http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4021055&src=windowshopping :shock:

:shock: :shock: :oops: I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing :oops: :shock: :shock:

But I am glad it is getting noticed!

:shock: :shock: :oops: I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing :oops: :shock: :shock:

But I am glad it is getting noticed!


Its not good for us people that are modifying our cars...people might mistaken them for soccer mom cars...we must stick together and rid people of that notion

They gave it a good review, but it still disturbs me to think of some housewife carrying around a bunch of munchkins in an xB to soccer practice. The day I bought my xB, my sister called it a "minivan", and I almost snapped her neck. It's obviously made for younger people, not middle aged yuppies looking to haul their kids in style.

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4021055&src=windowshopping :shock:
lol i noticd that too i posted the same thing as u up in a new thread b 4 i looked at all the other threads. . . :oops:

i agree with k88e the xb was created for the younger crowd not for the 30 or 40 somethings to haul thier kids and groceries in. :?

yeah that does strike me as weird,,,,, i would think mini vans would win that battle. Oh wait mini vans are trucks :? :?

i look at it like this, no matter what any car company, like toyota, does to try to attract the younger generation, the older folks have to be all up in it. so its almost impossible to keep the older folks from buying something ment from the younger crowd. :? :(

Time for an old 30-something to weigh in.

1. Watch your words, you'll all be 30 before you know it.
2. 30 or 40 or 50 is not old. Age is a state of mind.
3. Why wouldn't we "old folks" be all up in it? The car is an awesome value, looks great, and is really easy to get in and out of (you know, for us old guys with broken hips at 35 :wink: ).
4. We all don't haul kids around, unless you count my 100 lb Rottie mix as a child.

I've had people from 6 to 75 years old tell me how cool it is. Can't we give Scion some credit for creating something unique that somehow has wide appeal? Not everyone loves the box, but whatever causes a reaction in people is not bound by age.

Ok, I'm all out of breath, time for me to go watch Matlock. :D

Shoot, I don't care how old you are, keep buying them! Every time you do my insurance cost goes down :lol:

it could be good for the twenty-somethings that have children. this way they don't have to buy a minivan. i have had a couple of young couples who were about to have kids look at the xB. actually, that is why i got the xB, my fiance and i are looking to have a child in the next year or so. i thought it would be a great car to have with a kid. plenty of room, and i can still do anything i want to it. it doesn't cost too much, unlike a $30,000 minivan. in a way, this article can be good for Scion :D ............................................................ or it could be bad :cry:

just my 2 cents.

Werd

But I have been seeing Gezzers 70+ drivin the boxes, but some did rock aftermarket wheels and tires...

Werd

But I have been seeing Gezzers 70+ drivin the boxes, but some did rock aftermarket wheels and tires...

Yeah, there was this dude (around 70) with a Hot Lava at the last meet. He had the HL AEM CAI, and the TRD muffler. FOrgot what kind of wheels he had on. He actually likes the sound of the TRD muffler. He was even revving it up :shock: :D

I was going to slap a big soccer ball sticker on the liftgate. :lol:

Did anyone else notice that the other 2 cars in that category were the honda civic and the VW jetta? If I remember correctly, those are among the most popular tuner cars on the planet.

Did anyone else notice that the other 2 cars in that category were the honda civic and the VW jetta? If I remember correctly, those are among the most popular tuner cars on the planet.

The majority of the Civics and Jetta owners do not mod their cars. Compared to the majority of xB owners (at least on this site) that modify their rides.

the xb is great for the value. i am 38 and have 3 kids. my other car is an '04 sienna. the one before that was an '01 mercedes e320 wagon.

there is a 60 years old man i see everytime at my local grocery store and he has a hot lava. he traded his '98 porsche 911 for it.

I see a lot of older people in my area driving Scions.

Its not good for us people that are modifying our cars...people might mistaken them for soccer mom cars...we must stick together and rid people of that notion

Our xB is not, repeat _not_ a "soccer mom car"! In fact, at this very moment my wife is taking my younger daughter to a ballet rehersal in it. On the way back, she'll pick up my older daughter from gymnastics. She wouldn't go near a soccer field!


:D :D :D

George

the xB will soon become another pt cruiser :cry:

the xB will soon become another pt cruiser :cry:
yep. . :cry:

I don't think so. The PT cruiser was marketed to middle aged housewives and designed to appeal to them. Not so with the xB. Besides, the xB is actually a good car (read: not based on the dodge neon) and an exceptional value. Who's going to complain about that?

Anyway, who fscking cares? If you're dumb enough to fall head over heels for the marketing on this car you get what you deserve. Yeah it's kind of cool, but buying one won't do anything for your graffiti skills or breakdancing technique.

My God, how awful to be selective as to who you want driving a car. Last time I checked the car is sold to everyone. I can't believe people on this board are being so elitist about this. a lot of people like to tune the xB, and in all honesty it's not the best car if your looking to turn it into a speed demon, it will just never do that. Nothin about this car leaps out at me and says, "Oh, that car is meant for young people!" The thing I think this car has going for it is its originality. To say someone shouldn't by this car for one reason or another is ludacris. I don't car who buys it. I want them to sell so that the company will make more cars like it. The NISSAN CUBE is on it's way to the USA, why do you think that is??

the xB will soon become another pt cruiser :cry:

That would be nice. Chrysler sells a lot of PT Cruisers, there is a big aftermarket for them, and folks seem to enjoy driving a distinctive car.

The only real difference is that the xB will probably be more reliable!

Frankly, I don't want the xB to get a reputation as a "teen/twentysomething" car. That would do very bad things to insurance rates and resale value. I don't want the phrase "adult driven" to become common in classified ads for an xB!

Regardless of Toyota's marketing goals, it's better to have the vehicle appeal to a broad spectrum, as appears to be the case with the xB.

i agree with k88e the xb was created for the younger crowd not for the 30 or 40 somethings to haul thier kids and groceries in. :?

This 40 something believes that he lives harder, faster and more enthusiastically than most 20 sumpthings and is therefore entitled to buy one of these so-called kiddie cars. :D Age is irrelevant. Hell, the guy that was the director of the Scion marketing program at ATTIK in SF is a good burningman buddy of mine. He's a hip 40 something guy that figured out how to reach the "Y"ners and "market" a brand to them. And the 20 somethings are drinking what he's selling... :twisted:

In the driveway during my 47th b'day party. My wife and I like fire. Those are my kids watching our friend Heidi on the flame thrower. The 14 y.o. girl plays boys. The 11 y.o. boy plays soccer. He needs a ride to practice, and on the way back we always stop for groceries.

http://www.thinkcooper.com/images/Heidi_Fire_Thrower_sm.jpg

Here's my wife on the poi.

http://www.thinkcooper.com/images/Karen_Fire_Dance_sm.jpg


From Cake- Rock and Roll Lifestyle

Well, your CD collection looks shiny and costly.
How much did you pay for your bad Moto Guzi?
And how much did you spend on your black leather jacket?
Is it you or your parents in this income tax bracket?

Now tickets to concerts and drinking at clubs,
Sometimes for music that you haven't even heard of.
And how much did you pay for your rock'n'roll t-shirt
That proves you were there,
That you heard of them first?

How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?
How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?
How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?
Ah, tell me.

How much did you pay for the chunk of his guitar,
The one he ruthlessly smashed at the end of the show?
And how much will he pay for a brand new guitar,
One which he'll ruthlessly smash at the end of another show?
And how long will the workers keep building him new ones?
As long as their soda cans are red, white, and blue ones.
And how long will the workers keep building him new ones?
As long as their soda cans are red, white, and blue ones.

Aging black leather and hospital bills,
Tattoo removal and dozens of pills.
Your liver pays dearly now for youthful magic moments,
But rock on completely with some brand new components.

How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?
How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?
How do you afford your rock'n'roll lifestyle?

Excess ain't rebellion.
You're drinking what they're selling.
Your self-destruction doesn't hurt them.
Your chaos won't convert them.
They're so happy to rebuild it.
You'll never really kill it.
Yeah, excess ain't rebellion.
You're drinking what they're selling.
Excess ain't rebellion.
You're drinking,
You're drinking,
You're drinking what they're selling.

If your only currency is youth, your account is running dry. Sometimes it seems youth is wasted on the young. 8)

Don't judge a book by it's cover, even if the cover looks all wrinkled and tattered. XB owners young and old alike are all part of the same quirky family. Let's not go splitting up the flock based on age. :mrgreen:

the xB will soon become another pt cruiser :cry:


grr... like anger..... like I have something unique and def pimp.... and now its like...... over popular..... I want it to stay the way it is...... I see one or two a day... thats it. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Any article about scions will tell you that teenagers think toyotas are boring, frumpy cars. Toyota needed a new, hip product to keep itself in business after the baby boomers stop buying cars. Enter scion.

The whole "scion image" is marketing. It's designed to get teenagers like myself to buy scions. The concept is called lifestyle marketing, it's where you associate a certain lifestyle with a product. The idea was to make the scion associated with the young, hip, urban lifestyle. That's why all the xBs in the advertisements have 19s on them, it's why you can buy all those ridiculous options, and it's why they paid graffiti artists to do their magazine covers. And guess what? It worked, a lot of you are drinking their oh-so-hip kool-aid by the gallon.

News flash: you bought a car, not a lifestyle.

The xB is a perfect car for a 4 person family, especially if they already have a minivan. It can fit kids or adults in the back, and can carry a grip of groceries. If soccer moms want to start buying scions that's fine with me, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted not to rice them out like some people do. It'll also make insurance for them go down.

I don't get what the big deal is about scions becoming commonplace. I wouldn't complain if my favorite band went from local underground sensation to the top of the charts, but some people are so in love with being the first to get/know about something that they stop liking it when it becomes popular. In my opinion, that's dumb. Like the car for the car, not the whole stupid image around it and the cooler-than-thou feeling you get when you step out of it.

The xB is a perfect car for a 4 person family, especially if they already have a minivan. It can fit kids or adults in the back, and can carry a grip of groceries. If soccer moms want to start buying scions that's fine with me, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted not to rice them out like some people do. It'll also make insurance for them go down.


It'll also insure that 30 years from now, there will still be some stockers around when people re-discover xBs and want to restore them.

The xB is a perfect car for a 4 person family, especially if they already have a minivan. It can fit kids or adults in the back, and can carry a grip of groceries. If soccer moms want to start buying scions that's fine with me, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted not to rice them out like some people do. It'll also make insurance for them go down.


It'll also insure that 30 years from now, there will still be some stockers around when people re-discover xBs and want to restore them.

Unfortunately, in 30 years all the electronics will be well beyond their MTBF, Toyota will not be interested in producing antique replacements, and all the plastic, including critical engine components, will be turning into powder.

I think that the only way to have a classic Scion would be to buy a new one and store it in a controlled environment for 30 years.

You see a lot of '60s cars (made of metal, no electronics) around SoCal still, but how many cars from the '80s (lotsa plastic, some electronics) do you see?

George

Do you wussies want some cheese to go with your whine :cry: ? xB's must attract an awful lot of anal retentive weenies, judging from many of the posts in these forums.

There's only one difference between the younger guys crying that there's old people driving xB's, and the old people driving them - the old people's ride choice shows they are cool; in a few years we'll see the younger whiny people driving around in ___gy minivans after they get married and have kids, listening to the same tunes from when they were 20, whining and complaining about the new younger people's music and clothes.

Welcome to the free world, buttwipes - anyone with the cash can buy whatever the heck they want, and your opinion doesn't mean jack.


(Man, I shouldn't write posts in the morning after a major party night..... :x )

time for me to start selling "team soccer mom" stickers on scionlife

I am 25 and a guy and I not only drive my daughter to soccer practice when she plays, I drive myself to soccer practice and games in my adult league. It's great to carry everything I need for practice and I can still fit my 6 year old daughter and my 11 month old son in the back. BTW I also have a great sound system that I am currently working on installing myself plus whenever I get money I will get rims and other mods. So I guess I am the soccer dad that all of you are so scared of buying the car. Guess what GET OVER IT!!!

Actually, the more soccer moms and old people that buy the car, the better. Why? It allows us youngins with fixed up boxes to go unnoticed by the cops.

The xB is a perfect car for a 4 person family, especially if they already have a minivan. It can fit kids or adults in the back, and can carry a grip of groceries. If soccer moms want to start buying scions that's fine with me, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted not to rice them out like some people do. It'll also make insurance for them go down.


It'll also insure that 30 years from now, there will still be some stockers around when people re-discover xBs and want to restore them.

Unfortunately, in 30 years all the electronics will be well beyond their MTBF, Toyota will not be interested in producing antique replacements, and all the plastic, including critical engine components, will be turning into powder.

I think that the only way to have a classic Scion would be to buy a new one and store it in a controlled environment for 30 years.

You see a lot of '60s cars (made of metal, no electronics) around SoCal still, but how many cars from the '80s (lotsa plastic, some electronics) do you see?

George

George,

If there are folks that get interested in restoring xB in 30 years, they'll find a way to get around whatever parts challenges they face. I agree that restoring cars from the 60's is likely a lot simpler than cars from the late 70/80's days of smog pumps and serpentine emission/vacuum lines. That said, I can share first hand that if substantial enough interest around a marque arises, parts will become available.

I have two older cars, as shown in my sig. The 78 Landcruiser is restored. I did have to go in a rework odd things like vacuum distribtuion boxes and even resoldered it's "computer", but nearly every nut, bolt, chrome bit, lens, interior knob and steel panel is available as an aftermarket item or in original new old stock. Granted the boxy FJ had a run of nearly 30 years here in the US- longer elsewhere, but the growth of the resto market drove the parts access.

My other 80's car, a turbo Porsche 951, is in the middle of it's restoration/hot rodding. It has far more complex computer systems, but this is actually even more fun. I have a Link AFM piggyback controller that hijacks and reads various sensor and Bosch computer signals and then modifies the signals out to provide more boost, more fuel, different timing, and allows for ultimate tunability with a little hand held controller. It dynoed last with just under 300 horsepower. This car wasn't around nearly as long as the FJ, but nearly every part is available at "some" price. And there are a lot of enthusiasts assuring that there is still a maket for it if I tire of the little turbo hotrod.

The xB could grow into an enthusiasts car to such proporations that it has value after the trend disipates. I don't have a crystal ball, but I do have a hunch that at some time it will. And at that time, the restorers will look at the quaint electronics and fab up replacements or etch new boards or build a USB 5 patch cable to control the whole thing remotely from the back seat while they're watching old movies from the 2010's on their holographic displays. :D

1978 FJ40
http://www.thinkcooper.com/images/3-4front01_web.jpg

1986 951
http://www.thinkcooper.com/images/951_in_driveway_front_web.jpg

Reality is that the car is a great value, and it looks good. I'm 32, I have a 4 year old son, and I mod the car too, so where do I sit in the mix? Are you going to throw rocks at me because Im not in my 20's and mod cars?

I dont understand why you guys are getting your panies in a bundle. It's a car not a 18 and over exclusive club pass thats some 30+ yr. old aquired.

I am 25 and a guy and I not only drive my daughter to soccer practice when she plays, I drive myself to soccer practice and games in my adult league. It's great to carry everything I need for practice and I can still fit my 6 year old daughter and my 11 month old son in the back. BTW I also have a great sound system that I am currently working on installing myself plus whenever I get money I will get rims and other mods. So I guess I am the soccer dad that all of you are so scared of buying the car. Guess what GET OVER IT!!!

im 18 and see more older people driving scions, i think im the only one in va under 22 with a scion

by the way...

http://members.cox.net/wytr1ce/DSC00008.JPG

Its not good for us people that are modifying our cars...people might mistaken them for soccer mom cars...we must stick together and rid people of that notion

In a Homer Simpson voice, "Don't trust anyone over 30...now here's Peter Frampton!" :roll:

You know, different people have different priorities, and if someone with young kids looks at the xB and sees that it has as much room as a small SUV, but the kids won't have to climb in and out of it...c'est la vie! In fact, two friends of ours just had a kid, and I was totally pimping my box to them!

by the way...
http://members.cox.net/wytr1ce/DSC00008.JPG

ROFL! Go TSM!

based upon the posts that i hav read by other forum members, i retract my previous statements.

i had no idea wut i said would hav gotten everybodys thong in a twist :shock: .

i had no idea wut i said would hav gotten everybodys thong in a twist :shock: .

How did you know I wear a thong? :twisted:

Cheers! No hard feelings on my end, I like busting the chops of younguns. :D

i wanted to be different from the rest of the world, so i bought an xB and said screw conformity!

Just like thousands of other non-conformists with xBs... :)

_Real_ non-conformists buy Ford Fairmonts, or AMC Gremlins, or...

the xB will soon become another pt cruiser :cry:

The PT "Loser" will still be uglier :lol:

i had no idea wut i said would hav gotten everybodys thong in a twist :shock: .

I'm not retracting anything I said. I don't care how old you are, if you wanna buy the xB, you're going to regardless of what people say. But, that does'nt mean that we won't laugh at you when we see you driving down the street, going to soccer or ballet or whatever it is that you guys do with your kids. I have recently met some very nice people who drive the xB, and are older or with kids, and I have nothing bad to say about them personally. It just so happens that one of the guys in Va Beach with a xB is 32, but that does'nt stop me from having a total crush on him, just because he's older (no kids though). I am not trying to hurt feelings here, just stating that a car marketed at a younger crowd, should stay that way. If you guys wanna be mad, that's cool, just contact WYT RCE for a "TEAM SOCCER MOM" sticker so we can identify you from the rest of us. :lol:

i had no idea wut i said would hav gotten everybodys thong in a twist :shock: .

I'm not retracting anything I said. I don't care how old you are, if you wanna buy the xB, you're going to regardless of what people say. But, that does'nt mean that we won't laugh at you when we see you driving down the street, going to soccer or ballet or whatever it is that you guys do with your kids.

Thank you for your tolerance! :)

In the same spirit, we olde fartes won't laugh at you youngsters for your endless quest to deafen yourselves, your whining about being busted by the local cops for blatently illegal cosmetic mods, and your habit of adopting non-conformist dress and attitudes that happen to be exactly like your friends' non-conformist dress and attitudes. At least we'll try not to laugh in front of you! :lol:

Sooner or later, you'll figure out what you're doing in the back seat and you'll have kids of your own to put you down!

George

Any article about scions will tell you that teenagers think toyotas are boring, frumpy cars. Toyota needed a new, hip product to keep itself in business after the baby boomers stop buying cars. Enter scion.

The whole "scion image" is marketing. It's designed to get teenagers like myself to buy scions. The concept is called lifestyle marketing, it's where you associate a certain lifestyle with a product. The idea was to make the scion associated with the young, hip, urban lifestyle. That's why all the xBs in the advertisements have 19s on them, it's why you can buy all those ridiculous options, and it's why they paid graffiti artists to do their magazine covers. And guess what? It worked, a lot of you are drinking their oh-so-hip kool-aid by the gallon.

News flash: you bought a car, not a lifestyle.

The xB is a perfect car for a 4 person family, especially if they already have a minivan. It can fit kids or adults in the back, and can carry a grip of groceries. If soccer moms want to start buying scions that's fine with me, I'm pretty sure they can be trusted not to rice them out like some people do. It'll also make insurance for them go down.

I don't get what the big deal is about scions becoming commonplace. I wouldn't complain if my favorite band went from local underground sensation to the top of the charts, but some people are so in love with being the first to get/know about something that they stop liking it when it becomes popular. In my opinion, that's dumb. Like the car for the car, not the whole stupid image around it and the cooler-than-thou feeling you get when you step out of it.

For a teenager, you're pretty smart. Don't take this as a back-handed compliment - you seem to have it pretty much together, in that you can think for yourself and are capable of expressing independent thought. There aren't enough people in this world that can do that. Don't let college rob you of your ability to think (that seems to be what most colleges are good for these days).

But to those of you that don't get it, when I get my Scion, I'll be using it to haul myself to work and back (good fuel economy), buy groceries and my haul kids around on the weekend, so we don't use all the fuel budget with my wife's mini-van. I will proudly haul my kids to soccer practice in the xB because they'll have the coolest ride in town. I had to ride around in a Monza 2+2, so I think the xB will be a big improvement. And if you see me and have a problem with it - get over it, because nobody cares what you think. :lol:

i had no idea wut i said would hav gotten everybodys thong in a twist :shock: .

I'm not retracting anything I said. I don't care how old you are, if you wanna buy the xB, you're going to regardless of what people say. But, that does'nt mean that we won't laugh at you when we see you driving down the street, going to soccer or ballet or whatever it is that you guys do with your kids. I have recently met some very nice people who drive the xB, and are older or with kids, and I have nothing bad to say about them personally. It just so happens that one of the guys in Va Beach with a xB is 32, but that does'nt stop me from having a total crush on him, just because he's older (no kids though). I am not trying to hurt feelings here, just stating that a car marketed at a younger crowd, should stay that way. If you guys wanna be mad, that's cool, just contact WYT RCE for a "TEAM SOCCER MOM" sticker so we can identify you from the rest of us. :lol:

"A car marketed to a younger crowd should stay that way..." it's wrong thinking, but interesting nonetheless. When you turn 32 (which probably won't happen for another 18 years), let's see what you're driving then. When I was 26, the hot car to own was the '97 Toyota Supra VVTi. But, because the snot-nosed tuners have adopted this car, I suppose you'd say I'm too old to drive it, never mind the $30,000+ sticker in 1997. If we followed your logic, the Supra VVTi should be marketed to those that can truly afford it (and appreciate it) and not to the teen/young 20 tuner crowd. I wonder what other products you use today that should be placed out of your reach because you don't fit the demographic?

Let me give you a clue. Toyota doesn't give a rat's tail about who is buying their vehicles, as long as they sell. Same goes for every other major corporation and/or small business in this world. If I'm making a respectable commuter car marketed toward professionals and some snot-nosed tuner with his pants hanging-to-his-knees-because-he-actually-thinks-people-care-about-his-underwear wants to buy it and slap on a coffee-can sized weed-eater exhaust, yellow or red saran wrap on the windows and remove the springs so he can drag his butt on the asphalt, then so be it. Do you think I care? Of course not. I made my money. I don't care what he does to the car. Better yet, I can also make/ market after-market products so the kids keep plugging their cash into my company. Do you think I care about what they're doing? Duh, no, because I got my money. In today's society, cash talks and cash is king.

It's all in good fun, so I don't see why you all are getting worked up. I am simply expressing an opinion, which I see nothing wrong with. I'm 22, and I know that I'll be old, with kids one day. Hell, I'll probally end up driving a minivan, going to soccer practice, to be honest with you. But, I'm still not retracting anything I said, regardless of whether you insult me, or not. I'm sure you are all great guys, and I'm sure you love your cars regardless of young punks like me. I'm not gonna stop you from doing anything in your lives, so calm down. It's JUST an opinion. You are grown men, you can handle an opinion. I may be only 22, but I know when to be the bigger person, and walk away from an argument. Best of luck to all of you, and sorry if I hurt any feelings.

Just think, if 12 year olds could drive, they'd have Joe Camel driving around in the commercials! It's true Toyota is aiming for the younger buyer with Scion, hoping that once you get the family you'll happily trade in for the camry or highlander or whatever they sell to "adults" by then.

This isn't any different than the civic is it? "Mature adults" buy it as an affordable, dependable car, and "immature kids" get it so they can slap a hundred different toys onto it. Everybody gets along, peace and joy reign, all is good. :D I'll only start laughing when the little old lady from the "Where's the Beef?" commercials crawls out of her xB with 20" spinners, flashing ground effects, and 2000w subs. She hits the remote lock and instead of the lights flashing, the front end hops once! She would probably have neon spinners on her walker too!

...the little old lady from the "Where's the Beef?" commercials...

for those of you who missed the 80s...
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v297/mlsaint78/wheresthebeef.jpg
"Where's the beef?"

Just think, if 12 year olds could drive, they'd have Joe Camel driving around in the commercials! It's true Toyota is aiming for the younger buyer with Scion, hoping that once you get the family you'll happily trade in for the camry or highlander or whatever they sell to "adults" by then.

Hmmm, I can follow their logic until we get to a separate brand name. Seems that if they wanted to attract kids to toyotas they would have simply marketed the cars as toyotas as they did in Japan. They could have had the same hip-hop brochures and underground advertising with a Toyota logo attached. This wouldn't have hurt Toyota's image with the older buyer as the older buyer just doesn't read those publications.

What happens in 5 years when all those Gen-Y people suddenly develop 2.7 children and need a minivan? Does the next generation Previa suddenly get a Scion badge and get marketed as "The Scion for Mature Folks"? I hardly think so!

If Scion buyers do separate the Scion marque from the Toyota marque, they will be just as likely to buy a Nissan, Honda, or (shudder) Dodge product the next time they need a car. It seems to me that Scion's marketing is a dead-end without a way to deliver Scion customers to the Toyota showroom the next time around. After dealing with the "kinder, gentler" Scion salespeople do they really want to deliver themselves to the hyenas of the Toyota side? They'd be more likely to visit the Saturn dealer!

George

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I'm not retracting anything I said. I don't care how old you are, if you wanna buy the xB, you're going to regardless of what people say. But, that does'nt mean that we won't laugh at you when we see you driving down the street, . :lol: [/quote]

HA HA this is funny, If cared what people think of me I would not be driving an xB in the first place... You seem the type who is nice to fat kids then make jokes about them behind there back....

I'm in my mid-40's, and just sold a 2003 Dodge SRT-4 to get my 2005 xB. That SRT-4 was a screamer right from the factory, but I added front and rear STBs, Uni dual-stage foam air filter, ram air hose, and drilled/slotted brake rotors. I was getting tired of not quite fitting the demographics that Dodge had in mind when they were marketing the SRT-4, and now I have to hear all this BS in here about the same thing.

When I sold my SRT-4, I wanted to get something that had 4-doors for my kids, decent storage space, got better mpg than my SRT-4, was cheaper to insure, took regular unleaded instead of premium, and was UNIQUE. That last comment pretty much narrowed down my choices. I'm one of those people that have always liked the style of the xB from day one, so I went to a few dealers and checked them out. There certainly is no mistaking the xB for any other car out there. My youngest daughter refers to it as a "mini Hummer", lol! My xB is white, and my wife teases me about it being the mail truck, ice cream truck, etc. But the car definitely gets looks, and I've had several people ask me about it over the course of the two weeks I've owned it.

I was pleasantly surprised at how they drove (no auto trans for me, sticks all the way!). It certainly handles much better than it looks. It had no where near the power, acceleration, or braking of my SRT-4, but then I wasn't expecting it to. For the money, I think it's a great deal.

At least with the SRT-4, I didn't read or see other owners putting the "ricer" mods (interior/underbody lights; wet-fart sounding exhaust; A-pillar gauges; ridiculous-looking non-functional rear wings; window-rattling sounds sytems; etc) or "ghetto" mods (umpteen video screens; huge chrome spinner rims; etc) on them. I'm sure the "younger" crowd that Toyota was aiming for with the Scion will do both of these types of mods to the xB, and I'll just shake my head and say "oh well".

But this 40-something xB owner is having a blast with mine. To all those younger folks who think us "older" folks have no business owning an xB, here's food for thought: "to be old and wise, one must first be young and foolish". I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, so go out and get some cheese with that whine...

It's all in good fun, so I don't see why you all are getting worked up. I am simply expressing an opinion, which I see nothing wrong with. I'm 22, and I know that I'll be old, with kids one day. Hell, I'll probally end up driving a minivan, going to soccer practice, to be honest with you. But, I'm still not retracting anything I said, regardless of whether you insult me, or not. I'm sure you are all great guys, and I'm sure you love your cars regardless of young punks like me. I'm not gonna stop you from doing anything in your lives, so calm down. It's JUST an opinion. You are grown men, you can handle an opinion. I may be only 22, but I know when to be the bigger person, and walk away from an argument. Best of luck to all of you, and sorry if I hurt any feelings.

Not sure where I saw that anyone asked you to retract anything at all. And nobody's insulting you. You sound a like the kids that take the B.S. self-esteem classes in high school; someone disagrees with you and so you say you've been insulted. But, you are 22 and you clearly know everything. Hopefully a fortunte 100 company will ask you to join their board of directors since you know so much. :shock:

been reading this thread for about ten-twenty minitutes and i must say... entertaining.. anyway im 18 and i think the car is bound to end up in the hands of some soccer moms and dads.. but i dont think thats such a bad thing... it just makes it that much more unique when you see a kid driving it ... also .. so are all you 20 some year olds and such saying that in 5-10 years youll hate the box because your too old for that style?.. i think its a great looking auto that holds a bit of a look that wont go outdated...(its a box...boxes have been around far before cars... and we still use them) ... any way the only concern i have about this is i really dont want to see the xb be the next honda..(everyone has a honda) ..My whole attratction to the box is A. ) functionality and style and B.) the fact that 90% of the people that i talk to hate it...hence... instant attraction!