well we checked it out during import motion because they had about 6 there. here is my little list of things i liked vs things ididnt like.


liked:
styling - very much like a celica replacement. clean overall exterior
headlights - looked awesome needs some eyebrows to cover them though.
stereo - very nice sounding for factory though it had the sub included.
build quality - very nice quality. they did a hell of a job making it look near perfect.
Glass roof - ULTRA COOL and nice.
reclining rear seats - need i say more???
great rear leg room - near equal to my camry.
engine - QUIET
aftermarket -comming real soon

disliked:
front seat - im not a huge person 5'10 240lbs but man i felt to big for the car. i would be sharing with my wife, but still too small for me
rear seats - when you sit in them you can feel a bar under you. NOT ENOUGH PADDING hell even the rep agreed
cloth material - did not like it at all. the material covering the doors, seats, and armrest felt extremely cheap. fetl like well hmm 2 dollar polyester. though it did look nice, it just was not comfortable. and when you spend alot of time in your car, it makes a huge impact.
back of front seat - you can see though to the framerails through the material . im guessing they made it loose for rear knee room but man.
interior panels - felt cheap. just a step above sentra quality. though they had some padding there was excessive use of plastic. touching it with a little pressure you could feel the hard plastic below it. NOTHING like my cam.


the thing that made the biggest difference in the choice of wanting to purchase the car was the cloth material. it felt plasticy. my wife felt real uncomfortable after sitting for 15 minutes becuase of this.
i justified everything. i think if toyota did use a different material (CLOTH)for the seats and door panel/side panels, they would have had a huge hit.
EDIT: las thing i didnt like was the rear sunshade. they should have made it a solid panel shade rather than the retractable vinyl one.

i am entitled to my opinions so dont flame. just comment. :lol:

Solutions for bad:

• racing seats on handmade sliders
• remove rear seats completely
• fiberglass door panels

You say you felt big in it. How so? Were you high up from the floor, was the seat too small, what?

disliked:
front seat - im not a huge person 5'10 240lbs but man i felt to big for the car. i would be sharing with my wife, but still too small for me


Well, I'm 5'9" and 120lbs, so I'd say yeah you are.... :lol:

I actually loved the cloth seats on the Tc, a lot better then the seats used in the other toyota products.

I remember you from Camryman.org. I havent tried the tC myself (i drive the box). Yeah, I miss the Camry's vinyl padding on the doors and dash. Although the cloth seats on the Camry, honestly sucks. But I also miss the Driver Power seat on the Gen4.5Camry. I wonder if Scion will ever have driver power seat. The seats need better adjusting Have you checked out the big boat Solara with it's big butt?:D

240 not huge? Haha. I am 5'8 and 120. That is two times as big as me.

disliked:
front seat - im not a huge person 5'10 240lbs but man i felt to big for the car. i would be sharing with my wife, but still too small for me


Well, I'm 5'9" and 120lbs, so I'd say yeah you are.... :lol:

yea 240 is kinda... huge, and wide. I think the padding will be fine for most people who are 45-90lbs lighter. :wink:
oh and you might want to actually drive it first. and if you did you said nothing about acceleration and handling.

i justified everything. i think if toyota did use a different material (CLOTH)for the seats and door panel/side panels, they would have had a huge hit.



i'm sorry but its already a hit. we have 47 deposits and counting as of today, but 16 of the 47 was the last 4 days. :D

Yea, the seat material isn't really going to make many people think twice when the rest of the package is so good. I agree though, I wish that leather was an option because the cloth material in the car is so weird...they should of also looked at the VW GTI interior's cloth for a hint...

chainlink type material is not grade A to say the least. my knees were hitting the dash as i do like to sit up and SEE over the dash instead of looking like im 5'2 like most of you smaller people. :P. all cars (minus aztek) have initail great sales. think of the H2 for the first 3 months after that the sales have decreased every month since then.

looks like im getting a GASP accord possibly.

as for the solara comment. dare you to visit solaraguy.com and say it. :wink:

The seat material will stay cleaner than cloth ever will. It's not lint-attracting, so they stay cleaner looking.

If the material is your biggest gripe, then I'd say it's a pretty damned good car.

chainlink type material is not grade A to say the least. my knees were hitting the dash as i do like to sit up and SEE over the dash instead of looking like im 5'2 like most of you smaller people. :P. all cars (minus aztek) have initail great sales. think of the H2 for the first 3 months after that the sales have decreased every month since then.

looks like im getting a GASP accord possibly.

as for the solara comment. dare you to visit solaraguy.com and say it. :wink:

true, sales of any car is always great the first year but this car doesn't have the price of a H2. that's why sales of corolla's, civic's, camry's and accords never really fall off from year to year cause of the price.

seeing over the dash of any car will be hard when automakers are making cars with shorter and shorter front and rear overhangs. having the driver seat lower will give the driver more feedback on what's going on than a higher seating position. that's why all true sports cars has the driver sitting in the car like if you were lying down in a bathtub.

chainlink type material is not grade A to say the least. my knees were hitting the dash as i do like to sit up and SEE over the dash instead of looking like im 5'2 like most of you smaller people. :P. all cars (minus aztek) have initail great sales. think of the H2 for the first 3 months after that the sales have decreased every month since then.

looks like im getting a GASP accord possibly.

as for the solara comment. dare you to visit solaraguy.com and say it. :wink:

All cars? Last time I looked, the Chevrolet Aveo wasn't flying off the dealer lots :D. True, many cars have good sales in the first model year but I honestly think that Scion has hit a chord with not just the tC but all their models and the brand overall. Seat quality is something that can be fixed in the next model year but the car overall is a great buy for most people...definitely a better package then a Civic coupe IMHO. Still, Scion needs to look at the Mazda 3 seats for some inspiration...

its not just the seat material. its the material covering the door inserts, rear panels and the armrest. hell the material felt like it was going to rip right off on the armrest. we were offered a sponsorship from the dealer though if we bought it. then again we are at almost all shows across california. its a decent car. esp. for the price. calling me big or whatever can get me to sit on your face and fart when i do see you as benching a 150lb kid is not very hard. :shock: :lol:

as for the driving impressions, well you kinda cant take a car that is displayed in a carshow for a testdrive you think :roll: i forgot the guy from scionmag's name but he was a pretty cool guy. we are going to drive it sometime this week and see how we feel about the manual vs auto. one complaint my wife had about the auto was the gated shifter as she's not "used" to it.

i also agree that i would take it over a civic coupe but i do like the cloth material much better in the civic . imagine driving on a hot day. my wife was sticking to the seats EASILY (she models duh) and that turned her away from the car.

is it the same cloth as the xB?

sure doesnt feel the same. i actually like the XB interior better. but it doesnt have enough power to satisfy my craving nor having the smog legal parts that can make up for it. nor does it have enough legroom for me in the front with the seats all the way back.

hmm .... i wonder why they don't have leather seat as an option

I do not like the seat material on my 2003 civic EX coupe. It attracts tons of lint and cat hair. Even a vacuum will not get the hair off. Have to use a lint brush.

You can always get aftermarket race seats....Sparco anybody?

still deciding on which car will be the daily driver. racing seats are an option but more than likely i would go with a katzskin interior. at least bit like i said i dont like the seat/insert/panel material. the other part is the bar you feel under the back seat righ about where the foam gets a bit of a molding. sacraficed for headroom. even the 5'8 150lb guy could feel it so you cant tell me its my fat ___.

im not worried about the seat material. if i want leater or diff material, i can ask my g/f if her uncle(he does interior/exterior work) can do the seats in a diff material for me. of course i'll have to pay.

Yeah, i'm sorry, but the type of fabric they used is kind of a weak thing to be disappointed about in a car, when you listed all the other important things as great.

Go buy your civic, I have one, and I'm getting rid of it for the tC.

Yeah, i'm sorry, but the type of fabric they used is kind of a weak thing to be disappointed about in a car, when you listed all the other important things as great.

Go buy your civic, I have one, and I'm getting rid of it for the tC.

I think it's a VERY valid point. Cheap, crappy seats are a pretty big issue to have with a car, especially if they are uncomfortable. An even bigger question would be if the material would wear well.

At least with other cars, you have the option to upgrade to leather seats...not an option in this case.

For you to say that it is a weak thing to be disappointed about is pretty short-sighted. It's like saying that "Oh this girl is GORGEOUS and I want to spend the next 5 years of my life with her...but she's dumb as a stump. But oh well, she looks good and is great in bed, so I can look past her lack of a brain."

The bad fabric/seats are his opinion. The "experts" have said that the seats are comfortable. I will decide on my test drive. But I will not let the seats be the overriding factor. This car has too many great things going for it so everyone will just have to jot down the pluses and minuses and make a final decision.

Kevin

Yeah, i'm sorry, but the type of fabric they used is kind of a weak thing to be disappointed about in a car, when you listed all the other important things as great.

Go buy your civic, I have one, and I'm getting rid of it for the tC.

I think it's a VERY valid point. Cheap, crappy seats are a pretty big issue to have with a car, especially if they are uncomfortable. An even bigger question would be if the material would wear well.

At least with other cars, you have the option to upgrade to leather seats...not an option in this case.

For you to say that it is a weak thing to be disappointed about is pretty short-sighted. It's like saying that "Oh this girl is GORGEOUS and I want to spend the next 5 years of my life with her...but she's dumb as a stump. But oh well, she looks good and is great in bed, so I can look past her lack of a brain."

the tC does have a leather option.

Yeah, i'm sorry, but the type of fabric they used is kind of a weak thing to be disappointed about in a car, when you listed all the other important things as great.

Go buy your civic, I have one, and I'm getting rid of it for the tC.

I think it's a VERY valid point. Cheap, crappy seats are a pretty big issue to have with a car, especially if they are uncomfortable. An even bigger question would be if the material would wear well.

At least with other cars, you have the option to upgrade to leather seats...not an option in this case.

For you to say that it is a weak thing to be disappointed about is pretty short-sighted. It's like saying that "Oh this girl is GORGEOUS and I want to spend the next 5 years of my life with her...but she's dumb as a stump. But oh well, she looks good and is great in bed, so I can look past her lack of a brain."

the tC does have a leather option.

WHere? I didn't see it in the Toyota or TRD options list.

Yeah, i'm sorry, but the type of fabric they used is kind of a weak thing to be disappointed about in a car, when you listed all the other important things as great.

Go buy your civic, I have one, and I'm getting rid of it for the tC.

I think it's a VERY valid point. Cheap, crappy seats are a pretty big issue to have with a car

I agree 100%.

-matt

well, as many have wrote before, 240lbs is Huge!!! Being that big you would feel the springs and bars on a couch for that matter....If you want better...be prepared to pay more...go look into a lexus. There will be faults in any car at that price and some more expensive, for that matter. Thats like saying "This pool 5uck5 " and having no arms! What ever happend to logic???




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It's like saying that "Oh this girl is GORGEOUS and I want to spend the next 5 years of my life with her...but she's dumb as a stump. But oh well, she looks good and is great in bed, so I can look past her lack of a brain."

Hey if she is super hot and good in bed I just might be willing to compromise. :D :lol: :D

and its true fat, I mean large people often need alot more support then the average person. :wink:

It's like saying that "Oh this girl is GORGEOUS and I want to spend the next 5 years of my life with her...but she's dumb as a stump. But oh well, she looks good and is great in bed, so I can look past her lack of a brain."

Hey if she is super hot and good in bed I just might be willing to compromise. :D :lol: :D

and its true fat, I mean large people often need alot more support then the average person. :wink:

But the emotional drain would be too much to bear. I've tried to have conversations with people with rocks for brains, and I was worn out afterwards both physically and mentally.

i went to the local scion dealership today to see if they had one in and as i pulled in i saw a white one, it was auto so i didn't ask to drive it, but i have to say i was not impressed. it looks better in the pics as far as i'm concerned, the front end makes the car look bulky and comparable to a rollerskate, those are my feelings, not even considering it now. sorry guys, good luck with the tC.

later,
jason

i went to the local scion dealership today to see if they had one in and as i pulled in i saw a white one, it was auto so i didn't ask to drive it, but i have to say i was not impressed. it looks better in the pics as far as i'm concerned, the front end makes the car look bulky and comparable to a rollerskate, those are my feelings, not even considering it now. sorry guys, good luck with the tC.

later,
jason

First time I have heard the front end of a car compared to a rollerskate. Not sure what it means but I will take a look once my dealer gets a tC.

Kevin

having the driver seat lower will give the driver more feedback on what's going on than a higher seating position. that's why all true sports cars has the driver sitting in the car like if you were lying down in a bathtub.
No, they make you sit like that because the entire car is lower for better handling (lower center of gravity) and aerodynamics (when you've got something low and wide, you've got to make it short to decrease frontal surface area). I don't think most people like to sit in some goofy laid down position unless they are trying to imitate someone they saw on MTV. Take a look at race car drivers. None of them sit with their arms fully extended on the wheel and their seatbacks reclined over 45 degrees.

no, i thought the whole car looked like a rollerskate, the wheels are the wheels, the front end is the toe and the back is the heal, you get the idea, that is just what i thought when i saw it, think about it when you see one, maybe i'm just retarded (which is pretty likely :))

no, i thought the whole car looked like a rollerskate, the wheels are the wheels, the front end is the toe and the back is the heal, you get the idea, that is just what i thought when i saw it, think about it when you see one, maybe i'm just retarded (which is pretty likely :))

yea the tC looks alot better lowered. The rolllerskate effect is the 4X4 look it has on the stock springs.

i hate the way the tC look with the stock springs... when lower, it looks hotT. but i like the tc either way. dropped or floating.

disliked:
front seat - im not a huge person 5'10 240lbs but man i felt to big for the car. i would be sharing with my wife, but still too small for me


Well, I'm 5'9" and 120lbs, so I'd say yeah you are.... :lol:

The scrawny guys can have courage on the internet, where they don't have to worry about getting their ___ kicked.

I sat in a azure pearl stick yesterday and I found the seats quite good. They are soft yet supportive at the same time. As for the material, its like a mixure of cloth and nylon(?), and something stretchy. This other material gives the upholstery a shiney sheen to it and makes it feel somewhat smooth. Definitly not like civic and accord seats but not bad either, just different. There was a comment earlier that these seats do not attract lint, and it seems to be true. There was some lint and I just brushed it off, no prob. Not so for civic seats. I have a 93 civic and those seats attract lint like a mofo.

The back seats are not the highlight of the tc. They have small bottoms and the rear window roofline is pretty darn low. Simliar to sitting in the rear seat of a 92-96 prelude, except that there is a lot more legroom. There's also good room to fit your feet under the front seat as well. I'm 5'4", 120 and found the seats to fit me well. Larger folks may have issues.

well, as many have wrote before, 240lbs is Huge!!! Being that big you would feel the springs and bars on a couch for that matter....If you want better...be prepared to pay more...go look into a lexus. There will be faults in any car at that price and some more expensive, for that matter. Thats like saying "This pool 5uck5 " and having no arms! What ever happend to logic???



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hey dumb ___. did you read the whole TOPIC i doubt it. BACK ____ING SEAT has a ____ing bar. so unless you weigh less that 100lbs your gonna feel it. at 5'8 150lbs the ____ing dealer felt it. not to mention my wife at 115lbs and 5'4 could feel it. so is it the weight NO. STUPID ____

Hey dude do u think u can add more f*cks to your post next time :wink: , thanks "K"

hey dumb ___. did you read the whole TOPIC i doubt it. BACK ____ING SEAT has a ____ing bar. so unless you weigh less that 100lbs your gonna feel it. at 5'8 150lbs the ____ing dealer felt it. STUPID ____

sure can :lol: that was my wife also.

chill out

8) i am chilled out. morons who put "well at that weight you would feel springs thru couches and ____" really need to check what they say. i suggest next time he wants to mock someone about weight he does so in person and see where it gets him.

the seats were not the only thing that turned me away. you all saw the list of dislikes. considering i dont STAND in the FRIGGIN car i think its VERY friggin important that the seats FRONT AND BACK be comfortable. now if you can fell a bar being half way shoved up your ___ only weighing 115 lbs. there is a major problem there. even the dealer (rep from roseville scion) agreed that to make headroom in the back, they had to sacrafice foam to give you 2 inches of room (3 fingers for me)
the major problem is the fabric. its not toyota quality PERIOD. we have a hellof alot of toyotas in the family (5 camrys, 2 es300's, LX470 Gs430 Lx450 Rx300 ect etc. and this just is not their quality. the armrest material was real loose as if to be able to pull it off. mix of elastic/plastic/chainlink. most of you are too dumbstruct to notice it. :roll: if you actually take the time to examine the car in and out its not all it was made to be. i love it. i wanna buy it but the seat/doorinsert/centerconsole/fabric in general has to go. add another 1000+ to the price to get it all redone. 99.9% of the people on this forum (or any in general) will make their car to be the best on the market whether it is or not. this forum is no exception anyone not agreeing its the GREATEST IN ITS CATEGORY has to deal with BS spitting kids.

Curse all you want but please dont damn my god, thank you and god bless "K" :wink:

god damn.

disliked:
front seat - im not a huge person 5'10 240lbs but man i felt to big for the car. i would be sharing with my wife, but still too small for me


Well, I'm 5'9" and 120lbs, so I'd say yeah you are.... :lol:

The scrawny guys can have courage on the internet, where they don't have to worry about getting their ___ kicked.

Hey, I have courage in real life, too. I'm not exactly huge, but I have 7% bodyfat and am quick.

If all else fails, I'd just call the cops :P

chill out
chillax.

chill out
chillax.

CHILLLLLLLLLLL OUT :D So much noise over some car seats. If it's not made of wood then you should be fine. Maybe you should check out a Navigator or escalade or something they are sure to make your seats extra fluffy. :wink:

chill out
chillax.

CHILLLLLLLLLLL OUT :D Ive never heard so much noise over some car seats. If it's not made of wood then you should be fine.


lol well how about metal????? :lol: or even worse SNAILS???? EWWWW

but seriously. when you get in your car and drive you cant tell me one of the most important thing is SEAT COMFORT. you dont exactly drive standing up or kneeling for that fact. thats why it is important when buying a car. hell the same reason i wouldnt consider a focus they are uncomfortable. the recaros in the vue redline though are HELLA comfortable. (too bad the car isint as great as the TC.)

honestly the the seats can't be that bad. I expect them to be nice and firm not insanely comfy. I'm driving not making babies. :wink:

Um... When I sat in the backseat I did not feel a pipe shoved up my ___... I don't know what car you were sitting in but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a tC...

I weigh about 135 5'6...

Seat comfort is indeed an important thing (especially for me, seeing as how I'm a HUGE 6'0" 250 lbs.), but I've been driving around a 1987 Toyota Corolla for years... if I can handle the no padding seats on that, I think I'll be fine.

One question I do have is head room. I'm test driving next week, but... is this a legitimate gripe? I know I personally like to drive with the front seat all the way back (unless there's people in the back seat, of course), and reclined at probably a 20 degree angle or so... I like to feel that I'm lying down more than sitting up when I'm driving. Should be ok, no?

(Oh, and as for the fabric, I've seen it, and I think it's great, kind of neopreny... reminds of the seats they had in the original ccX concept car (which I thought were the coolest seats ever designed)... heck of an improvement over the usual crap that you see in an econocar. Only thing is, it won't be as useful for wiping oil and engine grease off my hands as regular fabric... oh well).

I sat in a Celica... My spiked hair was nearly touching the roof...

Then I sat in the tC... Much much better...

But it depends on how you recline it... I like to be in almost straight position... But not like deathgrip driver position...

yeah. celica=much worse in the headroom dept.

as far as seat material...don't matter. aint know deal breaker for me. remember, the rear seats have to be designed a certain way for them to recline back AND fold fairly flat to allow more cargo room. i'm all for a bar that will add more support for a BABY SEAT to brace against. that's all i really care about for the back.

the front seats are ok.

I got a chance to drive a stock Azure Blue Stick Shift.

First Impressions.
I really like the color and body style, they are as good as the pictures I have seen. Unfortunately I’m 5’8’’ 170 Lbs and the roof was uncomfortably close to my head. The drivers seat was of low quality for a Toyota (I’ll admit I’m spoiled by the leather in my Solara) but any Corolla has got these beat. The panoramic moon roof is covered by a spring-loaded vinyl blind that has a very cheap feel, I would have rather just had the roof heavily tinted. Sitting in the drivers seat the pedals felt like they were positioned too far to the right of the steering column. It’s immediately apparent that a long trip would not be comfortable.

Driving.
The cabin noise was nice and quiet especially considering the low price of the car. Unfortunately, I think there has been quite a bit of Hype about the car and it’s supposed performance. The motor did make decent power but only at the higher RPM’s. I drove it onto the freeway and full throttle at 50 MPH was a disappointment, the acceleration was lackluster. The steering was precise and willing once the car was moving, I did have a little trouble getting used to the Heavy Torque Steer accelerating during sharp turns. I got to say those Potenza RE92 tires did not have great grip I would seriously consider upgrading them immediately to something like the RE950’s.

Final Impression.
This is a great starter car at the price but does not have the refinement I was hoping for. I think I’m going to take a serious look at the Corolla XRS instead. If I can put that purchase off long enough to get a test drive in a Supercharged version I might still buy one.

Allright genius........... wow I'm im impressed you could get your huge fat ___ in the tC

5'10" and 240 is OBESE! I am 6'2" and 220 and I had no issue with the seat and I drove three of them on Tuesday. Now the Civic was a different story.

Stop and picture the roof for a moment. Where would solid shades go???? hmmmm?
Venetian blind style retractors were the only option.

More tourque and interior space than the RSX, at 5K less.
The Civic? Please......
The GTI? tC has rear wisbone suspension and reliability
The Mitsubishi? tC has better handling, better handling and better handling,,,,
Any other competitors???????

Not one person has mentioned the knee bolster airbag.... otherwise available ONLY in the BMW 7 series.....

Name ANY other car in or above it's class w/ this list of standard features for 16,400..... I dare you.

but remember...not just available, STANDARD FEATURES

Knee Bolster Airbags also available in the RX330 :D

I stand corrected.....


excuse...typing too fast


I meant as a standard item as they are on the tC

drivng = front seat. try sitting in the back seat before you act an ___. you can feel it right at the seam on the padding. i spent a good 20 mintues testing out the seats. my wife stuck to them as well. then again it was are just mad for the FACT THAT THE TC was not all it was made out to be. face it. you are all to stuck in the air that this is the greatest car ever. sorry there are better. i would rather go up the extra 3k for a better quality starter car. IE corolla.
yes the TC is a good car or did you forget to read the first post probably. they could have put a quality hard cover for the moonroof (ie everycar out there with a moonroof) but to cut their costs, they chose a cheap vinyl top. they have the money to make a better quality car. toyota quality has gone WAY DOWN. you cant deny that. their last great car was the 96 camry and the then new avalon. now they take too many shortcuts. 2001 avalons made in the month of march had a peice of duct tape to hold on your a pillar. sounds like great quality.
the reason for the lackluster padding in the rear according to the dealer (this is where you actually sit not the bolstering on the sides of them) was to increase the headroom. i can tell you that. scionmag suggested we take a look at scion101 and we did. once again the material is a buyer breaker for me. the acceleration was real sluggish but it didnt seem too bad. i took my mom in the car as well and she could feel it at 5'1 108lbs still thinks its a FAT ___ R????

i dont see why you are all mad that i dont like the car?/ calling me a fat ___ when i can sit in a celica with more comfort (which is smaller) is a quality issue. ohh well people got their heads up so high to think that this car isint as good as they think it is. 2 door camry this is not.

also 180 at 6'2 is average weight so by your standards your a FAT ___ who is OBESE ____head.

well, as many have wrote before, 240lbs is Huge!!! Being that big you would feel the springs and bars on a couch for that matter....If you want better...be prepared to pay more...go look into a lexus. There will be faults in any car at that price and some more expensive, for that matter. Thats like saying "This pool 5uck5 " and having no arms! What ever happend to logic???



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hey dumb ___. did you read the whole TOPIC i doubt it. BACK ____ING SEAT has a ____ing bar. so unless you weigh less that 100lbs your gonna feel it. at 5'8 150lbs the ____ing dealer felt it. not to mention my wife at 115lbs and 5'4 could feel it. so is it the weight NO. STUPID ____



Dude, to get so upset you must have some real probelms...were you ever molested???...just curious as to you level of anger. FYI these are opinions not a curse oriented type forum, so check yo'self. I wiegh 175 and felt no bar on the back seat. And dude unless you went to the Golden Gloves nationals i suggest you be careful who you threaten. :wink:

drivng = front seat. try sitting in the back seat before you act an ___. you can feel it right at the seam on the padding. i spent a good 20 mintues testing out the seats. my wife stuck to them as well. then again it was are just mad for the FACT THAT THE TC was not all it was made out to be. face it. you are all to stuck in the air that this is the greatest car ever. sorry there are better. i would rather go up the extra 3k for a better quality starter car. IE corolla.
yes the TC is a good car or did you forget to read the first post probably. they could have put a quality hard cover for the moonroof (ie everycar out there with a moonroof) but to cut their costs, they chose a cheap vinyl top. they have the money to make a better quality car. toyota quality has gone WAY DOWN. you cant deny that. their last great car was the 96 camry and the then new avalon. now they take too many shortcuts. 2001 avalons made in the month of march had a peice of duct tape to hold on your a pillar. sounds like great quality.
the reason for the lackluster padding in the rear according to the dealer (this is where you actually sit not the bolstering on the sides of them) was to increase the headroom. i can tell you that. scionmag suggested we take a look at scion101 and we did. once again the material is a buyer breaker for me. the acceleration was real sluggish but it didnt seem too bad. i took my mom in the car as well and she could feel it at 5'1 108lbs still thinks its a FAT ___ R????

i dont see why you are all mad that i dont like the car?/ calling me a fat ___ when i can sit in a celica with more comfort (which is smaller) is a quality issue. ohh well people got their heads up so high to think that this car isint as good as they think it is. 2 door camry this is not.

also 180 at 6'2 is average weight so by your standards your a FAT ___ who is OBESE ____head.


WOW...I didn't know 'tards could type :shock: and 20 min's testing the seat....damn you musts liked that pipe!!!

also 180 at 6'2 is average weight so by your standards your a FAT ___ who is OBESE ____head.

180 at 6'2 is faarrr from obeese man. The point is you don't like the car (or back seats), we got that from your first post. So whats the point of carrying on making noise about it? I guess when you said that you were not overweight that made a couple of people gasp and hurry to correct you. :wink: but seriously we get you don't like it, cool, so you get your camary or whatever and just chillax.

lmfao...

Trdkamuri510...

Like I said... I don't know what car you were sitting in... But it sure as hell wasn't the tC...

And what do you mean the tC wasn't made out to be? At 16k this car is loaded compared to a corolla... The bigger engine allows it to be more acceptable to modding and other aftermarket stuff you can shove in it... (Which is Toyota's main goal and main money maker)... I'm surprised you even mentioned that for 3k more you can get a better starter car... For 3k you can get after market seats... And alot more... (Get a damn CAI to help with your engine-too-slow problems) [/quote]

he didn't like the car...

Fine....

When I bout my Tc for 17k I saw a nice pretty celica GTS with the seats you like with an msrp of 26k.....

Why don't you go get that?


Seriously, you have your views on the seats, we have ours. My mom LOVED the Tc seats compared to the RSX seats she sat in earlier.

I LOVE the Tc seats, not sticky, confortable & easy to change to fit you right.

You have to remember it is still a 16-17k car, everything won't be perfect, but you get a hell of a lot more for that money then you do with almost any other car.

So go buy some POS & spend more money while I get my turbocharger installed & start cranking out more ponies than you'll ever see with a corolla or celica. All for about 5k less than a celica GTS ;)

also 180 at 6'2 is average weight so by your standards your a FAT ___ who is OBESE ____head.

180 at 6'2 is faarrr from obeese man. The point is you don't like the car (or back seats), we got that from your first post. So whats the point of carrying on making noise about it? I guess when you said that you were not overweight that made a couple of people gasp and hurry to correct you. :wink: but seriously we get you don't like it, cool, so you get your camary or whatever and just chillax.

Target weight for a male @ 5' 10" = 132 - 174 lbs based on medical recommendations
Target weight for a male @ 6' 2" = 148 - 195 lbs based on medical recommendations

This thread is :lol:

This thread is :lol:

If we are going to nitpit, I looked inside a RSX and the cupholders are in a location where you have to tilt your drink container (cans might be okay but bottles, etc. are too tall) each time to put in and take out. Talk about bad design!

Kevin

well, as many have wrote before, 240lbs is Huge!!! Being that big you would feel the springs and bars on a couch for that matter....If you want better...be prepared to pay more...go look into a lexus. There will be faults in any car at that price and some more expensive, for that matter. Thats like saying "This pool 5uck5 " and having no arms! What ever happend to logic???



Black sand pearl ordered...arrival July 8th...yeahhhhh boyyyeeeee!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

hey dumb ___. did you read the whole TOPIC i doubt it. BACK ____ING SEAT has a ____ing bar. so unless you weigh less that 100lbs your gonna feel it. at 5'8 150lbs the ____ing dealer felt it. not to mention my wife at 115lbs and 5'4 could feel it. so is it the weight NO. STUPID ____



Dude, to get so upset you must have some real probelms...were you ever molested???...just curious as to you level of anger. FYI these are opinions not a curse oriented type forum, so check yo'self. I wiegh 175 and felt no bar on the back seat. And dude unless you went to the Golden Gloves nationals i suggest you be careful who you threaten. :wink:

did i make any threats??? NO. im not angry far from it. its dumbasses like yourself and several others in this forum. dont belive me. here is a little tidbit for you.
"well, as many have wrote before, 240lbs is Huge!!! Being that big you would feel the springs and bars on a couch for that matter...." "yea 240 is kinda... huge, and wide" "240 not huge? Haha. I am 5'8 and 120. That is two times as big as me." so what does my childhood have to do with anything??? nothing. i brought up a simple topic about what i liked/didnt like. the response was GO BUY ANOTHER CAR FAT ___. now you need to do your homework. i work hard for a living. im not going to throw away money on a car that does not meet the standards that they make it seem. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I PRAISED THE CAR??? or were you too blind making fat jokes?? i think its the latter. you dont rip on a guy weighing 250 becuase he loves the car. yet when i say something remotely true about the car ITS FAT ___ as the response.

you guys are ____in hilarious and stupid at the same time. toyota could have done a better job for 16.5k hell toyota as a whole is only held up by LEXUS for quality. other than that they are behind GM. the BUILD QUALITY IS EXCELLENT IN THE CAR. can you read that??? THE MATERIALS ARE NOT. they skimped in more ways than one. they may not attact lint but try wearing a short shirt (wife does :lol: ) and not stick to the seats. you will. i have yet to do that in cloth. I JUSTIFIED every single statement that was made in the first post. LAST THING WAS these were my opinions. looks like anyone having any opinion bad about the TC on this board gets flamed. you all need to be banned as well as me.

So go buy some POS & spend more money while I get my turbocharger installed & start cranking out more ponies than you'll ever see with a corolla or celica. All for about 5k less than a celica GTS ;)

hmm add the price of the turbo to the car.

BTW it uses the camry engine. still think your faster than the WRAITH or TONY the TIGER. both push well into 700whp with camry's none of you have touched 200. for that fact no one in a TC has put down any numbers here. start proving your faster than a celica/mr2 etc.

once again i liked the car alot. the back breaker for me is the cloth material. to get all this redone add 1000 to 1500 for the price. the front seats were not a problem. it was the back.

Dude, calm down. We're mostly a bunch of 16-25 year old males on an anonymous car forum. What do you expect? :shock:

lmfao...

Trdkamuri510...

Like I said... I don't know what car you were sitting in... But it sure as hell wasn't the tC...

And what do you mean the tC wasn't made out to be? At 16k this car is loaded compared to a corolla... the bigger engine allows it to be more acceptable to modding and other aftermarket stuff you can shove in it... (Which is Toyota's main goal and main money maker)... I'm surprised you even mentioned that for 3k more you can get a better starter car... For 3k you can get after market seats... And alot more... (Get a damn CAI to help with your engine-too-slow problems) [/quote]

hmm baised on this little sentence, the 1.5 is worthless to mod (tell that to the Xa and XB guys) the celica is worthless, as well as the lotus elise using the motor running 12's the MR2 spyder has no power to carve corners and so on. engine size doens't mean jack unless your into V8's. turbo your car all you want. most of the parts arent smog legal (i live in KALI) take your 2.4 modded and it will still get beat by a v6 camry. nuff said. and it weighs alot more.

im not angry at all though it does seem that way. you guys need to grow up and get past the fat jokes though. tell it to your fat boss making all the money. garuntee you get fired. yall are only ballsy online. ive met up with several Xa/Xb owners from the bay area in the past. they were all cool. hell even the creator of scion mag is fawkin cool as hell (we are planning on shooting with him next month) its you TC guys who need to grow up seriously. guys buying the cheaper cars are much more mature than you.

Excuse my ___ comment, but this topic has turned straight homosexual.

^^lol all depends on how you take it (okay that sounded wrong now that i think about it. but hey ill post it anyways)

Oh how i take it, wouldnt u like to know :lol: :wink:

TRD: you listen to lil wyte? i see you are from the bay area? 8)

^^lol all depends on how you take it (okay that sounded wrong now that i think about it. but hey ill post it anyways)

Excuse my ___ comment, but this topic has turned straight homosexual.

I'm bi, and that comment really offended me! :evil:

J/K, I couldn't care less, and this thread should be locked b/c it's long become a flamefest.

sounds familiar... yeah im from the bay area

my playlist right now

federation - hyphee (no release date on their CD :cry: )
federation - go dumb
federation - donkey
Keak da sneak - bring this bay sh*t back
Turf Talk ft. E40 - Slumper
Frontline - what iz it
E-A-Ski - Ride
Frontline ft E A Ski - uh huh
laroo ft keak & e40 - tykoonin
etc.

methinks ive heard it somehwere (im ecleptic) so hmm dunno.

Excuse my ___ comment, but this topic has turned straight homosexual.

I'm bi, and that comment really offended me! :evil:

J/K, I couldn't care less, and this thread should be locked b/c it's long become a flamefest.

well it has become a flamefest read comment: we all should be banned including me

dont make fun of ____ people now im disappointed in the araujo trial. they got a mistrial even though they strangled beat him/her to death. that was a friend of mine (NOT A GIRLFRIEND DUDES!!)

hmm baised on this little sentence, the 1.5 is worthless to mod (tell that to the Xa and XB guys) the celica is worthless, as well as the lotus elise using the motor running 12's the MR2 spyder has no power to carve corners and so on. engine size doens't mean jack unless your into V8's. turbo your car all you want. most of the parts arent smog legal (i live in KALI) take your 2.4 modded and it will still get beat by a v6 camry. nuff said. and it weighs alot more.

Where the hell did I say a 1.5 is worthless to mod?

You've got to be kidding me if you are trying to put words in my mouth...

The camry v6 weighs about 350 more pounds then the tC... Where the hell are you getting your info from? And with the Camry v6 starting at around 23k compared to the 16.5k of a tC... Well which would you choose? Slap a 2k factory S/C on there and you can say goodbye to all the V6 camry's you'll ever see...

Ahem... Nuff' Said.

^^ said the camry weighs more sorry for the confusion. it would still smoke a supercharged L4.

also the camry engine is aluminum/aluminum. compared to my old iron/aluminum. my 2.2 camry is more acceptable to boost that your aluminum counterpart.

btw the 2az-fe is an interferience engine now as well as the 3mz-fe. dont understand it??? ill spell it out. breaking a belt (or chain) = bent valve trains damage pistons compared to my older design that was non interference. you said the larger engine would be more acceptable to mods. following that you said that the 1.8 would be smoked. NO ONE HAS MODDED the 2az-fe outside of Ttuning concepts up until recently (hello the 2az has been around for a while) the 1zz-fe/ge have been modded to well over 300whp. the older 3s-gte has made 700whp. yet the mr2 guys would rather use a camry v6 over their 3sgte. can you answer why??? if not i suggest that you think a bit more about what i know about the motors.

hmm baised on this little sentence, the 1.5 is worthless to mod (tell that to the Xa and XB guys) the celica is worthless, as well as the lotus elise using the motor running 12's the MR2 spyder has no power to carve corners and so on. engine size doens't mean jack unless your into V8's. turbo your car all you want. most of the parts arent smog legal (i live in KALI) take your 2.4 modded and it will still get beat by a v6 camry. nuff said. and it weighs alot more.

Where the hell did I say a 1.5 is worthless to mod?

You've got to be kidding me if you are trying to put words in my mouth...

The camry v6 weighs about 350 more pounds then the tC... Where the hell are you getting your info from? And with the Camry v6 starting at around 23k compared to the 16.5k of a tC... Well which would you choose? Slap a 2k factory S/C on there and you can say goodbye to all the V6 camry's you'll ever see...

Ahem... Nuff' Said.

nuff said, hmm the camry v6 (new ones) use the 3mz-fe shared in multipul cars. 225hp is the rating for the camry, though they are rumored for 06 to have 240hp. it may weigh more, but it still runs a quick 1/4. not to mention the TC supercharger is 3000 plus installation making it ohh about 4k. add that to your price 20k car now isint it. ohh wait you forgot your destination of 500 so 20.5k the 2az hasnt been proved boost friendly YET yet the camry v6 has been. TRD supercharger has been available since 2000.

camry>TC in 1/4
corners TC>camry

^^ said the camry weighs more sorry for the confusion. it would still smoke a supercharged L4.

also the camry engine is aluminum/aluminum. compared to my old iron/aluminum. my 2.2 camry is more acceptable to boost that your aluminum counterpart.

btw the 2az-fe is an interferience engine now as well as the 3mz-fe. dont understand it??? ill spell it out. breaking a belt (or chain) = bent valve trains damage pistons compared to my older design that was non interference. you said the larger engine would be more acceptable to mods. following that you said that the 1.8 would be smoked. NO ONE HAS MODDED the 2az-fe outside of Ttuning concepts up until recently (hello the 2az has been around for a while) the 1zz-fe/ge have been modded to well over 300whp. the older 3s-gte has made 700whp. yet the mr2 guys would rather use a camry v6 over their 3sgte. can you answer why??? if not i suggest that you think a bit more about what i know about the motors.

I never said the 1.8 would be smoked... I have high respect for the 1zz and 2zz engines in Celicas... Never did I ever say that it could be smoked (Not that it can't be done)

I don't know why you obsess with camry v6 engines... If you didn't know the modding community (Generally Teens) don't really go around racing people in Camrys... But your right... Bent valves and blah blah blah is all standard when you get an engine... Celica engines get bent valves all the time STOCK... But since the 2.4 is a huge displacement that means most of your power doesn't need to come at high revs... Thus reducing the chance of bending crap in the engine (Valves, rods, etc.)

I don't know why you bother with comparing possible horsepower peaks with engines... We all know that with the right money... Any engine can produce massive amounts of horsepower... As for those MR2 'guys'... I have no clue who you are talking about... But I have seen many MR2 guys very happy with their 2zz and 3s-gte engines... Any more power then 300hp+ on a sedan is beyond useless and dangerous...

tC has already been proved that it is highly acceptable to boost...

Low compression... Factory S/C... What the hell are you going to compare it to?

With the S/C we've been hearing at least 200hp... Now that would mean around 200+ tq hopefully (most likely)...

The 225hp rating only applies to the SE... Which is 1k more expensive then the cheapest v6... Great more price comparisons... Other then the SE the rest are 210...

Do you honestly think a 225hp rating + 3500 pounds is really going to beat 200hp + 2900 pounds?

Btw since we're debating do you mind telling me the compression for a v6 on a camry? ;p

Edit - And also... The TRD S/C for the 2.4L engine was not availible publicly... It isn't even availible now... (People say Oct.)

tC should have some good support in the future for those that like to go fast. Scion participates in SEMA's tech transfer program and with the popularity of this car, i'm sure tuners will be jumping all over it. i wouldn't be surprised if Greddy came out with a CARB legal turbo kit with intercooler within the next couple of years.

but see this is the problem

camry v6 10.5:1
3mz-fe 10.8:1
2az-fe 9.6:1 anything else.

the first two are not too boost friendly. 1mz gets knock even at 4psi with cheap fuel.
the 2az still runs a fairly high compression. 8.5 would be better for boost (we found that out a LONG TIME AGO)

the SUPERCHARGER is not available yet. when it came out for the v6 270hp was what TRD claimed. did it make that??? go find out. they also claimed it can handle 10psi with a factory warranty. dont belive me check around toyotanation and teamsc3.com. TRD is full of ____ when they tell you these prices.

the MR2 guys from texas as you WILL see in a future SCC mag are using it because the 3s-gte is IRON the 1mz is ALUMINUM. or to comparitviely figure about 150lbs lighter. its also torquier. with the trdsupercharger and a custom turbo he is making 400+whp. engine = proven


i doubt that you will see 200WHP for the sc on the scion TC. if your lucky you will see that at the crank. crank figures dont mean jack my friend WHP is where the money is at. betcha its about 165/175whp auto/manual. dont belive me you will have to wait. TRD is notorious for overrating/overpricing. if you think they are going to give you the supercharger for 2k your dreaming. cheapest one they make is still over 2700. add the installation. only way to go is to go with a smaller pulley. oops your gonna need stronger pistons which no one makes for the 2az. custom work from there.

now back to the real arugment. :lol: :lol:


maybe it was a slight bar (well imma give it a better example a LUMP right at the front/rear padding of the rear seat.) could it be just the dealer models.

i consulted my wife again. and after both laughin our asses off about this thread, we are going to see if the TC suites her. if she likes it we will get it and interior will be gutted with some new stuff in mind. i also neglected to mention that it was 90+ degrees out with a sunroof open. could have been part of the stickyness/factor. another reason for testing out the back seats (out of the sun)

they could have put in a two peice SOLID slider for the panoramic roof cover they did on eclipses and it works fine and would have fit as well.

No room because the current one I believe rolls up...

But still

Do you honestly think a 225hp rating + 3500 pounds is really going to beat 200hp + 2900 pounds?


Both @ Crank

i wasnt too impressed either... the tC, imo, looked better in the pictures than it did in person... so i decided to go with the box.

I kinda have to agree about the styling issue. . . saw one today at Hanlees Scion of Davis(15 minutes from Sac) it's an auto and its for sale! At least that's what the dealer told me.

Anyway if the seat is such a big deal, why spend $3k more for a different car, when you could spend $20 of foam and tuck it under the cushious. . . wouldn't be hard at all. Just a thought.

hey djimpak-

what kind of a buying mood were you in? just curious, because the tC and the xB are totally different cars (assuming you meant the xB by "box"). i woulda thought that if you wanted something else, you'd look into one of the competitor models like a mazda3 or a civic instead of just picking another Scion :?:

There are too many internet gangsters posting here. :wink: People with weight issues and people that are just bored. :? moderators should have locked this along time ago.

Yo _____ WhAts Up IlL SliCe YoU cUZZ!!! :lol: :lol:

There are too many internet gangsters posting here. :wink: People with weight issues and people that are just bored. :? moderators should have locked this along time ago.

hey djimpak-

what kind of a buying mood were you in? just curious, because the tC and the xB are totally different cars (assuming you meant the xB by "box"). i woulda thought that if you wanted something else, you'd look into one of the competitor models like a mazda3 or a civic instead of just picking another Scion :?:

i've always wanted the xB. so that was my second choice if i didnt like the tC.