If not why not?

i'm getting my free 1000 mile checkup, but no oil change. this is real life, not gran turismo...that $20 is more $$$ to scion. dealerships make more money on their service departments than on selling cars. since they have you in there for a freebie, they are trying to get some $$$ out of you at least to cover costs

My dealership is giving 1 free oil and filter change then the next 3 are free from scion.

i'm getting my free 1000 mile checkup, but no oil change. this is real life, not gran turismo...that $20 is more $$$ to scion. dealerships make more money on their service departments than on selling cars. since they have you in there for a freebie, they are trying to get some $$$ out of you at least to cover costs
yep :D

My dealership is giving 1 free oil and filter change then the next 3 are free from scion.

Ditto

Don't do at 1000 unless you want to waste money. Do the first one at 3000 and then if you do mostly city driving, do all others at 3000 and if you do mostly highway then do every 4000.

Kevin

I paid for free maintenance so I will take advantage of it...this isn't Gran Turismo so I don't pay in credits for my oil changes either :P .

Are all Scions supposed to have THREE FREE Oil changes?

My dealer mentioned nothing of them

i dont get why you would need to have the oil changed at 1k miles...

Are all Scions supposed to have THREE FREE Oil changes?

My dealer mentioned nothing of them

if your dealer didnt mention it then they prolly dont know about it, my dealer is giving me 3 free oil changes but he didnt mention anything about the 3 free ones that scion is giving us, so im guessin that i get 6 free oil changes :twisted:

i dont get why you would need to have the oil changed at 1k miles...

In all honesty, you don't. I just want to get more of a check on the car right after break-in then anything else.

The xB's service schedule recommends oil changes every 5K miles, not 3.

My dealer didn't mention anything about three free oil changes but when I was looking through my service manual record I saw it in the very back of the book. Plus there was a piece of paper hanging from my glove box that mentioned it.

I was debating this, and it depends on how I break in the car. If it's fast and hard, I'm gonna do it right when I get home, then 1000, then 3000 and every 3000 thereafter. If I do it slow per the manual, it will be the same, only the first will be at 1000. Overkill? Maybe, but I baby my cars and that's how it goes.

Quick question to the individuals who are trying to save $20? Is that $20 worth the longivity of your car? This is how it breaks down. The original oil that is in the car isn't really oil. It is filled with a lot more chemicals and stuff that helps your engine settle in the break-in period. This is what I suggest. Do not drive your car hard until you actually have the oil changed. This "mock" oil that is used to help break-in your engine can't take the temperatures as well, thus hurting your engine. So, change the oil to regular oil at 1000 miles if you plan on driving it hard after that. If you are poor and don't want to spend the extra $20, then wait until 3000 miles, and then do it. Your car should be way past "breaking-in" at that point. Just please, I beg you, don't run your car hard until your first oil change. The timeframe in which that happens is really up to you.

do you really think they would say not to get an oil change until 5,000 miles if your car had "fake oil" in it? it's the dealerships recommending it, not scion.

$20 x's every scion sold = big bucks to the dealerships

every tC comes w/ 3 free oil changes, regardless of the dealer telling you or not.

ride it hard for the first 20 miles then change out the "break in" oil.
the oil in the car when you get it is dino oil plus other greases like cam lube.

running it longer is not good.

Quick question to the individuals who are trying to save $20? Is that $20 worth the longivity of your car? This is how it breaks down. The original oil that is in the car isn't really oil. It is filled with a lot more chemicals and stuff that helps your engine settle in the break-in period. This is what I suggest. Do not drive your car hard until you actually have the oil changed. This "mock" oil that is used to help break-in your engine can't take the temperatures as well, thus hurting your engine. So, change the oil to regular oil at 1000 miles if you plan on driving it hard after that. If you are poor and don't want to spend the extra $20, then wait until 3000 miles, and then do it. Your car should be way past "breaking-in" at that point. Just please, I beg you, don't run your car hard until your first oil change. The timeframe in which that happens is really up to you.

I have never heard of "break in" oil. If this was the case, then there would be big signs posted in the car about changing the break in oil. I have had 3 brand new cars and never heard of such. Also the manual indicates nothing of the sort. I would suggest people talk to their service people about this and report back. If majority indicate there is a break in oil, then I have learned a new one and will change.

Kevin

The xB's service schedule recommends oil changes every 5K miles, not 3.

Yeah...I have a 2002 Toyota Corolla S right now and I'm supposed to change the oil every 5,000 miles, as is every Toyota. Wouldn't Scion be the same?

- Desi

break in oil....lololol

actually some Honda's have a "break in" oil- with scion- just change it every 3-5 k

ride it hard for the first 20 miles then change out the "break in" oil.
the oil in the car when you get it is dino oil plus other greases like cam lube.

running it longer is not good.

There must not be many mechanics on this board because this statement is true. The initial oil in a new motor is called break-in oil and needs to be changed before a typical oil change should occur. You guys who are laughing go on ahead and keep it in your car. Personally I will be changing mine (by myself mind you) at 1k miles, 3k miles and every 2.5k-3k thereafter.

There must not be many mechanics on this board because this statement is true. The initial oil in a new motor is called break-in oil and needs to be changed before a typical oil change should occur. You guys who are laughing go on ahead and keep it in your car. Personally I will be changing mine (by myself mind you) at 1k miles, 3k miles and every 2.5k-3k thereafter.

exactly....there is "break-in" oil in every new vehicle....this is true...

im gonna use Mobil 1 5W30 synthetic and my first oil change will be at exactly 1K miles then another oil change at 3K and every 3K after that.....i guess u could say im gonna baby this car a lil much :D

it's not special oil...it's oil with other additives. do you think they would make you drive around for 5k miles with bad oil in the car? they would require that you change the oil if it was needed, the car is warranteed after all.


some paranoid people on here

As I said before, if the tC had to have the oil change at the first 1000 miles, then why does the owner's manual say 5000? You can rest assured that if it had to be changed at 1000 there would be more signs than there are VIN #s put on the car telling us to change so we would not ruin our engines.

BTW, I will call my Scion service department and get their take and write back.

Kevin

I have my oil changes, tires, and air filters paid for for the next 6 years with my dealership. It costs a little extra, but when you factor in the costs of that other stuff on your own... you end up saving a ton of money.

As for me? I'm following the Maint Book to the "T". Whatever the book says, I'm doing it and it's all being done at the dealership and being documented. When it comes time to sell a car, if your maint log is pristine, and you are one owner... your car keeps a TON of it's value. Not to mention... if these cars go up 2-3k in price next year like many predict... this first year tC will be even worth more value when it comes time to sell in 4-5 years.

ride it hard for the first 20 miles then change out the "break in" oil.
the oil in the car when you get it is dino oil plus other greases like cam lube.

running it longer is not good.

There must not be many mechanics on this board because this statement is true. The initial oil in a new motor is called break-in oil and needs to be changed before a typical oil change should occur. You guys who are laughing go on ahead and keep it in your car. Personally I will be changing mine (by myself mind you) at 1k miles, 3k miles and every 2.5k-3k thereafter.

You do not have to change the oil at 1k. Not all manufacturers do things the same way. 5k for heavy duty driving 7.5 k for light duty

As promised, I talked to Scion service and there is NO break in oil. They recommend changing every 3000 to 4000 miles (depending on your driving habits).

Kevin

What about the break in gas?

Oh god... new engines when manyfactured are sprayed with cosmolin to prevent metal shavings and the like from collecting... there is no break in oil in the car. The cars come equipped with the standard toyota 10W30 oil... older cars prior to the 90's did have a break in period and some other manufacturers still do...

I know cause I am a service advisor from a toyota dealer and I just showed my techs this post about "break in oil" and they all laughed, so yes there are some mechanics on this board. Keep the recommended schedule or whatever your comfortable with.

We get 3 free oil changes at my dealership.

forget that, i'll do my own L;O;F; (lube, oil, filter) thank you very MUCH!!!

i'll change the oil at 500 miles then at 2500, then every 3000 miles or 3 months which ever comes first, really id it every 3 months (ie: first day of every season :D ) thats just me though...

What about the break in gas?

lmfao

the real time to change the oil is when its black like coffee lol thats when you really need to change your oil lol

And Remember that you should also check your oil everytime you get gas... some oil consumption will occure with any cars and keeping the proper levels is important. Having a quart of two in the car at all times is never a bad idea...

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You do not have to change the oil at 1k. Not all manufacturers do things the same way. 5k for heavy duty driving 7.5 k for light duty

Never said you had to at 1k miles, just that I would. :D

Oh god... new engines when manyfactured are sprayed with cosmolin to prevent metal shavings and the like from collecting... there is no break in oil in the car. The cars come equipped with the standard toyota 10W30 oil... older cars prior to the 90's did have a break in period and some other manufacturers still do...

I know cause I am a service advisor from a toyota dealer and I just showed my techs this post about "break in oil" and they all laughed, so yes there are some mechanics on this board. Keep the recommended schedule or whatever your comfortable with.

I think that a lot of guys are getting the impression a few of us are stating that there is a break-in oil in the motor like it's a brand or certain type of oil...all that "break-in oil" infers is that the first amount of oil in a new engine is subject to a lot of crap what with a new engine breaking in and having additives and other bits floating in it. It is whatever brand oil Toyota put in the motor and I'm sure it's lovely stuff, but my new motor will have new oil in it tommorow to flush ANYTHING out that might be there from the motor breaking in. I am glad your "techs" find the post amusing...do they also change air in their tires on a regular basis so it does not get old? :lol:

Man this is a funny thread! :lol:

i am low on blinker fluid what do you reccomend? anyone using HID fluid?

Oh god... new engines when manyfactured are sprayed with cosmolin to prevent metal shavings and the like from collecting... there is no break in oil in the car. The cars come equipped with the standard toyota 10W30 oil... older cars prior to the 90's did have a break in period and some other manufacturers still do...

I know cause I am a service advisor from a toyota dealer and I just showed my techs this post about "break in oil" and they all laughed.....

1. Cosmoline is sprayed on the OUTSIDE of the engine and chassis for rust prevention. It is NOT sprayed inside and NOT used to 'prevent metal shavings'.

2. The Scions use 5W30, not 10W30.

3. The Scion most certainly has a break-in period. Read the manual. The manual tells you to vary your speed and avoid hard acceleration during break-in.

I have no idea if what you're saying about the break-in oil is right or not... but judging by your other assertions, you'll have to excuse me if I'm a little skeptical, Mr. Service Advisor. :roll:

i'm getting my free 1000 mile checkup, but no oil change. this is real life, not gran turismo...that $20 is more $$$ to scion. dealerships make more money on their service departments than on selling cars. since they have you in there for a freebie, they are trying to get some $$$ out of you at least to cover costs


I have 3 oil changes for free the sticker on my frond windshield say 5000 :roll: hmmmmmmm

I was also told there was no break in oil from the dealership when I bought my box, and that I should just change the oil every 5,000 miles or four to five months whichever I chose to do...

My Lava is just about at the 3,000 mile mark right now so I'll be heading in to get it done in a day or two becasue even though it's only at 3,000 mles I've had it almost five months :D

HAPPY DRIVING!!!

DAN

The oil used from new is not special, it's called break-in because it's the first oil in the life of the engine. It is just cheap insurance to get that stuff out after 1K miles though, I just did and ran it through a screen and found all kinds of break-in goodies ie metal particles.And 1K miles is a good time to switch over to moble 1 if thats what your gonna do. thats just me. :)

Oh god... new engines when manyfactured are sprayed with cosmolin to prevent metal shavings and the like from collecting... there is no break in oil in the car. The cars come equipped with the standard toyota 10W30 oil... older cars prior to the 90's did have a break in period and some other manufacturers still do...

I know cause I am a service advisor from a toyota dealer and I just showed my techs this post about "break in oil" and they all laughed.....

1. Cosmoline is sprayed on the OUTSIDE of the engine and chassis for rust prevention. It is NOT sprayed inside and NOT used to 'prevent metal shavings'.

2. The Scions use 5W30, not 10W30.

3. The Scion most certainly has a break-in period. Read the manual. The manual tells you to vary your speed and avoid hard acceleration during break-in.

I have no idea if what you're saying about the break-in oil is right or not... but judging by your other assertions, you'll have to excuse me if I'm a little skeptical, Mr. Service Advisor. :roll:

:lol: :lol:

Me personally, i ran the hell out of my engine for the first 20 miles, then drove it regularly for the next 180. At 200, out with the old oil ( which was black as midnight ) and in with new dino oil and new filter. When i hit 1200 miles, out with the dino oil ( again black oil ) and in went Mobil 1 5W30, agian, with a new filter... the Pure 1 with the blue cover. Now im set till 6200 miles. From there, it will be an oil change every 6K miles with filter. This is the way i do things, dont like it, dont post about it.

And just so you know, i have no noise from under the hood, and excelleration is great, even with the AC on and having an automatic.

I'm gonna drive it like there was no tomorrow for the first 20-30 miles, then take it a little bit easier and varying RPM's and gears up to 50, and then first oil change. Then drive it more, varying RPM's, gears, second oil change 100. third oil change no 500. fourth on 1,500. Fifth 3,000. Every 3,000-5,000 after that.

Any Dealer Service people here?

Do you use the required, as per manual 5W30 for the 1NZFE (not sure what the 2AZFE slurps) or 10W30? Toyota service facilities around my area are notorious for using 10W30. It's been okay with my former Toyota's (use either 5W or 10W as per manual). But this is my first Toyota that actually states in the manual NOT to use 10W30.

the real time to change the oil is when its black like coffee lol thats when you really need to change your oil lol

Not to single you out hornet, but I have heard this same thing on several instances. Color of the oil has no direct effect on the oil's ability to lubricate.

If it did, you would have to change the oil in diesel engines every few hours - days.

The only true indicator of an oils "quality" is to have an oil analysis done. Most labs charge around $10-15 to do an analysis. Obviously, this would be a waste of money for dino oil, but it is highly recommended when using extended drain interval oil such as AMSOIL (my choice) or Royal Purple.

My "routine" has always been to change at 500, 1500 (using dino oil) and then at 3000 with synthetic. After that, I use extended drain intervals of AMSOIL and change at 25,000 miles, with a filter change and top off at 12,500 miles.

I haven't decided what routine I will use with my box. With the smaller engine, I am sure I will use AMSOIL synthetic, but I haven't decided on drain intervals as yet.

I"m start brake in my tC at 500m, 1km will be oil change for me.
Mobile 1 syn. 10/30

testing testing testing my tC :D, can't wait to hit 1km so my turbo can be install.

1st Gear 5krpm 25miles
2nd Gear 5krpm 43miles
3rd Gear 5krpm 65miles
4th Gear 5krpm 85miles
5th Gear 4.5krpm 98miles

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