can't use gravity to feed it back into the pan.

I'm confused about the whole nuetral start thing as a switched 12 volt source is constantly hot while the ignition is on. It should have never cycled power if I'm understanding what happened. Even if the car stalled and you fired it back up in nuetral, it should have kept working. I'd guess there was an issue somewhere else.

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

I appologize for that. I removed the picture. Something is just not right. For someone watching from the outside, there is definately something fishy going on. Why would you go with an extermal pump? First of all, this kit was meant to be a user friendly kit, bolt on power, 181whp maker, etc. Now, an external pump is involved? Not only does that raise the cost of the kit, it also raises the cost of the install. I think why someone would use an external pump...the only thing I can think of was that the engines mechanical oil pump did not work right. And in that case, if there is oil pump failure, you almost are guaranteed internal engine damage. The stock oil pump puts out more than enough pressure to oil cool a turbo. If the turbo is placed in a position where the stock pump cant get enough oil circulation through it,...its no longer an efficient turbo kit. You cant compress oil like you cold air. How much turbo lag are you asking for??? Youll have piping that rivals the length of the Great Wall of China.

Unfortunatley I can not answer why there is an external oil pump. But I know from the first day that I dropped the car off they were waiting on the oil pump to come in, so I dont beleive there is any issue with my factory oil pump.

Thankyou for taking the picture down.

Unfortunatley I can not answer why there is an external oil pump. But I know from the first day that I dropped the car off they were waiting on the oil pump to come in, so I dont beleive there is any issue with my factory oil pump.

Thankyou for taking the picture down.

NP, was your car on the dyno today?

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the kit they have designed is more like a remote mount then a standard it. It mounts the turbo down where the s-pipe would be on a tc which is lower then the oil pan. The pump is on the return side of the turbo oiling system since you can't use gravity to feed it back into the pan.


Charles you are correct about the turbo placement.

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/xbilly/IMG_1712.jpg

Unfortunatley I can not answer why there is an external oil pump. But I know from the first day that I dropped the car off they were waiting on the oil pump to come in, so I dont beleive there is any issue with my factory oil pump.

Thankyou for taking the picture down.

NP, was your car on the dyno today?

No they spent the day cleaning the oil out of the exhaust :rofl: and installing my new pulley.

Do you have a say in how your kit is put together? Really, the turbo there is not a good idea at all. Not only will you have lag beyond imagination, your turbo is vulnerable to road debris. The pipe they are using is rather large and for a 1.5L engine to kick out the exhaust/compress the air,...............err.....you get the point. I was only wondering if you had a say in this?

There are a few issues:

1. Lag
2. If you hit something
3. Where the turbo is placed, you either will run a filter right on the turbo, which is bad, because youll be sucking up all kinds of dirt from the roads, or 2 youll need to run a pipe AWAY from the ground, which then will cause more restriction.

Why not just run the turbo off the exhaust manifold?

No sir, I had no say in it. I had my concerns but they were quickly answered.

Do you have a say in how your kit is put together? Really, the turbo there is not a good idea at all. Not only will you have lag beyond imagination, your turbo is vulnerable to road debris. The pipe they are using is rather large and for a 1.5L engine to kick out the exhaust/compress the air,...............err.....you get the point. I was only wondering if you had a say in this?

There are a few issues:

1. Lag
2. If you hit something
3. Where the turbo is placed, you either will run a filter right on the turbo, which is bad, because youll be sucking up all kinds of dirt from the roads, or 2 youll need to run a pipe AWAY from the ground, which then will cause more restriction.

Why not just run the turbo off the exhaust manifold?

1. As in the PM i wrote you I know very little about F/I, but im learning, so no answer on the lag.
2. & 3.This was one of my concerns, as was sucking water in. But there will be a guard made to protect the turbo and filter from debri and water and what not.

Why not of the manifold, they wanted an easier install for customers and wanted people to be able to use the header they already had installed.

Now these answers are the way I remeber them being explained to me and in my own words. I dont want to place words in ZPI's mouth, but just what I rember in my head from conversations many weeks ago.

Turbo lag is really a thing of the past if a kit is put together properly. I don't imagine with a 16g that lag would be bad, even with the small displacement and turbo positioning. Although I would like to see a 2k to redline pull.

Quality filters will shed 90 percent of water. With a proper filter and gaurd, there shouldn't be any issues with debris getting in the turbo.

I would imagine that this was inspired by rob, who seems to be doing a lot of remote mount kits lately. He is no longer with zpi but I believe the original shop car kit was being put together while he was around if not shortly after. This design is most effcient with larger displacement engines. With a 1.5 I don't think its a good idea and it looks more like the easy way out if you ask me. That being said, it will work this way. With the piping running under the car you also get the benifits of heat extraction and the ambient air cools the charge piping.

Charles

It LOOKS cool :) :P

I just hope you don't live in an area like I do that gets a ton of rain in a short period causing some low spots to fill with water... all it will take is ~3 inch deep puddle to splash some serious water on that thing.

careful!

Or a good size speedbump :nails:

Edit: Well I guess that's not as big of a problem on an xb, lol

Lets also not forget, the angle this picture was taken at makes the pipe look bigger than it is and also makes the turbo look much lower than it actually is. Neat setup.. I would only worry about water more than debris.. though, I know I've bottomed my exhaust on other cars from extreme driveways, etc.

I wonder if you could sneak this past California smog inspections?

Or a good size speedbump :nails:

Edit: Well I guess that's not as big of a problem on an xb, lol

That was my only concern really was how low it was. But we'll see how everything turns out, my car is pretty low... it may be time to raise it a bit... But as he said the angle of the camera really doesn't do the kit justice it's not as low as you think and yes a good filter/guard should take care of the debris/water no problem.

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I like this idea.

Put 215/45/17's on it Billy, will give you about 3/4" to 1" more height :)

Looking great man...

Dono what are you doing awake? i thought just the crazy people were up right now....oh, ok... nevermind.....

what is the turbo to ground clearance?

It LOOKS cool :) :P

I just hope you don't live in an area like I do that gets a ton of rain in a short period causing some low spots to fill with water... all it will take is ~3 inch deep puddle to splash some serious water on that thing.

careful!

FL does flood some times, but luckly not where I live. :clap: If a hurricane comes then everything floods and lets just say the car will not be moving for a few days, until the water goes down. :P

Or a good size speedbump :nails:

Edit: Well I guess that's not as big of a problem on an xb, lol

Before the turbo I went over speedbumps, like a was a Grandma drivng her Caddy, real slow. Now with the turbo, I will be like a snail going over them. :rofl:

Dono what are you doing awake? i thought just the crazy people were up right now....oh, ok... nevermind.....

what is the turbo to ground clearance?

Don I have no exact idea what the turbo to ground clearance is. But by the looks of it the turbo itself hangs no lower than the exhaust or the exhaust hangers. The piping does hang lower than the exhaust, but no lower than the frame. One tiny edge of the wastgate looks like it hangs below the frame brace. But the turbo found a nice little home right up next to the factory heat sheild, like it was meant to be there.


Donovan, tires are an idea or it may be time to revert back to some lightweight 15"s with some tires and stock springs. Or I just have to see what happens with what i have now. :P

I wonder if you could sneak this past California smog inspections?

Funny you say that, I was just thinking the same thing! Depending on the final WHP and price I might just have to find out.

Keith

Well the pictures you posted just did it for me. If I decide to go forced induction, it definitely will not be the ZPI kit. I had high hopes at one time for these guys, but that is fading very quickly. I don't think I would run that turbo even if they decided to get CARB certified. (I don't think I have seen any pigs sprouting wings yet.)

Looks like if I decide to go forced induction it will either be a Greddy kit, or having a local friend build a custom kit for me. There is no way I am going to have an xB on air suspension with a turbo hanging down below the car with the exhaust.

Well the pictures you posted just did it for me. If I decide to go forced induction, it definitely will not be the ZPI kit. I had high hopes at one time for these guys, but that is fading very quickly. I don't think I would run that turbo even if they decided to get CARB certified. (I don't think I have seen any pigs sprouting wings yet.)

Looks like if I decide to go forced induction it will either be a Greddy kit, or having a local friend build a custom kit for me. There is no way I am going to have an xB on air suspension with a turbo hanging down below the car with the exhaust.

I Agree 110%... I was iffy allready. But now I am for sure against the ZPI kit. Greddy, here I come.

Turbo lag is a thing of the past??? Um no...........When selecting a turbo, there are many things to consider. ZPI did mention on their other post that they were getting full boost at 3800. Is that not lag? Come on guys. Whatever though. I disagree with almost everything you guys said. You can put a shield on the bottom of the intake, etc. What happens to splashed water that gets past the shield? Ok, ok ok, lets make the shield cover the intake more,...same thing. What happens to dust and water that gets through? It will just hold it there like a bowl, unless you seal it off, which will then restrict your intake air some more. If they think that putting the turbo there makes it for an easier install, Im sorry, I have no idea where this is going. Whats easier than removing the stock manifold, draining your oil, changing your pan, putting everything back together? No but now, we have tons of piping header to turbo to intercooler, etc. And an external oil pump? I rather drain my oil and change the pan/cover than have to connect separate oil lines and an electric pump to oil the turbo.

Oh and passing the CA emissions? You dont think they will notice the front mount intercooler? WTF? Some of you are still in a dreamstate...its time to wake up. Do some research on turbocharging, intake, etc. The oil element on the new filters are what keeps the water out...but they are also what restricts the air.

Turbo lag is a thing of the past??? Um no...........When selecting a turbo, there are many things to consider. ZPI did mention on their other post that they were getting full boost at 3800. Is that not lag? Come on guys. Whatever though. I disagree with almost everything you guys said. You can put a shield on the bottom of the intake, etc. What happens to splashed water that gets past the shield? Ok, ok ok, lets make the shield cover the intake more,...same thing. What happens to dust and water that gets through? It will just hold it there like a bowl, unless you seal it off, which will then restrict your intake air some more. If they think that putting the turbo there makes it for an easier install, Im sorry, I have no idea where this is going. Whats easier than removing the stock manifold, draining your oil, changing your pan, putting everything back together? No but now, we have tons of piping header to turbo to intercooler, etc. And an external oil pump? I rather drain my oil and change the pan/cover than have to connect separate oil lines and an electric pump to oil the turbo.

Oh and passing the CA emissions? You dont think they will notice the front mount intercooler? WTF? Some of you are still in a dreamstate...its time to wake up. Do some research on turbocharging, intake, etc. The oil element on the new filters are what keeps the water out...but they are also what restricts the air.

What I meant was more along the lines of a properly setup turbo kit will have very minimal lag. Do stock turbo cars have a lot of lag? Not usually. I agree that 3800 is way to much for this application and I agree that putting the turbo there is a horrible idea with a 1.5 powerplant. HOWEVER, I see no real difference between running a 12 inch intake off the turbo and putting the filter directly on it. STS has been building remote mount kits for YEARS and have used a good quality filter, a nice filter protector and a gaurd to help protect it and they havent had any issues to speak of with debris or water getting inside.

A much smaller turbo would be a better choice for this car. But, as we all have appearently not noticed, the 16g is appearently the only turbo that works on a scion. :rofl:

This kit would be great is couple with a 2.4 swap ;)

Charles

the turbo is not the lowest point on the car.... so it should be fine

I know what you mean Charles. Im not here to argue with you. STS makes some nice kits, but look at the cars they are on. I dont get what ZPI is doing. I have no idea. The 16g turbo is a big turbo for the motor we are using. Im using the 14g turbo and get full spool at 2700-2800rpm. That same turbo will give me 15psi if I needed. The 16G was an upgrade I used in one of my 1st gen DSMs. I ran 12.6 in that car at 18psi. There is no need for the 1nz to run that turbo. Its overkill. Whatever though,...people can make their own decisions.

I know what you mean Charles. Im not here to argue with you. STS makes some nice kits, but look at the cars they are on. I dont get what ZPI is doing. I have no idea. The 16g turbo is a big turbo for the motor we are using. Im using the 14g turbo and get full spool at 2700-2800rpm. That same turbo will give me 15psi if I needed. The 16G was an upgrade I used in one of my 1st gen DSMs. I ran 12.6 in that car at 18psi. There is no need for the 1nz to run that turbo. Its overkill. Whatever though,...people can make their own decisions.
I couldnt agree more.

Ditto

the turbo is not the lowest point on the car.... so it should be fine
We're just going to have to be careful on some of the uglier roads or ones with huge speed bumps... at least in my car.. it's already slammed and I hit exhaust.... then again I have airride setting around.. it just doesn't ride as well as coilovers do especially at speed...

Ditto

I completley understand now. Actually I wanted to upgrade my turbo also. Right now I am running 7psi but I was thinking about going with this turbo when I pump it up to 9psi.
http://raceprecision.com/images/9psi.jpg

the turbo is not the lowest point on the car.... so it should be fine
We're just going to have to be careful on some of the uglier roads or ones with huge speed bumps... at least in my car.. it's already slammed and I hit exhaust.... then again I have airride setting around.. it just doesn't ride as well as coilovers do especially at speed...

Just make sure you stay around your neighborhood and not anywhere else that may have steep driveways, bumps, potholes, debris, etc. If its pouring rain down and you need to make a run to the store or something, borrow someones car. If you need to take a long road trip, rent a car. Just make sure you stay in the "safe zone".

Remember this is not bottoming out an exhaust now, where the worse that can happen is you get a new exhaust because now it sounds like a truck. The oil system, since an electric motor is used, needs to be separate from the engines oil system. If it isnt and you slap a line or leak, then your engine is screwed. The XB comes pretty low from the factory. One of the things that make this boxy car exciting is its ability to handle well. Most owners who modify the cars end up lowering it.....er..................

Well if we are gonna poke some fun on this thread then here we go. :P

I did some reasearch and I found that the Greddy kit comes with this turbo...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/blower1.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

How about we keep it on topic? Jeeesh... let's not turn this into another locked thread.... Weren't forums useful at one time?

We need a thread for most "original" turbo design.. including the paper Snail!

Well if we are gonna poke some fun on this thread then here we go. :P

I did some reasearch and I found that the Greddy kit comes with this turbo...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/blower1.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

LOL, good one man. Again, its nothing directed to you. :P

LOL, good one man. Again, its nothing directed to you. :P

Heehee, I know.. :silly: Just trying to liven the mood up a bit.

LOL, good one man. Again, its nothing directed to you. :P

Heehee, I know.. :silly: Just trying to liven the mood up a bit.

Is anyone doing anything worthwhile....? Personally it's time for sushi lol

LOL, good one man. Again, its nothing directed to you. :P

Heehee, I know.. :silly: Just trying to liven the mood up a bit.

Haha, yeah its best to keep things humorous or else we would go insane. When I ordered the Greddy kit. It came via ups within 3 days so I cant say that I was waiting as long as you. Another 4 hours later it was installed and I was driving. But, I have waited for one of my race engines to be built. The company said 2 weeks and that became 4 months.

LOL, good one man. Again, its nothing directed to you. :P

Heehee, I know.. :silly: Just trying to liven the mood up a bit.

Haha, yeah its best to keep things humorous or else we would go insane. When I ordered the Greddy kit. It came via ups within 3 days so I cant say that I was waiting as long as you. Another 4 hours later it was installed and I was driving. But, I have waited for one of my race engines to be built. The company said 2 weeks and that became 4 months.

Ouch!! Was it worth the wait???

Cause I really think mine will be, no matter what anybody else say's or thinks off the kit. I will still have a fun car to drive and that is all the truly matters to me.

Time is money. My 3SGTE went to to get bored, pistons, etc and it was supposed to take a week. The week ended up taking 3 weeks, and the whole process just got delayed. Was it worth it? Well I went from 222whp to 398whp. :) I guess it was worth it, but atleast my car was getting stuff that was tested by others first. Now is my 141whp worth the price I paid for the Greddy, ...I think so. I had high hopes for the ZPI kit. I actually thought their kit was available and almost ordered from turbokits.com, since its been listed there for a LONG time already. Im glad I made the decision I did though. I had the same turbo on another one of my cars so its good. Im sure your car will be fun to drive. I have no doubt about that. I wish you had say in how the kit was made though. But like you said, you know what you were getting yourself into. :P

T

Oh and passing the CA emissions? You dont think they will notice the front mount intercooler? WTF? Some of you are still in a dreamstate...its time to wake up. Do some research on turbocharging, intake, etc.

Actually I had no problem getting a front mount past smog, it was painted black and it was never brought up. However, the turbo sitting there has caused me problems before. Back to my dreamstate.

Okay guys if you have questions about this kit and would like them answered by ZPI please refer to this thread below.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=129478&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

I will still be updating my thread, with stuff about my car and experience with it.

Wow. I really hope your car isnt lowered more than an inch if that. It appears like that pipe is sitting WAY low.

Wow. I really hope your car isnt lowered more than an inch if that. It appears like that pipe is sitting WAY low.

Tein H-Techs, so less than an inch. I think the pictures are deiceving, and the pipes really aren't that low.

Curious, why did they change the location of the turbo on the auto version from the manual? I have not had a chance to look in the bay of an auto... is it a much bigger casing and thus not having room behind the motor for the turbo or what?

They didn't change the turbo location for just the Auto application , it will be for all applications (auto and manual).
Click on the link in my post 4 up from this one and it will tell you exactly why they redesigned it.

welllllll, what ya coulda done was put the turbo where i plan on it........ :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

I appologize for that. I removed the picture. Something is just not right. For someone watching from the outside, there is definately something fishy going on. Why would you go with an extermal pump? First of all, this kit was meant to be a user friendly kit, bolt on power, 181whp maker, etc. Now, an external pump is involved? Not only does that raise the cost of the kit, it also raises the cost of the install. I think why someone would use an external pump...the only thing I can think of was that the engines mechanical oil pump did not work right. And in that case, if there is oil pump failure, you almost are guaranteed internal engine damage. The stock oil pump puts out more than enough pressure to oil cool a turbo. If the turbo is placed in a position where the stock pump cant get enough oil circulation through it,...its no longer an efficient turbo kit. You cant compress oil like you cold air. How much turbo lag are you asking for??? Youll have piping that rivals the length of the Great Wall of China. i think the external pump is a great idea.

Rollhard please dont make me Lock my own thread... There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the bashing needs to stop and the picture was uncalled for.

I appologize for that. I removed the picture. Something is just not right. For someone watching from the outside, there is definately something fishy going on. Why would you go with an extermal pump? First of all, this kit was meant to be a user friendly kit, bolt on power, 181whp maker, etc. Now, an external pump is involved? Not only does that raise the cost of the kit, it also raises the cost of the install. I think why someone would use an external pump...the only thing I can think of was that the engines mechanical oil pump did not work right. And in that case, if there is oil pump failure, you almost are guaranteed internal engine damage. The stock oil pump puts out more than enough pressure to oil cool a turbo. If the turbo is placed in a position where the stock pump cant get enough oil circulation through it,...its no longer an efficient turbo kit. You cant compress oil like you cold air. How much turbo lag are you asking for??? Youll have piping that rivals the length of the Great Wall of China. i think the external pump is a great idea.

Its not like its a marvel of engineering. Its a must when you have a turbo that sits lower or level with the oil pan.

Cant wait for billy to come to tx so i can be scared for once... looks mean, just thougth id say it publicly, seems like it should be alittle more effective seeing as the air down there is much cooler and faster moving.

WAAAAAAAAAA PSSSSHHHH
Track it yet Billy?

Any update on if the box has made it to the dyno?

Any update on if the box has made it to the dyno?

Still dealing with a small issue and then it will be dyno time. :D

Is the issue with the car, or with the dyno?

Is the issue with the car, or with the dyno?

No Charles it's you. :rofl: J/K buddy...

No it's with the car. :P

*in low voice* BUSTED BOX!

Is it still the oil pump?

Is it still the oil pump?

Yes it's still the the oil pump, actually it's the pressure.


Pat it isn't a Busted Box... :P

sorry....
*in low voice* BUSTED PLANE!

I'm just glad Billy over here is our little lab rat. This way it will all be good when I get this kit.

sorry....
*in low voice* BUSTED PLANE!

I'm just glad Billy over here is our little lab rat. This way it will all be good when I get this kit.

Yeah Billy's a trooper and ZPI is working really hard to get it knocked out... I'm sure we'll see some great results here soon

New guy here and all I can say is WOW!!! :eyebrow: I have had 3 turbo cars. 1.starion and 2 SE-R's Starion ran in the low 13's and both Sentra's went in the low 12's I have a little insight with F/I lol. I checked on ZPI's website and they want 3500.00 bones for a turbo, intercooler and some J bends? WOW. I thought I was out of this game but looks like I'm going to build my own stuff again. I was wanting to buy a kit this time around but not for that much coin............ Anyways good luck with it.

New guy here and all I can say is WOW!!! :eyebrow: I have had 3 turbo cars. 1.starion and 2 SE-R's Starion ran in the low 13's and both Sentra's went in the low 12's I have a little insight with F/I lol. I checked on ZPI's website and they want 3500.00 bones for a turbo, intercooler and some J bends? WOW. I thought I was out of this game but looks like I'm going to build my own stuff again. I was wanting to buy a kit this time around but not for that much coin............ Anyways good luck with it.

There are other kits on the market, either way expect to spend 3k or so on a full bolt on ready to go kit... or thereabouts.

ciao

cz

New guy here and all I can say is WOW!!! :eyebrow: I have had 3 turbo cars. 1.starion and 2 SE-R's Starion ran in the low 13's and both Sentra's went in the low 12's I have a little insight with F/I lol. I checked on ZPI's website and they want 3500.00 bones for a turbo, intercooler and some J bends? WOW. I thought I was out of this game but looks like I'm going to build my own stuff again. I was wanting to buy a kit this time around but not for that much coin............ Anyways good luck with it.

There are other kits on the market, either way expect to spend 3k or so on a full bolt on ready to go kit... or thereabouts.

ciao

czTrue to a certain extent. Off topic but is CARBOY, SOUTHSIDE RACING or SGP still around?
I just moved to AZ from Houston 6months ago.

czTrue to a certain extent. Off topic but is CARBOY, SOUTHSIDE RACING or SGP still around?
I just moved to AZ from Houston 6months ago.[/quote]

Not sure about southside.. I've always used SGP and Carboy... Both are good shops

Cool, I used to be friends with Mark and Kyle from SGP back when they were located in Deer Park now they are in the Woodlands I think. We used to go out to airline drive with my nx2000 and race a turbo'd civic hatch from the carboy crew. Good times

ok back on topic.

Billy, we haven't had an update in a while how is the box coming?

Billy, we haven't had an update in a while how is the box coming?

The box is getting a new exhaust and maybe some other goodies. :lalala: :lalala:
Then it should be ready to dyno and find its way home. So as always stay tuned. :clap:

:yawn: Are we there yet?
Just Joshing Ya.

I'm not gonna tell anyone about planned mods.. that way I don't get the is it done yet questions.

I know ZPI just finished moving into their new facility. It's huge and more adequate to handle bigger business. Between that and juggling cars (including Billy's) I'm sure they don't have a lot of time for the Internet.

:yawn: Are we there yet?
Just Joshing Ya.

I'm not gonna tell anyone about planned mods.. that way I don't get the is it done yet questions.

LoL Pat, if you only knew how many times I have been asked "is it done yet". You would want to kill everybody justas bad as I do. :P

Perfection takes time....

:yawn: Are we there yet?
Just Joshing Ya.

I'm not gonna tell anyone about planned mods.. that way I don't get the is it done yet questions.

LoL Pat, if you only knew how many times I have been asked "is it done yet". You would want to kill everybody justas bad as I do. :P

Perfection takes time....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
is it done yet?

j/k

I know ZPI just finished moving into their new facility. It's huge and more adequate to handle bigger business. Between that and juggling cars (including Billy's) I'm sure they don't have a lot of time for the Internet.

See guys my car does really exsist. :lol:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/newshop/IMG_1727.sized.jpg

:yawn: Are we there yet?
Just Joshing Ya.

I'm not gonna tell anyone about planned mods.. that way I don't get the is it done yet questions.

LoL Pat, if you only knew how many times I have been asked "is it done yet". You would want to kill everybody justas bad as I do. :P

Perfection takes time....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
is it done yet?

j/k

Your a mean, mean man. :nope: :P

Cool, I used to be friends with Mark and Kyle from SGP back when they were located in Deer Park now they are in the Woodlands I think. We used to go out to airline drive with my nx2000 and race a turbo'd civic hatch from the carboy crew. Good times

ok back on topic.

**offtopic** SGP is in spring :P southside went outta business i think...Jackie is still around with carboy! ok back on! GO BILLY !

I know ZPI just finished moving into their new facility. It's huge and more adequate to handle bigger business. Between that and juggling cars (including Billy's) I'm sure they don't have a lot of time for the Internet.

See guys my car does really exsist. :lol:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/newshop/IMG_1727.sized.jpg

Oh yea, there is your car. Those rice lights though man, and you need a color other then primer grey..

oops my bad
thata a civic :rofl:

Oh yea, there is your car. Those rice lights though man, and you need a color other then primer grey..

oops my bad
thata a civic :rofl:

Minus the riced out lights and the primer job, if it's setting at ZPI it's probably there for a reason... Civics will put out some monster power...

I see a race coming on
Xb vs. Civic (ppsssssssshhhhhh)

^Actually when I first went to drop mine off for the intercooler Kenny had no clue why it was there, lol

^Actually when I first went to drop mine off for the intercooler Kenny had no clue why it was there, lol

:rofl: :rofl: Nothing beats finding a free car, evn if it is a Honda. :silly:

Alright guys, straight from the horses mouth ( sorry Kenny not calling you a horse :lol: )

We have had what we thought to be oil problem stumping us lately on Billy’s car. This has turned out to not be oiling problem at all but a bad set of turbos. We are reinstalling a new turbo today and should be good to go.

Billy, sure you saw this but:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=131814&highlight=

when is the turbo going to be made for the 06?

when is the turbo going to be made for the 06?

My car is an 06 and it's an auto. So you only have to wait for the kits realese, to have one for an 06.

is it done yet?
will that fit on an 05? how about on my 07?

is it done yet?
will that fit on an 05? how about on my 07?

Almost, yes and no. :loser: :P

is it done yet?
will that fit on an 05? how about on my 07?

Almost, yes and no. :loser: :P

If the 07 uses the same engine/layout/etc there's no reason why it shouldn't work, but again they are still testing on 06 platform. Stay tuned guys!

so billy is the car here yet

so billy is the car here yet

Not yet but soon now that they have things figured out. We're all crossing our fingers for the long-anticipated release of his beast!

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

he better have that thing by the 12th.... or he be forced to wait longer

is it done yet?
will that fit on an 05? how about on my 07?

Almost, yes and no. :loser: :P

If the 07 uses the same engine/layout/etc there's no reason why it shouldn't work, but again they are still testing on 06 platform. Stay tuned guys!

That was a joke cz3ch.
There will not be a 2007 xB. The 2008 with have a differnt motor.

is it done yet?
will that fit on an 05? how about on my 07?

Almost, yes and no. :loser: :P

If the 07 uses the same engine/layout/etc there's no reason why it shouldn't work, but again they are still testing on 06 platform. Stay tuned guys!

That was a joke cz3ch.
There will not be a 2007 xB. The 2008 with have a differnt motor.

LoL understood... then again i'm not following things as closely... Seeing as I may have to sell my xB :(

if i get the kit will i have to change anything in my trans i have a auto and will you be coming out with a stage 2 turbo

if i get the kit will i have to change anything in my trans i have a auto and will you be coming out with a stage 2 turbo

The only thing I did for my auto trans, was to buy an aftermarket trans cooler. ZPI will be coming out with their own tranny cooler, so stay tuned for that. Once I rebuild my engine I will also be beefing up the trans to hold more HP, because I will be turning the boost up.

As for the stage 2, im not sure exactly what you mean, please explain further and I will find out for you.

if i get the kit will i have to change anything in my trans i have a auto and will you be coming out with a stage 2 turbo

The only thing I did for my auto trans, was to buy an aftermarket trans cooler. ZPI will be coming out with their own tranny cooler, so stay tuned for that. Once I rebuild my engine I will also be beefing up the trans to hold more HP, because I will be turning the boost up.

As for the stage 2, im not sure exactly what you mean, please explain further and I will find out for you.Stage 2 normally means bigger turbo maybe some fuel system upgrades things of that nature.

if i get the kit will i have to change anything in my trans i have a auto and will you be coming out with a stage 2 turbo

The only thing I did for my auto trans, was to buy an aftermarket trans cooler. ZPI will be coming out with their own tranny cooler, so stay tuned for that. Once I rebuild my engine I will also be beefing up the trans to hold more HP, because I will be turning the boost up.

As for the stage 2, im not sure exactly what you mean, please explain further and I will find out for you.Stage 2 normally means bigger turbo maybe some fuel system upgrades things of that nature.

Okay I see...

Here is what the ZPI Stage 1 kit comes with:
* EVO III GT 16G turbo
* Stainless Manifold
* Stainless Piping
* 22x9x3 FMIC
* Retains factory crash bar
* Full boost by 3800 RPM
* 8 psi kit
* Safe on stock internals, will need to upgrade the clutch
* External 38mm Wastegate
* HKS SSQV BOV
* Approx 180whp (this is an estimate based on real life testing, dynos to come soon.)
* Upgraded Injectors (370cc)
* Emanage (pre-tuned to ZPIracing standards)
* Wiring instructions (a ZPI exclusive)
I am no expert and only speak for my self in what I will say below, but will gladly pass the questions on or you can ask them in this thread:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=129478&highlight=

For starters I dont know why you would want to run a bigger turbo than the Evo III Gt 16 G on our 1.5's. As for fuel upgrades it comes with 370 cc injectors, I know ZPI just came out with their own 550cc injectors and you can always add a new fuel rail. I think a Stage 1 will suit most people's needs, but you can never stop pushing the limits of what you want to do, so I guess we will see what happens.

LOL it's kinda like building a stereo it's nice and loud til you get used to it then you want more, it's a vicious cycle, But a bigger turbo won't do much except move the full boost up to around 4k or more with gobs of lag to boot.

full boost at 3800 rpm? that sucks, why the hell would I want to be at full bost while on the highway? Constant full boost = more stress on hte engine, and will probably shorten the life of the kit and engine.

no bueno.

full boost at 3800 rpm? that sucks, why the hell would I want to be at full bost while on the highway? Constant full boost = more stress on hte engine, and will probably shorten the life of the kit and engine.

no bueno.3800 is really high but part throttle on the freeway won't equate to full boost, it doesn't work that way.

Why would you ever want a stage II kit when the initial kit comes with a 16g turbo????????? That turbo is capable of more power than your stock engine will ever take. Heck even with a built motor, you want to run over 20psi?

Why would you ever want a stage II kit when the initial kit comes with a 16g turbo????????? That turbo is capable of more power than your stock engine will ever take. Heck even with a built motor, you want to run over 20psi?

LoL, thats what I wanted to know too. :P

I suppose a "Stage II" could always include the new pistons they are planning to offer. Maybe even with a new set of rods. And of course you would need a boost controller. Doing all of that means they would probably have to switch from e-manage to a stand alone though.

i have a 05 xb, turbo'd check engine light, spudders

is it ZPI? Is it custom? Pics?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, done yet billy

:yawn: ZzZzZZzZz *snort* :shock: !I WAS NEVER A MEMBER OF THE NAZI PARTY!

I mean, are we there yet?
It's coming folks. I swear... Worse then the Windows Blackcomb geeks.

i think this whole thing is a hoax, i dont think thats billys car... i think that zpi is working on a BCP with the same rims and billy is just taking the pics and everything to be his own....

his masterplan is to keep the car tucked away from anyones sight untill he can get his turbo (which is planned for the day after the apoclypse), then he will unveil his and say "wow ZPI had it for a long time"

JK bro.... cant wait to see it this saturday... :nails:

i think this whole thing is a hoax, i dont think thats billys car... i think that zpi is working on a BCP with the same rims and billy is just taking the pics and everything to be his own....

his masterplan is to keep the car tucked away from anyones sight untill he can get his turbo (which is planned for the day after the apoclypse), then he will unveil his and say "wow ZPI had it for a long time"

JK bro.... cant wait to see it this saturday... :nails:

True story.... :lalala:

I think it is secretly getting a flux capacitor put in it.

I think it is secretly getting a flux capacitor put in it.
I hope you are wrong, but if you are right it can be fueled by all of the trash we have been fed.

Now that's just harsh. Besides Mr Fusion only works with eggs and soda :-D

Now that's just harsh. Besides Mr Fusion only works with eggs and soda :-D
LOL, I guess we wait....hey maybe it will be featured in Back to the Future 6 or whatever # they are on now.

so anything new, man seriously, if it was me i think i would have pulled my car back for making me wait this long, your a much more "monk"ish man than i, hope it goes well

so anything new, man seriously, if it was me i think i would have pulled my car back for making me wait this long, your a much more "monk"ish man than i, hope it goes well

Well my car is with people I call freinds so the wait is all good and worth it. We should hopefully be all set in the next couple of days.

so anything new, man seriously, if it was me i think i would have pulled my car back for making me wait this long, your a much more "monk"ish man than i, hope it goes well

Well my car is with people I call freinds so the wait is all good and worth it. We should hopefully be all set in the next couple of days.

if your xB is with people you call friends, I can only imagine what would happen if you let your enemies take it. :P

Billy doesn't have enemies. Just friends and non-friends.

Billy doesn't have enemies. Just friends and non-friends.

And Bill is getting ready to be one of my non-freinds.. :P

Bill I still can't beleive midget wrestling sucked... :nope:

sup man i cant to see how your xb turns out

:yawn:

BILLY!!! I GOT MY AXLE! im me if im online :D

proshop, i really hope your car turns out great. i've been lurking for a while hoping for a positive result for you since it will benefit everyone looking to make some decent power. good luck and you're a brave and patient dude. :clap:

proshop, i really hope your car turns out great. i've been lurking for a while hoping for a positive result for you since it will benefit everyone looking to make some decent power. good luck and you're a brave and patient dude. :clap:

Thanks Ozzie for the kind words, its nice to hear those verse the bashing and "is it done yet" comments. When this kit is done it will take the xB and xA platform to heights that no other kit can or could. So stay tuned hopefully very shortly for some great things, not just the turbo kit, ZPI and I have plans of pushing my car past it's limits and beyond... :D

so your saying that my words werent kind billy....

proshop, i really hope your car turns out great. i've been lurking for a while hoping for a positive result for you since it will benefit everyone looking to make some decent power. good luck and you're a brave and patient dude. :clap:

Thanks Ozzie for the kind words, its nice to hear those verse the bashing and "is it done yet" comments. When this kit is done it will take the xB and xA platform to heights that no other kit can or could. So stay tuned hopefully very shortly for some great things, not just the turbo kit, ZPI and I have plans of pushing my car past it's limits and beyond... :D

Is it done yet? :P

how about now..... :rofl:

I say no more posts until there is something to post about.

I say no more posts until there is something to post about.

This thread would end up on page 44 if that was going to happen.

Good, that's how it is supposed to work.

I say no more posts until there is something to post about.

This thread would end up on page 44 if that was going to happen.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

in all seriousness, I give props to Billy for being as patient as he is. I would of gone ape sh*t after the second week. and as the saying goes: All good things come to those who wait.

when can we start placing bets on when billy is gonna get his car back

when can we start placing bets on when billy is gonna get his car back
Explain what you mean by "back" :rofl:
Oh man, I just sent this topic to the top again. :doh:

C leaned up a bit.... please keep any ZPI comments in the specified dealer/shop experiences thread....

This is a positive thread regarding developing a new product for the xB

I'm patiently waiting.... love this setup for the xB!

is it done yet

Don, is that you?

nope

but is it done yet???

billy, want a snickers bar since your gonna be here for a while??

Locked per request till completion...

It's Done and the Dyno is on it's way... unlocked and ready for updates.

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/albums/videos/billysxB.wmv :lalala: :lalala:

HOT DAMN! That thing makes the coolest sound ever!

HOT DAMN! That thing makes the coolest sound ever!

Hee hee... We will go for a ride one night D and then you can hear them upclose and personal... :P

finally.

ITS ALIVE..............................

but damn thats a tiny intercooler...

they did that to make you feel a little better about yourself huh.......

JK, bro... i cant wait to get that thing over here andbeat on it, i mean take it for a ride

dude i love it... i do hate the location of the turbo... is that the way it is for 5 spd's also?

dude i love it... i do hate the location of the turbo... is that the way it is for 5 spd's also?

Yes sir it is the same for an auto and manny... The location will help keep the turbo and engine bay cooler. Everything in life has it's good points and it's drawbacks, but I will take the drawback of the placment of the turbo so I can be one of the fastest xB's on the street.

for about another two months till i show you my setup...

billy... i am callin you out bro...

for about another two months till i show you my setup...

billy... i am callin you out bro...

Aight... you have to get inline behind the all motor auto xB, who said he would rape me if we raced. But I aint SCARED........

like i said bro... 2 months

like i said bro... 2 months

Werd.. as long as im still in state you have a race bro..

yull be here

OR ILL MEET YOUR ASSS ON PINKS

Did I miss the final dyno numbers?

Did I miss the final dyno numbers?

Nope. I believe that is coming before they return the car. They have been busy with a few cars when I was last by the shop. I can say that it won't be no slouch on the hp numbers.

:bow:

How much?? and where can you order this.

www.zpiracing.net home of badass Scions :)

hmmmmmmmmmm......

billy... did you do the tranny or not

hmmmmmmmmmm......

billy... did you do the tranny or not


No, not yet... The tranny and engine will be done at the same time and are next on the list of things to do..

www.zpiracing.net home of badass Scions :)

F*ck Yeah it is... :bow: :bow:

If you can't hang with the best... Then get in the back like the rest....

when is the turbo xA due up?

when is the turbo xA due up?

Very soon.. now that my car is done.. Nate I want to see you boost the xA and woop Don up...

i already beat him at OSW on my stocker, but once i see this xA kit out i'll be one of the first to proudly display it

i already beat him at OSW on my stocker, but once i see this xA kit out i'll be one of the first to proudly display it

Werd.. :wink:

boosted xA intrested

yea i think sean is driving around the xa thats gonna be boosted. they are supposed to start after they finish the time attack car i think but dont quote me on that.

yea i think sean is driving around the xa thats gonna be boosted. they are supposed to start after they finish the time attack car i think but dont quote me on that.

The red xA of nesters? That belongs to his wife, but I believe they are going to use it as a mock up car. But that is a while from now.

have the numbers been released for the xb auto

still waiting for dyno results....

Alright kiddies... I am now in possesion of the killer toaster.. and let me tell you this thing is the real deal... I dont need no stinking dyno to tell you that this thing is fast and bad to the bone.. I am utterly blown away by it. I want to thank ZPI (Kenny , Sean, Keisha and the rest of the crew) who has made all our Toaster fantasies become a reality.. :bow: :bow:

Video's will be surfacing very soon so stay tuned............

^^^Cool and congrats...I know it was a LONG wait but i'm sure it was worth it...Enjoy and be sure to tell us about your experiences...

The time has finally come...congrats bro...cant wait to see this beast in action

I'm ready for that spin round the block now Billy :)

i have a few questions about the kit and im not sure if they have been asked before. 1. what kind of boost contoler comes with the kit, on the zpi site it doesnt say. 2. is the kit available for purchase right now for the xa or is it going to be available after it has been fitted on that burgendy xa i saw on the site. and last does the automatic version for this kit still run on 7.5 psi or does it have to be run on less.

so when you coming to raise some hell billy

yes now you must rev it up in the bay to scare customers.

Some final pics of my kit... the retail kit will have some different things then mine.. cause im special.. :P :wink:
I will take some pics of the car with the bumper on tommorow... hmm can you say sleeper.. :lalala: :lalala:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1188.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1195.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1194.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1189.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1212.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1190.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1192.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1191.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1193.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1209.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1208.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1206.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/proshopxb/100_1207.jpg

Looking forward to the xB kit and love the sleeper action... only way to go for an xB, as killin' the little civic hatches from lights would be SOOOO fun.

Looking forward to the xB kit and love the sleeper action... only way to go for an xB, as killin' the little civic hatches from lights would be SOOOO fun.

Yeah i have already fried bigger fish than that already... :P

Sat. night kill list... beleive it or not..

2000 Corvette... old man was ____ed he got beat by a toater..
1998 Camaro... guy and his buddy couldnt stop staring at the box as i pulled on by them.
2001 Mustang.. dude turned off real quick after getting owned....
Early 90's boosted Accord.. he got beat twice from a dig...wanted a 3rd try but i had to turn to go home..

Moral of the story.. dont mess with a ZPI powered Toaster.. :no:

LoL... looking forward to more kills from the boxes now....

ZPI Innovation to the extreme....

Thats amazing, and the vette? He must not have shifted correctly. Or the toaster is cookin.

The toaster is dang fast... that's for sure... new c6... no way, but it'll hold its own with some of the oldies, based on all the info I've seen on it.