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Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:57 AM
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is their any way a street legal tC can hit 12's??? if so how
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 05:55 AM
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Well NOT with a car in California and probably not anywhere else either. So the short answer is NO!!!
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 08:27 AM
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depending on the state you live in if you turbo the car and replace both cats with high flow cats, make sure you don't have and cel's, and just make sure it runs correctly you might be able to get it passed in an inspection station. not saying it will be 100% street legal but you might get by.

not all states have cops that are literate when it comes to cars. some areas in maryland you can get away with alot. i have a couple friends with high 10sec. civics that they drive all the time on the streets. they don't get harrased. as long as they behave themselves...lol.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 08:30 AM
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street legal....nope run 12's and still drive to the super market....yup u just gotta stay cool ;)
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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in my area it would be possible...not really hard to make anything street legal here, as long as it is in one piece

12's is pushing it, but with an LSD, good tires, internals(all of them u can possibly replace), turbo at about 16-20 PSI

just depends on where ur at
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 06bspTCkid
is their any way a street legal tC can hit 12's??? if so how
Ofcourse it is... you just have to have the right company under the hood, read this.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=128351
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OuterHeaven
Well NOT with a car in California and probably not anywhere else either. So the short answer is NO!!!

MikeScion best run 12.7 Daily driven, I'm next.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ProshopXB
Originally Posted by 06bspTCkid
is their any way a street legal tC can hit 12's??? if so how
Ofcourse it is... you just have to have the right company under the hood, read this.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=128351


Damn Skippy..
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by OuterHeaven
Well NOT with a car in California and probably not anywhere else either. So the short answer is NO!!!

MikeScion best run 12.7 Daily driven, I'm next.

meeee tooooo
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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Not to put controversy, but he said STREET LEGAL. The turbokit pushing that car to 12"s is not street legal. NO TURBO KIT IS STREET LEGAL.

So the answer is no. Unless you could find away to make the supercharger hit 12's without removing the stock header, or changing the exhuast. Unfortunatly, I dont think 12's are coming out of the supercharger without ALOT of work.
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Not to put controversy, but he said STREET LEGAL. The turbokit pushing that car to 12"s is not street legal. NO TURBO KIT IS STREET LEGAL.

So the answer is no. Unless you could find away to make the supercharger hit 12's without removing the stock header, or changing the exhuast. Unfortunatly, I dont think 12's are coming out of the supercharger without ALOT of work.


Do not confuse yourself with Street Legal, and Carb Legal. NO turbo kit is Carb legal. ALL turbo kits are Street Legal....

Again, the answer to the question is YES.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by unvdistc
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by OuterHeaven
Well NOT with a car in California and probably not anywhere else either. So the short answer is NO!!!

MikeScion best run 12.7 Daily driven, I'm next.

meeee tooooo



With all you have, dude, you probably could miss a gear and still hit 12's. You would need to be a hella crappy driver to NOT hit a 12 in your car...lol

Not to mention, your ZPI powered too...
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Not to put controversy, but he said STREET LEGAL. The turbokit pushing that car to 12"s is not street legal. NO TURBO KIT IS STREET LEGAL.

So the answer is no. Unless you could find away to make the supercharger hit 12's without removing the stock header, or changing the exhuast. Unfortunatly, I dont think 12's are coming out of the supercharger without ALOT of work.


Do not confuse yourself with Street Legal, and Carb Legal. NO turbo kit is Carb legal. ALL turbo kits are Street Legal....

Again, the answer to the question is YES.
Not true. a car that has a catylitic converter removed becomes illegal for street use. Made for off road use only. So yes it is illegal for the street. A car that is not carb legal, wont get an inspection sticker. A car without an inspection sticker, is NOT street legal. Yes there are ways around it. But the answer is no it is not street legal.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:21 PM
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Here it is: States the car will fail inspection making it not legal for street use.

Can I legally replace an emissions sensitive part on my car with an aftermarket product?

In the state of California, it is not legal to replace an emissions sensitive device without the replacement part having an exemption from CARB. Although replacing a particular device might have no apparent effect on the emissions, and the car might even pass a tail pipe "smog-check", the replacement part is still not considered emissions legal. In many cases, the mandatory visual inspection of the vehicle prior to an official state required smog-check may result in immediate failure of the test if a non-exempt part is identified.

A part that has been issued a CARB exemption has been subjected to strict laboratory testing as required by CARB in order to demonstrate that the replacement part will not increase emissions. (These tests are NOT the same as the "smog check" test and often require "cold start" testing procedures in order to test the efficiency of the emissions system during the initial seconds of the start-up cycle.) A part that has successfully passed these tests will be appointed an Executive Order number and will be listed on the CARB website for reference. Every Executive Order part or modification has an assigned number that can be verified by Smog Check stations, BAR Referee stations, or by the ARB. This number should be displayed on or near the emissions sensitive part for reference by a smog check technician.


http://www.racingbeat.com/emissions.htm
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:22 PM
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Here is the word on High flow cats:

Can I replace the OEM catalytic converter on my car with a "high flow" catalytic converter?

The catalytic converter plays a major role in the emissions reduction of a motor vehicle. The vehicle manufacturer has matched a specific catalytic converter to the vehicle to minimize emissions output. Both CARB and the EPA do not allow the replacement of a catalytic converter with non-exempt "high flow" performance replacement unit. In fact, it is technically not legal to even replace a converter unless it has been proven by technician to have failed, and then it can only be replaced with an exempt OEM equivalent unit. (However, enforcement of this requirement is almost non-existent and is the primary loop-hole that allows the usage of so-called "high flow" catalytic converters. Many of these units are sold with the disclaimer as being a "race" component and are not intended for street use.) Due to the hundreds of vehicle models produced over the years, it is virtually impossible to determine by glancing under a car whether the converter is the original unit, a legal OEM replacement, or a non-legal aftermarket "high flow" performance unit. Unless CARB or the EPA decide to take more aggressive enforcement action, the installation and usage of these non-exempt "high flow" catalytic converters will likely continue.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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So its not thought that is just for California. Here is PAs laws:

Provided that the make and model year of the vehicle would have originally been equipped with the device, you will fail a vehicle for inspection if one or more of the following apply:

The catalytic converter has been removed, disconnected or is the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration. Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve has been removed, disconnected or is the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration.
Positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) valve has been removed, disconnected or is the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration.
Fuel inlet restrictor has been removed, disconnected or is the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration.
Air pump has been removed, disconnected or the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration.
Evaporative control system components have been removed, disconnected or are the wrong type for the certified vehicle configuration.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 04:23 PM
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in some states it is possible...thats what everyone is stating....high-flow cats are legal here, hell no cats is legal(i tihnk....if not i have 3 illegal vehicles in my front yard...oh and btw, those were not exhaust jobs done in the backyard, they were real shops that did that)

it all depends on how strict the laws are...CARB is unherd of in WV, as for other higher traffic states i do not know...i cant tell you how many open header trucks and cars there are around here...most are v-8s, but i still here some 6's and 4's opened up completely.

just depends on the area..i could do nearly anything to a car and keep it legal in MYstate... as for others, i do not know
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 04:34 PM
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it can be street legal in flordia but to run a 12 is alot of work and money
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 04:39 PM
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I am sure there are the states where its legal. i was just pointing out that if there are emissions laws, then no its not legal.
I found a website that lists tint laws for all 50 states, they should have one for emissions laws.
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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well i am not here to argue laws...But my silver car has a tv in it stereo system insurance registration and 12 second time slips from KY, OH, and FL

It is very street legal. it does not have a cat but half the STi and EVOs of the world do not either.

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...ando_12_52_2nd

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g..._orlando_12_49

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...scionvmaserati

We have been in the 12's with 100% street cars for over a year. Here is a video from a year ago with a car with no more mods than. tires. stage 1 kit, clutch, s-techs

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...ideos/ZPI2.wmv



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