i have an auto 06 stock tc, no matter how much i try, every person i race off the line beats me, sometimes people arent even trying to race and me pushing my car as hard as i can (without hurting it) wont even beat them, ive raced grand prixs, crassfires, and alot of other cars, never can i win, my queston is what of cars can we beat, if this has already been posted, sorry but i couldnt find anything

..... try racing an 18 wheeler....

No offense man, but our cars weren't exactly meant to race with, especially an auto. Get a faster car or turbo your current car if you want to make it faster. The lack of an LSD or traction control for that matter make them awful off the line if you give it too much gas. As for what cars we can beat, that's a tough question to answer...

your uncle's pinto?

start with your basic civic dx

All tC's should know they can beat xB's and xA's.

Scion= Slow in Japanese...........

how is it possible that you cannot beat anyone.. while i have the same ride and have tooken many cars off the line..?

i have tooken a Civic Si off the line, ya the 06's.. it shouldnt be a problem..

maybe you suck at driving :nails:

pretty hard to suck at driving with an AT...

All tC's should know they can beat xB's and xA's.

Scion= Slow in Japanese...........

Not all xB's. :lalala: :lalala:

hmm.. or you could just stop trying to race and beat people...

All tC's should know they can beat xB's and xA's.

Scion= Slow in Japanese...........

Not all xB's. :lalala: :lalala:

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

My apologies to Turbo'd xB's............

pretty hard to suck at driving with an AT...


i know :tap:

pretty hard to suck at driving with an AT...


i know :tap:
hmm.. release foot from brake.... and swiftly push gas pedal to floor... vroom. :lol:

lmao

pretty hard to suck at driving with an AT...


i know :tap:
hmm.. release foot from brake.... and swiftly push gas pedal to floor... vroom. :lol:

maybe your messing up on the swiftly part eh? :P

No offense man, but our cars weren't exactly meant to race with, especially an auto. Get a faster car or turbo your current car if you want to make it faster. The lack of an LSD or traction control for that matter make them awful off the line if you give it too much gas. As for what cars we can beat, that's a tough question to answer...

Ya I'm sure the NA auto tC has tons of traction problems... :rofl:

But as they said, the auto tC really is a slow car, so if you want to try and race some people you'd need to SC or turbo it.

But as they said, the auto tC really is a slow car, so if you want to try and race some people you'd need to SC or turbo it.

I beg to differ! :flame: :flame: lol, j/k.

But hey, whats the hurry. Like they said in "Be Cool": "If your important, people will wait for you." :rofl:
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Only two options for you.... 1) Trade it in for faster car and 2) Boost it!

And for GODS SAKE! Don't get an Autotragic!

But hey, whats the hurry. Like they said in "Be Cool": "If your important, people will wait for you." :rofl:

Wow, some else saw that movie :lalala:

All tC's should know they can beat xB's and xA's.

Scion= Slow in Japanese...........

Stock xA will actually beat a stock tC off the line all the way to 30 and maybe a lil farther. as per Motor Trend.

All tC's should know they can beat xB's and xA's.

Scion= Slow in Japanese...........

Stock xA will actually beat a stock tC off the line all the way to 30 and maybe a lil farther. as per Motor Trend.


If you say so... :doh:

If you say so... :doh:

lol

that's what the issue of Moter Trend said It might have been a stick xA vs an auto tC I can't remember, but being an xA driver, that stuck out and grabbed my attention. I remember that one of the xA's tested beat a tC in the graph at the back of every Motor Trend.

must of been my baby sister driving...lol im kiddin kiddo, with the right drivers probably can a hell of a race, tc is hella heavy

Stock to Stock...an xA would only need I think 30 or 40hp to have a better Power to Weight. And like I said, it could have been a Stick xA vs an auto tC, and it was only to 30mph...Imma look this up....I'll get it either tonight or by the end of the week

just get it clear to get the P/W ratio do you divide the power into the weight: 2400 / 103?

I can't find that damn artical anywhere...I'm gonna keep lookin though

yeah I think you divide.


And it must have been an Auto tC and a m/t xA. Auto xA will do like 18 sec in the 1/4th.

try racing an LX CIVIC haha

i already tore up a couple eclipses har har them stupid emo kids

Hey ive read up on this topic a bit and i'd like to contribute a little.

I own an 05 xa rs 1.0 5 speed. it now has a blitz supercharger. boost gauge k/n intake dc sports headers, and dc sports exhaust. i have beaten stock tc's a couple times. the only problem is that my governor kicks in at 117.5 mph. i know this cause i have a gps system in it. when i race on the highway usually on route 22, i can shift a 6 grand in 4th gear which puts me a 100mph at shift. i love looking at the tc drivers face when i do that. cause there usually in 5th gear and i have one more to go. then the supercharger whines up and off i go.

Hey ive read up on this topic a bit and i'd like to contribute a little.

I own an 05 xa rs 1.0 5 speed. it now has a blitz supercharger. boost gauge k/n intake dc sports headers, and dc sports exhaust. i have beaten stock tc's a couple times. the only problem is that my governor kicks in at 117.5 mph. i know this cause i have a gps system in it. when i race on the highway usually on route 22, i can shift a 6 grand in 4th gear which puts me a 100mph at shift. i love looking at the tc drivers face when i do that. cause there usually in 5th gear and i have one more to go. then the supercharger whines up and off i go.



Yeah, but your going to need more than that S/C to take out a Boosted tC. At least mine anyway.. :P

Stock to Stock...an xA would only need I think 30 or 40hp to have a better Power to Weight.

Only 30-40 hp? You say that like its easy to get that out of the tiny 1.5L! You'd basically have to add another half liter of displacement, or what, $4.5K in mods?

i probably have about that much in mods anyway, but yeah rhythemsmoke, there is no way i could beat a boosted tc. i've seen those things and Damn thats all i can say.

but i wanted to be faster than a stock tc cause im stuck making payments and now i finally am able to do that.

i have an auto 06 stock tc, no matter how much i try, every person i race off the line beats me, sometimes people arent even trying to race and me pushing my car as hard as i can (without hurting it) wont even beat them, ive raced grand prixs, crassfires, and alot of other cars, never can i win, my queston is what of cars can we beat, if this has already been posted, sorry but i couldnt find anything

Trade in for a manual.

yeah, then intake, headers, and exhaust. easy upgrades, fun to put on

Stock to Stock...an xA would only need I think 30 or 40hp to have a better Power to Weight.

Only 30-40 hp? You say that like its easy to get that out of the tiny 1.5L! You'd basically have to add another half liter of displacement, or what, $4.5K in mods?

or 15-20 with lighter wieght rims, a pulley... you can cheat it out.

also I know a guy that has over 160hp (I don't know exactly) in his xA.

or 15-20 with lighter wieght rims, a pulley... you can cheat it out.

also I know a guy that has over 160hp (I don't know exactly) in his xA.

Sure, you could "cheat it out," but it would take more than rims that are 4lbs lighter per corner (which is about as light as you could get even if you went with 14" race wheels) and a pulley that adds 2.5 whp (I'm being gracious with that amount). Hell, I'll even throw in a CAI for 6 whp, but the xA will still be out 0-60'd by a stock tC.

I'd love to see the dyno chart for the 1.5L with 160+ whp. I bet jesteratc will admit that would take more money than brains.

I'll talk tp him about that dyno chart

and there are 15" rims that are 10lb thats 7lb lighter than the stock steel.

of course i would admit that, you do not want to try and dump that kind of money into a vehical like i did. i really wish that i had chosen a tc and done something better. i probably have around 150 hosrespower in the engine. and i can keep up with a tc. but only stock. i need to weight for my supercharger to get over 4 grand before i can punch it. so i would say they could beat me in the zero to sixty yeah. but not zero to 100. i got my car dynod and truthfully i had 70 horsepower at the wheels. they said that was pretty good considering most of there cars that were stock dynoed at half of what the car actually had from factory. and yes i said 70 horsepower, i know that doesnt sound good but i can definately feel it. oh and whp does not mean front wheel horsepower. it referes to the flywheel. about as close to the engine as you can get. its my power to weight ratio do the calculations it will work.

oh and whp does not mean front wheel horsepower. it referes to the flywheel. about as close to the engine as you can get. its my power to weight ratio do the calculations it will work.

WHP= Wheel Horse Power, measured using a chasis dyno.
BHP= Brake Horse Power, measured on an engine dyno.


Engine dynamometer
An engine dynamometer measures power and torque directly from the engine's crankshaft (or flywheel), when the engine is removed from the vehicle. These dynos do not account for power losses in the drivetrain, such as the gearbox, transmission or differential etc.

Chassis dynamometer
A chassis dynamometer measures power from the engine through the wheels. The vehicle is parked on rollers which the car then turns and the output is measured.

well then i have 70 whp and i can beat a stock tc

if the formula I heard (1lb off the wheels = 20 off the car) then, 6lb off each corner would be like taking 480 lbs off the car. and I heard that one specific pulley (can't remember what kind) is like taking 100lb off the car, that means that with the light rims and pulley, it's like taking 580lb off the car, that does a lot for p/w ratio.

If I'm wrong about any of this please tell me, I would rather know the truth than sound like an idiot.

The removing of unsprung weight (anything that is below the suspension [that is an over simplification]) is more beneficial to performance than sprung weight. So getting wheels that are 6# lighter per corner is better than removing 24# from the interior. That said, the lower rotational mass is most important to the drive wheels.

Now, one pully that can simulate the removal of 100#? That's freakin' amazing. Maybe if you take out your accessory pulley and the AC compressor and all of the associated plumbing you'll lose 40#. You'll have to show me what you're talking about.

I don't know if the 1:20 formula is true (I'll look into that).

6# per corner would figure out to be 480# from the interior

6# x 20 x 4(per corner) = 480

From another forum (http://hondaswap.com/general-tech-articles/unsprung-weight-part-2-a-29058/)
Given that each pound of rotational mass lost provides an equivalent performance gain as a 10 pound reduction in vehicle weight

So the 6# per corner actually equals about 240 lbs internally. This is more believable than the 480 #.

I'm still curious about this 100# pulley.

thank you for giving the right info on the wheel wieht formula... I think the Pulley I was looking at was a Perrin, poss an underdrive pully.

*The guy has a 55shot of N2O and a cold air intake.

103 + 55 = 158 + 6(you gave for CAI) = 164

The No2 shot make sense. While I'ma firm supporter of Perrin products, I'm having a hard time swallowng that crank pulley. They clearly make the claim on their site that the 1.3# pulley is equal to removing 100#! Now when will they do that for my tC!

The No2 shot make sense. While I'ma firm supporter of Perrin products, I'm having a hard time swallowng that crank pulley. They clearly make the claim on their site that the 1.3# pulley is equal to removing 100#! Now when will they do that for my tC!

That's what I was talking about, so the theory that I spoke as truth has merit....It was just based on (poss) false info.

Well I have a manager at my work that I got beat buy his 97 i believe s10 but then again this is a 63 year old crazy gear head that has no problem putting the car to the ultimate test. But needless to say he beat me, one of the downsides about having an auto in my opinion becuz if u don't get a good jump u will not win. But well my car is definately sexier looking than his. But all his cars he has can beat me and more than likely most of the forum members, 69 camaro with 454 bored 30 over, an old stingray corvette, a 67 camaro he is currently in the process of building i believe a 427, he also has a v8 gremlin that I really want to see run, and his has an old station wagon with a 454 in it, and in his other garage he has an old mercury hotroad, and a honda prelude that he says is in showroom quality that hardly gets used but he said is very subtle but yet breath taking. Now if only he knew something about the tuner cars I would get him to mess with my car.

1. You are driving a 3000+ lbs car with under 150hp at the wheels. Your power to weight ratio as you sit is total crap for racing.

2. High level dragracing used highly built automatic trans or manual trans that will cost thousands if not 10's of thousands. Your gears and shift points are not ment for racing but they are ment for comfortable crusing.

3. And this is the imprtant part. DRAGRACING ON THE STREET IS ILLEGAL IN EVERY STATE. If you can deal with hitting a minivan in the side at 100mph+ and killing 2-10 small children and the person driving the van, then you are more of a monster than I would ever care to meet.