Hiya guys i was lookin into these 2 chargers for my Xb, there i s a diff in price and style i heard that the PE can produce 10 to 15hp more than the blitz.
I was wondering if any1 has instaled the PE and has any dyno results or track times with it also with a pic and the same with the gredd kit.
Any replies will be appreciated.
Thanks

there was a guy (matchbox) that did dyno tune his PE300.
even with heavy19's, he put down 144ish whp.

i have not tuned mine fully...all i can say is i get over 145whp. (with heavy PIAA 18's and BBK)

whoaa thats alot of hp for a SC hm.. now im really considering that PE, what other mods u have to make it around that much?

header/muffler.
injectors/fuel rail.
lighten everything else

check out the ride of the month link in my sig for some more info...

full mod list is still a secret...lol

Do i need the injectors and fuel rail to run this kit? or can i use the stock ones?

everything you will need comes in the kit...

(only upgrade from stock was the fuel pump...)
everything else just tunes a bit more...

also the stock clutch will go very soon after doing this.

draw back is the MPG will drop big time.

Haha yea i think i figured the mpg was gonna go down, im getting the TRD clutch the which is rated for upto 250hp and also gettin a light weight flywheel. Does the kit bring the pump?

skip the overpriced TRD...go clutchmasters or spec...

the kit does have the new pump and regulator (stuff other kits do not include)

i have a few contacts for the clutch i can get it for like 200 sumthin i think thats pretty good. Ok kool, this kit seems very complete so its worth the 3129.00 shipped

hey do you have any audio or video clips with the PE installled? i would like to know how it sounds.

no. all i can say, if you are looking for the 'PPPPFFFTTTT' sound instead of preformance. you will be very upset.

it is a very nice and quiet running SC. it has a BOV, but it is a recirc type. if you vent to atmosphere it can hurt the motor.

I want the performance but also atleast a lil winding noise. thats y i asked.

no spooling noise.
on a SC that noise comes from the belt (tooth style).
this kit uses a multi v belt (or serpintine style).

if it is real quite (no radio and other traffic) i can hear a little bit of boost noise. open a window and the noise is covered up.

PE is a sleeper kit.
enjoy the performance. surprise everyone.

My first post. Does the PE come with an ECU controller or piggyback or is one necessary at all?

no ecu...
no piggy back...

no you do not need one.
they matched the new fuel pump and regulator to the needs of the system.

you're willing to spend a lot of money to hear a winding sound from the engine, don't cha think? I first thought you wanted to spend the money to get performance.

Sorry for the continued hi-jack but would the installation of the PE compressor benefit from the addition of an ECU controller like PE's own Camcon?

it can help, but just a little.
the PE system has a weakness in the mid rpms (2800-3300)
you are lucky if you can get 1-2 hp in that range.

Thanks. Will the PE work w/ my AT?

yes, but the AT is not the best for getting the power to the ground.

You're telling me. This things a dog off the line. But once it winds up it's okay, sorta.

dgHotLava Posted: 6/8/06 6:39PM Post subject:

it can help, but just a little.
the PE system has a weakness in the mid rpms (2800-3300)
you are lucky if you can get 1-2 hp in that range.


why cant it get any power in that range?..........

i want the PE because i want a sleeper........i wonder what matchbox was running in the 1/4 b4 he sold his box for da mini but then again i think he onlee did da 1/8 mile.....i know he ran like 10 something in the 1/8.......

actually, it is a real dog below those rpms...then in the top end of that range two things happen.
1. the SC stops becoming a parasitic drain on the system and starts making boost.
2. the normal power band of the motor also peaks.(vvt does it's magic too) you should be able to feel this 'kick' in your own car. when you add the SC it just makes it more of a 'kick'.

the PE is a sleeper. you have no tell tale sings, no noise...just a quicker than stock whip.

i forget what Matchbox was running down the track, but he did top out at 144hp.

he used the CamCon to tune with (at first) he got about 3.5 hp after doing about 20 dyno pulls.

actually, it is a real dog below those rpms...then in the top end of that range two things happen.
1. the SC stops becoming a parasitic drain on the system and starts making boost.
2. the normal power band of the motor also peaks.(vvt does it's magic too) you should be able to feel this 'kick' in your own car. when you add the SC it just makes it more of a 'kick'.

the PE is a sleeper. you have no tell tale sings, no noise...just a quicker than stock whip.

i forget what Matchbox was running down the track, but he did top out at 144hp.

he used the CamCon to tune with (at first) he got about 3.5 hp after doing about 20 dyno pulls.
hey don't forget he pulled 171hp on the same dyno ZPI used to get 180hp... saw Matchbox's car up close...very nice car and fast....and he if he ran some lightweight wheels instead....woulda been something

yup, he had some oversized heavy 19's on there when he pulled those numbers.

if ZPI got 180 with their setup, i wonder what a stock xB would have??? 130whp??

which is why i get better numbers from lighter 18's (thinking of droping to 17's, then seeing what i get.)

sup guys wow this thread grew lol, im lookin into the greddy turbo kit since its alot less expensive, and if i ever rebuild my engine i can up the psi alot easier im just waiting for that credit card to get here

didnt matchbox have problems with the camcom when he first got it?........yea he was pretty quick with some heavy 19s on there...........now i gotta save up for the PE and for some 16" Rota Slips

i don't remember him having trouble with the unit, rather he did not have the baseline settings.

once he got the baseline settings from PE, it was fine.

i had problems with the CamCon and asked him what he experienced...his setup never had the issues i did.

o my mistake but yea i knew i read somewhere that he/she had problems with the camcon i wish dat matchbox had more vids of his ride b4 he got da mini cuzz i would of luv to have seen his box in action but the photos were great too

he upgraded from the camcon if i recall to a better set up....what he never solved was it running lean and throwing cel at 3500 rpms if I recall correctly

no spooling noise.
on a SC that noise comes from the belt (tooth style).
this kit uses a multi v belt (or serpintine style).

if it is real quite (no radio and other traffic) i can hear a little bit of boost noise. open a window and the noise is covered up.

PE is a sleeper kit.
enjoy the performance. surprise everyone.actually that is not true. My Blitz charger makes a lot of whinning noise but it uses a serpentine belt, 4pk, no tooth. The "roots" type charger (Blitz) makes a whinning noise, the "centrifical" type is much more quiet(power enterprises). The "Screw type charger (Greddy) makes noise also, but not as much as the roots type. Everyone is talking horsepower here, the PE kit puts out more power, but not nearly the torque, simply cause it is a centrifical type charger. depends on what u want, low end or top end power, low end is fun running around town. Also, to answer another question, the stock XA and XB puts down 93 whp

i remember seeing some gauge being displayed on a Gameboy SP what was that? if i can recall correctly he said something bout being able to tune something with it

no spooling noise.
on a SC that noise comes from the belt (tooth style).
this kit uses a multi v belt (or serpintine style).

if it is real quite (no radio and other traffic) i can hear a little bit of boost noise. open a window and the noise is covered up.

PE is a sleeper kit.
enjoy the performance. surprise everyone.actually that is not true. My Blitz charger makes a lot of whinning noise but it uses a serpentine belt, 4pk, no tooth. The "roots" type charger (Blitz) makes a whinning noise, the "centrifical" type is much more quiet(power enterprises). The "Screw type charger (Greddy) makes noise also, but not as much as the roots type. Everyone is talking horsepower here, the PE kit puts out more power, but not nearly the torque, simply cause it is a centrifical type charger. depends on what u want, low end or top end power, low end is fun running around town. Also, to answer another question, the stock XA and XB puts down 93 whp

ok...

i never really heard the roots style for the xb.
i know the roots systems for other cars and they used a toothed belt. they would drill little hole in the toothed pulley to quiet it down....

and hp is nice, but torque is what really makes it fun.

i remember seeing some gauge being displayed on a Gameboy SP what was that? if i can recall correctly he said something bout being able to tune something with it
this is what you saw...

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=79420&highlight=gameboy

there was another thread...but you can search for it...

shouldnt there onlee b a weekness in first gear since that would most likely b da onlee time where you would b in the 2800-3300rpms well when your gunning it anyways then after 1st gear your basically above 3300rpm and then thats nothing but boost right? correct me if im wrong........but yea im fine with the high end boost with gas prices now a days but then again my rpm is normally above 3000rpm anyways cuzz of my heavy foot :P

also wasnt there some conflict between the camcon and the ecu?

also wasnt there some conflict between the camcon and the ecu?

Our ECU is very stubborn and smart at that. I think any piggy back will have issues with this ECU

yes ^^^^

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

Its NOT going to get 30mpg with the power that they are making....

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

Its NOT going to get 30mpg with the power that they are making....
but it can.

you just keep it out of boost...

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

Its NOT going to get 30mpg with the power that they are making....
but it can.

you just keep it out of boost...

Something you guys/girls have to understand about modifications and turbocharging. You cant simply keep it out of boost. 30mpg? Do you know that the ZPI kit comes with injectors about 100cc over the stock size? What does a stock car with tiny injectors and 108hp get? I was getting 34-37mpg. I now get 26-29mpg and I am running stock injectors and farily lean (13.5 AFR). The ZPI kit was making way more power with larger injectors and an AFR of 10.5. Please, think about it for a second.... :no:

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

Its NOT going to get 30mpg with the power that they are making....
but it can.

you just keep it out of boost...

Something you guys/girls have to understand about modifications and turbocharging. You cant simply keep it out of boost. 30mpg? Do you know that the ZPI kit comes with injectors about 100cc over the stock size? What does a stock car with tiny injectors and 108hp get? I was getting 34-37mpg. I now get 26-29mpg and I am running stock injectors and farily lean (13.5 AFR). The ZPI kit was making way more power with larger injectors and an AFR of 10.5. Please, think about it for a second.... :no:
good point

so does anyone else out there have the Power Enterprise Supercharger or is everyone planning on the Greddy and the Blitz? or the gas saving 30 miles to da gallon ZPI turbo? :P

Its NOT going to get 30mpg with the power that they are making....
but it can.

you just keep it out of boost...

Something you guys/girls have to understand about modifications and turbocharging. You cant simply keep it out of boost. 30mpg? Do you know that the ZPI kit comes with injectors about 100cc over the stock size? What does a stock car with tiny injectors and 108hp get? I was getting 34-37mpg. I now get 26-29mpg and I am running stock injectors and farily lean (13.5 AFR). The ZPI kit was making way more power with larger injectors and an AFR of 10.5. Please, think about it for a second.... :no:
good point

Dont get me wrong. Again, I am not blasting ZPI, but I think we need to bring people back to reality when it comes to our cars here. Yeah, it will be nice to have a 200hp+ (because at 181whp, the engine is making more than 200hp) car that gets 30mpg but its not going to happen on our 1.5L....okie?

Okay this is from a guy who knows really nothing about the Mechanics and the boosting of a car( but I have come along way in 8 months of owning my xB), but I have an honest realistic question/statment about MPG.

Who would honestly think about getting boosted and then worry about fuel economy?
From the moment I started drooling over the Greddy SC 5 months ago till now with the turbo, I have known that once I was F/I, fuel economy was out the door. Shoot I learned that after my very first mod (air intake), all I wanted to do was stomp the gas, and MPG went way down.

This is not me siding with anybody or one company, but an overall F/I realiaztion. Dont get me wrong I would love to be Boosted and still get 32mpg. But im buying a product becuse it suits my needs for hp and is a great product, not the MPG I will retain.

okay, quick Q, which, if any, kit will work with my AT, and not destroy the engine and/or tranny

okay, quick Q, which, if any, kit will work with my AT, and not destroy the engine and/or tranny

Is this a real question or a Joke. :question: The Greedy SC is designed for an AT and proably won't put as much wear and tear on the engine and tranny as a turbo setup. But my car is at ZPI for testing on an AT, if you need more hp than the SC has.

no its not a joke, i dont know too much about any type of forced induction, no need to be so brash and rude, but thanks anyway for the info

no its not a joke, i dont know too much about any type of forced induction, no need to be so brash and rude, but thanks anyway for the info

Sorry wasnt trying to be, I really wasnt sure if it was a joke or not. But I answered it just incase I was reading it wrong, which I was. :P If you have some other question, I would be glad to help you out the best I can.

So the Greedy SC is designed for an AT?

So the Greedy SC is designed for an AT?

That's what Greddy states Jason, they just forgot to check to see if the ECU was the same in the 06 models, which it wasn't. :doh: :lalala: The ZPI turbo will be able to be used on manual or Auto( the auto having less boost) and will come will both ECU pin out's depending on what year you have.

sorry for another stupid Q, but what will the zpi auto turbo have in the kit?

sorry for another stupid Q, but what will the zpi auto turbo have in the kit?
There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers. :P
The kit will be exactly the same as the manual kit, except it will run less boost, so as not to wear on the tranny as much. Im adding a Trans cooler to help with the added abuse to the tranny. Here is the link to what comes in the kit, substitute 6 psi instead of 8 psi for the auto's boost.
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/store/product_info.php?products_id=211

Here is the deal ok guys? No matter what different shops or companies out there may claim. We arent going to make the XB a "better" and more "efficient" car than it already is. They dont just get some guys, decide to put a car together, and out comes the xb. Anything that we do to the cars will change the characteristics and how this car is "supposed" to be. Whether its fuel economy, driveability, whatever, it will change as soon as we start modding the car. I remember some post about a guy saying that he was getting 38mpg after he went FI. Its almost comical at what some people claim their car can or cannot do. Lets look at things from a realistic point of view. Like P said above, he knew that fuel economy was going to suffer as soon as he went FI. He knew the risks, benefits, cons....realisticly.

yes, lets be realistic.

your milage will drop.
with a turbo, you can control how badly this drop will be depending on your driving habits. (keeping it out of boost, crusing)
with the supercharger you can not control it as much.
(if you cruise, the boost is still up there and eating more fuel)

and the 'rules' of supercharging do not apply to our small displacement motor.
my caddy went from 9 to 14mpg after putting on the vortex SC (9psi)

but this is not my caddy, so i went from 32 to 22mpg when i did all the work.

Well, yes, getting on the gas when you have a turbo will determine if you get 19mpg or 25mpg, You wont get 33mpg though. Doesnt matter how you drive. The manifold set up, vac, etc all change when you go turbo.

true...but you could get 29-30 if you baby it...

and just because you COULD get it, does not mean you WILL get it.

The best I have gotten was 30mpg when driving from LA to SLO (a 5 hour drive) staying off the boost on the highway. My car is running farily lean also with stock injectors. No one using larger injectors and a larger turbo is going to get more than that no matter how they drive. Anyhow, maybe we can figure something with the tuning that can improve gas mileage...

with any F/I you have to run on higher octane fuel ratings right?

i wonder how many miles Baine is getting out of his XB driving with his Blitz SC back in forth from Northside to Southside and Back North Again which i would say is about a 40 mile commute

With my Blitz sc set at 1/3 throttle engagement, my last tank of gas i read 341 miles, i filled up to 10.4 gallons. the tank before i got 322 miles. i have my Camcon set at 8% rich also, along with the Blitz piggyback settings.

so i believe what zpi says, a turbo is more efficient than a SC therefore gas mileage will be better. With the motor tuned well it should be more efficient with the turbo as a whole. 30mpg is obtainable in my opinion.

wish i could obtain 30mpg with what i have now which is just NA I/H/E/P i believe the onlee time i really got 30+mpg was when i went to SC and that was like a 377mile trip for me on a full tank goin bout 80-90 mph sometimes 100 when i got impatient haha but comeing back was a whole nother story i had to fill up like two or three times not sure why guess i was in a hurry to get home :P.......is it possible to put an intercooler/aftercooler on with the PE SC? if so whats a good one?

With my Blitz sc set at 1/3 throttle engagement, my last tank of gas i read 341 miles, i filled up to 10.4 gallons. the tank before i got 322 miles. i have my Camcon set at 8% rich also, along with the Blitz piggyback settings.

Are you having any ecu problems? Does your car ever hesitate in full throttle? Are you running stock injectors? I am curious to see how the Camcom system compares with the Emanage map.

i wonder how many miles Baine is getting out of his XB driving with his Blitz SC back in forth from Northside to Southside and Back North Again which i would say is about a 40 mile commute

Its something like 60 miles roundtrip-- And last time I talked to him, her was getting something like 27ish MPG. We went down to Savannah for a show-- about 240 miles from metro ATL, and did about 75 the whole way... he had just a lil lower than my naturally asperated toaster... He just got his new header on last week, so now he has a complete setup (I helped put it on) So his mileage may change now...

mid 20s is accurate. I commute 75 miles a day and my mpg is pretty consistant.

i also have an intrest in greddy turbo kit just cuzz its cost effiecent but it has to be running right b4 i could actually get the kit...... i still want the PE supercharger but it just cost alot...... i think i would rather spend 2Gs on a greddy turbo kit plus it looks good well da pic of it does on the site that sells it but thats without the intercooler......it should b fine without an intercooler right? and a turbo isnt to loud is it well i doubt i would hear it over my exhaust since its so loud haha

i also have an intrest in greddy turbo kit just cuzz its cost effiecent but it has to be running right b4 i could actually get the kit...... i still want the PE supercharger but it just cost alot...... i think i would rather spend 2Gs on a greddy turbo kit plus it looks good well da pic of it does on the site that sells it but thats without the intercooler......it should b fine without an intercooler right? and a turbo isnt to loud is it well i doubt i would hear it over my exhaust since its so loud haha

You wouldnt need the intercooler but it would be a good investment. I have not experienced any heat issues but after driving the car, you can feel the heat on the pre intercooler pipe vs the post intercooler pipe....big difference.

i guess i would have everything sittin around in my house if i were to get it haha well just till i get everything needed such as clutch and flywheel to go with the FI and then do some more learning on FI and piggyback programming and what not

what does a waste gate do? from what im gettin from what it is called im assuming that it lets out excess air.........and what does a BOV do aside from making that hiss noise?

what does a waste gate do? from what im gettin from what it is called im assuming that it lets out excess air.........and what does a BOV do aside from making that hiss noise?

Here Jason read this..
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=123089

thats for the insite now let class begin haha

ok another question how did you get oil to the turbo turbine? is it like civic's where your have to tap the oil pan and what not? speaking of oil pans does anyone out there make oil pans for our cars?