I went and test drove a 5 speed xB yesturday and was a little disappointed by the whole experience. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the xB, and I will be getting a Thundercloud in a couple of weeks. But I just thought the 5 speed was really weak. I have driven a couple of auto xB's and wanted to see if the 5 speed might be a little quicker. But is doesn't seem like it is at all. In fact, the gearbox was so tight and sticky that I think the auto was actually a little quicker. Anyone else have a similar experience? I guess I'm gonna end up poppin the $800 for the auto tranny. Not sure what the hell I'm gonna do with my right hand though!!! I've been driving nothing but standards for 8 years now!

its not faster. I've raced auto tranny xBs. but what do you expect from a 108 hp car???

With only 1.5 liters pumping out 105 hp, doesn't matter whether it has a stick or auto, it's gonna be slow. I like the stick because I want the ability to shift the engine myself. The stick also seems to be geared to make the most use of what little hp the car has. It could sure use a 6-speed tho, in order to get those rpms down when it's cruising along at highway speeds (3500 rpms at 65 mph). My SRT-4 was only pulling 2500 rpms at the same speed.

I have both. Since you sound like I sounded when I p[icked up our 5 spd (I'd only driven an auto when I ordered the 5 speed) I'd recommend the auto. Lower RMPS at highway speed..(That's right, auto turns lower rpms) really no slower and the 5spd tranny is notchy and icky while the auto is smooth. Since the box's bounce up and down enough the added bouncing back and forth is tiring sometimes.

I personally thought that the 5spd that we got had a little more seat of the pants power than the auot that we drove in a test drive, esp. with the ari on. I will also note that the 5spd is one of the smoothest shifting cars that I have driven reciently, once I got used to the short travel of the clutch pedal.

I think the 1.5l motor wants to have a little higher rpms to drive right anyway. Mine shifts best about 3500-4000rpms.

you people clearly don't know how to drive the 5 speed then

i've raced about 4 auto xb's and won by a landslide....the 5 speed def has a lot more pickup if u know what ur doing....

Jeff

Question: Why speak of "racing" when the car has only 108 hp??? So it's quicker than my pull-start mower, but not by much. Are you "racing" people on the freeways that you imagine are racing against you because they looked at you cross-eyed? If so, perhaps you're off you medication...

I find this topic too humerous and sometimes a bit disturbing. Now if you had a Charger with a 440 Hemi or a GM 454, you could back up your boasting, but you have a 108 hp go-cart engine.

So, what gives with all the racing stories?

i'm talking about "racing" auto xb's the same car as mine but with a different trans, so i think u need to read before u speak....the point of "racing" these other xB's is to see if the five-speed really is quicker than the auto....sorry that i displeased you may i kiss ur feet now?

Jeff

Trust me, it's more disappointed in you. :wink:

i'm talking about "racing" auto xb's the same car as mine but with a different trans, so i think u need to read before u speak....the point of "racing" these other xB's is to see if the five-speed really is quicker than the auto....sorry that i displeased you may i kiss ur feet now?

Jeff

Don't be a d*ck. I did read your message. If I offended you, be a big boy and get over it.

:roll: First and foremost>>>>>> The engine is the 1.5 liter VVT-I... The (I) part of that equation stands for intelligence. That means that as you drive the engine will mix your fuel ratio and open and close your intake to maximize your driving habit. That pretty much means that if your a lead foot the chip in the engine will modify your fuel to air ratio to maximize speed. And if your a cruiser then it will work in the opposite direction maximizing fuel economy but making it a bit slower. We have tried out this theory on our xB that we have had for 6-7 months and noticed that it runs quicker than an 05 xb with the same set-up. You have to break in your engine first then you will notice the diff. and notice how it will feel a bit more powerful after a few thousand miles on it. But if you want a bit more power you could also just add the intake and exhaust with some nice headers and you'll be set.

The dealer in this area has raced the auto and 5-spd he has and the five speed runs about 1.5 seconds quicker in the quarter...

i'm talking about "racing" auto xb's the same car as mine but with a different trans, so i think u need to read before u speak....the point of "racing" these other xB's is to see if the five-speed really is quicker than the auto....sorry that i displeased you may i kiss ur feet now?

Jeff

Don't be a d*ck. I did read your message. If I offended you, be a big boy and get over it.

Wasn't trying to be a dick i was frustrated that you were making me be redundant....

plus i had a big fight with the ex right b4 i posted on here....i do apologize....

Jeff

Love the Auto, didn't even try the stick.

And It's not like I'm trailing behind the sticks when we travel, maybe in a straight push with no traffic off the start but maybe not... :twisted:

1.5 secs at top speed is maybe 2-3 carlengths? I can make that up in reaction time and/or traffic... It should depend more on what kind of driving you do.

1.5 secs at top speed is maybe 2-3 carlengths? I can make that up in reaction time and/or traffic... It should depend more on what kind of driving you do.

Actually a 1/10 of a second is = to 1 car length so, i doubt it's 1.5 sec faster. and seems be more correct that the Auto is more cosistant in times. i'd bet with even good driving prowess, your Manual might get 1 maybe 2, 1/10 faster. Front wheel dr vehicles follow weight rules in this mannor usually every 60 lbs = 1 car length or 1/10 of a sec. or 1 hp worth of gain. Where as rear wheel drives (like someones 440, lol.) needs to stiffin' its diet to lose 100 lbs for each 1/10 of a sec. The rear squats under launch because of weight transfer causing more pressure on the rear tires therefor loss of traction can be observed at times.

You can take any car and turn down mid to high 13's, don't care what it is. but know that going from a mid 13 to a low 13, and a low 13 to a high 12 is where it gets harder and more substantial a pain and drain in the wallet.

i'm talking about "racing" auto xb's the same car as mine but with a different trans, so i think u need to read before u speak....the point of "racing" these other xB's is to see if the five-speed really is quicker than the auto....sorry that i displeased you may i kiss ur feet now?

Jeff

Don't be a d*ck. I did read your message. If I offended you, be a big boy and get over it.

Wasn't trying to be a dick i was frustrated that you were making me be redundant....

plus i had a big fight with the ex right b4 i posted on here....i do apologize....

Jeff

No worries. I didn't mean to direct the comment about racing specifically to you, hence my changing the topic of the post in my first message - it was intended to be a general comment, but in retrospect, not the best place to post it.

:roll: First and foremost>>>>>> The engine is the 1.5 liter VVT-I... The (I) part of that equation stands for intelligence. That means that as you drive the engine will mix your fuel ratio and open and close your intake to maximize your driving habit. That pretty much means that if your a lead foot the chip in the engine will modify your fuel to air ratio to maximize speed. And if your a cruiser then it will work in the opposite direction maximizing fuel economy but making it a bit slower. We have tried out this theory on our xB that we have had for 6-7 months and noticed that it runs quicker than an 05 xb with the same set-up. You have to break in your engine first then you will notice the diff. and notice how it will feel a bit more powerful after a few thousand miles on it. But if you want a bit more power you could also just add the intake and exhaust with some nice headers and you'll be set.

I didn't realize that. So the 5 speed I drove that had 4 miles on it probably was not the best representation of the 5 speeds potential?

I got the auto in mine just so the wife can drive.
this is a commuter/city car. If i wanted fast i would have stuck with my FC as a daily driver.I still have the FC...but now its on toy status.

I really dont care if there is a diffrence becasue both are slow..

I can CERTAINLY vouch for the 5speed being quicker AND faster than the AT in the quarter, and overall. My parents own a Thundercloud AT, and I own a Black Sand Pearl 5speed. And actually today I got to drive my parents car for like the 100th time, and they're car is noticeably slower, off the line, from a roll, and total acceleration.

According to ALL of the Major Car magazines, including Car and Driver, Motor Trend, etc. the 5speed runs about a 17.1-17.3 1/4mile time, while the Automatic runs about a 17.9-18.3 in the 1/4.

I truely think the 5spd pulls more from a start, and from a roll, and you can really feel the power in the 5spd.

No matter how I launched my parents car, it still really lagged with putting the power down.

I don't know how many countless times my father and I have raced eachother b4 just for fun, and my dad was blown AWAY by how much quicker my car was than theirs, every single time I raced him. Well, actually once I lost, because I missed 3rd gear, (can't find it, GRIND it).

So, all in all, thats how I felt from the start, and thats how I still feel.

Any person out there with an AT xA or xB, willing to race me, feel free to drop me a challenge, and I'll gladly accept to demonstrate how I feel about this deal...lol

j/k^^

well, later everyone, and its glad to be back on Scionlife.com

late.

-Tylor

p.s. yeah, I agree driving two new cars, an AT xB, and a MT xB, NEW, kinda, kinda not shows the REAL potential of the little cars...

My car has about 10k miles on it (bought it June 7th, 2003), and my parents' have EXACTLY 20k miles on theirs (bought theirs June 14th, 2003). Letting the engine break in, and depending on how you drove the car during break in, kinda determines how your car performs now.

yeah...forgot to add that in my last post^^, lol

late.

-Tylor

keep it real, and don't get your panties in a bunch over stupid stuff....

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded.

And It's not like I'm trailing behind the sticks when we travel, maybe in a straight push with no traffic off the start but maybe not... :twisted:

1.5 secs at top speed is maybe 2-3 carlengths? I can make that up in reaction time and/or traffic... It should depend more on what kind of driving you do.

Don't let this guy fool you. With the auto tranny, on the freeway, he blew right by a Benzo AMG. *Remember him? you took pictures* :lol: :wink:

I didn't even read these posts. If yall really wanna race, do it up hill...in San Francisco. In traffic. or shut up, cause downhill yall are mine! :twisted: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, so some of the 1.5 liter 108 hp wee-wee wagons are a tiny bit faster than the others. Who cares? If someone cares about power or racing, then why the heck did they buy such a whimpy car?

It's pretty funny to see people pumping all kinds of cash tuning the hell of these 1.5's. With all that time and money, you can get a real car. A FAST car. But other people's opinion about what someone does with their time and cash means squat, so tune away!!! Maybe with enough work you could turn almost 130 horses on the dyno :lol:

OK, so some of the 1.5 liter 108 hp wee-wee wagons are a tiny bit faster than the others. Who cares? If someone cares about power or racing, then why the heck did they buy such a whimpy car?

It's pretty funny to see people pumping all kinds of cash tuning the hell of these 1.5's. With all that time and money, you can get a real car. A FAST car. But other people's opinion about what someone does with their time and cash means squat, so tune away!!! Maybe with enough work you could turn almost 130 horses on the dyno :lol:

And how is this relevant?

OK, so some of the 1.5 liter 108 hp wee-wee wagons are a tiny bit faster than the others. Who cares? If someone cares about power or racing, then why the heck did they buy such a whimpy car?

It's pretty funny to see people pumping all kinds of cash tuning the hell of these 1.5's. With all that time and money, you can get a real car. A FAST car. But other people's opinion about what someone does with their time and cash means squat, so tune away!!! Maybe with enough work you could turn almost 130 horses on the dyno :lol:

I love my xB, it's not that slow. If I told you all the light to light race's I've won, you wouldn't listen anyway.

BUT! Just because there are faster cars on the road, that doesn't have any effect on my will to make ANY car of mine faster!

Just because theres a guy nearby that rocks an F360 Modena, doesn't mean that my cousin's 1st Gen Eclipse GSX shouldn't have every right to be just as fast (actually faster).

The long of the short is, who gives a ____ if the car isn't lightning fast out of the box, did this ever stop the honda tuners? Hot rodders? any of them? Nope.

You want the easy way out, go spend a lot more on an ugly WRX, EVO, SRT-4, and be like all the little spoiled kids that got them for graduation, or their birthdays...

Just my opinion... actually... a LOT of peoples opinions are the same...

OK, so some of the 1.5 liter 108 hp wee-wee wagons are a tiny bit faster than the others. Who cares? If someone cares about power or racing, then why the heck did they buy such a whimpy car?

It's pretty funny to see people pumping all kinds of cash tuning the hell of these 1.5's. With all that time and money, you can get a real car. A FAST car. But other people's opinion about what someone does with their time and cash means squat, so tune away!!! Maybe with enough work you could turn almost 130 horses on the dyno :lol:

I love my xB, it's not that slow. If I told you all the light to light race's I've won, you wouldn't listen anyway.

BUT! Just because there are faster cars on the road, that doesn't have any effect on my will to make ANY car of mine faster!

Just because theres a guy nearby that rocks an F360 Modena, doesn't mean that my cousin's 1st Gen Eclipse GSX shouldn't have every right to be just as fast (actually faster).

The long of the short is, who gives a ____ if the car isn't lightning fast out of the box, did this ever stop the honda tuners? Hot rodders? any of them? Nope.

You want the easy way out, go spend a lot more on an ugly WRX, EVO, SRT-4, and be like all the little spoiled kids that got them for graduation, or their birthdays...

Just my opinion... actually... a LOT of peoples opinions are the same...

Well said. My concept of "tuning" isn't having the most, but getting the most outta what you got. The only thing I'm racing is the clock...

Actually the 5 speed is faster in the 1/4 by about 1 1/2 seconds.

Actually the 5 speed is faster in the 1/4 by about 1 1/2 seconds.

nice :D short and sweet answer....

yea damit... more of those posts that get right to the point and less smack talking ones.

Someone asked a question, people answer.

I dont understand why when people are answering, other people are starting with them.

1 + 1 = 2, not 1

ps: my 5 spd 108hp go cart craps on yo mammas van

box haters

TRD - toyota -----> "RACING" <---------- developement

I'm surprised no one's brought up the standard wisdom -- It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. You can flog the xB and keep your license. Do the same thing in a $30k fast car and you'll be riding the bus to work in no time flat.

The 5-speed is a bit notchy. It feels exacly the same as the shifter in my 170,000 mile Celica GT-S, in fact. But once you get used to that, it's fine, and I do think it's mellowed out a bit over 2000 miles.

As for 5-speed vs. AT, it's just a personal thing. People who love the act of driving and who enjoy having complete control of the car at all times will get a the 5-speed. People who like the culture of driving and cruising and having cars that look beautiful (no matter how well the cars drive) go for the AT.

People who hate cars get boring cars that only come with ATs. :)