this doesn't make a lot of sense, but bear with me, and i'll post a picture later.

the original story has been taken so that no one will get in trouble. a picture is posted below.

That is weird.. Doc might knwo when he returns.

Do you have any pics?? Do you still have the lava on the lot? Where are you located in OK?? If you still have it on the lot I want to drive up there and check it out.

-Z

Well, there is another person here that received their RS1.0 without the badge on the car. I believe he got it in the mail later, but didn't put it on. He received a normal badge that was meant for his xB though.

Another member here received their RS1.0 with the badge placed upside down.

Strange. :?

2106A? that is weird.
doc! we need your help!?
and i want some pics!

ok i have a picture, sorry about the quality, we've got umpteen million dollars worth of stuff here but no scanner so we took the picture with a phone

http://www.fowlerscionofnorman.com/images/Accessories/15339570690_235.jpg

and no the car isn't here. the customer took delivery of it and brought it up to kansas.

supposedly some badges were lost, but if thats the case why not replace with the original numbers? i'm sure the customer will be tickled (yes i said tickled damnit) to know he got an even more rare rare car.

Now that's funny :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:shock: WTF?

wtf? hmm...maybe making more rs 1.0's???? Thats weird.

larva owners got suckered??? :shock:


just kidden!

making more than 2100? dang we already have lava everywhere

All those Celebs wanted a Lava but ran out :lol:

:shock: 2106A? Does the "A" stand for "Alpha"??? Then comes 2200B for "Beta"??? When will it end? :?:

there must be a real good reason, lost badges do not make sense....I hope someone that truely knows fills us in, but in the mean time I will leave it at.............


WTF

I would be willing to bet that DOC doesnt even know the answer to this one. Some one should bring this to Jim Farleys attention and have him ask his people. Anyone out there have close ties to Jim?

Now that is a First :shock:

If they keep this up it only opens toyota up to a law suit.

i think a lawsuit is in order...........toyota better do some explaining?

http://www.fowlerscionofnorman.com/images/Accessories/15339570690_235.jpg

:shock: :? :(

whoa...wtf

2106A? "A" probably means "AFTER". So if there is 2106A , it probably means that this badge is for the 6th LAVA made after the 2100th lava ..... :roll: :lol: :lol:

ok ok ok........ mayb for lost badges...... since they dont want people to say they have the same number (if someone stole the badge) mayb this lava was suppose to be #6 and 2106A is the 2 badge for #6. Did that make sense?

-ryan

(if im right... this will rock)

ok ok ok........ mayb for lost badges...... since they dont want people to say they have the same number (if someone stole the badge) mayb this lava was suppose to be #6 and 2106A is the 2 badge for #6. Did that make sense?

-ryan

(if im right... this will rock)

Made sense to me Ryan.

I would like an explanation of what is happening here with that 2106A number, if a 2106 was issued and this is different, we are already over the stated 2100 / this is an open invitation for a huge law suit !

SCION NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE !!

I bought mine #1385 under the stated Limited Edition, not to be misled .....

Just another color to me.

very true indeed!
people that purchased the lava obviously paid MORE than
a regular scion xb, even though u get more features and a new color,
u're supposed to get originatliy or RARE-ness..
ntohign rare if they're gonna produce more hot lava's

We also received a rebadged vehicle. I am also waiting on a reply from Toyota about what happened.(I was hoping to have the explanation before this post came) I know that there were a few vehicles that came in without badges on them that were held up at the port in the GST region for over a month, but I do not know how many and for what reasons.

As far as us paying more for the Lava(I do own one as well) I dont think that is accurate. If anything we payed less by getting this package. Included equipment is equal to well over $1500 for $980 price. Nonetheless, like everyone else, I would like an answer so that, at the least, to have the right info for the person that buys the one that we have available at our dealership.

I will let everyone know as soon as I can if or when I find anything out.

THE CODE FOR THE MANUAL XB IS 6201A- THAT IS THE MODEL CODE.
FOR SOME REASON THEY MADE A TYPO IN JAPAN.
RELAX PEOPLE :roll:
It is not a great conspiracy or something.

THE CODE FOR THE MANUAL XB IS 6201A- THAT IS THE MODEL CODE.

so where did 2106A come from. to get three out of five charaters in the wrong order is not a typo...

i want to hear why badge 2106A is out there.
scion should have had there own data base of the numbers and vins. that way they could have fixed the problem the right way. re-issue the correct badge number....
i wonder how many other new numbers are out there...

2106a is not a model code.....your numbers are mixed up..

people it's not that big of a deal. i'm sure scion has their reason for giving it the strange badge number. it'll stand for something, just like 2JZGT-E stands for something too.

most likely a couple badges were misplaced and they were not sure which ones, hence the numbers over 2100, or else there might be 2 #1156's out there ya know? when we first found out why our car was delayed it was because some badges were apparently lost.

and it's a pretty good guess the A is for after production of the first set up badges. with as big of a company as Toyota i'm sure it could be easy to misplace a couple badges. it is however HIGHLY UNLIKELY that Toyota made too many cars. we are talking about the people that redesigned the jesus handle in the car to save money.

In a way it is big deal... If they lost a badge it should be replaced with the same number. Why make or even allow controversy?

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree with what that one guy said in that one post.

The model was a manual xB. Toyota's build code is 6201A
A japanese worker stamped the badge.
The number on that tag was 2106A.
The worker did not put in the number of production , instead they read the build code number. As characters in japanese are not laid out the same as english it stands to reason that it was a typo.

CAN ANYONE FIND AND TAKE A PICTURE OF ANOTHER WITH 2107A or 2108A of 2000 ? I don't think so.
Lets move on. There is no way all those numbers would randomly appear on tag for a Hot Lava. 6201A vs. 2106A it is to close to assume anything else.

Has anybody contacted the SCION CORP bout dis?

I tried a littlebit of investigation and it seems that no one from the SCION CORP know about this either.

Please wait for a Scion Customer Advocate to respond. You are number 1 in queue.
You are now chatting with Moe
Moe: Hi S3X how may I assist you?
S3X: Hi moe... i'd like to know if you are aware of the LAVA 2106A release ?
S3X: Why is there a LAVA BADGE made that is more than the 2100 series?
Moe: Sorry we are not aware of this.
S3X: okay.. here is the topic that we are all baffled.. http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17345
S3X: please check the link on the SCIONLIFE FORUM
Moe: Sure hold please
S3X: thanks
Moe: I'm reading through it and i'm a little confused.
S3X: yah.. its really confusing
Moe: The Lava Red color was a special edition and there were only 2100 made
S3X: are you from the scion corp?
S3X: maybe that needs to be directed to them
Moe: yes
Moe: We are unaware of the meaning of LAVA 2106A
S3X: yes.. but how come, one of the dealers got the badge that says 2106A..what does the 2106A mean?
Moe: I believe it is the model number
Moe: each lava red vehicle has its own badging
S3X: ok.. can you probably check on this further and possibly post an answer to that forum.. we are confused as so does the rest of the LAVA owners
Moe: I'll see what I can do. But the people here don't know what that is.
S3X: okay.. thanks... that's all i want to know.
S3X: thanks for your help

maybe they had to replace a few lemons or buy-backs....lol! :lol:

THE REASON WHY THERE ARE MORE BADGES IS JUST IN CASE YOURS GETS STOLEN. IF YOU GO AND GET ANOTHER BADGE THEY WONT KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY HAD THAT NUMBER OR NOT SO THEY GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT NUMBER. SOMEONE CAN JUST GO AND GET THERE XB PAINTED TO THE HOT LAVA COLOR AND SAY THAT THEY LOST THERE BADGE AND TRY AND GET A BADGE PUT ONTO THE VEHICLE. LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO PUT BADGE #0001. AND IF YOU NOTICE IN THE PICTURE, THAT BADGE IS IN A BAG AND NOT ON A CAR. CHILL OUT EVERYONE. THERE WERE ONLY 2100 MADE. SO EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND STOP GOING BALISTIC OVER NOTHING. ENJOY THE CARS YOU HAVE AND GO HAVE SOME FUN. I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE ALWAYS ON HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS OR THAT. GO LIVE YOUR LIFE AND HAVE SOME FUN DOING IT. HOLLA BACK YALL.

DAVID

THE REASON WHY THERE ARE MORE BADGES IS JUST IN CASE YOURS GETS STOLEN. IF YOU GO AND GET ANOTHER BADGE THEY WONT KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY HAD THAT NUMBER OR NOT SO THEY GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT NUMBER. SOMEONE CAN JUST GO AND GET THERE XB PAINTED TO THE HOT LAVA COLOR AND SAY THAT THEY LOST THERE BADGE AND TRY AND GET A BADGE PUT ONTO THE VEHICLE. LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO PUT BADGE #0001. AND IF YOU NOTICE IN THE PICTURE, THAT BADGE IS IN A BAG AND NOT ON A CAR. CHILL OUT EVERYONE. THERE WERE ONLY 2100 MADE. SO EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND STOP GOING BALISTIC OVER NOTHING. ENJOY THE CARS YOU HAVE AND GO HAVE SOME FUN. I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE ALWAYS ON HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS OR THAT. GO LIVE YOUR LIFE AND HAVE SOME FUN DOING IT. HOLLA BACK YALL.

DAVID

The would make sense ... but if that was the case and the people at SCION would know this and should tell us this.
-Mike

YEAH BUT SOMETIMES THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

DAVID

Damn that is really limited when you have to stick on the limited edition badge yourself. Why do they not come affixed with bolts or something. Just a sticker and just another color.

:evil:

It was not a TYPO by a Japanese Dyslexic Assembly worker. Who ever could think this is....well....NM. I do have another rebadged vehicle(2107A to be exact).

The explanation I have been given was that some of the badges were misplaced at a few of the distributorships around the country. 5 in the GST region. The badges were sent seperately and then affixed to the vehicles(thus the reason there is not correlation between VIN and the # on the vehicle).

These badges were made in order to make sure that there were not 2 vehicles with identical numbers on them. I do not agree with the idea of extended numbering, but that is apparently what Toyota/Scion decided to do. I guess it would have been harder to try and contact every owner of a RS1.0 to find out what number they had.

I assume that the RS2.0 will be badged at the factory after this.

Hindsight is 20/20

THERE WERE ONLY 2100 MADE. SO EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND STOP GOING BALISTIC OVER NOTHING.
DAVID

have you counted all 2100 to know that there really are only 2100???

the badge numbers should be linked to the vin#'s in a scion database somewhere.
to think that a car company that has been so reckless with a limited series really burns me up.

think how you would feel if you bought a 1 of a kind item, only to hear 'we made another so you no longer have a 1 of a kind'

also it stands to reason that there is 2101a, 2102a, 2103a, 2104a, 2105a. if we know about 2106a.
now, if they did 6 whats stopping them from making7 or 8 or 9.....

Did someone say I told you so?


2,100 in California!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: That's funny. That's why you buy a camo and don't worry about any of that. I see more lavas, bops, bcps, and whites on the road than anything. Since they started selling Scions around the house, I've never seen a camo.

Did someone say I told you so?


2,100 in California!!!


:shock: :D :D :D thats funny...

and xbbox.
i don't mind having a lava right now.
next year when every other soccer mom has a bop, bcp, tcm.(thanks to all the good reviews).. i be be gald they could not get a lava!

*unless of course there up to 55213A of 2100* under breath

:evil:

THERE WERE ONLY 2100 MADE. SO EVERYONE CALM DOWN AND STOP GOING BALISTIC OVER NOTHING.
DAVID

have you counted all 2100 to know that there really are only 2100???

the badge numbers should be linked to the vin#'s in a scion database somewhere.
to think that a car company that has been so reckless with a limited series really burns me up.

think how you would feel if you bought a 1 of a kind item, only to hear 'we made another so you no longer have a 1 of a kind'

also it stands to reason that there is 2101a, 2102a, 2103a, 2104a, 2105a. if we know about 2106a.
now, if they did 6 whats stopping them from making7 or 8 or 9.....

wow...someone needs to step away from the pipe a little bit...dude as you can see there are several completly logical explainations about how the 2106A badge has made it's way out there...give it up...it's not a big conspiracy...the high reason you see such a high number of lavas now is because when you look at the number of lavas as compared to the number of total scions on the road in your area I'm sure you will see a disproportionate number...give it a year and it will balance out...

~wC

can we just have a day where people enjoy their boxes?

Look Toyota knows what number goes with what car and a local dealer can tell you who bought the car by its body Identification number and it can be tracked through the whole life time of the car . So you see even with a mistake on the badge they know the badge number without the badge. So they do have a explanation and they may not want to admit the reason. So yes they knew and yes it is a big deal. We paid for a special edition and that alone gives us the right to be upset and yes Toyota owes us an explanation . So they dont have a way out. They just need to come clean and it just may be a mistake which means it does have a legal number . If not they owe us for their deception alone.

Look Toyota knows what number goes with what car and a local dealer can tell you who bought the car by its body Identification number and it can be tracked through the whole life time of the car . So you see even with a mistake on the badge they know the badge number without the badge. So they do have a explanation and they may not want to admit the reason. So yes they knew and yes it is a big deal. We paid for a special edition and that alone gives us the right to be upset and yes Toyota owes us an explanation . So they dont have a way out. They just need to come clean and it just may be a mistake which means it does have a legal number . If not they owe us for their deception alone.


actually if you do your research...you will find that the plaques were just shipped in a box and then added at the port in no particular order...

~wC

Yes they were and they were issued and recorded at port by the body identifaction number and will be easy to track once all the badges are issued. So they do know what happened Since all the badges were issued. All we ask for is a explanation and the proper badge be issued to keep our cars worth something years from now. And if any of you that reply doesn't have a hot Lava your opinion doesn't count here . Since it would be for all the wrong reasons.

Yes they were and they were issued and recorded at port by the body identifaction number and will be easy to track once all the badges are issued. So they do know what happened Since all the badges were issued. All we ask for is a explanation and the proper badge be issued to keep our cars worth something years from now. And if any of you that reply doesn't have a hot Lava your opinion doesn't count here . Since it would be for all the wrong reasons.

no they didn't record any of that information...it wasn't that scientific of a process...it was just a guy walking from car to car putting the badge on there in no particular order...

~wC

wow this is getting ridiculous. the explanation has already been offered by myself and another dealer. badges were lost at the ports. that's it. there are at least 5 different toyota regions and none of them have anything to do with each other so NO one would know which ones were lost. 5 gone in GST, a couple more at some other ports. since the numbers were completely random there really isn't an easy way to tell what went where. so AGAIN, the easiest solution was to add a couple numbers and tag an A to it to signify. they had to order these from the people that made them and neither GST nor the manufacturer had any way of telling what was lost.

the GST region distributes vehicles for 5 states, do you really think they wrote down the part numbers for maybe 300 cars that come in. might as well start recording serial numbers for the PIONEER cd players, or maybe the strut bars, or the lights, etc...they were just parts tacked on. YOU ARE NOT DRIVING A CORVETTE. every single part of every single car was not all put on at the same place. believe it or not anything that wasn't standard on the car FROM THE FACTORY was installed at the port IE ALL THE STUFF THE LAVA COMES WITH (except for the paint).

please take this post and the posts by bdscion seriously, as dealers we are trying to offer legitimate explanations for whats happened.

^^^^^ i bet you sale alot of cars. you seem to be a smooth talker but the fact of the matter is that as a scion owner i can receive these ____ty ___ letters from scion every two weeks telling me some dumb ___ bull____ promotion garbage. so i believe they could at least inform the lava owners or all scion owners that there has been a mix up and they are gonna extend the numbers found on the rs1 badges. don't leave it for someone to find out about in a public forum. a lot of people could probably care less about the numbering of their lava but for some it is an important factor. just send owners something from corporate stating that there has been a mix up and what is being done about it and that would probably put peoples minds at ease. thats just what i think about this bull____.

so what toyota suddenly forgets about vin numbers? im sure it wouldnt be hard for them to lookup the vin and see exactly which lava it is....

^^^^^ i bet you sale alot of cars. you seem to be a smooth talker but the fact of the matter is that as a scion owner i can receive these ____ty ___ letters from scion every two weeks telling me some dumb ___ bull____ promotion garbage. so i believe they could at least inform the lava owners or all scion owners that there has been a mix up and they are gonna extend the numbers found on the rs1 badges. don't leave it for someone to find out about in a public forum. a lot of people could probably care less about the numbering of their lava but for some it is an important factor. just send owners something from corporate stating that there has been a mix up and what is being done about it and that would probably put peoples minds at ease. thats just what i think about this bull____.

OMG stop the attack...there has been an explaination...this is serriously not a big deal...

~wC

Just a sticker and just another color.Yup, unbunch your panties people: the hot lava is not that fscking special.

Just a sticker and just another color.Yup, unbunch your panties people: the hot lava is not that fscking special.

wow this is getting ridiculous. the explanation has already been offered by myself and another dealer. badges were lost at the ports. that's it. there are at least 5 different toyota regions and none of them have anything to do with each other so NO one would know which ones were lost. 5 gone in GST, a couple more at some other ports. since the numbers were completely random there really isn't an easy way to tell what went where. so AGAIN, the easiest solution was to add a couple numbers and tag an A to it to signify. they had to order these from the people that made them and neither GST nor the manufacturer had any way of telling what was lost.

the GST region distributes vehicles for 5 states, do you really think they wrote down the part numbers for maybe 300 cars that come in. might as well start recording serial numbers for the PIONEER cd players, or maybe the strut bars, or the lights, etc...they were just parts tacked on. YOU ARE NOT DRIVING A CORVETTE. every single part of every single car was not all put on at the same place. believe it or not anything that wasn't standard on the car FROM THE FACTORY was installed at the port IE ALL THE STUFF THE LAVA COMES WITH (except for the paint).

please take this post and the posts by bdscion seriously, as dealers we are trying to offer legitimate explanations for whats happened.

If the badges were lost at port, would you not think that SCION would have a record of what numbers were shipped that are lost and then just reissue the same lot of numbers ???? Freakin Bull____, your like a politician !

Yes they were and they were issued and recorded at port by the body identifaction number and will be easy to track once all the badges are issued. So they do know what happened Since all the badges were issued. All we ask for is a explanation and the proper badge be issued to keep our cars worth something years from now. And if any of you that reply doesn't have a hot Lava your opinion doesn't count here . Since it would be for all the wrong reasons.

no they didn't record any of that information...it wasn't that scientific of a process...it was just a guy walking from car to car putting the badge on there in no particular order...

~wC

So what you're saying is #0001 of 2100 has a possibility of not really being that number? That's messed up.

^^^^^ i bet you sale alot of cars. you seem to be a smooth talker but the fact of the matter is that as a scion owner i can receive these ____ty ___ letters from scion every two weeks telling me some dumb ___ bull____ promotion garbage. so i believe they could at least inform the lava owners or all scion owners that there has been a mix up and they are gonna extend the numbers found on the rs1 badges. don't leave it for someone to find out about in a public forum. a lot of people could probably care less about the numbering of their lava but for some it is an important factor. just send owners something from corporate stating that there has been a mix up and what is being done about it and that would probably put peoples minds at ease. thats just what i think about this bull____.

OMG stop the attack...there has been an explaination...this is serriously not a big deal...

~wC

THIS IS AN ISSUE, CONSIDERING THAT THEY ADVERTISED ONLY 2100 CARS OF THIS NATURE WILL BE PRODUCED, GRANTED THE EXTRA GRAND IS NOTHING .... CONSIDERING WHAT WE GOT, ITIS PRINCIPLE, PURE AND SIMPLE ....

I PAID FOR A VEHICLE OF LIMITED PRODUCTION, WHAT THEN WILL HAPPEN IF THE NUMBER EXCEEDS 2100 ? SOMEONE IS SITTING ON A POSSIBLE CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ?

:twisted:

This is getting funnier by the minute :lol: :lol: :lol:

Some people are not listening. They are not producing more than 2100 Hot Lavas, just the plaques that go in them. They went by each one at the port and threw a plaque in. They didn't actually put them on. They didn't stop and write down which VIN got which plaque. Once they found out some were missing they had to make some more for those people. Since they weren't sure which numbers were actually missing and which ones weren't they had to make new numbers so that they wouldn't have two # 204 of 2100s out there. It is pretty simple. Be glad you got to get a Hot Lava, some of us in certain areas didn't even get that luxury...

Will everyone just stop all of this madness. Your lives or not going to end. I am pretty sure there is a good explanation and there were only 2100 made. Toyota is not going to start something and not go through with it. Everyone just chill

Well said Erikcooper

Will everyone just stop all of this madness. Your lives or not going to end. I am pretty sure there is a good explanation and there were only 2100 made. Toyota is not going to start something and not go through with it. Everyone just chill
Obviously, You believe that Kennedy was killed by a lone assasin, there are no aliens at Area 51 and there were or were not WMD's in Iraq :wink:

yo seriously you are totally of the topic, but all I am saying is that its just a car. They are awsome cars and I love them, but people are getting out of hand with this and they aren't listening to anyone. We all have one life and we don't need to spend it wigging out about making more than 2100 Hot Lava's. WHICH THERE ARE ONLY 2100 HOT LAVA"S 8)

While I do not have a lava I do agree I would be equally ____ed about this,

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do andI hope someone gets thier ___ reamed for fscking up like that, while not a big issue to most probably I can't see how any dealer would be suprised.. and even though it makes Toy/Scion look like idiots they should stleast inform other lava owners of what happened and explain what they did to 'correct' the problem.

On a side note something as important as the # badge should be bolted to the car even before it ships IMHO, just carelessness from Toyota if you ask me.

Again another person is not listening, they are just EXTRA BADGES. They did not make extra cars. People these days do not like to listen to anything

The funny thing here is that I am on both sides of the story. I own a Hot Lava. I brought this to the attention of GST. I am not ____ed so much as perplexed about this. I would like an answer for my personal reasons and also so i can resell this 5speed HL that came in(Which is available BTW<----shameless plug) and honestly say why the badge reads what it does. If I was the customer and I saw the badge #2107A/2100 I would call B.S.

I feel that the explanation given to me from our Distributor is legitimate. Does it look fishy, YES. Nothing can be done about it now but an explanation, which has been given. By the sounds of it, even if the explanation were offered by corporate, some of the people here wouldn't believe it.

And to the guy typing in font like this please stop![/b]

excuse me but I did that once and I have not done it since. I can see if it was does for every single one of my messages. Thanks. But you also have a good point about the badges.

So the one you have in has that badge # ?????

Some people are not listening. They are not producing more than 2100 Hot Lavas, just the plaques that go in them. They went by each one at the port and threw a plaque in. They didn't actually put them on. They didn't stop and write down which VIN got which plaque. Once they found out some were missing they had to make some more for those people. Since they weren't sure which numbers were actually missing and which ones weren't they had to make new numbers so that they wouldn't have two # 204 of 2100s out there. It is pretty simple. Be glad you got to get a Hot Lava, some of us in certain areas didn't even get that luxury...

Well stated !

Hey, I might be in the market to sell mine , it is still in my garage under cover, have only 220 miles on it ...... Check my profile, the pics do not show the unique hand painted pinstripping ..... I might sell for what I paid for it .....

first off i was not trying to attack anyone i was only trying to offer my opinion. secondly i think if the badges were lost etc. than corp. needs to come out with a statement publicly that says what they are doing about the situation. say i have
rs1 #2106A and try to sale it as a limited edition car of 2100. i need some kinda explanation in writing etc. to give to the buyer or for my records. i don't need to rely on some dealer salesperson. as for dealers not knowing what lava is with what #. i have a hard time beliving this when up to 3wks b/f dealers got the lava they knew what the vin# and edition # the car was. Just a bunch of bull____ thats all. i won't be losing any sleep over it, so oh well

Just a sticker and just another color.Yup, unbunch your panties people: the hot lava is not that fscking special.


woah the lava is pretty special...just not as special as the people on this board are making it out to be...it was special in the sense that it was a great deal to those that jumped on it...they basically gave us 1500 worth of accessories and a special color for only 980 more...so even though I wasn't crazy about the color(don't get me wrong I would do it again) I got it for the deal...

~wC

here is a thread on this site about a guy that got his lava without a badge.
he says they used his vin number to get him a new badge.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12921&highlight=
(its at the bottom)

jdavid wrote

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sweet, got a replacement badge from a Scion big wig, I'm # 1883. yes, he used my VIN to find out what # to send me.
_________________

and it was not 2101a or some other bull.


scion has let me down.

here is a thread on this site about a guy that got his lava without a badge.
he says they used his vin number to get him a new badge.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12921&highlight=
(its at the bottom)

jdavid wrote

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sweet, got a replacement badge from a Scion big wig, I'm # 1883. yes, he used my VIN to find out what # to send me.
_________________

and it was not 2101a or some other bull.


scion has let me down.

That would make more sense, otherwise I could print up my own badge and affix it to my car #0001/2100 and no one could prove that I wasn't. :lol:

in regards to the other scenario there, unless his badge was lost in the same region it's apples and oranges. again there's like 8 or so regions that have nothing to do with each other and their ports are going to be operated differently. besides, if the badges in houston were lost before they were attached to a VIN number then you couldn't look it up that way.

like i said earlier...its not hard for them to look up the number by vin....sounds like toyota has got issues....either that or toyota is so stupid they dont bother to keep track of vin's....whoever has lava#1 should tell us his vin and whoever has lava#2 should tell us their vin...they are supposed to go in order....you get the idea


here is a thread on this site about a guy that got his lava without a badge.
he says they used his vin number to get him a new badge.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12921&highlight=
(its at the bottom)

jdavid wrote

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sweet, got a replacement badge from a Scion big wig, I'm # 1883. yes, he used my VIN to find out what # to send me.
_________________

and it was not 2101a or some other bull.


scion has let me down.

first off i was not trying to attack anyone i was only trying to offer my opinion. secondly i think if the badges were lost etc. than corp. needs to come out with a statement publicly that says what they are doing about the situation. say i have
rs1 #2106A and try to sale it as a limited edition car of 2100. i need some kinda explanation in writing etc. to give to the buyer or for my records. i don't need to rely on some dealer salesperson. as for dealers not knowing what lava is with what #. i have a hard time beliving this when up to 3wks b/f dealers got the lava they knew what the vin# and edition # the car was. Just a bunch of bull____ thats all. i won't be losing any sleep over it, so oh well

Nice Statement NC ....... :wink:

I don't ever remember Scion ever stating that the number's were going to be in the order that they were made. Yes, it would have made sense to do it that way, but hindsight is 20/20. I don't believe that Scion ever could have immagined that some badges were going to be lost. I am a dealer and I can not tell what the numbers were on the badges of the RS 1.0's that were sold here were. I think the important thing to remember is that Scion did NOT issue any more than 2100 RS 1.0's.

The only explaination for the badge 2106A is....

YOU GOT PUNKED!


I think Toyota is not stupid enough to cheat on 2100 hot lava owners for release more than 2100 hot lavas than they suppose to

Replacement badge should be the same number according to the VIN number...
It is stupid if you have #0001 and lost your badge ended up getting a #2106A...

Only thing I can think of is that those badges are for people who does not have the hot lava but want to have a badge too...

You know about the Type-R but its not actual Type-R deal right?? :lol:

do you really think they wrote down the part numbers for maybe 300 cars that come in. might as well start recording serial numbers for the PIONEER cd players, or maybe the strut bars, or the lights, etc...they were just parts tacked on. YOU ARE NOT DRIVING A CORVETTE. every single part of every single car was not all put on at the same place. believe it or not anything that wasn't standard on the car FROM THE FACTORY was installed at the port IE ALL THE STUFF THE LAVA COMES WITH (except for the paint).

please take this post and the posts by bdscion seriously, as dealers we are trying to offer legitimate explanations for whats happened.

If Toyota wants any kind of real respect or credability they would do the professional thing and record everything on every Scion ever made, and any other Toyota made for that matter...Every serial number to evrything that requires a serial number should be tracked, hence the reason serial numbers are used to track stolen property...

I would sincerely hope they matched the badges to the correct vin numbers because if I was in fact driving number 0001 instead of my currently badged 0846 (for example) I think the person who got 0001 was hosed and could sue the crap out of the Scion/Toyota corp for being misled...

Also if these are re-issued badges for lost ones, they should be the same number as the originals, not some random higher number...

Comparing a Scion to a Corvette ltd edition is irrelevant...If I was driving a freaking Kia or cheap Yugo (whatever car) and it was a limited edition...All of the badging should be tracked and accounted for and match the vin numbers of their cars they are placed on...

Oh and jsut i case it hasn't been posted yet...Even if the 2106A really is a model number, then why would the model number be placed on the RS badging in the first place??? My automatic model number does not appear on my badge...

Unless this is some sort of late April Fool's joke and it's a photoshopped image, we are owed some answers...I bought my Lava not only for the cool paint job, but for the fact that it is supposed to be a limited edition...That played a huge factor in my purchasing decision...
DAN

It is a limited edition, my god. They couldn't reissue the original numbers since they had no idea exactly which number it was missing...

I hope the people at scion get smart next time and reference the limited edition number with the vin like:

VIN#SXB0001345rs100

rs100 meaning its number 100

It is a limited edition, my god. They couldn't reissue the original numbers since they had no idea exactly which number it was missing...

See thats my gripe...Any "real" limited edition would be linked to a vin number, not just some random sticker placed somewhere on the car...

I just feel kinda cheated, like I might be driving a higher or possible lower number than I have indicated on my badge...

I apologize for getting a little heated in my last post, but really this is a pretty sad thing to hear about...Our badges basically mean nothing now...

The Lava's are limited editions still even without the badging, but it's not the same knowing your number might not be the real one...It's like..."Who has the 0001 Hot Lava???" " Who cares, it's the wrong badge anyway"...

Again I'm sorry for sounding off, but this info took some of the fun out of my box :(

DAN

It is a limited edition, my god. They couldn't reissue the original numbers since they had no idea exactly which number it was missing...

See thats my gripe...Any "real" limited edition would be linked to a vin number, not just some random sticker placed somewhere on the car...

I just feel kinda cheated, like I might be driving a higher or possible lower number than I have indicated on my badge...

I apologize for getting a little heated in my last post, but really this is a pretty sad thing to hear about...Our badges basically mean nothing now...

The Lava's are limited editions still even without the badging, but it's not the same knowing your number might not be the real one...It's like..."Who has the 0001 Hot Lava???" " Who cares, it's the wrong badge anyway"...

Again I'm sorry for sounding off, but this info took some of the fun out of my box :(

DAN

I feel the same way RED, screwed and misled ...... If that is the case, I hope SCION responds to this ...

in regards to the other scenario there, unless his badge was lost in the same region it's apples and oranges. again there's like 8 or so regions that have nothing to do with each other and their ports are going to be operated differently. besides, if the badges in houston were lost before they were attached to a VIN number then you couldn't look it up that way.

1. it is apples to apples(a lost badge is a lost badge)
2. if region #5's port lost 6 badges, they should have documentation on the other 600 or so that they did have. find the sequence gap and those are the missing badge numbers!
3. all ports for the cars have the same kind of operation.

it not that hard to get the vin# its a bar code on the door jam. affix the badge. enter the number into the system with the vin.

to the people that keep insisting there are only 2100, what proof do you have?
only scions word. (or did you go around and count them all)
now we have proof that scions word is not good enough, badge 2106A.

and to the people who apologize for getting mad, you have every right to be mad.

i do know that the lavas are not 'real' limited editions, the lava color is a normal option overseas. and our lavas were mixed into the normal prodution building process for the us market. only when the cars hit our shores did we declare them limited.
scion was to order 2100 lava cars and 2100 badges. its not that hard to have a cross referance table of vins and badges.
scion new the vins of the cars that were put onto the boats to bring them here. (that gives them model info color info) they also know what ports they will distribute to. they should be able to track the badge numbers too.

as for dealers not knowing what lava is with what #. i have a hard time beliving this when up to 3wks b/f dealers got the lava they knew what the vin# and edition # the car was. Just a bunch of bull____ thats all.

Bull____ or not, the dealers didnt know before delivery what number was what. No where in my VIN is the # 396, but sure enough my limited number is 396 out of 2100. I do agree with everyone that this is a HUDGE mistake on Scions part. I can not say for sure, but this cant be the first time Toyota has produced a limited edition car. And as typical of people with authority, they dont have any common sense. Common sense would tell you that you pay some one to stand at the end of the assembly line to place each plaque on the dash before it leave the line. Its really not that difficult, but apparently those with the powers that be didnt think. Hind sight is 20/20.

As far as any explanation, its unlikely we will ever find out the truth, esp if it was something as simple as not having the plaque installed before leaving the line. If you send numerous amounts of cars over seas to different ports, and then chase that order with numbered plaques, mistakes are going to happen.

HOPEFULLY SCION CORP IS LEARNING FROM THEIR MISTAKES. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL WITH THE RELEASE SERIES 1.0

Unless you have number 2100 I don't see the big grip. Everyone here is acting as if Toyota is still releasing more HL's after the fact, which they are not otherwise tons of people on this forum would be mentioning about their 2107A that they just got.

The gentleman from the dealer explained it, badges were lost and replaced. Sure it's crummy that the badges don't coincide with VINs, or so it appears. Everyone loosing their cool and saying that a huge lawsuit is deserved is acting rediculous, especially since nobody here has the time, knowledge or effort to sue such a corporation, and if you did, Toyota would win anyway.

This is a message forum to help others, so don't attack the messenger (The Scion Dealer) who put forth the effort to find this information to you so you have a better understanding of it. Just think, if the internet never made it's way to our homes you wouldn't have known that their were HL's rebadged and you would still think you have a rare limited edition model and nobody would have known different. Oh, and if you bought the HL for resale value then you made a mistake, as you never ever get what you paid for it new, regardless of a stick on badging number.

Folks, be happy that your state got the HL's, and tone it down some. Some of you younger folks need to learn some edicate and respect. Let the bashing begin, as I know some of you are now offended.

Oh, we here in Hawaii still don't even have a Scion dealership and won't be receiving any Scion's until July 4th. So again, be grateful for what you have and stop the maddness.

Thanks to all the rational people that took this for what is was. The post has turned into a giant game of telephone.

The corvette example was used to show that you won't get $60K service with a $15K purchase. That's not to say that they are not nice vehicles, but they are not going to be tracked like Ferrari's and we all should know this? Toyota has gone way out of its way to make this work including throwing in more standards and a cool paint job for less than it was worth on top of all the other money they are not making doing this. So forgive them but I think that a plaque attached the VIN is the one thing you can probably live without. We talk about them like it's one big thing but Toyota/Scion are still run by people and do make mistakes. As unfortunate as it might be (and its really not that big of a deal) they tried to correct it as best as they could without doing a Where in the world is carmen sandiego with all the plaques.

Thanks to all the rational people that took this for what is was. The post has turned into a giant game of telephone.

The corvette example was used to show that you won't get $60K service with a $15K purchase. That's not to say that they are not nice vehicles, but they are not going to be tracked like Ferrari's and we all should know this? Toyota has gone way out of its way to make this work including throwing in more standards and a cool paint job for less than it was worth on top of all the other money they are not making doing this. So forgive them but I think that a plaque attached the VIN is the one thing you can probably live without. We talk about them like it's one big thing but Toyota/Scion are still run by people and do make mistakes. As unfortunate as it might be (and its really not that big of a deal) they tried to correct it as best as they could without doing a Where in the world is carmen sandiego with all the plaques.

$60K service? I hardly think tracking a few Vin #'s is worth $60K, otherwise Docsnuff is severely underpaid to keep track of the HotLavaRegistry. BTW, thanks Doc!

2 reasons it just don't matter, 1st just be glad we have boxes in the first place 2nd the limited edition won't come into play for 20 sum years. how many will actually have the lavas that long. :roll: :?:

Here's an idea, why don't one of you hot lava owners rip off you badge, claim it was lost and see what happens.

blah blah blah

Limited Edition is Limited Edtion
Numbered xB is a Numbered xB
You cannot tell the public that you are only producing 2100 hot lavas and end up selling more.

Yes, people could live w/o the number, but a lot of buyers buy the hot lava and expect there to be only 2100 on the street. They are proud to be one of the 2100 regardless of what number they've got.

My uncle collect limited edition pen from montblanc and every number matters.
I collect model cars and my number counts, too.
I respect people who get the limited edition and for some of you who don't care the number, you probably don't even own a hot lava.

It is very un-professional to say who is willing to do a $60K service to track each of the 2100 hot lavas... it is a computerized world and all 2100 hot lavas can be tracked within hours.

People do make mistakes too, but Toyota/Scion cannot afford to make mistakes. They are reputable company and if something goes wrong they should jump out and clearify everything and do whatever they can to make these 2100 hot lava owners feel they've been treated right.

If there really are more than 2100 hot lavas on the street, I think Jim Farley need to apologize to the public and quit his job. That is how a organized Japanese company should do!

Another explaination I have to the badge... there suppose be more than 2100 hot lava produced. But only allowed to sell 2100 of them. Others are for demo, show, and display purpose. So that is why they have higher numer and with A at the end maybe?
Sometimes movie needs a car or for advertisement maybe, and they cannot take one from 2100 and trash it, so they produce more... That is what I think

What's up everyone!!!!!! Just putting in my experience. I received my Hot Lava on the 27th of last month (May) and it did not have the badge anywhere on the vehicle.. My dumbass didn't even realize it wasn't there until the next day because I was just so excited to have the box in the first place...

The day I picked up my Lava I had to go straight out of town for work from the dealership. At my hotel I searched the whole car over from top to bottom inside and out and the badge was nowhere to be found. My first thought was that since it took a month to get the car in that they had just taken another color xb and had it painted and all the accessories put on and that it was not a true Lava. I was so ____ed at first..

Then I called my dealer and let them in on what was going on and they could not give me an answere as to why the badge was missing.. I even went to another dealer in the town where I was working that week just to find out where the badge was supposed to be placed since I had no clue.. They showed me pics of the two that they had sold and one badge was placed in the dash area just above the cup that is above the glove box and the other had the badge placed on the outside of the flip door for the cd holder compartment. So obviously these were put on at port and not on the line..

My dealer contacted Scion Corp. and gave them my VIN# over the phone (I was in his office for the conversation) and explained to them that my badge was not put on at port and it was missing.. Three weeks later I got my badge (in a plastic bag just as the one in the prev. pic) and it is labeled #449 of 2100. So my question is if my badge was replaced with the original # and is not a second generation badge with this "A" on it then how can these other "A" badges be out there. Apparently they cannot have duplicate # badges if I was able to re-order my missing badge. So that means that the myth of these "A" badges are to replace missing original badges so that there are not duplicate # badges out there is total BS...

If anyone has any disagreements of this story or the S**T that I had to go through for my replacement badge just contact me through PM for my dealer info and the Sales Manager I dealt with to get the matter resolved...

Thanx for your time and patience for the long response.. Hope this helps...

L8R......

The reason some could be found by VIN and others not may have to do with the different ports...

Limited Edition...I'm going to laugh my ___ off if Toyota decides to make that an optional color in a few years. Then there will be tons of lavas and the other colors will become "limited." As for $1500 worth of accessories for $989 or whatever...you can purchase those accessories yourself for WAY less than that. I like the color, but some of the stuff they added I didn't want.

-Z

I just finished reading the four pages of posts on this issue. I don't own a HL, but I don't think that is a requirement to be able to post a reply since how any one Scion owner is treated by the manufacturer affects the rest of us.

Coming from a records management background where files can be lost and numbers repeated, I must say that Toyota/Scion's method of handling the "missing badges" leaves a lot to be desired.

By tacking on numbers to the end of the series, they fail to account for the numbers that are missing within the series. For every "A" series plate generated above 2100 there is one number in the series that was omitted and unaccounted for.

It is possible that some dock worker stole a few plaques at random. With the right connections, he could create "Hot Lava clones" with the missing plates and nobody would be the wiser thanks to T/S's illogical choice to use the "A" plate system. As ludicrous as this example might be, it shows what could happen if the missing numbers aren't determined

Am I led to believe that a company like Toyota couldn't afford to send out 2,100 letters, using the VIN color code, to dealers and owners asking for a reply as to what # HL they had in their possession?

If for no other reason letters should be sent to account for the missing numbers in order to determine what port was issued the numbers. Toyota should STILL issue such a mailing. How can they hold any one port or employee responsible if they don't even know what numbers are missing from the sequence?

I agree that the handling of the whole "special edition" process appears to be completely f*cked up and would expect more from a company with the reputation of Toyota. To not tie the VIN to the Special Edition plate number seems shortsighted. To think that some mope at a port was walking around slapping random badges in cars as he came upon them by chance reveals the "value" of this port-installed "limited edition" to not be worth the plaque it was printed on. Why did Toyota even bother with numbering them in the first place if the plaques were going to be applied at the port or dealer?

As for the salesman that said Scion owners shouldn't expect $60,000 service for a $15,000 car, I'm sure your zone rep would love to make you part of the sales training staff for the rest of the salesmen in your area!

1) A lawsuit is useless unless you can prove damages...

2) They said there would be 2100 of them, they didn't say they would all be made in a row. There's not one static line that makes every xB. They just all got painted around the same time, most likely, but when they were built is another story. It's like ordering food at a place with multiple registers. Your order number may be 76 but the person at the next register gets 25. Doesn't mean that their food will be cooked first.

#1 doesn't mean it was the first one painted orange, it was the first one to be assigned a badge #. The number you got is the number of your vehicle, it's not another number by mistake...

Look at the registry and filter for HL, you'll see the VINs jump from 158xxx to 165xxx or so...

3) If your badge was lost AFTER your car had reached the dealer and was matched with the VIN, sounds like they can replace it. If the HL shows up with no badge, there's no way of tying it to a specific number. poor planning on Toyota's part - damaging to the other owners - doubtful, IMO.

4) Heard in an alley:

Psst... Hey buddy, wanna by a nice Rolex, A "genuine" Gucci bag or this HL... Cheap! :roll: :?

again apparently everything is open to interpretation. just like telephone.

in an earlier post i mentioned buying a corvette. the analogy was not used because of how the customer gets treated. every customer gets treated the same, prince or pauper to be cliche. service from a dealership is different from service from the factory. apparently there is only so far toyota is willing to go to lose money. in my region they didn't log any VIN numbers, can't say why, but i'd guess money and time. oops, their bad. anyways sorry for the confusion, our explanation was offered to the best we could provide.

O.K. First................I OWN this car. I just recieved the plaque Fed Ex today. I am not too upset..yet. but the main question I have now is WHY if you knew ( I'll leave your name out) on the 21st of this month, as told by the first post, why am I now just finding out? Hmmm. As long as I get some documentation proving that the extra hassle and $ that was paid did indeed result in a limited numbered car (within the limited production) I will be satisified. Mistakes happen, especially in first years of a release. Perhaps the "A" series is a blessing in disguise. A limited release within a limited release so to speak. Time will tell. My only disappointment now is to find this explanation having been posted a full week before My notification. I will be patiently awaiting a reply.
J.R.

P.S. not tickled.

Something else to keep in mind. If everyone keeps an eye open for other HLs to show up in dealerships, then we definately know somethings up. My local dealers cant keep the xBs in stock, let lone start having the HLs show up agian. Now wouldnt that be a bite in the ___ if say around August some more HLs started showing up where there were none?

Who is to say that the guy who posted about 5 posts earlier, the one with the missing plaque, that Scion just didnt send him a spare plaque they had lying around? They may think ... " What are the chances that #496 would meet another HL with #496 in it?" If this is true ...... BIG MISTAKE.