Strut Brace Install (Rear, Ingalls) [Archive]

Kaeon

06-05-2006, 04:31 PM

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Tools Needed:
Socket Set (Metric)
Power Drill (Must be big enough for a 7/16th bit)
Torque Wrench
7/16th Drill Bit

Optional:
Car Jack (Depending how big your drill is)

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First things first

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Open your box and remove your tower brace

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Aswell as your Install Kit

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Next remove your trunks interior (Mine has been gutted for a while now, but to remove simply turn the two knobs on the top of the trunk cover and remove it. Next remove the storage cubby foam from the trunk (They are held in by small clips, I think there is two clips per cubby. Save them for latter use

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Next remove the two nearest bolts on each shock tower. They are 14mm.

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Next place your tower brace in to get a rough fit. You will notice the end legs (Red Circle) Line up with white plastic clips. You’re going to need to drill those clips out to 7/16th's. There is one on each side.

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But wait! There is a catch! The driver side location has a bolt right in the way.

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You will need to get under the car on the driver side and remove the 1st bolt (One closest to the front of the car) And drill the threads out to make a 7/16th's hole. (Depending on how big your drill is you may want to jack the car up a few clicks so you have more room to work.

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Now place your spacers over your freshly drilled out holes and place the tower brace over them. Finish it off with a washer and the bolt.
(Correction!! Rob has told me to put the spacer on the underside of the car, You should have less fitment issues with the storage cubbys.
So it would go bolt > washer > brace > car > big spacer > washer > nut.

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The bolt should clear the chassis and come out of the other side. If it doesn’t check your hole to make sure its big enough. Or take the bolt out and retry. Place your supplied 14mm nut and washer on this bolt and tighten down (You may want to grab a buddy of yours to hold the bolt in place while you tighten down the nut. You will need a 17mm for the Bolt and a 14mm for the nut.

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Replace tower bolts and tighten down well.

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Vwala! All Done!

Review:
The Install took about an hour to do. It required hand tools and a little know how. The brace itself is a great quality piece. It has a tough grey wrinkle finish for durabitly. The welds are solid and clean. The bars are "Beefy" but yet not over done or heavy. I did a "bend test" and these baby’s are solid!!!. Check out this picture Rob sent me!

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What I really like about these is the fact it uses 4 mounting spots instead of two. And How you still have space for your spare tire!. A short test ride resulted in a noticeable difference in the corners the back end felt a little more "solid" then usual. I felt less vibrations from the trunk area (Even with it gutted) I will run some more tests to see how it performs may have to hit the course up pretty soon :P

Great product from a Great company! :bow:

Some people are concerned about not being able to use their storage cubby's again. There are a few things you can do.

One (If your like me) Say the hell with it and leave them out.
Two you can zip-tie the jack or anything else needed to the bar itself
Three trim the cubby so that they fit with the bar
Four go to an audio shop and have them trim the cubby

I personally said the hell with it just like I said to hell with the front bumper lol
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Special thanks to Rob @ http://www.ingallseng.com for his help with this review!

Updated Day Two: I was driving on the highway today and heard a slight "squeeking" noise from the rear trunk area. I thought maybe a bolt had came loose. I check the bolts and they were all tight. Im going to keep an eye out on this to see... Other then that the car rides great very stiff as I said before.

asthmatic

06-05-2006, 05:08 PM

pictures with the storage pieces cut out: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1614055#1614055

great write up. youre car is awesome
the manual says that the 4 stut nuts need to be torqued at 59 ft/lb.
I havent heard a squeak on mine, yet...

robstamina

06-05-2006, 05:12 PM

GREAT WRITE UP PAUL!!!!!!!

also mention that the "Big Spacer" is in this sequence for the attachment closest to the bumper...

bolt>small washer>brace>car>"big spacer">small spacer nut

feel free guys to email me ?'s

robs@ingallseng.com

R2D2

06-05-2006, 05:13 PM

:eyes: :money: :eyes: :love:

exige

06-05-2006, 05:56 PM

please please please do not turn this into an advertising thread for all the stores. its a great write up. stores leave it to the sponsored section.

Kaeon

06-05-2006, 06:44 PM

please please please do not turn this into an advertising thread for all the stores. its a great write up. stores leave it to the sponsored section.

To the retailers we know you want to sell these but we do these reviews to promote a certain product. Not a certain retailer. Please do not post direct links to products on your site in these types of posts. You can explain that you offer these product etc. But do not post direct links, leave those for your retailer posts! Thank You!

jrv2000

06-05-2006, 06:45 PM

:bow: :bow: :bow: Thank you thank you thank you!!!

exige

06-05-2006, 06:46 PM

kaeon pm'ed you

paul_dezod

06-05-2006, 06:50 PM

Ok. I agree. I did not expect a rush of other vendors to try to do the same. Geeeesh. LOL

Anyway, yes we sell this item, have same day shipping before 2 PM EST and are listing for $165 shipped. Great write up Paul.

GREAT NAME TOO!!! LOL

ultrarev

06-05-2006, 10:54 PM

We have them in stock already ready to ship call us 1-877-858-7272

KCTTC

06-05-2006, 11:17 PM

paul_dezod

06-05-2006, 11:22 PM

Lookin good guys.

ADRdesignCo

06-05-2006, 11:31 PM

that looks awesome! i wish i waited till this one came out. i got the greddy rear strut which was a pain to install (had to basically rip out my WHOLE back area). but anyways, man that looks great!

asthmatic

06-06-2006, 12:01 AM

hey jeremy, does your jack fit in back words?

robstamina

06-06-2006, 01:53 AM

-Keith-

06-06-2006, 02:18 AM

Revilo

06-06-2006, 02:24 AM

so this one would replace the rear strut bar?

jwaggz82

06-06-2006, 05:19 AM

so this one would replace the rear strut bar?

the tc comes stock w/ a rear sway bar ....no strut bar.

Revilo

06-06-2006, 06:02 AM

KCTTC

06-06-2006, 06:05 AM

hey jeremy, does your jack fit in back words?

The jack is flipped. That is the best way it would fit. You have to cut the panel a little bit as you can see in my second to last pic. You will still have to put something on the strut bar so the jack will not vibrate against it. This way the cover will still fit.

Jeremy

KCTTC

06-06-2006, 06:17 AM

Here are a few pics of my install.

http://f5.putfile.com/6/15518091457-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/15518091457.jpg&s=f5)
http://f5.putfile.com/6/15518081437-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/15518081437.jpg&s=f5)
http://f5.putfile.com/6/15518064429-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/15518064429.jpg&s=f5)
http://f5.putfile.com/6/15518053917-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/15518053917.jpg&s=f5)

Jeremy

did the jack styrofoam holder get dremeled? or did it just fit..

also what do you think of it now that it is installed?

There are alot of people that said this would not be worth it or "I will wait to see what others say". Well you can hate all you want but this made a huge difference.

Jeremy

Somnambulated

06-06-2006, 09:47 AM

robstamina

06-06-2006, 03:49 PM

Thanks for posting this. I'm going to install my brace as soon as I get home from work tomorrow. Should be there ready and waiting.

Did you have to jack up your car to get to the bolt? I might be making a trip to my parents to use the 2-ton jack, and so I can block the wheels...

You do not need to jack the car up if you do not want to.. it is easy to get to that rear section just going under the car...basically all you need is another person to hold a wrench while you tighten 2 nuts below...

robstamina

06-06-2006, 03:53 PM

yes... i know that (sway bar). i mean it would take the place of the MMW Rear strut bar or the GReddy one. my question was... if installing this rear tower brace, the rear strut bar would not be needed any more?

it bolts in the same as other rear strut bars.. this one is way "beefier" cause it is a 4 point as opposed to the traditional 2 point..so no you can't attach another bar since it goes in the same place..

Ingalls developed a 2 point also in r&d but there was a HUGE difference in handling compared to the 4 point we actually went to production with..

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 04:54 PM

NoLimitzBuilt

06-06-2006, 05:30 PM

exige

06-06-2006, 05:59 PM

i agree great write up...but bro...are you really worried about what its gonna look like when your spare tire and other stuff goes back in the trunk? i mean if the part works then it works....doesnt matter how pretty it is when it's hiding...

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 06:27 PM

having no interior helps

CorSport

06-06-2006, 06:42 PM

I hate to say this.. but that looks cheap as hell. Square tubing? You know there is maybe 3 dollars in that part. If it came in a nice round tube I think it would look better. I am not a person to put down a part but that looks really really cheap. It looks like a home made peice. Not a peice from such a well known company.
Great write up though. I do not want to knock that at all. Cause it is guys like you that make the rest of our worlds easier by being able to follow the easy to install parts. GREAT WRITE UP.

The finish is actually a speckled dimpled silver with black and white --- pretty slick if you ask me, and the quality of the overall finish up close is apparent. By the way, If you really can make these for $3 -- go ahead and call me up, Ill buy 100. ;)

Tai

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 06:46 PM

i actually like the finish, glad its not silver or plain black,etc.

almost is camo'd with my eDead in the back

Ryhian

06-06-2006, 07:08 PM

So can you have this installed as well as a rear sway bar?

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 07:11 PM

uh, yeah

rear sway bar, under car
shock tower brace, above car

Ryhian

06-06-2006, 07:13 PM

Ok thats what I thought. Was just making sure since it was 4 point and all.

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 07:17 PM

you wont have a problem

robstamina

06-06-2006, 09:58 PM

ScionBandit

06-06-2006, 10:14 PM

nice write up Kaeon, should help a few ppl on here out

if you have a dremel with small sanding pads, i rec. using that, or if your dremel can get a drill bit in, use that. makes the job MUCH easier

use eye protection as sparks will fly!!!

the difference in putting this shock tower brace on as opposed to my rear strut bar
is as clear as night-day. the brace holds the rear end pretty stiff, did not feel any rear-end wobble (as of yet)
i am hitting corners a tad faster and im able to hold them deeper in the corner too, no need to duck out early

very nice product, i rec. to those looking for a good, inexpensive suspension mod
can't wait to test it out on road course shortly

watch out using a dremel!! The only issue using a dremel is that you could make the hole too big..(seen it happen b4)

glad you liked the product...and you were the biggest skeptic of it in the other thread..lol

never heard back from your guy from your dealership...

are you running the damper also on your car?

Also give us a status report of what you think of the handeling on the road course..

What did you do about relocating the jack?

1.) im an expert with the Dremel, so no worries
2.)i switched over to Subaru service now, but I am still hounding the parts manager about setting an account
3.) i will give a status report on the road course, but i am not going until my
clutch/flywheel/LSD is in
4.)I have no rear interior, rear passenger panels are coming out next week

and no i do not have the damper. i HAD the weapon-r when it first came out, but i demolished that, just waiting on my motor mounts from ZPI ( :blah: )

robstamina

06-06-2006, 10:24 PM

I hate to say this.. but that looks cheap as hell. Square tubing? You know there is maybe 3 dollars in that part. If it came in a nice round tube I think it would look better. I am not a person to put down a part but that looks really really cheap. It looks like a home made peice. Not a peice from such a well known company.
Great write up though. I do not want to knock that at all. Cause it is guys like you that make the rest of our worlds easier by being able to follow the easy to install parts. GREAT WRITE UP.

we tried to use a bracket system with a round tube design and it didn't work as well as the solid piece..

in regards to it looking cheap..
we wanted to keep cost down especailly on a product that isn't going to be visible so making in plated chrome and all iced out would transfer cost..

also 10' of steel sqaure tubing is pretty pricey...

NoLimitzBuilt

06-06-2006, 11:31 PM

Tecrun19

06-07-2006, 02:03 AM

The color of the bar goes well with my Edead V3 in black. I just need to take it to a local audio place and have them cut up the inserts so I can fit them back in

Kaeon

06-07-2006, 03:40 AM

The finish on the bar is nice, I would have prefered it black like the original design but everyone will want something different im going to throw some paint on mine and all will be well..

robstamina

06-07-2006, 05:38 AM

Rob.. how thick is the metal that is used? I am just curious cause you can tell the end is a stamped process where the rear bolts go through.
Dont get me wrong Im not saying this is nt a good peice to buy. Im just saying that it looks inexpensive. I should not have used Cheap. I do understand that alot of people are going to be using this in there car and under factory peices. So the "bling" factor does not need to be there. Once again I am not saying it does not work at all. Im glad to see someone going the extra mile to make these parts.

the majority of the construction of the bar is tig welded with stamp ends..

In relation to how thick the bar is I am not sure..in relation to strength I am trying to get a photo of 4 of my co workers(+600lbs) to stand on the four corners of the bar to show the stregth of the bar to show that it does not bend..Basically it is more of a "function over form" piece with making sure that it performs more than looks considering most people will have it under the carpeting etc...Ingalls had over 7 different actual designs in relation to developing this and we are very satisfied with the performance but compromiseed on the "bling"..

Now wait for the 3 point front upper strut brace we have in development..both function and bling..built in damper bracketery..multi colors..multi dampening force.. :wink:

The_Instigator

06-07-2006, 05:48 AM

Sounds good. Ive got your rear brace on order and will definitely give it a good workout. Be interesting to see how the front bar does when it comes out.

asthmatic

06-07-2006, 06:05 AM

you are gonna love this bar. i fall more and more in love with it when I hit all kinds of turns. My car is way stable now
!!!!

asthmatic

06-07-2006, 06:07 AM

Now wait for the 3 point front upper strut brace we have in development..both function and bling..built in damper bracketery..multi colors..multi dampening force.. :wink:

woohoo!!!

robstamina

06-07-2006, 06:51 AM

you are gonna love this bar. i fall more and more in love with it when I hit all kinds of turns. My car is way stable now
!!!!

Glad you like it..

I too was really impressed with how this product improved the tc's handeling..like I said on the other thread.."the difference is night and day"

robstamina

06-07-2006, 06:52 AM

Now wait for the 3 point front upper strut brace we have in development..both function and bling..built in damper bracketery..multi colors..multi dampening force.. :wink:

woohoo!!!

be patient though..

this front bar we are developing is CRAZY!!!

davedavetC

06-07-2006, 09:09 PM

the more i look at this bar the more i want it lol. im thinkin once i get the money, im gonna pick this and the stiffy up.

CorSport

06-07-2006, 09:27 PM

the more i look at this bar the more i want it lol. im thinkin once i get the money, im gonna pick this and the stiffy up.

When you do check us out. We have an unbeatable deal on the combo package with free shipping. ;)

Tai
CorSport

davedavetC

06-07-2006, 09:45 PM

will do! i just checked your website thats a pretty good price for the 2. thanks.

CorSport

06-07-2006, 09:55 PM

will do! i just checked your website thats a pretty good price for the 2. thanks.

np, thank you.

coppermine18

06-07-2006, 10:10 PM

A quick note on the go;

Install was fun last night for the brace - it also eliminated the little clunky noise of my sunroof at low speeds I really have to nail a bump sideways to get it now - no random rattle for me. ;) I can't wait to put it to work at this weekends AutoX

If anyone wants any details or photos of my install let me know I'd be glad to help I'll post about my experience later tonight when I get a minute the IT world is givin' me hell today! ;)

I grabbed some steel braided brake lines (and a clutch line since I was already at it) as well which I have never put on any of my vehicles before and when bleeding the brakes I could feel a pressure difference however response on braking while driving is quicker I'm not having to lay into the pedal as hard a small tap goes a long ways if you really are picky about your cars performance you will feel it for sure! The clutch line provides a really smooth clutch feel and the friction point comes a bit quicker - I'll see any differences this weekend I'm sure.

I love a tight feeling car though and the stiffy/shock brace and braided lines have tighened the car up alot.

I am absolutley happy with the product!

CorSport

06-07-2006, 10:32 PM

coppermine18

06-07-2006, 11:20 PM

What I said before you can scroll up and read ;)

Excellent feedback on the lines and brace. :bow:

Well - when you start trying to throw a lil over 2900 lbs around cones... or want to really control the weight. It counts. A car that is going to go out and kick some ___ (like mine :P ) it takes more than just making the car go fast... You have to MANHANDLE it. I want my car to stop when I say stop - go when I say go - carve like a ski with the tires grabbing the pavement.

I enjoy watching a car a fly down a 1/4 mile but when I started racin' autox my car was pretty dang awesome on on oval weaving at higher speeds. Then they went and put me in a parking lot and tightened things up - well that's where the differences came out. Car felt like slop!

Miata's and MR2s and mini coopers were out there stomping on people.

I learning from some nationals drivers and some awesome people here what it takes. You have to go for the 'overall' performance.

I garuntee I've spent less than a turbo kit (which I'd like after I have the car under my complete control) and my car is handling amazingly - I want to be out there making a statement for Scion on the track my car gets looks up and down all day long from people everywhere I travel to race to and I'm proud to show it and the parts.

It's been called a

"sky-on" and a "tc-3" and a "what the hell is that" and "that guy in the white and black car I need to try to beat" - personally I like the last one ;)

Now that my car is doing well I am looking torwards race tires/wheels forced induction - LSD and possibly some coilovers...

I've got some more goodies already on the way though.

Talking to Rob over at Ingalls they are pretty bent on not just providing a part or two they are putting out the parts that make a difference and putting them together just adds to the beauty of what they do for me. I wanna win.

OK - I think that can of rockstar got me going.

robstamina

06-07-2006, 11:38 PM

What I said before you can scroll up and read ;)

Excellent feedback on the lines and brace. :bow:

Talking to Rob over at Ingalls they are pretty bent on not just providing a part or two they are putting out the parts that make a difference and putting them together just adds to the beauty of what they do for me. I wanna win.

OK - I think that can of rockstar got me going.

As cheesy as it sounds.. we develop parts that we use on our own cars!!!

Tell us what you think when you get done this weekend..

Those brake and clutchline def. do the trick...

and lay off the rockstar..lol

robstamina

06-07-2006, 11:45 PM

We have a review going in S3 and Sport Compact for this part...

FLINT where are you??

Calling Flint

melvynray

06-08-2006, 04:38 AM

is this one worth it compared to the regular rear bars?

robstamina

06-08-2006, 04:46 AM

is this one worth it compared to the regular rear bars?

3 ft of tubular bracketed aluminum...

or

8' of solid steel with an extra 2 mounting points...hmmm

It basically reacts double from the 3 other bars we tested it against...

coppermine18

06-08-2006, 07:08 AM

is this one worth it compared to the regular rear bars?

Once I put my hand on it I could just tell it was a whole different ball game than other braces I've had in my hands. Once I put it in my car - it tamed my frame. You will love it.

The tC creeks and rattles when you drive hard or get on uneven surface. This pretty much takes care of that. At work we have a entry way that rolls up and back down I used to drive slow over it cause I could hear the sunroof knock around a little and it was very easy.

Today I drove over it no noise - so I was like hmmm

Guess what I did? Thats right. I went ahead and just slammed through it till it made the rattle. Gotta test it right ;)

Just eliminating those rattles was worth my time on this :clap:

coppermine18

06-08-2006, 08:01 AM

Ok since I have a few more minutes I just wanted to drop a few photos and notes here about my experience with the install of my parts:

This is what I picked up and installed from Ingalls:

Rear Shock Brace
Steel Braided Clutch Line
Steel Braided Brake Lines

Ok. First my car - and later you will see I took of my cf hood for awhile

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/1.jpg

Picture 2 - Steel braided brake line goodness - copper washers - new banjo bolt great quality. Brakes are important to me in a big way.

Installation was a breeze I - just remember to wipe off the surfaces around the bolts on the ends of the lines you do not want to get particles from the old lines into the brakes... Its simple to use caution and take the extra minute and save yourself from locking up a caliper someday.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/2.jpg

Picture 3 - perfect fittament went in with ease.

Remember to reference you OEM brake lines position and mimick it with the new lines. ( I didn't pay attention and replaced a caliper back with the line twisted not paying attention once when I did my first brake job ever - twisting or rubbing lines can = BAD. Attatch the end opposite of the banjo (round end) first but do not tighten it until you attatch the caliper end that way it is easy to manipulate the cable into the proper position without twists. I also noticed the clip you have to remove on the side opposite the caliper removing the OEM is a little annoying to take out. I used pliers and pulled a lil on the sides until it was out enough I could get a good grip on it.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/3.jpg

The rears were a BREEZE after the fronts.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/4.jpg

The car sittin there (without my CF hood :(... ) I made sure that I had the Fluid nearby ready to fill. When bleeding the brakes or the clutch line. You do not want to let it get too low it will syphon air unless you feel like bleeding it all over again. When you start pumping the brakes you will notice how much more pressure your brakes have when the pedal tightens up fast!

(I had to make a fairly quick stop today behind a girl in a civic that couldn't get out of her own way and when I layed into the pedal I don't think my foot went down much at all - that pedal was tight and the brakes were wayyy ahead of me. The response was awesome.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/5.jpg

This is just some painted interior stuff ;) ... intermission dun dun dunnn

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/6.jpg

The SHOCK BRACE - its just so ... BIG and STRONG. Well - a little suffice for a big benefit I say. As you saw you can cut the cubby's to fit. Don't cry.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/7.jpg

When you lay down the brace you will notice - as stated in the DIY you need to drill out some holes a little larger to fit the bolts provided.

That metal is TOUGH to get through - trust me I had to use a battery powered drill where I was (I recommend a corded one).

To judge the size it was easiest for me to lay the bolt up to a bit and find one slightly larger in diameter. I Quickly punched the top hole bigger quick then jumped under the car and ended up using a slightly smaller bit it to even the metal in the hole my corless was catching up on an inner layer that protrudes a bit. After I got the hole smooth I then used the proper bit to drill the hole out to the proper size I kept a bolt close to check it with.

USE EYE protection and long sleeves as well or the little metal bits might burn a bit when they hit your arm *not that I would know abou that COUGH*

Otherwise the install is VERY fast and simple.

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/8.jpg

Lastly the installed brace - I hadn't finished the brake lines yet so I didn't get to drive it for a little bit after I got it in. I hate waiting!!! Who doesnt?

http://www.coppermine18.com/tc/photos/ingalls/9.jpg

Overall - I've picked up and put in the cables - brace and damper and I LOVE how much my car feels more in my hands. I own it... I want it to listen to me.

Anyways if anyone has any Q's lemme know - it was a fun experience.

ScionBandit

06-08-2006, 02:41 PM

is this one worth it compared to the regular rear bars?

this brace makes all other rear strut bars look worthless, honestly
i had Greddy rear strut bar and MMW rear strut bar on the car, with this brace on
it feels like the strut bars were never really there, honestly

i was skeptical at first about this, ask Rob.
but im set now, would rec. this to anyone who is road racing,auto-x, or just wants
a stiffer rear end

great,great product

Stu_Gotti

06-08-2006, 02:45 PM

Nice.

BOXMAN

06-08-2006, 04:21 PM

Well I guess I have waited long enough to post my thoughts on this rear bar from Ingalls. I have had this bar in my car since August. The bar I have in my Tc now is the second revision of this bar. You all have recieved the third or forth revision of this bar. I will tell you all that when I went through the process of R&D with Ingalls when they would give me my car back without the rear bar in... my car was so sloppy and the rattles would always come back. I would just pray for Rob or Steve to call me back into Ingalls and get that rear bar back in. I will tell you that nothing at Ingalls is rushed or done poorly. Ingalls spends the time and money to make a part right and make a part work just like described or BETTER it is that simple! If you care about your scion and parts that work companys like Ingalls are few and far between as we all know from experiences with parts being rushed to market in the very early stages just because they are trying to cash in. I belive some very respectful people of the scion life boards have posted honest reviews so I dont feel the need to tell you all the facts again. All I will say is remember some of these reviews you see for this bar are from PAYING customers not sponsered members, people who spend their hard earned cash for great parts and want to let you know. SO please read the reviews if you are thinking about passing on this part or any other part from Ingalls due to not being sure if it will do whats advertized. Pm me if you have any questions

robstamina

06-08-2006, 04:32 PM

BOXMAN

06-08-2006, 05:30 PM

I can come tommorow and are you offering me a part time job?

jrv2000

06-08-2006, 06:20 PM

whats all this Im hearing about an upper strut bar?

ScionBandit

06-08-2006, 06:30 PM

whats all this Im hearing about an upper strut bar?

nothing :lalala:

hunterUnknown

06-08-2006, 06:55 PM

my rear brace + stiffy will be in today, along with a brand new 5spd tc! :D i cant wait to mod everything again. i feel like ive been driving a camry compared to before. and ive not gone to 3 autox's.. :[ i had a good record of 11 in a row!

though i must say, the SS brake lines i installed from goodridge made no difference in my brakes. the r4-s pads from porterfield definitely did. the whole SS line thing from anyone is now a last priority to me.

oh also about the creaks, i had those for like 10k miles.. .then one day they ALL just kinda.. disappeared. havent had one since. weird right? im at 38k miles now, no sounds at all.

wow a more-than-2-point brace for the front would be great ;] i wonder who's producing one?

great writeup(s) by the way! ill be using them soon! :]

DuMa

06-08-2006, 07:27 PM

u relocated the battery? is there a DIY guide for that?

nice rear tower brace.

jrv2000

06-08-2006, 07:28 PM

whats all this Im hearing about an upper strut bar?

nothing :lalala:

:tap: You cant just mention something like that on a public forum and then try and keep it private. Spill the beans!!!!!! :P

ScionBandit

06-08-2006, 07:32 PM

jrv2000

06-08-2006, 09:06 PM

ScionBandit

06-08-2006, 09:07 PM

i kno, i kno

robstamina

06-08-2006, 11:21 PM

whats all this Im hearing about an upper strut bar?

nothing :lalala:

:tap: You cant just mention something like that on a public forum and then try and keep it private. Spill the beans!!!!!! :P

i know as much as you do
waiting for Rob to give me the low down on this

Thats cool, I was just playin with you.

GUYS PLEASE STOP PM'ng me about the front upper three point bar that we are developing...it is a good year out from now!!!I will keep you updated.. I just don't want this to get any more off topic than it is...

This is what is going on with it...different colors.. it's a 3 point front upper that goes back to the firewall.. and it has a built in stiffy bracket.. so the stiffy attaches to the bar...we have a couple different protoypes we are testing now.....

sorry guys but that is all you get for the next couple of months about this.. please post a seperate thread or something to discuss this...AND STOP PMING about this...

I got like 30 pm's in the last day about it...

robstamina

06-08-2006, 11:26 PM

I can come tommorow and are you offering me a part time job?

I was going to hit you up about the hot tub job...lol

We need your help prototyping it though.. when you got a free sec call me..

or I will see you at the 11th show at bandimere...

you got my cell right?

ScionBandit

06-09-2006, 12:41 AM

no offense Rob, but that was your own fault

shouldn't have said anything

anyways

back on topic

BOXMAN

06-09-2006, 12:44 AM

It was me not Rob its my fault. But remember we develop and re develop till its right so just hold on

robstamina

06-09-2006, 01:15 AM

no offense Rob, but that was your own fault

shouldn't have said anything

anyways

back on topic

yeah I know lol...

FLINT

06-09-2006, 06:15 AM

We have a review going in S3 and Sport Compact for this part...

FLINT where are you??

Calling Flint
i havent been on here posting in a while, but i'm on it.................. like white on rice on sport compact car wannabees :rofl:

oh, and :pray: thanks for the up coming day off from work for this review, :relief: i need it :yawn:

robstamina

06-09-2006, 04:34 PM

BOXMAN

06-09-2006, 09:59 PM

Hey Rob i wont be at the races untill sunday! Sorry! I had an interior shop mess my headliner up I am so mad. Bump for a great review of a great product

jwaggz82

06-10-2006, 05:45 AM

if it doesnt rain im going to install mine tomorrow. Im interested to see the result. Either this week or next week I will reply with after install comments.

FLINT

06-10-2006, 03:10 PM

jwaggz82

06-10-2006, 03:32 PM

i honestly think it was talked about ... but .. i cant find it. Just to confirm before i head outside ... you dont need to jack the car up during install do you?

ih8civx

06-10-2006, 05:11 PM

looks hot, i might have to look into this.

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 04:14 AM

well - i installed the bar. I have one feeling .... i feakn love it. I had a problem w/ my roof rattl'n .. thats 95% gone .... the car takes turns better ... and i have A LOT less body roll.

What I didnt realize is that you shouldnt torque the two bolts they give you to 59lbs. I torqued the one to 59 and it made the frame support indent slightly. Things should be fine though because there is no way to fix something like that and when i saw it indent I backed it out 1/2 turn.

IMPORTANT:

DO NOT START THIS IF YOU DONT HAVE A 7/16 METAL DRILL BIT!!

6/16 will not work people! If I had a good drill and had the proper drill bit from the start it would have saved me a few hours. The install is pure basic. You take 4 nuts off ... you drill 2 holes .. u put the support on .. you put your bolts on. That easy. The only part that consumes time is the drilling of the driver side hole because its threaded and extra durable. The side that caved in on me was the passenger side because its nowhere near as durable as the driver side.

But I think everybody should get this. The tC needs to come with this! If you are leaning toward getting this but dont know if its worth it ....get it and PM me with a thank you after the install. hehe. Im not getting paid jack squat for this post but I had doubts in getting the bar.

I really wonder what a really expensive sports car feels like when taking turns because i really can cut the wheel harder now and still have control. Feels like the car is taking the turn but handling it instead of struggling with it.

Feel free to comment on what i wrote. pze.

coppermine18

06-11-2006, 05:10 AM

WOW - guess what - I went out autox'n and I haven't got my new race wheels and tires yet.

I have been kickin' ___ and takin names for a bit on my Pirelly (that have like a 400 tread wear I think :( - really bad) I have my my 18's though using TRD Shocks/Springs. and Sway bar at full stiffness.

I went out after installing the brace and this is how much it worked -

I got squirly on the course and something didn't feel right ... I was like - hey what the heck. I had a couple of out insane awesome nationalists check it out and drive it and sure enough that brace stiffened up the car so much all that weight that normally gets absorbed by the frame was emphasizing the spring rate on the TRD srpings/shocks actually making them 'too much' in the rear.

The reason they could tell this is the weight was REALLY being applied to the tires and NOT being absorbed by the frame of the car and putting all of that on my not so adequate tires overbeared them and mid turn the rear would get light horribly.

I had to LOOSEN the rear sway to make sure my tires didn't get overworked and they said you NEED to get Azenis or Race tires on this bad boy.

When I get my race wheels tires and camber kit on here I'll stiffen the rear sway back up and go to town!

The strat brace worked INCREDIBLE - thanks for eatin my daily drivers alive guys ;) haha - I couldn't believe how well it did it's job.

It got MANY compliments today!

coppermine18

06-11-2006, 05:14 AM

i honestly think it was talked about ... but .. i cant find it. Just to confirm before i head outside ... you dont need to jack the car up during install do you?

Depends on your drill and bit total length I did not need to - just try laying down there with the drill and check.

Probably benefits me I'm not such a big guy and just slide right under - heh

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 05:15 AM

WOW - guess what - I went out autox'n and I haven't got my new race wheels and tires yet.

I have been kickin' butt and takin names for a bit on my Pirelly (that have like a 400 tread wear I think :( - really bad) I have my my 18's though using TRD Shocks/Springs. and Sway bar at full stiffness.

I went out after installing the brace and this is how much it worked -

I got squirly on the course and something didn't feel right ... I was like - hey what the heck. I had a couple of out insane awesome nationalists check it out and drive it and sure enough that brace stiffened up the car so much all that weight that normally gets absorbed by the frame was emphasizing the spring rate on the TRD srpings/shocks actually making them 'too much' in the rear.

The reason they could tell this is the weight was REALLY being applied to the tires and NOT being absorbed by the frame of the car and putting all of that on my not so adequate tires overbeared them and mid turn the rear would get light horribly.

I had to LOOSEN the rear sway to make sure my tires didn't get overworked and they said you NEED to get Azenis or Race tires on this bad boy.

When I get my race wheels tires and camber kit on here I'll stiffen the rear sway back up and go to town!

The strat brace worked INCREDIBLE - thanks for eatin my daily drivers alive guys ;) haha - I couldn't believe how well it did it's job.

It got MANY compliments today!

did you indent the bar under your car when you tightened the bolts for the bar? I was suprised to see it bend like it did. I used the spacer under the car so that worked out great (it would have caved worse w/o the spacer).

coppermine18

06-11-2006, 05:21 AM

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 05:24 AM

patrick

06-11-2006, 05:24 AM

6/16? that would be a 3/8 bit.

coppermine18

06-11-2006, 05:27 AM

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 05:37 AM

6/16? that would be a 3/8 bit.

7/16!!!

6/16 might be a good first bit to use but you need 7/16's for the bolt to go through.

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 05:38 AM

it wasnt the bar that bent ...it was the frame rail where i put the bolt though. I torqued it to 59lbs and it made the bolt sink into the rail a tad. Its not like a donut but I would say it sank 1/5inch.

Yeah I know - thats what I mean - :) I didn't mean the brace. I meant the car. Although I did put my spacer on top and and took - sorry not the torque wrench *long day* I used the impact wrench and set it low just enough to set it well.

*spaces out - I need a beer*

ok cool - i feel a bit better now - i was a tad scared that i made it bend like that because I wouldnt think it would have. What also was odd was that I didnt have that bolt that was talked about (meaning I didnt ahve to remove the bolt that it says to remove because I just didnt have one).

BOXMAN

06-11-2006, 05:45 AM

Good to hear one of the best reviews on this bar so far. WE are very happy to hear how well the bar worked for the AUTO-X guy (s) thanks again

speddlysmitt

06-11-2006, 05:56 AM

How would this work for everyday use. Is it worth it?

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 06:07 AM

How would this work for everyday use. Is it worth it?

awesome. - get it. you will be happy. nothing more to say.

BOXMAN

06-11-2006, 03:50 PM

Just what jwaggz82 said get it! I am mad when ever mine has to come out for ingalls to do work on my car and other parts we are working on. I can tell the second the bar is gone and from the time its gone till i get it back I am missing it bad! Jwaggz pm Rob he will get you the torque specs

jwaggz82

06-11-2006, 04:56 PM

Whats Robs SL name? Im leaving till tomorrow but I will check the post when i get home.

coppermine18

06-12-2006, 12:45 AM

coppermine18

06-12-2006, 12:47 AM

WOW - so I had to put me rear sway on the TRD to 'STREET' because my frame was so stiff!!!

I moved from 7th on saturday to 2nd in STS/NS4 against the course designer only .3 ahead of me in a Miata properly setup and had Proxes RA1 tires -

I BLEW everyone away with 9th best PAX and 15th RAW.

When the new 17" wheels get here with the tires and I set the camber ITS ON.

Our FASTEST of nationals drivers got a 43.8 I think? and I was at 47.2 but layed down a 46.5 on my 'fun run' that didn't count damnit (and I had a passenger!). But this is against a Miata that's got a National Title on race tires.

I'm some coilovers - and race tires maybe some bushings and new brake pads away from keepin' with Mitch in that Nationals kinda time. Who'd like to see a tC do that?

I did get to drive his rivals car this weekend and WOW race tires in an MR2 with coilovers and the whole SHEEE bang was BANGIN'.

Anyways that rear bar REALLY did the trick I have some solid 1st places commin up now.

asthmatic

06-12-2006, 02:05 AM

so you lowered your sway cause you were over steering?

coppermine18

06-12-2006, 02:12 AM

so you lowered your sway cause you were over steering?

The rear would get light mid corner because the frame didn't absorb any of the corner like it used to and the combo of that and the sway of full stiffness my springrate was insane. I needed it to compress the shock a bit more so I wouldn't get so much rebound.

It would slide out and I wouldn't exactly call that oversteer? The rear acted like it had this crazy high spring rate and tried to just jump after it compressed mid corder - pop goes the weasel. haha.

After I did loosen my sway my rear end came up PERFECT today without rebounding too fast and I had NO control issues just grip with my crap tires. The weight though was applied to the tires better than they have been before and I got about the best grip I've ever had. I can't WAIT until I have the right tires. Its going to be Christmas for my car.

I still drove it well though like I try to.

jwaggz82

06-12-2006, 11:51 PM

Here is some info I picked up while doing my install - hope it helps. I took a few other pics that other people didnt have so it might help.

http://www.DetailedHosting.com/users/ingalls/rear_strut/

Kaeon

06-13-2006, 01:21 AM

FLINT

06-13-2006, 04:59 AM

:clap:

coppermine18

06-13-2006, 04:49 PM

speddlysmitt

06-13-2006, 05:15 PM

coppermine18

06-13-2006, 06:44 PM

Besides the TRD Sway, my suspension is stock, How much benefit would I get from the bar, and is it a good idea to have it when I will have to drive in the snow? Coppermine's bouncing story is kinda of scaring me from it.

Don't let it scare you -

It simply meant that I needed to re-adjust my sway bar because I didn't need it so stiff. They torqing of the frame was gone and I needed to be able to let the car roll more and compress the shock so it wouldn't rebound so fast. That wasn't a problem! It was a good thing! I just don't have adjustable suspension.

It really helps apply the weight to the tire and increase its effectiveness. In the snow I would not see it create any problem it really helps hold the grip on the tire and not suck away the pressure that should be applied by the frame.

*edit* in the snow the best traction is common sense - in any vehicle. Don't expect to be a rally car. :P

The_Instigator

06-13-2006, 07:41 PM

jwaggz82

06-13-2006, 10:42 PM

Here is some info I picked up while doing my install - hope it helps. I took a few other pics that other people didnt have so it might help.

http://www.DetailedHosting.com/users/ingalls/rear_strut/

Did you coat the floor under the spare? I had that emptied out for awhile and it gets kinda scuffed I wanted to coat or paint it with something.

I think I'm going to scrape the concrete matting out as well.

yup - i used RAAMatt. I put a few layers down and a few types of material. RAAMatt offers a foil type of material thats sticky then I sprayed glue and put the second type of foam you see in the picture ontop.

jwaggz82

06-13-2006, 10:45 PM

FYI, I just got my brace in the mail and the spacers were not included. I contacted Rob and was told they are using shorter bolts now so the spacers are not required. Just a heads up for those that will be recieving the parts soon and might be concerning about not seeing them. Havent installed mine yet but will be soon.

I actually like the spacer. If i were you I would get a few different size washers so you can tighten up the nuts and have it supported better. If they arent including them I would think there is no need but it wouldnt be a bad idea.

robstamina

06-13-2006, 11:39 PM

asthmatic

06-15-2006, 05:50 AM

A 13/32" drill bit gives you a snug fit for the drivers side frame rail, instead of the recommended 7/16". I also used a 3/8" bit to start off, but i think it wasnt necessary. The drilling was a breeze with those 2 drill bits and a good drill, mine did ~1400rpm

ScionBandit

06-15-2006, 01:02 PM

a good drill does work

robstamina

06-15-2006, 07:42 PM

JUST MAKE sure you don't make the hole to big...

too big of a hole is not good in any situation..hehe

ScionBandit

06-15-2006, 08:17 PM

JUST MAKE sure you don't make the hole to big...

too big of a hole is not good in any situation..hehe

no,no its not
made mine big enough to pound it in softly with a rubber mallet

jwaggz82

06-15-2006, 11:33 PM

JUST MAKE sure you don't make the hole to big...

too big of a hole is not good in any situation..hehe

no,no its not
made mine big enough to pound it in softly with a rubber mallet

i didnt wanna hit it because i was afraid I would mess up the thread on the bolt ....that was pretty much my only fear because I didnt have a spare.

ScionBandit

06-16-2006, 01:48 PM

i got tired of drilling, so i put it in, and tapped it
it didn't have much resistance, so i just put it through

JasontC

06-19-2006, 01:14 PM

Did anyone that got the kit without spacers install theirs yet? Cause the bolts that came with mine were too short. Anyone else have this problem?

ScionBandit

06-19-2006, 01:21 PM

Did anyone that got the kit without spacers install theirs yet? Cause the bolts that came with mine were too short. Anyone else have this problem?

good job, rob!

robstamina

06-19-2006, 06:18 PM

Did anyone that got the kit without spacers install theirs yet? Cause the bolts that came with mine were too short. Anyone else have this problem?

wait huh what??

originally the kits included a long 110mm bolt that required that 15mm thick spacer to make sure there wasn't a threading issue..

now the kits include a 90mm bolt and just a regular washer..

sounds like you tightened up the strut bolts b4 you installed the 90mm...it causes the bar to flex upwards when you do that making installation impossible..basically put everything on loose and THEN tighten it down...

or contact me directly..

robs@ingallseng.com

robstamina

06-19-2006, 11:30 PM

Did anyone that got the kit without spacers install theirs yet? Cause the bolts that came with mine were too short. Anyone else have this problem?

good job, rob!

you my friend

are an instagator...lol

still liking the rear shock tower?

I hopefully will have a front upper to go with that in a couple months..

The_Instigator

06-20-2006, 12:17 AM

I just spoke with Rob at Ingalls about the short bolt issue since I am seeing the same thing on my car. He is under the impression that the car they tested the shorter bolts on had the brace with longer bolts previously installed to start with and some deflection in the metal may have given them incorrect data. They are going to look into it and get it take in care of so look for a response tomorrow. Based on what Im seeing, an extra 1/4 to 1/2" of bolt length may be all that is necessary to get everything to fit properly.

jwaggz82

06-20-2006, 12:26 AM

interesting - im glad I got the spacers. I rather have the setup like that. Im suprised they changed things up. Since they are getting rid of the spacer they should include a heavy washer so stability remains. but thats just my 2cents.

Someone is going to reply and say that it doesnt matter if there is one ...and it prob doesnt ...but it wouldnt be a bad idea. I know it comes with one washer but having a larger washer to put under the other one would be a good idea.

The_Instigator

06-20-2006, 12:53 AM

The kit still includes washers, but with the washers installed there is only about 1 or 2 visible threads which cannot be started. If the washers are not used the nut can be started but cannot be fully threaded. I can understand the desire for Ingalls to eliminate the spacer as it will help to reduce manufacturing costs.

The_Instigator

06-20-2006, 06:52 PM

Ive been back and forth with Rob about the short bolt length and this is what has come out of it:

They will fit the car with the washers installed, but the metal does have to be compressed before the washers can go on. Basically, start by tightening the bolts with no washers installed until you get some thread depth by compressing the metal, then undo them, install the washers and finally torque everything down. Ingalls feels that the bar is more functional with some level of compression on the metal of the body and since the bolts only need about 5mm of space, there is only a little bit of compression required.

robstamina

06-20-2006, 08:43 PM

jrv2000

06-21-2006, 12:08 AM

waiting for your review instigator

The_Instigator

06-21-2006, 12:42 AM

Only drove around a little last night but I noticed sharper turn in and less creaking over bumps. No inidication of increased oversteer with the stiffer swaybar like coppermine saw, but then again I havent been on track yet. If I do go to the track next , it will be on July 8th or 9th so I cant really give a full review until then. Of course by then I will have my new flywheel and clutch installed so I will really be pushing hard to see the changes.

coppermine18

06-21-2006, 08:26 AM

Somnambulated

06-21-2006, 10:23 AM

I installed mine a while back. It's fully hidden, I put the spare and cut the stock foam to fit. Turning improved a little, and it stiffened up the ride. I'm happy with it.

One thing though, I remember the instructions saying something about the bolts for the rear strut towers being 17mm . Those aren't 17mm, they're 14mm, if I remember correctly. Just FYI.

I should re-tighten all the bolts, or at least check them. It's been at least a week.

Somnambulated

06-21-2006, 10:32 AM

My previous too long to quote over and over blabbing about awesome rear brace up above! ^^^

did you indent the bar under your car when you tightened the bolts for the bar? I was suprised to see it bend like it did. I used the spacer under the car so that worked out great (it would have caved worse w/o the spacer).

No - I used a torque wrench and set it so that it wouldn't try to kill my car :D

Did you torque it by hand?

Yeah - that car stuff can be bendy though thats why this kinda product rocks when you get one that does the job... Now I need some tires to handle it :P

And IMO, like an idiot I didn't realize those bolts are torqued down. Of course they are--they're strut tower bolts. I broke a cheap socket wench--Pep Boy's special--removing two of the bolts.

Which is hillarious--I now know I can exert at least 95ft LBS of torque. :eyebrow:

I stopped, and got some non-cheap tools, then finished the install. I don't have the back two bars tightened as far as they can go, I've been planning to go back out and bend some metal when I get a free day again.

Which reminds me, I really need to remove the torque wrench from my trunk. I probably shouldn't have a baseball bat-sized metal bar with a handgrip in my trunk for too long. :lalala:

robstamina

06-27-2006, 05:54 PM

bump

coppermine18

07-01-2006, 12:15 AM

robstamina

07-05-2006, 06:48 PM

bump

IndigoTC

07-05-2006, 10:22 PM

who all sells these?

robstamina

07-05-2006, 10:28 PM

who all sells these?

Corsport
New edge Performance
Ultra Rev
Dezod

just to name a couple

Do a search under Ingalls and all their sales threads will come up for it..

mention that you talked to Rob and they will show you some love.....

heyitznosaj

07-14-2006, 07:16 AM

Man drilling through this thing is a b*tch. I just broke a drillbit trying to drill out the hole so I'm not going to have time to finish this thing until next week.

heyitznosaj

07-14-2006, 07:19 AM

Also, did anyone else have trouble drilling because their exhaust was in the way? I have the HKS hi-power so im not sure if the drill bit will clear the muffler. This thing is a pain in the ___ to install.

Somnambulated

07-14-2006, 07:43 AM

Definately get some drill bits made for metal before you attempt it. I found that using a Sizer bit--not sure what they're called, look like a stepped pyramid--was helpful in cutting the hole underneath.

You don't have to drill the passenger side, it's the Driver's side that has to be drilled out. It was close to get to it with the stock muffler setup, but you should be able to get a wrench in just fine.

Worst case, you can use a combo spanner or crescent wrench to hold it from the bottom, and use a socket wrench on top.

heyitznosaj

07-15-2006, 05:18 AM

^^ thanks a bunch bro. I almost lost my eye when that dam bit broke if it weren't for my dad's 10 dollar sunglasses. Round two next week! :P

robstamina

07-25-2006, 06:37 PM

bump for a greeat review and product..

MountScion1

07-29-2006, 01:31 AM

Just had mine delivered today! Cant wait to put it in tomorrow. Good thing this thread exist too, the directions my strut came with are for the installation of "adjustable rear panhard bar kit for 2002-2006 Mustang" ...doh! someone put in the wrong directions, no biggy.

I just want to know with these new shorter bolts, do the washer and nut side still face downwards.....and what is this huge zip tie it came with for?

BOXMAN

07-29-2006, 02:10 AM

zip tie is for attaching you jack to the bar.

MountScion1

07-30-2006, 07:49 PM

Just wanted to chime in and say I too am pleased with my purchase. I can definitely feel it around tight turns and I'm happy to say I hear a lot fewer noises coming from the back.

Only word of advice for someone putting this on- don't be like me and install it on the hottest day of the month (opps). Oh and make sure you have a good metal drill bit- I was using an older one that sucked and was at it for 20 minutes, went out and picked up another one and bang! 10 seconds later was done drilling

BOXMAN

07-30-2006, 11:56 PM

Good to hear you are happy. Keep orders coming guys tons of dealers have these ready to ship. TTT

CorSport

07-31-2006, 02:41 PM

Yup,

<-- always in stock over here ---

Tai
CorSport

hunterUnknown

07-31-2006, 05:29 PM

anyone else have issues with the passenger side arm's bolt not being long enough to fit WITH the washer?

MountScion1

07-31-2006, 08:53 PM

I didn't have any problems with the shorter bolts. I just tightened the rear two bolts real tight once- without the washers, then unscrewed them one at a time and added the washer the second time around.

Oh and though I still love the strut, and would certainly recommend it, it has made the evil noises in my roof worse. No worries though I'm going to bring it into the dealership Friday and let them have a go at it.
Again great product, great company!

FMtC_krstnmj

08-16-2006, 06:22 AM

hey kaeon,

i couldn't drill the drvier's side hole with a craftsman electric drill. but it doesn't even scratch it... do i need to use a power drill or do i have to have a special 7/16 thread maker drill bit? please me help me... i really recommend this product even if i only have three points connected right now... you could really feel the difference... ingalls/rob you guyz are the best... kaeon nice post by the way...

Kaeon

08-16-2006, 02:34 PM

No start the drill up first then just lightly place it into the hole and go in and out SLOWLY... If you do it to fast and try to shove it in, it will just jam up....

..Ok that really sounded perverted

BOXMAN

08-16-2006, 02:58 PM

Give Ingalls a call a 18006419795. Anyone who answers there will be able to help you out with any questions you might have

MountScion1

08-16-2006, 10:54 PM

I had the same problem, I was at it for 45 mins with no success, then I went down to the hardware store got a 7/16 drill bit -I think made by irwin? (cost $10 for that one bit)anyhow I came back and it was like a hot knife through butter, it made all the difference and I was done drilling in under a minute.

asthmatic

08-16-2006, 11:08 PM

someone suggested a different size in this thread that works brillantly.

jwaggz82

08-17-2006, 12:22 AM

dont worry - i had 3 drills. ...2 old ones (which i almost broke because they got so hot) and my new cordless. I used the two old ones till i couldnt hold them anymore and then my new one. It took me atleast an hour to cut through it. I also had to get a metal bit which cost me $14 ....it sucks but it worked. DO NOT TRY THIS WITHOUT A METAL BIT ...simple as that. Dont do it. It will not work. Get the right metal bit and two drills - use your old one and then the new one so you dont have to put excess stress on just one. I honestly was using the wrong bit to start because I thought I could swing it.... i was wrong.

BOXMAN

08-17-2006, 03:49 AM

Thats one thing that we have seen a lot of. Please for your safety use a NEW METAL drill bit. DONT use a wood/metal combo bit. The metal only drill tip is made to drill the hole that needs to be drilled. New bit and a charged drill and the install will be easy.

heyitznosaj

08-18-2006, 03:48 AM

I finally got it in today. I had one of those cone pyramid shaped bits and it started cutting pretty wheel then it just stops cut and just spins inside of the hole. I was at it for like 2 hours and it didnt move a millimeter. I just gave up and stuck the bolt in from inside the car and hit it a couple times with a hammer and jammed that sh*t in and torqued down the bolt from under the car nice and tight. I was too tired to test it out after that.

BOXMAN

08-18-2006, 03:16 PM

I am sorry it was so difficult on your Tc. I know some of the models have been harder than others to drill. My tc didnt even need to be drilled for some reason. It shows there will be differences between each car even in the same model line.

jwaggz82

08-18-2006, 11:55 PM

since it already has a hole and is threaded - I wonder why they didnt just use a threaded bolt so no drilling is needed.

FMtC_krstnmj

08-19-2006, 04:54 AM

what i did was i gived up on it coz i've been spendin alot for those f**kin drill bits :flame: ... don't get me wrong, i love the strut bar, their the best :love: ... i've tried the other bar on the market and the ingalls one is better.... what i did was i bought a different bolt a smaller one. it really doesn't go to the thread but i bought a different nut inorder to lock it up and it works perfect for me 8) ... just an option for you guyz that are having troubles on drillin :doh: ....

ingalls! you guys are the best :bow: ....

jwaggz82

08-19-2006, 03:23 PM

oh yea - its a great product - dont get me wrong either - I have a how-to on since I thought it was so good.

Joe_Dezod

08-21-2006, 08:27 AM

jwaggz82

08-22-2006, 12:06 AM

Stable is deff the correct word. The easiest way to explain to someone is .... when you go into a turn and the car leans .... w/ this bar .... the car leans a tad but just takes the turn flatter (less lean) .... sometimes when I take turns and fly past people because im still in control when turning ...they look to see who the hell is able to pass them so smooth.

BOXMAN

08-22-2006, 10:41 PM

I haven't been able to feel the difference at the track YET, but...

This bar makes the car just feel so much more stable on the highway. I'm dropped on H&R coilovers with a progress rear sway set to the stiffest setting. It was pretty unstable at high speeds before. I was going to make some adjustments but after adding the bar the car feels much more planted now. Every Ingalls product I've installed I've loved, simple as that.

Great point. The Tc is a hatch back with a glass roof. You have lost chasis (sp) rigidity that would be there if the roof was solid and we had a trunk not a hatch. This bar helps bring some of the strength back to the TC's rear end.

heyitznosaj

08-23-2006, 07:37 AM

I must say, if with that pain in the ___ install going through two drillbits and one drill it was worth it. Even with stock suspension the car feels much more solid and stable. I was suprised at how much body roll was reduced. Theres still plenty left but the amount it eliminated is alot in my book for a $160 piece of steel.

Somnambulated

09-15-2006, 03:51 AM

Just tightened up my brace again to see if I can get some more performance out of it. It was great before, but I never got the chance to tighten it all the way.

One thing is bugging me though. One of the bolts slightly bent the part of the frame closest to the exhaust. The other side seems to be tightened all the way, but did not bend the frame. I'm hoping I don't have one side much tighter than the other.

Also, regaurding the drill bits, it is much easier to use a 'sizer' or pyramid drill bit, made for cutting metal. Widen the hole first underneath the car, then switch to a metal drill bit for the other side of the bar.

Of course, that could be why that part of my frame 'indented.'

IndigoTC

09-15-2006, 04:18 AM

this took me 10 mins to do. one of the easiest installs ever! didnt have any problems drilling at all.

hunterUnknown

09-15-2006, 04:43 AM

no problems for me either. very quick install. but the thing makes bending noises in the sheet metal on the passenger side.

Somnambulated

09-15-2006, 04:46 AM

It might depend on what model of drill you're using, too :D

jwaggz82

09-15-2006, 11:55 PM

One thing is bugging me though. One of the bolts slightly bent the part of the frame closest to the exhaust. The other side seems to be tightened all the way, but did not bend the frame. I'm hoping I don't have one side much tighter than the other.

dont worry. read what i wrote because the same thing happend to me - its ok - just dont tighten it anymore:

http://www.detailedhosting.com/users/ingalls/rear_strut/

Somnambulated

09-16-2006, 11:16 AM

Ok, cool.

I've been driving on it for a couple of days, and it--the full suspension--still feels great.

Better than when I installed the Ingalls brace without tightening!

I may have to upgrade my front brace soon, though... :D

jwaggz82

09-16-2006, 08:17 PM

BOXMAN

09-18-2006, 03:31 PM

Yes the more points a brace/bar ties together the better the results! Now we need to get more owners to step up to the plate and just buy this bar. Several Ingalls dealers are doing a rear bar and stiffy etd combo for around 300.00 shipped

jwaggz82

09-18-2006, 11:51 PM

i liked the bar so much i did a writeup on it - its worth every penny cause the car turns flatter. i wouldnt lie.

BOXMAN

09-29-2006, 03:26 PM

Bump. for the weekend project guys hooking up their Tc with this killer bar.

BOXMAN

10-06-2006, 02:51 PM

any new questions?

BOXMAN

10-10-2006, 03:59 PM

8000+ views and there is only a few comments? Where are all the reviews on this bar at?

MountScion1

10-10-2006, 05:10 PM

jwaggz82

10-10-2006, 05:27 PM

After a few weeks you forget you even put the bar in, you get so used to it. I'm sure if I took it out, I would definitely miss it. but yeah, if you've got the right drill bit you can install this thing in under an hour.....definitely a good buy.....

I was thinking the same exact thing. I have no clue how my car could not be the way it is now (since i have had it on for so many months now) --- but when i put it on.... I was like "WWWWOOOOOOOHOOO" hehe

BOXMAN

10-18-2006, 04:49 PM

I have seen some very good prices on this piece check around winter time is the best time to buy suspension parts. All the deals are to be had at this time of the year. BUMP

BOXMAN

10-24-2006, 03:32 PM

? TTT

BOXMAN

11-08-2006, 11:44 PM

TTT Look for the review on the other Scion Tc site as well. This bar is picking up a loyal group of followers.... dont be left behind!

Joe_Dezod

11-09-2006, 01:07 AM

Bumpage. I SWEAR by this mod and would never drive a tC without it. I took out my custom sound system to install it and I'd never switch it back. This bar keeps the car rock solid. My lateral G's didn't show much improvement on my apexi unit, but turn it was MUCH better, and when I transition from left to right (or vice versa) the car no longer wants to kick the back end out with the Progress bar set to max.

As stated, TTT for a kick arse product.

BOXMAN

11-09-2006, 05:24 PM

Nice to hear from you Joe. Did you make it to Sema or did you get stuck back home?

Joe_Dezod

11-10-2006, 12:31 AM

Was stuck back at home. Other things kept me from going, not the car though.

Working on making a killing in the spring. After all our new parts and the exposure we get, I think it'll be a good year.

FLINT

11-10-2006, 12:35 PM

atodak

11-24-2006, 01:35 PM

bump

BOXMAN

11-28-2006, 06:54 PM

bump

BOXMAN

12-04-2006, 04:22 PM

TTT! Any questions.

atodak

12-05-2006, 03:17 AM

where 2 buy one again?

BOXMAN

12-05-2006, 03:35 PM

www.corsportusa.com

BOXMAN

12-11-2006, 05:31 PM

TTT any questions or need help finding the best deals?

BOXMAN

12-28-2006, 04:58 PM

TTT!

MrChoyBoi

12-29-2006, 11:32 PM

I know this might sound silly but has anyone tried using their rear strut bar with the ingalls brace? Im really interested in getting this brace but I just cant see my rear strut bar going to waste.

BOXMAN

01-02-2007, 03:24 PM

Sell your rear bar, it wont be needed once you get the Ingalls rear bar. Trust me Ingalls rear bar is the best on the market for rear bars period hands down.

MrChoyBoi

01-02-2007, 10:19 PM

Cool, thanks for the advice. Now I gotta find a drill and bit. :P

captainlaziness

01-03-2007, 11:38 PM

I too will swear by this bar. I have yet to do any serious driving with it but I can deffinately feel a difference, more so than when I installed my TRD sway. Even if it didn't help out with handling (which it does), the brace has eliminated 90% of my hatch rattle.
I love it.

BOXMAN

01-05-2007, 05:51 PM

UPDATE: I no longer work for Ingalls so DONT email or PM me for Ingalls questions or anything Ingalls related!

xdejablu3x

01-09-2007, 11:16 PM

captainlaziness

01-10-2007, 12:33 AM

sense the struts are under the car accessories...can you still put the stock carpet cover thing over them?...and if you can does it look like its out of place or fits just right?

You've got to cut the foam holders before they will fit. Once the foam has been cut to work around the bar, the stock carpet thing fits without any problems or looking funny.

CorSport

02-04-2007, 05:07 PM

Bump!

Lots in stock, ships same day ordered!

Best price around:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121426&highlight=&sid=71878be12f71c523a08d9a3e9c0afeef

Tai
CorSport

atodak

02-06-2007, 12:49 PM

Any topshots of the foam already cut around everything?

asthmatic

02-06-2007, 04:27 PM

Nope, there are no pictures of the foam, anywhere...

captainlaziness

02-06-2007, 06:58 PM

Any topshots of the foam already cut around everything?

I'll try and get some pics for you.

FLINT

02-20-2007, 07:04 AM

pics r on 1st page

asthmatic

02-20-2007, 04:01 PM

^i know, im the second poster and i gave a link to my pics.

Matt_Burgess

02-25-2007, 03:12 AM

gonna buy soon, mabe the next week or so :eyebrow:

CorSport

02-25-2007, 04:21 AM

gonna buy soon, mabe the next week or so :eyebrow:

Sweet... it's a nice part you'll love it.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=121426

Tai
CorSport

laziluck

08-14-2007, 11:26 PM

hi i recently bought the part, and both corsport and ingalls has been very helpful with my situation...

i just wanted to ask, am i correct in saying the part came with 2 spacers? and they are actually necessary to install properly?

lastly i was told, that the spacers cant be bought at a local auto shop because of special width of the spacers...is this true?

curently, i have 4 washers, 2 bolts, 2 nuts, and no spacers.

jiggadomino

08-16-2007, 02:43 PM

yea i ended up not using some of the spacers cause the bolts were just too short. Couldn't screw everything in to the brim.

here are some pics of the foam thingy

http://www.scion-tech.org/w/images/9/91/Ingalls_rear_scion_tc_strut_brace_install_009.jpg
http://www.scion-tech.org/w/images/0/01/Ingalls_rear_scion_tc_strut_brace_install_010.jpg
http://www.scion-tech.org/w/images/4/4e/Ingalls_rear_scion_tc_strut_brace_install_011.jpg
http://www.scion-tech.org/w/images/e/e7/Ingalls_rear_scion_tc_strut_brace_install_012.jpg
http://www.scion-tech.org/w/images/0/08/Ingalls_rear_scion_tc_strut_brace_install_013.jpg

jiggadomino

10-22-2007, 10:05 PM

can anyone tell me the length of the bolts that were shorter?

I am trying to get longer bolts from ingalls because the ones i have now are not long enough

senseiturtle

02-25-2008, 10:59 PM

Just in case anyone was wondering, this modification is NOT legal under STS autocross classification.

The rule, copy/pasted--

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Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars
may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper
right to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower
right to lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration
is permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting
bolts. Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels
may be modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or
slots may be no larger than necessary and may serve no other
purpose. This does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond the allowed mounting holes.

-----------------

Disappointing. Looks like I'll have to try to squeeze in a probably-not-going-to-work simple strut tower bar. I really was looking forward to using this, but ah well.