Just saw it on the store section of the site.. is it out yet? any gains? price? DC makes good headers for hondas...

Just got off the phone with DC.. ETA is 3 weeks from today...NO MSRP as or yet NO estimates in power gains

Just answered my own question. HA!

Dam Komplex, give me a chance to answer.........I got nothing but thanks for the info! :lol:

I want that header!!! ahhh.. then maybe you can make me a exhaust..

http://www.scionlife.com/store/products/dcsports_shc4401_01.jpg

theres also this one on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33631&item=2443111418

theres also this one on ebay.


mmmm i'd rather stick to brands i know...

like SPRF and Randode racing!!!

theres also this one on ebay.


mmmm i'd rather stick to brands i know...

like SPRF and Randode racing!!!
haha, i dont think i will be coming out with a header anytime soon.

At least make a thingamajiggy.

At least make a thingamajiggy.
sorry, the thingamajiggys are on back order. I do have the whodjamapluncks in stock.

If i get one of those do i get a free hootinabarber?

hey hold on what about the added option of a swashhbuggler?

I think you meant swashbuckler, but he's my ___ biotchfrabeehydbopper

The guys at SEMA were telling me they saw upwards of 11 WHP with the header and rear section exhaust. If thats anywhere near true than with the replacement of the midpipe, there should be an easy 15 horses to the wheels with the intake, header and full exhaust. Maybe, if we are lucky, a little ecu tuning may even give another 5.

The guys at SEMA were telling me they saw upwards of 11 WHP with the header and rear section exhaust. If thats anywhere near true than with the replacement of the midpipe, there should be an easy 15 horses to the wheels with the intake, header and full exhaust. Maybe, if we are lucky, a little ecu tuning may even give another 5.

Too bad it doesn't work that way. You can't assume that the 5 hp you get from the intake is going to just add in to the header and exhaust combo. You may actually lose hp.

if people don't want to wait for this one, e.l. prototypes has a header available.

Unless you're running forced induction........i don't think headers are an exceptionally worthwhile investment. While they will probably give you higher flow and better power in the upper rpm range........might end up robbing low end power.........which honestly........is what us Scion owners need to be focusing on the most..........cause there is not much point in trying to force really high speeds out of our tiny engines, and boxy cars. If you were running an SC......i'd say hell yeah......go for some high flow headers.

KiL

Unless you're running forced induction........i don't think headers are an exceptionally worthwhile investment. While they will probably give you higher flow and better power in the upper rpm range........might end up robbing low end power.........which honestly........is what us Scion owners need to be focusing on the most..........cause there is not much point in trying to force really high speeds out of our tiny engines, and boxy cars. If you were running an SC......i'd say hell yeah......go for some high flow headers.

KiL

dido

Dido? what does she have to with it?? oh, ditto!.. i see :wink:

Unless you're running forced induction........i don't think headers are an exceptionally worthwhile investment. While they will probably give you higher flow and better power in the upper rpm range........might end up robbing low end power.........which honestly........is what us Scion owners need to be focusing on the most..........cause there is not much point in trying to force really high speeds out of our tiny engines, and boxy cars. If you were running an SC......i'd say hell yeah......go for some high flow headers.

KiL

But if you planning on going the N/A route, headers are a must. Agreed that good power making headers are going to rob your low end power. No matter what. Now Mid range power would be helped with a 4-2-1 header, but that robs top end, and honestly with these smaller four bangers thats were we are going to make all our power. and honestly coming from a turbo, I'd sacrifice all that low end get up and go for some massive ball sack streching, cheek flapping top end.

The guys at SEMA were telling me they saw upwards of 11 WHP with the header and rear section exhaust. If thats anywhere near true than with the replacement of the midpipe, there should be an easy 15 horses to the wheels with the intake, header and full exhaust. Maybe, if we are lucky, a little ecu tuning may even give another 5.

Too bad it doesn't work that way. You can't assume that the 5 hp you get from the intake is going to just add in to the header and exhaust combo. You may actually lose hp.

In part, you are correct. I have tested this back and forth on the dyno with my s2000. Adding mods together does not equate to a summation of their parts. Which is why some parts work better with others.

What is true though, is that all the testing all the manufacturers have done are with the ____ty stock midpipe. I am sure replacing the midpipe alone will yield 3-5 WHP regardless of what other mods are on the car acorss the RPM band

Really?? wow STYLIS you should start selling mid pipes!!

I wana Fluxcompasitor on mine, does anyone make thoes?

I wana Fluxcompasitor on mine, does anyone make thoes?

Ya - and when that baby hits 88 MPH we're going to see some serious ____!

For sure!!! Marty McFly better watch his skateboard hovering, De Lorien Flyin' Hynie!!!

Just got off the phone with DC sports again. here's the latest..

Headers will be available mid Jan. Suggested retail price for them is 329.. I'm already working on a group buy for that. But that's top secret stuff..Dyno numbers were 5-6 WHP gain.

They also just released the Axel back exhaust for the xB and xA. Dyno'd a 4.8 WHP gain. The power difference between a full cat back and axel was VERY SMALL, i'm guessing around .2-.5 whp so that's the reason why everyone is doing a axel back. Thy only company as of right now that is releasing a full cat back is injen. MSRP on the cat back is 389 + tax. I can get these right now for 329 +shipping.

And thats it until later this month..lol

injen already released full cat-back??
never heard of it.....

im interested in those headers...

Injens wasnt released yet. Soon...

but u can get it right now???
:?:

Just got off the phone with DC sports again. here's the latest..

Headers will be available mid Jan. Suggested retail price for them is 329.. I'm already working on a group buy for that. But that's top secret stuff..Dyno numbers were 5-6 WHP gain.

They also just released the Axel back exhaust for the xB and xA. Dyno'd a 4.8 WHP gain. The power difference between a full cat back and axel was VERY SMALL, i'm guessing around .2-.5 whp so that's the reason why everyone is doing a axel back. Thy only company as of right now that is releasing a full cat back is injen. MSRP on the cat back is 389 + tax. I can get these right now for 329 +shipping.

And thats it until later this month..lol


Sorry dood, but that is ABOSULUTELY INCORRECT. The only reason they are not offering a cat back system is because of the design of the mid-pipe. The car is OBDII which means you cannot legally alter the emissions system of the car. The midpipe on the scions are all one piece housing the catalytic converter in them.

So if they told you that the reason they didnt go cat back was because they didnt see any gains tell them to shove it, because its total crap.

Sorry dood, but that is ABOSULUTELY INCORRECT. The only reason they are not offering a cat back system is because of the design of the mid-pipe. The car is OBDII which means you cannot legally alter the emissions system of the car. The midpipe on the scions are all one piece housing the catalytic converter in them.

So if they told you that the reason they didnt go cat back was because they didnt see any gains tell them to shove it, because its total crap.

There is no need to flame the messenger. I simply got off the phone and relayed the entire messege he told me. If you wanna share you information, be my guest. Just don't come at me like I'm the one that designed and manufactured it.


BBted

I can get the DC axel back.

There is no need to flame the messenger. I simply got off the phone and relayed the entire messege he told me. If you wanna share you information, be my guest. Just don't come at me like I'm the one that designed and manufactured it.


BBted

I can get the DC axel back.[/quote]

Thats why i hate the computer. You cant see facial expressions or hear the tone of voice. Im sorry if you took that the wrong way brutha, i in no way meant it in an offensive way. I just hate when people pass on incorrect info. I know it wasnt you that was saying the info, so if anything, im flaming him :)

ALright... everyone one call DC and Flame him!!!

8)

Sorry dood, but that is ABOSULUTELY INCORRECT. The only reason they are not offering a cat back system is because of the design of the mid-pipe. The car is OBDII which means you cannot legally alter the emissions system of the car. The midpipe on the scions are all one piece housing the catalytic converter in them.

So if they told you that the reason they didnt go cat back was because they didnt see any gains tell them to shove it, because its total crap.

Then how can somebody have a "Manifold-Back" System, I'm assuming the means Exhaust manifold(Header) out the back have been changed or inlarged?

Also, Is it possible to run a test pipe (NO Cat.)?*

(Disclaimer= for racing/off-road purposes)<-My C.Y.A.

Dave

Manifold back is just like it says..manifold back. it replaces everything...and yes you can swap out the cat and make a test pipe. or bigger cat or whatever.

What about the O2 sensor? or is the bung on the Exhaust Manifold or Header?

cuz I'd like to do this system:
DC Sports Header
2.5" Custom midpipe w/ test pipe
DC Sport Muffler.

What other conciderations should be taken?

Thanks,
Dave

The axel back..has a flange that connects to the stock mid pipe at the same size... so lets the the connector is 1 1/2 inch. and the actual piping is 2 1/2 or whatever. if you get a mid pipe you still have a restriction there... typically the o2 bung is after the cat. i havent seen the underside of the pipe. STYLIS should know. If you're going to have a cust mid pipe, you better off doing a complete manifold back. TRUST ME on that. Ask stylis he makes the most power...lol

No Header? just manifold back? what size piping?

Thanks for the info, I'm aiming for 110whp :!:

Manifold back...is from the manifold back. Stock header..or if you wish aftermarket.

Manifold back...is from the manifold back. Stock header..or if you wish aftermarket.

Stock Header?? Exhaust Manifold?? They're one in the same, right??

What size tubing 2.0" or 2.5"??

Dave

Yes they are the same. 2.0 2.25 or 2.5 it's all up to you. I'd probably go with a 2.25 exhaust.

apparently you don't know what cat-back means...


[quote=KOMPLEX]Just got off the phone with DC sports again. Sorry dood, but that is ABOSULUTELY INCORRECT. The only reason they are not offering a cat back system is because of the design of the mid-pipe. The car is OBDII which means you cannot legally alter the emissions system of the car. The midpipe on the scions are all one piece housing the catalytic converter in them.

So if they told you that the reason they didnt go cat back was because they didnt see any gains tell them to shove it, because its total crap.

apparently you don't know what cat-back means...

damn you act like a stuck up mr know it all

apparently you don't know what cat-back means...

damn you act like a stuck up mr know it all


:D

being that u cant alter your emissions controll "devices" such as your cat....then that would instantly make the magnaflow catback illegal.....be funny in 4 years when the people who have magnaflow catback fail their smog inspection when the guy looks under the car....and with the newer extremely strict smog laws....the fines are nice and heavy

being that u cant alter your emissions controll "devices" such as your cat....then that would instantly make the magnaflow catback illegal.....be funny in 4 years when the people who have magnaflow catback fail their smog inspection when the guy looks under the car....and with the newer extremely strict smog laws....the fines are nice and heavy

californians and their emissions..muahahaha... Emissions doesn't fit in Florida's budget :twisted:

being that u cant alter your emissions controll "devices" such as your cat....then that would instantly make the magnaflow catback illegal.....be funny in 4 years when the people who have magnaflow catback fail their smog inspection when the guy looks under the car....and with the newer extremely strict smog laws....the fines are nice and heavy

californians and their emissions..muahahaha... Emissions doesn't fit in Florida's budget :twisted: :evil:

being that u cant alter your emissions controll "devices" such as your cat....then that would instantly make the magnaflow catback illegal.....be funny in 4 years when the people who have magnaflow catback fail their smog inspection when the guy looks under the car....and with the newer extremely strict smog laws....the fines are nice and heavy

californians and their emissions..muahahaha... Emissions doesn't fit in Florida's budget :twisted: :evil:
i dont worry about smog here in cali....everyone else does.....i dont have to smog my cars due to where they are registered....

being that u cant alter your emissions controll "devices" such as your cat....then that would instantly make the magnaflow catback illegal.....be funny in 4 years when the people who have magnaflow catback fail their smog inspection when the guy looks under the car....and with the newer extremely strict smog laws....the fines are nice and heavy

The magnaflow catback doesn't replace the cat (so its really an after-cat). You cut the pipe right after the cat and either weld or clamp it there- so your not changing emissions equipment therefore smog is still cool and everyones happy.