a worthless piece of $#!+ missile that fell harmlessly into the sea. nevertheless, had iraq done that we'd be bombing them into the last century. imo, we let north korea get away with way too much :P happy fourth btw!
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What do you mean "let them get away wiith way too much" ... I don't think it's our job to tell them what they can do... If they fire a missile at us or someone else then it may be our business. If there is a problem with the testing the UN should be handling it not GW.

Breakin my balls here, Han.

What do you mean "we"
i don't mean we as americans, i mean we as world residents letting any entity test such weapons.
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had iraq done that we'd be bombing them into the last century.

i don't think u meant we as 'world'...?
who bombed iraq?

North Korea is taunting us and looking for a way for us to give them money. this is their way of doing it. You really need to look deeper than "we will bomb them". That won't happen. the situation is a little different.

they have actually tested 7 bombs, one of which they launched OVER japan into the sea.... th un asked them to stop after the first test, now 7? im not sure whats gona happen but it aint lookin good!

It's simple .. KOREA HAS NO OIL ... everyone will look away until they cause trouble ..

North Korea is taunting us and looking for a way for us to give them money. this is their way of doing it. You really need to look deeper than "we will bomb them". That won't happen. the situation is a little different.
thanks for the lesson in geopolitical swordplay. i'll try and look a little deeper. i wasn't addressing north korea's motivations, my original post was a tongue in cheek poke at our own. my point was about the disparity in our position with regard to these regional governments. our position has been that we are in iraq because of their alleged "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found, yet an obvious demonstration of potential aggression by north korea is met only with strong words of disdain. korea has no resources that we need or we'd be there in force, demonstrating our unhappiness with their nuclear weapons program.

btw, korea is not testing these weapons for american aid, they are testing them to demonstrate strength to regional governments ( japan, china), potential american aid is gravy. remember, china will be making big moves in the coming decades.

god i hope the america does not goto war with china next

North Korea is taunting us and looking for a way for us to give them money. this is their way of doing it. You really need to look deeper than "we will bomb them". That won't happen. the situation is a little different.
thanks for the lesson in geopolitical swordplay. i'll try and look a little deeper. i wasn't addressing north korea's motivations, my original post was a tongue in cheek poke at our own. my point was about the disparity in our position with regard to these regional governments. our position has been that we are in iraq because of their alleged "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found, yet an obvious demonstration of potential aggression by north korea is met only with strong words of disdain. korea has no resources that we need or we'd be there in force, demonstrating our unhappiness with their nuclear weapons program.

btw, korea is not testing these weapons for american aid, they are testing them to demonstrate strength to regional governments ( japan, china), potential american aid is gravy. remember, china will be making big moves in the coming decades.

not sure how to link the video here, but go to http://www.cnn.com/ and watch the video titled "uneasy north korea flexes muscle" ...sounds to me like kore is lookin for some u.s./u.n. money

god i hope the america does not goto war with china next

do you mean war with korea? why would war with china be a threat theyre our allies

.sounds to me like korea is lookin for some u.s./u.n. money
clearly, north korea's motivations for these tests include looking to enhance their aid package. but "the chief U.S. negotiator, Christopher Hill, warned the tests would not give North Korea a better bargaining position over its nuclear program."

"They're not going to get a better deal through this; in fact what they're going to face is a six-party (negotiating) process that's more united than ever before,"

imo, their primary motivation comes from a paranoid isolationistic view wherein they feel they have to demonstrate they can defend themselves in the face of a world perception that increasingly isolates them because of their aggression. the fact is they are shooting at elephants with a bb gun. asia (and the region) has had to deal with this government's blatant refusal to integrate. they will get no more money than they demonstrate they deserve.

"Jim Walsh, a national security analyst at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the tests "do not represent an immediate military threat to the United States."
"It's very difficult technology. They very clearly have not mastered it," he said. "Most estimates are they will not master it for another 10 years."

My mom was worried since I'm still within the Selective Service System (18-25). All the troops are out somewhere else or just gotten back. Too weary of any more battles. Also some national guards are positioned to aid Border Patrol.

http://www.sss.gov/

Oh well. Time to duck under the table :rofl: too bad that method doesn't protect during an attack.

I am weary of North Korea's blustering, posturing, bullying, and outright disregard for other countries. Perhaps the United States needs to "test fire" some ICBM with an empty warhead towards North Korea- just detonate it over the Pacific Ocean.


From Tony Snowjob:

The United States "will have no option but to take stronger physical actions of other forms, should any other country dare take issue with the exercises and put pressure upon it,"

"The latest successful missile launches were part of the routine military exercises staged by the United States of America to increase the nation's military capacity for self-defense," the spokesman said.

"The United States of America will go on with missile launch exercises as part of its efforts to bolster deterrent for self-defense in the future, too."

This is a serious problem on a few levels.

1) N.Korea has broken every non-proliferation treaty they ever signed.
2) N.Korea is clearly testing long range missles now.
3) N.Korea has zilch for resources, food, etc.
4) ICBMs can be sold for lots of $$$
5) Places like Syria and Iran have the $$$ to buy said missles, and a nuclear enrichment program developing to produce bomb-grade materials.

Do the math.

Even more importantly, Kim Jong-Il has been profiled as a narcacist w/no discernable concience(sp), and has proven himself to be a very irrational actor in the geopolitical ring. S.Korea's sunshine policy did't do squat to get them to play ball. Clint's constructive engagement policy did not help at all. GW's isolation policy? Nadda. Not to mention CHina and Russia who are and formerly were commie countries can't seem to get them to play ball.
Now lets say he goes ape and invades S.Korea - I predict a WWI-type of alliance cluster f'uk of a war. Just ugly. And this is all if he stays in power?

God forbid he die and the power structure he set up collapses. THen it becomes a free for all with every nut job in the upper military bracket scrambling for power. The whole country is just a terrible place to live, and a terrible place causing for now a small level of instability.

I just don't see this ever getting any better :|

thats why we are worried more about Iran that N. Korea. For sure, we need to release Japan from our hold and let them defend their country better. Japan is prolly under the biggest threat.

I think we should pull out of Iraq and concentrate our efforts on those who are actually threats to OUR country. That is why the U.S. Military was created in the first place, national defense, not defend some other country for oil.

isolation dosn't work for super powers.... we tried to stay out of WWII, that didnt work, if we didnt play an active roll in the spread of democracy it would be devistating in the future, and leaving a vacum of power is deff not a good idea-it would only begate more war

Who's talking about isolationism?

Breakin my balls here, Han.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: to funny i loved that movie

Who's talking about isolationism?

well not nec. isolation, but ignoring one problem for another, i think the iraq issue would be a huge problem in the futurre if we ignored it now

I've made rockets in Physics class out of 1 liter bottles, compressed air and water that have travelled further than those 7 missiles.

I've made rockets in Physics class out of 1 liter bottles, compressed air and water that have travelled further than those 7 missiles.
that was funny.

"There you go Hans Blix! There you go!"

I think we should show them how a real ICBM works :) J/K

I think we should show them how a real ICBM works :) J/K
i know you're kidding but they'd just toss one at our locations in s. korea. it would get ugly quick.

You're right! They would have to toss it because it wouldn't fly there. There really isn't anything that we can do until they pose a legitimate danger to our bases and our country.

Who's talking about isolationism?

well not nec. isolation, but ignoring one problem for another, i think the iraq issue would be a huge problem in the futurre if we ignored it now

Yeah, but N. Korea is a problem NOW. They actually HAVE the means to deal a devastating blow to America and its interests (i.e. South Korea). The only reason we're not doing any "preemptive" strikes against North Korea is they have China and Russia backing them. If we pulled something there like we did in Iraq, this could get REALLY ugly REAL quick!

It takes so long for the missles to get over by us, we'd detect em and shoot em down before they even got near the shore.

Whoa!!

Who's talking about isolationism?

well not nec. isolation, but ignoring one problem for another, i think the iraq issue would be a huge problem in the futurre if we ignored it now

Yeah, but N. Korea is a problem NOW. They actually HAVE the means to deal a devastating blow to America and its interests (i.e. South Korea). The only reason we're not doing any "preemptive" strikes against North Korea is they have China and Russia backing them. If we pulled something there like we did in Iraq, this could get REALLY ugly REAL quick!

i thought china wasnt backing them...crazy
also some guy on cnn said that we dont think they have the tech. to actually get a missle here to the u.s. but like the last guy said we do have bases in korea. and im not disagrein with ya on them being a threat, i def think we should take some action (well not jus us but the u.n.) what im sayin is that i dont think we should pull out of iraq jus because they might not pose a threat now. if we let them continue on by themselves now, i think it would be a big problem in the future. btw- that guy we killed zaqawi (sp) he had the personal phone numbers of some of the newly implamented senior iraq govt. officials in his cell. so the govt. we're helping them set up is still in communications with terrorist leaders! yea...they're deff not ready for us to pull out

It takes so long for the missles to get over by us, we'd detect em and shoot em down before they even got near the shore.

Shoot them down with what? Our Missile Defense System hasn't successfully shot a missile down since 2002.

neigh i say.... we have succesfully tested our missile defense program this year in fact... ive been searching for the last 20 min for an article to show you, soon as i find a good one ill post a link

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/06/times-misfires/


Today the Washington Times posted a UPI story with the following headline:

The article continues: “The U.S. missile defense system was tested this week with North Korea’s launch of seven missiles, and performed as it should, Pentagon sources said.”

A reader might think the U.S. has an operational missile defense system capable of shooting down long-range missiles. Of course, it doesn’t. So what part of the missile system was “tested and passed”?

The U.S. Northern Command said in a statement that all seven missiles were detected and tracked “immediately” after launch Tuesday and Wednesday.

“While Ground-based Midcourse Defense System interceptors at Fort Greely, Alaska, and Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif., were operational during the flight, top officials from the command were able to determine quickly that the launch posed no threat to the United States or its territories,” the statement said.

The purpose of a missile defense system isn’t just to track missiles, it’s to intercept and destroy them. The Ground-based Midcourse Defense (GMD) system has gone through testing to see if it can do so, but it has failed consistently.

In fact, the system “hasn’t successfully intercepted a missile since October of 2002. … And the last two times it tried to hit an oncoming missile, the interceptor didn’t even leave the ground.”

“A little-noticed study by the Government Accountability Office issued in March found that program officials were so concerned with potential flaws in the first nine interceptors now in operation that they considered taking them out of their silos and returning them to their manufacturer for ‘disassembly and remanufacture.’“

i stand corrected, i found the article i read and it pretty much says the same thing, only a lil more misleading makein me think they sucesfully tested the system earlier this year. still i feel our tech. is far more advanced than that of korea, i dont believe they possess the capobility to reach continetal u.s. shores.... i hope!

*edit!!!*

i knew i had read that we had a succesfull test fire this year!!

"The latest test of the U.S. missile defense program is the seventh time in eight attempts the military has successfully shot down a target with a ship-based interceptor, the Pentagon said" --- from this link--> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/23/navy.ustest/index.html

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/US/06/23/navy.ustest/story.us.missile.defense.ap.jpg