So I'm cruzing down the parkway. Then all the sudden I see a corrolla type S zoomed by me. The car was lowered, tinted, and rims along with a AEM license plate frame. So I thought I'd have some fun..Why not right? So I downshifted and and he sped up. And so it was on. well long story short I he had half a car lenght on me. We went at it 3 times. ALL three times I lost. WASSUP WITH THAT?! I'm so embrassed. and my car is stock by the way. So what do you guys think? any feedback and comments are welcomed.

:rofl:

new or old corolla?

The word Scion in Japanese= SLOW

How sure are you that it was a Corolla S? Perhaps it was an XRS?

2003 model? I think

My wife has a 2003 Corolla. It deffinetly wouldnt have beaten my car when mine was stock. Se either he had something done to it (they have superchargers just like we do) or your driving wasnt to good.

How sure are you that it was a Corolla S? Perhaps it was an XRS?

no it was a corolla type S, because my aunt has one :rofl:

what did u downshift to? more details please.

That's funny...

what did u downshift to? more details please.

Umm I think it was 3rd because I was in 4 gear at 4kish I think I dont recall, but we also went at it at a light, so I dunno what the deal was. I been driving stick my whole life. So I was really disappointed...do they make a supercharger for that model corolla?

How sure are you that it was a Corolla S? Perhaps it was an XRS?

xrs is wannabe celica

but maybe next time you'll pick your battles more wisely
or mod your car alil bit

Learn how to drive.

By the way, if it was supercharged I think it would beat you by more then 1/2 a car.

How sure are you that it was a Corolla S? Perhaps it was an XRS?

xrs is wannabe celica

but maybe next time you'll pick your battles more wisely
or mod your car alil bit


LOL yeah well I just did it for fun anyways. I just thought it would've been interesting to let you guys know. But yeah...that was hilarious maybe I should go FI!

maybe he took off his corolla xrs emblems and stuck some corolla s emblems... i sure as well would do the same if i had a civic type r and made it look like a bone stock dx

maybe he took off his corolla xrs emblems and stuck some corolla s emblems... i sure as well would do the same if i had a civic type r and made it look like a bone stock dx


hmm thats not a bad theory...I can't really tell the differences between a xrs and a corolla type S to be honest with you. LOL

How sure are you that it was a Corolla S? Perhaps it was an XRS?

xrs is wannabe celica

but maybe next time you'll pick your battles more wisely
or mod your car alil bit


LOL yeah well I just did it for fun anyways. I just thought it would've been interesting to let you guys know. But yeah...that was hilarious maybe I should go FI!

they really aren't that quick, even with the AEM license plate :rofl:
but then again, i haven't looked under that guys hood, so i dunno

they really aren't that quick, even with the AEM license plate :rofl:
but then again, i haven't looked under that guys hood, so i dunno[/quote]


hey man that license plate frame gave him an addtional 20 WHP! :rofl:

maybe he took off his corolla xrs emblems and stuck some corolla s emblems... i sure as well would do the same if i had a civic type r and made it look like a bone stock dx


hmm thats not a bad theory...I can't really tell the differences between a xrs and a corolla type S to be honest with you. LOL

If he had disk brakes in the rear it was an XRS if it had drum brakes then it would had been an S.

haha he probably did just remove the XR part.

the XRS is nearly indistinguishable from the S. My gf has the S and i would blow that thing away ANYTIME with my stock tC. However, my friend who has an XRS will stick with me and actually pull me on the highway a little.

the corollas are so much lighter than our cars...

You can easily debadge an XRS, and yes, they make a TRD supercharger for the S model. You find them more on the base model Matrix(the s/c), but it's the same engine.

Anyway, just goes to show, not every modded car on the road is "all show"
Don't judge a book by it's cover (or in this case, it's cheezy license plate frame)

-THE DON

the corollas are so much lighter than our cars...

Wow, My wife owns a corolla and I saw this statement and was sure you were wrong.

But I looked it up....And the Corolla is 400lbs lighter than the tC. That really surprises me. The XRS has 164 hp. So yeah its a deffinet kill. The Regualr corolla has 124hp so the tc should win there.

well my best friend has a corolla xrs and he can smoke a lot of cars. remember horsepower is not everything. i have a celica gts and i can smoke many cars also that have well over 200 and 250+ horsepower. it all depends on the driver, weight, things like that. My buddy and i have raced many tc's with and without trd packages and they don't stand a chance. my buddy also has a nitrus injection stamp by his xrs logo and that gets people trying to race him all the time. he of course does not have nitrous. like said before, don't judge a book by its cover. by the way the corolla s is pretty quick though, they are geared a little different than the xrs but still pretty quick.

still think they are junk

i used to have a corolla s 04, before i bought my tc i also had the aem cai but theyr pretty slow i beat couple acuras and civics

actually dont forget the Corolla 03+ also have TRD SC available....

there are tons of parts of those as well I used to own an 03 Silver S....

a NA 03+ rolla can easly get between 160-180 whp....from 130 stock HP.....so dont feel too bad...to behonest i used to love that car....you can see it on my cardomain still....

w/ intake/exhaust set up it got really decent gains...add pullies into the equation, header...that car can get pretty ballsy for a 4 cyl 1.8 liter engine...and if im not mistaken since i cant remember they are even slight ly lighter than us TC's...

Maybe you should go to Corolla's forums and search "I smoke a Scion tc today" thread, you may know what happened :lol:

well my best friend has a corolla xrs and he can smoke a lot of cars. remember horsepower is not everything. i have a celica gts and i can smoke many cars also that have well over 200 and 250+ horsepower. it all depends on the driver, weight, things like that. My buddy and i have raced many tc's with and without trd packages and they don't stand a chance. my buddy also has a nitrus injection stamp by his xrs logo and that gets people trying to race him all the time. he of course does not have nitrous. like said before, don't judge a book by its cover. by the way the corolla s is pretty quick though, they are geared a little different than the xrs but still pretty quick.

If by TRD Package you mean supercharged, then you wouldnt stand a chance. A TRD Supercharged tC would kill a GT-S with minor bolt-ons. At anyrate, there is no such thing as a TRD Package for the tC.

It was the license plate frame. If that says AEM on it that's a guaranteed 35hp gain at the wheels :P

You should've flagged him down after your runs and found out what he had going on under the hood.

Um, guys the tc is far from the fastest thing on the road. Its far from the fastest Toyota on the road, and i am talking about new toyotas not just old. The 2.4l have gone to some of your brains it sounds like, that and having pretty much the same torque as hp.

1. Corolla is much lighter
2. Similar powered, slightly more powered with the xrs
3. Stock for stock, a s with equal drivers will keep up with your tc.
4. stock for stock, equal xrs driver will beat you.

I mean, i'll even you scions as an example. A 100whp on a xb manual, and the xb will be able to keep up with a stock tc. from a roll, a xb will beat the stock tc. with the autos, 90whp will beat a auto tc from a roll, and fairly keep up with one from a stop.

You guys always forget your car in stock form runs 15.8+ on average (yes, do realize some run faster) and have 3,000lbs+ to pull with a driver.

If by TRD Package you mean supercharged, then you wouldnt stand a chance. A TRD Supercharged tC would kill a GT-S with minor bolt-ons. At anyrate, there is no such thing as a TRD Package for the tC.

I've seen stock stock celica GTS run 14.8's... and I have seen IHE ones run 13 .9's
I haven't been to the track in forever to know what the supercharged tc's can REALLY run with a good driver...

Most supercharged owners I know have too much money with not enough seat time...

it's about driver and power to weight, not numbers on a dynograph...

I liked the xrs fopr the longest time... the first year they made them they had over 170 hp... slowly they are swapping the power for torque...

supercharged or an xrs... I think he was toying with you...

people feel more torque and instantly think the car is moving faster...

If by TRD Package you mean supercharged, then you wouldnt stand a chance. A TRD Supercharged tC would kill a GT-S with minor bolt-ons. At anyrate, there is no such thing as a TRD Package for the tC.

I've seen stock stock celica GT's run 14.8's... and I have seen IHE ones run 13 .9's
I haven't been to the track in forever to know what the supercharged tc's can REALLY run with a good driver...

Most supercharged owners I know have too much money with not enough seat time...

it's about driver and power to weight, not numbers on a dynograph...

I liked the xrs fopr the longest time... the first year they made them they had over 170 hp... slowly they are swapping the power for torque...

supercharged or an xrs... I think he was toying with you...

people feel more torque and instantly think the car is moving faster...

Well said! :clap: At least someone else here can think openly... Although, i think you mean the gt-s, not the gt.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

whatever it was, I stayed on him, he didnt pull away from me any more than about half a car lenght, still it was pretty bad. Oh well

Why are you embarassed to be beat by a corolla? Because you have the big camry engine and all. :rofl:

Um, guys the tc is far from the fastest thing on the road. Its far from the fastest Toyota on the road, and i am talking about new toyotas not just old. The 2.4l have gone to some of your brains it sounds like, that and having pretty much the same torque as hp.

1. Corolla is much lighter
2. Similar powered, slightly more powered with the xrs
3. Stock for stock, a s with equal drivers will keep up with your tc.
4. stock for stock, equal xrs driver will beat you.

I mean, i'll even you scions as an example. A 100whp on a xb manual, and the xb will be able to keep up with a stock tc. from a roll, a xb will beat the stock tc. with the autos, 90whp will beat a auto tc from a roll, and fairly keep up with one from a stop.

You guys always forget your car in stock form runs 15.8+ on average (yes, do realize some run faster) and have 3,000lbs+ to pull with a driver.

killer, I am sorry but i own both. That means you can take driver experience and all out of it. My tC when stock was deffinetly faster than my corolla. Its no question no doubt nothing. I dont have the XRS. And the CE is the same performance as the S.

Again, I have both, and my Corolla is not near as fast as the stock tC.

There ya go. I can guarantee that the tC is faster with the same driver in both. I drove the corolla for 3 years in italy on the autobahn. I KNOW WHAT IT WILL DO!!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/nick120580/IMG_4012.jpg

1) if it was an S, it was S/C

2) it could have really been an XRS

3) You can't drive as good as you would like to think you could. (don't worry, sometimes #3 bites me in the a$$)

As rhythm posted, it was probably one of those three things. I didnt check out your mods but Im guessing it was probably a rolla S with a couple mods done to it.

Buddy of mine had an 03 rolla LE (lighter than the S) and he ran a 16.0 at the track stock. He now owns an XRS and it wouldnt even be close if you raced one of those.

Everyone makes excuses.

Maybe you should go to Corolla's forums and search "I smoke a Scion tc today" thread, you may know what happened :lol:

Yeah, if he was actually smoked and if it was really that big of an accomplishment to beat a tc.

The s runs and 12.4 in the 1/8 and the tc will run in the high 9's. My friend has one and i have beat it many times in a 1.5 civic.

Everyone makes excuses.


OMG! Dude, I thought you might have died or something... I think this is the first post I've seen you make in this section of SL in like 5 or 6 months.

As much as I hate "keyboard racing," look up some stats here, guys.

Motor Trend tested a 2003 Corolla S:
0-60: 8.3
1/4 mile: 16.8 @ 88mph.

Road and Track's test of a 2005 tC:
0-60 7.4
1/4 mile: 15.6 @ 89.9

Although the tC is faster on paper, in real life, a ton of factors come into play.

As much as I hate "keyboard racing," look up some stats here, guys.

Motor Trend tested a 2003 Corolla S:
0-60: 8.3
1/4 mile: 16.8 @ 88mph.

Road and Track's test of a 2005 tC:
0-60 7.4
1/4 mile: 15.6 @ 89.9

Although the tC is faster on paper, in real life, a ton of factors come into play.



Yeah, like crappy drivers.... :lalala:

the person who says he has both the corolla and the tC and knows for certain that when both cars are stock that the tC is quicker...

does both cars have a manual transmissions?

corollas in stick shift would destroy an auto tC with a good driver imo

Wifes is a manul, mines a stick.

I dont know how you would say the manual corolla would win for sure. Have you not seen the times posted by others in this thread?

I dont understand where the debate is about this:

Motor Trend tested a 2003 Corolla S:
0-60: 8.3
1/4 mile: 16.8 @ 88mph.

Road and Track's test of a 2005 tC:
0-60 7.4
1/4 mile: 15.6 @ 89.9

oops wife is auto

The s runs and 12.4 in the 1/8 and the tc will run in the high 9's. My friend has one and i have beat it many times in a 1.5 civic.

x1

As rhythm posted, it was probably one of those three things. I didnt check out your mods but Im guessing it was probably a rolla S with a couple mods done to it.

Buddy of mine had an 03 rolla LE (lighter than the S) and he ran a 16.0 at the track stock. He now owns an XRS and it wouldnt even be close if you raced one of those.

I would be that buddy. My stone stock 03 Rolla weighed in at 2600 (including stereo) and I went 16.0 at 88. I put a SRI on for a while but never ran with it. I would beat 99-00 Si's all the time. Two of my friends had them with I/E and I never lost from any speed. IF the guy had an S/C, he would have pushed your butt-fur in. The S/C cars run 14.7 to 15.2. If it was an XRS, you would have known, especially if he had an intake. The sound of lift is absurdly loud, and there is no way you would have not heard it as he was passing you. I went 14.9 with an Injen CAI and a Magnaflow muffler (on TC wheels :rofl: ) so unless you have a TRD S/C, or a ton of NA mods... :no:

I would be that buddy. My stone stock 03 Rolla weighed in at 2600 (including stereo) and I went 16.0 at 88. I put a SRI on for a while but never ran with it. I would beat 99-00 Si's all the time. Two of my friends had them with I/E and I never lost from any speed. IF the guy had an S/C, he would have pushed your butt-fur in. The S/C cars run 14.7 to 15.2. If it was an XRS, you would have known, especially if he had an intake. The sound of lift is absurdly loud, and there is no way you would have not heard it as he was passing you. I went 14.9 with an Injen CAI and a Magnaflow muffler (on TC wheels :rofl: ) so unless you have a TRD S/C, or a ton of NA mods... :no:

A few NA tC's are hitting 14.9's with bolt-ons (I/H/DP/E).

Heres a funny story.

I'm driving (kinda fast) down the FFX parkway approaching huntsman blvd. The light turns red and I'm in the right lane with nobody in front of me. A black or dark gray tC pulls up next to me in the left lane. The light turns green and I take off normally. I hear the tC gun it and I'm like ok....So I just floor it and let the engine go to 8200 and pull on him a little. We keep catching lights but this guy stays behind me because I don't think he had many chances to try and pass w/ traffic. He did manage to keep on me fairly well. When I pulled off at Ox Rd (rt 123) I gave him the peace sign. There was a Solara on the parkway w/ an exhaust as we pulled off.

I have a 2005 Corolla XRS. I DO NOT have tint or an AEM plate frame. I DO NOT have any engine mods. I kinda think it was me you raced. You're like the 3274623932462379th scion thats wanted to race me. Hey though, It was all fun. The car looked clean or like it was washed not too long ago btw. I'd like to find 2 other cars that I share similar stories with.

Here are 2 pictures of my car.. see if you recognize it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/toyrolla/100_0548s.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/toyrolla/100_0470s.jpg

btw... its not type-s. Its Corolla S.

I would love to race a corolla XRS from a stop, but I never see any of them around here. :(

LOL - I was going to go off and explain more about the Corolla, considering it is a HUGE part of SCION Heritage, well all things Toyota are...when you guys realize who MADE your tC's (which look sick done up, btw) we'll talk...

Brian-

Great-lookin' car zze131! I'd love to pick up an XRS someday!

I would love to race a corolla XRS from a stop, but I never see any of them around here. :(

Just look for 16" wheels or color keyed grills. I'm starting to see them a lot more frequently here.

dude thats one sweet looking xrs
the tail lights look like something from the factory what kind are they ?

i love the 8th gen corollas 99-02
my dad has one i would put my hands on when i get some money to mod it

to me the tC is the second generation of what the corolla AE86 was

the hachi rouku evolved into what we tC owners are driving
other than the fact that corolla AE86 were RWD
and are still the best cars to drift in !

DRIFT KING in japan practice drifting and invented drifting in a Corolla AE86

all credits goes to him and the corolla

no doubt

what does scion people know about Toyota Corolla's 4AG-E motors built jointly by toyota and yamaha?

all in the Toyota heritage
the vvti motors now in toyotas are not at all inspired by the 5 valves per cylinder 4 individual throttle bodies motors toyota used to built anyway

yamaha quoted that it was the closest toyota has ever gotten in building race-inspired motor with the 20valves inline 4s.

i dont care how much power you could get to the front wheels
its all about balance

all power going into the front wheels (despite add ons like limited slip ) and all pressure from braking going to the front wheels = ouch big time!

*no sports car should be front wheel drive if you want the best handling
i m hoping toyota will bring back the corolla's fame with a new future with AWD or a rear wheel drive systems to its corollas

it might never come to the US market like always..
the Japanese also say that their citizens will benefit from the best FIRST before anybody else

they used to be fun affortable economical rearwheel drive cars that was affordable for many

now talking about this i m getting even more impatient about what toyota and subaru together are doing in japan. ..

the point is however
dont argue people

ignorance kills you

Funny story.

My Matrix was faster than stock tC - about 170whp and 2700lbs - all it takes is a TRD supercharger for 1ZZ-FE and you can mess with people's brains all day long...

what does scion people know about Toyota Corolla's 4AG-E motors built jointly by toyota and yamaha?

all in the Toyota heritage
the vvti motors now in toyotas are not at all inspired by the 5 valves per cylinder 4 individual throttle bodies motors toyota used to built anyway

yamaha quoted that it was the closest toyota has ever gotten in building race-inspired motor with the 20valves inline 4s.

i dont care how much power you could get to the front wheels
its all about balance

all power going into the front wheels (despite add ons like limited slip ) and all pressure from braking going to the front wheels = ouch big time!

*no sports car should be front wheel drive if you want the best handling
i m hoping toyota will bring back the corolla's fame with a new future with AWD or a rear wheel drive systems to its corollas

it might never come to the US market like always..
the Japanese also say that their citizens will benefit from the best FIRST before anybody else

they used to be fun affortable economical rearwheel drive cars that was affordable for many

now talking about this i m getting even more impatient about what toyota and subaru together are doing in japan. ..

the point is however
dont argue people

ignorance kills you

Dont argue people ignorance kills you? If fwd is so horrible for handling, is this why type-r's and other fwd cars have done so well in circuits? Is this why the integra and civic type r both can out handle cars in the 90's such as the rx7? Both rwd and fwd drivetrains aren't declaired the drivetrain to have and i don't recall you saying you were a professional, are you? Because its all about using fwd as an advantage, its not impossible but balance and skill is key. Obviously 3,000lbs+ driver, + fwd, + top heavy car such as the tC isn't ideal. I'm not defending that. What i am saying is, however, fwd is not useless and for you to state rwd is the only drive train thats worth it is in itself ignorant.

i am talking about street performance car here

where you drive in mountain roads or twisties
not in a circuit race that requires less braking

your rebuttal just helped me argue my point even better

our tCs = touring coupes

and what does rsx-type 's or 'R stand for?

Sport / Racing

those cars are more sporty cars
they were designed and engineered to support that

I just want tC owners to stop arguing how great their tCs could be over the corolla not knowing the background and heritage of the company's most respected car is the Corolla

and really not all fwd setups are bad for handling

but most are

its just the concept or FWD /fact that tires are the only things that touches the pavement

long term usuage of the front wheels to stop and go in traffic or any type of driving like auto cross will quickly degrad the tire's ability to hold corners as heat accumulates mostly in the front rubbers

which then also hinders the FWD vehicle's potential
compared to compared to a RWD vehicle that puts power to the REAR wheels and braking with mostly the front wheels (unless you are drifting) less heat will be accumulated up front allowing better handling afterall

or in this case handling will also become worst in windy roads or race track with a FWD car just because of that concept

i am talking about street performance car here

where you drive in mountain roads or twisties
not in a circuit race that requires less braking

your rebuttal just helped me argue my point even better

our tCs = touring coupes

and what does rsx-type 's or 'R stand for?

Sport / Racing

those cars are more sporty cars
they were designed and engineered to support that

I just want tC owners to stop arguing how great their tCs could be over the corolla not knowing the background and heritage of the company's most respected car is the Corolla

and really not all fwd setups are bad for handling

but most are

its just the concept or FWD /fact that tires are the only things that touches the pavement

long term usuage of the front wheels to stop and go in traffic or any type of driving like auto cross will quickly degrad the tire's ability to hold corners as heat accumulates mostly in the front rubbers

which then also hinders the FWD vehicle's potential
compared to compared to a RWD vehicle that puts power to the REAR wheels and braking with mostly the front wheels (unless you are drifting) less heat will be accumulated up front allowing better handling afterall

or in this case handling will also become worst in windy roads or race track with a FWD car just because of that concept

I agree with you that tC owners need to stop comparing their cars to more performance oreinted cars and also comparing the car to a car with heritage such as the corolla. However, as to the more wear on fwd cars yes, this is true and no one will be able to argue with this point. However, in return rwd has the same issues with rear tires. While the braking and steering are on the front and only the power is going to the rear, the rear tires will wear out very close to the same amount as the front tires on a fwd car due to the fact that it takes less power to spin the tires of rwd. Not to mention, if enough power is there and your in an enviroment such as autocross, once the tire tread has faded your more than likely to go into a mini drift around each corner than you are to stay firm and tight. Each drivetrain has its pros and cons.

With twisty roads on the street, fwd isn't bad either. Given you as the driver know the limits of the car, you can use the brakes much less and let the motor break for you right before a corner and accelerate out. With this information alone, will also suggest that usually and generally speaking, you will not need to corner and brake at the same time. One or the other, its usually accerating and cornering which means that although your drivetrain wheels and mostly used brakes are the same, the tire wear isn't going to significant change the abilities of the car unless you either A. Don't know what your doing or B. Don't have a proper % of tread left from the start.

With all of this said, the corolla is respected. I agree with you there, but even suggesting the tC is much faster than the Corolla it still isn't accomplishing much. Corolla isn't the same as it was back in the ae86 time period, its a much different car that needs to be taken differently. Toyota has obviously lost its edge with the car, but does saying the tC is faster make the tC that much better? No, it doesn't. Infact, in my opinion its kind of pathetic that people make excuses as to why he was beat (tc owner) because in the end both cars are mid-high 15's in the 1/4, and since thats what we are talking about and not cornering thats reality. Both cars are slow, the xrs will infact beat the tC and the S will more than likely be pretty close given the numbers an average tC owner does.

cool. nice input

i havent gone to an autocross event yet so i dont know exactly how bad brake fade can be with the tC in a driven hard situation

i am not worried tho
i guess those trd performance brake pads i bought might help...

but on the other hand
this is a great link to read about toyota's best race engines coded 4AG-E

http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Information/4ag_tech_notes.htm

all it matters is that you got beaten by one of the ugliest cars on the street, ahahh

if it makes you feel any better, yeah that thing is hideous. you win points by looking good. :)

my guess is that's a corrolla XRS, and yes it'll eat you by breakfast. just like some of the neons, or beetle.

the bone stock scion tC is slow, don't let the looks fool you.

Heres a funny story.

I'm driving (kinda fast) down the FFX parkway approaching huntsman blvd. The light turns red and I'm in the right lane with nobody in front of me. A black or dark gray tC pulls up next to me in the left lane. The light turns green and I take off normally. I hear the tC gun it and I'm like ok....So I just floor it and let the engine go to 8200 and pull on him a little. We keep catching lights but this guy stays behind me because I don't think he had many chances to try and pass w/ traffic. He did manage to keep on me fairly well. When I pulled off at Ox Rd (rt 123) I gave him the peace sign. There was a Solara on the parkway w/ an exhaust as we pulled off.

I have a 2005 Corolla XRS. I DO NOT have tint or an AEM plate frame. I DO NOT have any engine mods. I kinda think it was me you raced. You're like the 3274623932462379th scion thats wanted to race me. Hey though, It was all fun. The car looked clean or like it was washed not too long ago btw. I'd like to find 2 other cars that I share similar stories with.

Here are 2 pictures of my car.. see if you recognize it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/toyrolla/100_0548s.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/toyrolla/100_0470s.jpg

btw... its not type-s. Its Corolla S.




LMAO!!!! OMFG haha it was you dude, I was wondering who that was. that was a good race though, too bad i'm stock =(

my guess is that's a corrolla XRS, and yes it'll eat you by breakfast. just like some of the neons, or beetle.

the bone stock scion tC is slow, don't let the looks fool you.

Stock for stock the XRS might win by about a car length in 3rd gear.. but it's not like it's going to blow it away, a few slow shifts in the XRS and the tC would win.

In 1st and 2nd gear the XRS would get beat by a tC with a good driver. tC's have alot more torque and great gearing. 3rd gear is just weak without any mods, so I think the XRS would pull ahead slightly.

Bottom line is, without mods on either one, they're both slow.