for those of you on yoursciontc.com know my mods, and know what i ran last sunday.....


Well i was on my way home from dropping off some things at my new condo when i see a black streak fly past as i was getting on the 280 going back down to san jose. as i get up to freeway speeds, i see that its a new SI, and i must say its looked damn sexy. all black w/ gloss black wheels and black tint and exhaust. well i get behind him in 5th, and the guy in fron of him got out of the fast lane, and then i noticed a lil black smoke come from his exhaust, i though "downshift" so i quickly figured out what was going on, so i to went to 4th. the verdict was clear form the gate....he wasnt going ANYWHERE on me, topped out 4th then slammed 5th

(BTW: i just want to say i usually dont like to street race, but i couldnt resist this time, ESPECIALLY after reading the crap the ALAS posted up what the clubSI forum was saying about the TC today) ANYWAY, slammed 5th, and started pulling up to his bumper slightly, then a lil more.... we both let off, and got onto 101 (yes i know 101 is notorious for cops) BUT when we merge onto 101 from the on ramp (i was in 3rd) we went at it again. slamming to 4th, then to 5th.... i kept creeping up on him like i was a assasin getting ready to use a strangle wire.... well we both decided to let it go, and he was a good sport, when i got off at my 85 exit, he waved a thumbs up and smiled and was on his way... i got the satisfaction of knowing that i can easily run with a new SI, and finally putting this debate to rest...

Moving this to the "autosports & technique" forum.

nice work, thanks for lettin them know out there.

side view mirrors should read....

warning tc in mirror is getting larger as it appears.

Yah, with your mods (ones listed in your profile) you are in range to stay with or slightly behind a new non modded SI. Depending on the other driver.

I like the look of your car man, sleeper for sure. good job lettin' him know that Scion owners don't all f*ck around

send the message. :bow:

Can you link me to some of the ClubSI threads that you speak off?

Deffinetly link us to them, I would love to check it out.

I can't wait to run next to an SI with my new setup... just spank the guy.... :P If his windows are up, he'd never know... windows down... BOV and Wastegate are the only things that give me away.

I sleep well...

here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13691
here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13725
and here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12856

here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13691
here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13725
and here: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12856



I was asking for links to ClubSI of them talking crap about the tC...not pics of your car...LOL. But since I seen your car, I would like to know where you ordered the CF sheets for the interior from? I have the TRD Sparks C/F dash trim, but I'm liking the RAW look of yours better.

But yes, if you can point me to where they are talking about the tC on the SI forum, I would appreciate it.

http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13739
lol sorry bro..... oh also, gabe (stylis) has these sheets..... iordered the SILVER sheet from him this week, and im going to be doing my rear section on the hatch (right above the license plate... it will look SICK!!!!

http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13739
lol sorry bro..... oh also, gabe (stylis) has these sheets..... iordered the SILVER sheet from him this week, and im going to be doing my rear section on the hatch (right above the license plate... it will look SICK!!!!


Cool. I couldn't do the outside with the stuff, as it would not match the C/F fenders and C/F hood (as they are clear coated, and look more glossy). What's the going price on the goods?

$60 for a 9" x25" sheet and $85 for one twice as large

$60 for a 9" x25" sheet and $85 for one twice as large


That's not bad, I will be looking into some.

Thanks mang

So you have I/E/H and s pipe and you can creep away from a Si and the driver could have been bad....you don't know. Doesn't end any debate really, imho

So you have I/E/H and s pipe and you can creep away from a Si and the driver could have been bad....you don't know. Doesn't end any debate really, imho


Ummm...driver or no driver, I am pretty confident a tC with I/E/H will creep away from a 2006 Si in stock form. Not by a lot, but it should result in a tC victory.

original poster mentioned the SI had an exhaust too.. so if this were true, my set up of CAI, s pipe, catback, crank pulley, and unichip should also keep me running with a stock SI??

original poster mentioned the SI had an exhaust too.. so if this were true, my set up of CAI, s pipe, catback, crank pulley, and unichip should also keep me running with a stock SI??


with that setup, you should be able to pull away from it.

original poster mentioned the SI had an exhaust too.. so if this were true, my set up of CAI, s pipe, catback, crank pulley, and unichip should also keep me running with a stock SI??


with that setup, you should be able to pull away from it.

sweet, never tried a new SI.. thought theyd be alot quicker

original poster mentioned the SI had an exhaust too.. so if this were true, my set up of CAI, s pipe, catback, crank pulley, and unichip should also keep me running with a stock SI??


with that setup, you should be able to pull away from it.

sweet, never tried a new SI.. thought theyd be alot quicker


They are fairly quick. You won't win by much, but you should win nonetheless (if you can drive decently that is).

wow....that is sad......

this makes me feel sorry for some people...tC's are soo freaking heavy.....

I've ran one with both me and him stock, trust me, its a drivers race hands down. Though I only managed to beat him cause of driver error, the tc and si will always be an endless battle cause the are so closely knited! And that to me is always interesting to watch.......

So you have I/E/H and s pipe and you can creep away from a Si and the driver could have been bad....you don't know. Doesn't end any debate really, imho

It was a freeway the driver isnt exactly a big factor at all in this case.

CONGRATS on the race!

man..those guys just become more and more jerks as you go on down the list...i know tC owners are as arrogant at times(self included) as others, but these guys are just piling on top of each other.....thats y i'm glad i am not put into that category

I've ran one with both me and him stock, trust me, its a drivers race hands down. Though I only managed to beat him cause of driver error, the tc and si will always be an endless battle cause the are so closely knited! And that to me is always interesting to watch.......

But look at it this way (cuz NO ONE ever does) we are keeping up pretty damn good with our stock tC's against a HIGH PERFORMANCE edition vehicle. I think the tC is a fun car and a good tuner car with the right mods.

wow....that is sad......

this makes me feel sorry for some people...tC's are soo freaking heavy.....


FYI the 2006 Civic SI weighs as much as the tC does.

It was a freeway the driver isnt exactly a big factor at all in this case.



I politely beg to differ. The driver is always a big factor when racing. Even if it's a long sweeping interchange, the car-driver interaction plays a major role. :P

It was a freeway the driver isnt exactly a big factor at all in this case.



I politely beg to differ. The driver is always a big factor when racing. Even if it's a long sweeping interchange, the car-driver interaction plays a major role. :P

True but nothing like a race from a dead stop.

wow....that is sad......

this makes me feel sorry for some people...tC's are soo freaking heavy.....


FYI the 2006 Civic SI weighs as much as the tC does.Doesn't the SI have 190+hp?

congrats

Yah the SI has 200 crank hp. Its been stated even in this thread the SI is a faster car stock for stock and even with all of the NA mods (aside from upgraded head) the SI with exhaust would be a drivers race.

Yah the SI has 200 crank hp. Its been stated even in this thread the SI is a faster car stock for stock and even with all of the NA mods (aside from upgraded head) the SI with exhaust would be a drivers race.


Correct, they are rated at 197hp @ crank, and a nice low 130ftlbs of tq....

what about @ the wheels?

what about @ the wheels?


Guy I know has an 06 Si with I/H/E. Said he dynoed 200whp and 140wtq.

Their advantage is gear ratio and LSD.

ahh ok

:clap:

ahh ok


On a road course, they have better Stock vs. Stock suspension than us as well. But how often are you on a road course going around corners.

But I'm a firm believer in that once you start modding a car, it's all fair game. Run whatcha Brung!

ahh ok


On a road course, they have better Stock vs. Stock suspension than us as well. But how often are you on a road course going around corners.

But I'm a firm believer in that once you start modding a car, it's all fair game. Run whatcha Brung!that's right man...If I added a turbo i/h/e theres a lot of GTstang owners around here embarassed as hell :wink: :come: not to mention some STi guys that would gain respect.

umm you cant have a turbo and a header and a intake.... plus i doubt a XA will ever gain respect from a STI... you will never make 300 hp out of that 1.5....not being a dick, just realistic

Well turbo kits typically include their own header+intake. If he put on a turbo kit and ran a little nitrous it would be one pretty quick xA!

Well turbo kits typically include their own header+intake. If he put on a turbo kit and ran a little nitrous it would be one pretty quick xA!


It would be in the 13's for sure. BlownxA had the Blitz S/C and a 25/30 shot, and he was running 14 flat.

Escpecially if he gutted that bad boy and can drive it real good with good tires.

congrats on the race man,
i just read this whole thread and i think its just strange how some of the people on here says that you can just put a few bolt-ons and it becomes a driver's race vs. an 06 si. however, (according to the N/A sections of THIS site) vs. an rsx ppl are saying you have to be f/i or upgrade the internals to compare. aren't the rsx somewhat equivalent to an 06 si? similar (not exact) motor, tranny, and weight. not calling BS or anything, but a few of you on this posted that stock for stock its a driver's race?? curious :eyebrow:

oh, and sleepers ftw!

But look at it this way (cuz NO ONE ever does) we are keeping up pretty damn good with our stock tC's against a HIGH PERFORMANCE edition vehicle. I think the tC is a fun car and a good tuner car with the right mods.
i don't think the SI nor my rsx is anywhere near a "high performance" vehicle
its just a gas saving / sport compact car that takes me from point A to point B

but a few of you on this posted that stock for stock its a driver's race?? curious :eyebrow:


Those few, are not very informed on such things.

but a few of you on this posted that stock for stock its a driver's race?? curious :eyebrow:


Those few, are not very informed on such things.
i'll say :nope:
theres a handful of respectable gearheads on here
but the major are delusional :eyes:

tC's aren't even close to the Celicas they replacedwow. i sure hope he is talking about a gts. cause i murdered a celica gt one night. haha o well. good kill. we have a thing called torque.

tC's aren't even close to the Celicas they replacedwow. i sure hope he is talking about a gts. cause i murdered a celica gt one night. haha o well. good kill. we have a thing called torque.
i wish we had that good thing :nope:

lol ill take a 8200 redline over torque. but thats just me being dumb haha.

lol ill take a 8200 redline over torque. but thats just me being dumb haha.mine is alittle special, 8600 redline :shock:
not really much point for us to have a lot of torque since we are in vtec about 97% of the time in a race

umm you cant have a turbo and a header and a intake.... plus i doubt a XA will ever gain respect from a STI... you will never make 300 hp out of that 1.5....not being a dick, just realisticWho needs 300hp when you've got AWD (JDM option) and about 1000lbs under the weight (stock vs. stock). Also, you don't need to beat someone for them to gain respect. All you have to do is keep up better than they expect you to. And just so you know, I beat a WRX (not sure about STi) on the freeway, and all I have for mods are,

I don't claim to beat the car, I did however beat the driver.

Also, I know a guy that is only about 60hp from a drivers race with a STI.

He must have had some heavy wheels

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/personal/28322_4.jpg



Poop stain? :rofl: I couldn't resist. I apologize :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWc3TW47zl8&mode=related&search=
end of the story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWc3TW47zl8&mode=related&search=
end of the story


That wasn't even a stock SI.

fujita short ram intake, hondata intake manifold gasket

not sure how much gains were had from that, as I'm not into the whole VTEC crowd.

rhythm is there any vid of yours that has civic SIs involved in it? the new SIs.

rhythm is there any vid of yours that has civic SIs involved in it? the new SIs.

yeah, but I don't know if I can find it. let me see...

well, it was uploaded to putfile, but apparently it's not working any more... :evil:

fujita short ram intake, hondata intake manifold gasket
not sure how much gains were had from that, as I'm not into the whole VTEC crowd.
yeah, not much from those
short ram being the weakest gain in intake form, maybe 2-3 whp
hondata img only replaces your old gasket between the header and the head
keeps the engine a few degrees cooler so, what is that like 1-2 whp i guess
you can't even feel the difference, its mostly just a piece of mind

fujita short ram intake, hondata intake manifold gasket
not sure how much gains were had from that, as I'm not into the whole VTEC crowd.
yeah, not much from those
short ram being the weakest gain in intake form, maybe 2-3 whp
hondata img only replaces your old gasket between the header and the head
keeps the engine a few degrees cooler so, what is that like 1-2 whp i guess
you can't even feel the difference, its mostly just a piece of mind


and exactly how much would someone spend on roughly 5whp?

fujita short ram intake, hondata intake manifold gasket
not sure how much gains were had from that, as I'm not into the whole VTEC crowd.
yeah, not much from those
short ram being the weakest gain in intake form, maybe 2-3 whp
hondata img only replaces your old gasket between the header and the head
keeps the engine a few degrees cooler so, what is that like 1-2 whp i guess
you can't even feel the difference, its mostly just a piece of mind

actually its an intake manifold gasket not a header gasket, not saying it might make a bigger difference but just to correct u

fujita short ram intake, hondata intake manifold gasket
not sure how much gains were had from that, as I'm not into the whole VTEC crowd.
yeah, not much from those
short ram being the weakest gain in intake form, maybe 2-3 whp
hondata img only replaces your old gasket between the header and the head
keeps the engine a few degrees cooler so, what is that like 1-2 whp i guess
you can't even feel the difference, its mostly just a piece of mind


and exactly how much would someone spend on roughly 5whp?
img is about 50 bucks and the short ram i think about 200 without installation

actually its an intake manifold gasket not a header gasket, not saying it might make a bigger difference but just to correct u oops, my mistake
i was thinking of something else
you are correct sir

Just to be real... it won't ever be settled. Soon there will be a stock SI guy claiming to have pummeled a well modded TC. It just goes in circles.

1/8mile... :rofl:

He must have had some heavy wheelsStock wheels, mild traffic

Moving this to the "autosports & technique" forum.

why would you move it here.. street racing isn't an auto sport.

lame. :yawn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWc3TW47zl8&mode=related&search=
end of the story

that shows a Si going 10.14, when stock I was pulling 9.94... that proves nothing. Could be a bad tC driver. With a passenger in my car I pulled a 10.12.

alright guys
my best friend have a new civic si and whenever we go at it he always wins

from a complete stop my car pulls all the way to 2nd gear
then he flys by me with vtec everywhere

and my car is completly stock btw =/

alright guys
my best friend have a new civic si and whenever we go at it he always wins

from a complete stop my car pulls all the way to 2nd gear
then he flys by me with vtec everywhere

and my car is completly stock btw =/lol at vtec everywhere :silly:
they are nice cars out of the box
now i don't know if its a k motor thing, but race him again in about 2 months or so
i've owned 2 type-s' and my cousin owns a 07 si and everytime after the car is broken in i would get on it (hard)
it just doesn't feel fast
however, a couple of months down its lifespan
it seems to pick up better
v-tec gets louder
idk, maybe its in my head

I guess you're experiencing the only downside of a smaller, high-rev'ing motor...

The fear sets in much later in the powerband... when you start thinking... "wow, i'm really going fast now!"

With a big V8, you could stomp the pedal down at 1500rpm and put the fear of god in your passengers, thats if the tires hook up.

But look at it this way (cuz NO ONE ever does) we are keeping up pretty damn good with our stock tC's against a HIGH PERFORMANCE edition vehicle. I think the tC is a fun car and a good tuner car with the right mods.
i don't think the SI nor my rsx is anywhere near a "high performance" vehicle
its just a gas saving / sport compact car that takes me from point A to point B


i think SO-CAL_TC was trying to say trim level wise, the RSX type-S is pretty much the "high performance" version of a US RSX, likewise for the Civic Si. or how a Toyota Corolla XRS would be the high performance version of a Corolla.

if im not mistaken, the Scion tC has a uni trim, or is the trd s/c the high performance edition?

i like Scion's i was thinking of getting an xA, something small and easy to zip around in a congested city.

^^ correct. Scion tC = 1 trim.

S/C'er doesn't count as a trim level.

But look at it this way (cuz NO ONE ever does) we are keeping up pretty damn good with our stock tC's against a HIGH PERFORMANCE edition vehicle. I think the tC is a fun car and a good tuner car with the right mods.
i don't think the SI nor my rsx is anywhere near a "high performance" vehicle
its just a gas saving / sport compact car that takes me from point A to point B


i think SO-CAL_TC was trying to say trim level wise, the RSX type-S is pretty much the "high performance" version of a US RSX, likewise for the Civic Si. or how a Toyota Corolla XRS would be the high performance version of a Corolla.

if im not mistaken, the Scion tC has a uni trim, or is the trd s/c the high performance edition?

i like Scion's i was thinking of getting an xA, something small and easy to zip around in a congested city. You should get an xA I love mine, and it's a lot peppier than the box, but the xB does have a lot more a/m support.

Si's with i\h\e and a hondata reflash puts em at around 200 to the wheels. I don't think the tc wit the same bpu's can match dat with out a tune. Those k series engines are really good all motor. But if they wanna go 300 hp or more on boost or not, the engine needs to be rebuilt. That's where the 2az has an advantage and of course the torque. I've owned 3 civics and one with a fully built b16a all motor. Vtec on full swing is so sweet. Anyways, I just got my tc and only have around 2200 miles on it. Bought it to go boost.

Si's with i\h\e and a hondata reflash puts em at around 200 to the wheels. I don't think the tc wit the same bpu's can match dat with out a tune.


Of course

factory 197 hp High compression > factory 160 hp.

but you are correct...approach 300hp on boost and the High Compression motor starts to get sick... Need lower compression for that.

Si's with i\h\e and a hondata reflash puts em at around 200 to the wheels. I don't think the tc wit the same bpu's can match dat with out a tune.


Of course

factory 197 hp High compression > factory 160 hp.

but you are correct...approach 300hp on boost and the High Compression motor starts to get sick... Need lower compression for that.

hi rhythmnsmoke, i was wondering if you could go into more detail why approaching 300hp on boost on a high compression is bad, if you dont mind me asking. just a bit curious how it all works ^_^

Si's with i\h\e and a hondata reflash puts em at around 200 to the wheels. I don't think the tc wit the same bpu's can match dat with out a tune.


Of course

factory 197 hp High compression > factory 160 hp.

but you are correct...approach 300hp on boost and the High Compression motor starts to get sick... Need lower compression for that.

hi rhythmnsmoke, i was wondering if you could go into more detail why approaching 300hp on boost on a high compression is bad, if you dont mind me asking. just a bit curious how it all works ^_^


I am not that well versed on Compression ratios for motors and what not. But if you read a little, you will get a general understanding that when you want to go ALL-Motor, you will find a piston swap for something like 11:1, 12:1 etc..compression. High Compression is associated with All-Motor setups. Now I did not say you can't Boost a High compression motor. As there are some Si's with F/I on them. The Si motor is like 10:5 or 11:1 (can't remember off the top of my head) compression, where as the tC is 9.6:1. Lower compression allows you to safely turn up and handle more boost onto the motor. Being that we are already decently low compression, we can handle 300whp+ on the stock motor. Would be rather scary to try and do that with a higher compression motor such as the Kseries found in the Civic. Drop in 8:5.1 compression pistons, and you can handle even more boost.

Si's with i\h\e and a hondata reflash puts em at around 200 to the wheels. I don't think the tc wit the same bpu's can match dat with out a tune.


Of course

factory 197 hp High compression > factory 160 hp.

but you are correct...approach 300hp on boost and the High Compression motor starts to get sick... Need lower compression for that.

hi rhythmnsmoke, i was wondering if you could go into more detail why approaching 300hp on boost on a high compression is bad, if you dont mind me asking. just a bit curious how it all works ^_^


I am not that well versed on Compression ratios for motors and what not. But if you read a little, you will get a general understanding that when you want to go ALL-Motor, you will find a piston swap for something like 11:1, 12:1 etc..compression. High Compression is associated with All-Motor setups. Now I did not say you can't Boost a High compression motor. As there are some Si's with F/I on them. The Si motor is like 10:5 or 11:1 (can't remember off the top of my head) compression, where as the tC is 9.6:1. Lower compression allows you to safely turn up and handle more boost onto the motor. Being that we are already decently low compression, we can handle 300whp+ on the stock motor. Would be rather scary to try and do that with a higher compression motor such as the Kseries found in the Civic. Drop in 8:5.1 compression pistons, and you can handle even more boost.

thanks for the prompt response sir. i kinda i got he idea, so what youre basically saying is that a higher compression engine is already wound up tightly enough to boost it would be riskier, compared to a less compressed engine. is that right?

^^you are getting the gist of it.

Just remember

High Compression = Good for All Motor

Lower Compression = Good for F/I.

High compression pistons also have a high dome, which is not recommended for boost. I think honda motors should stay all motor.
They are amazing on boost but won't last long. Also costs too much money to build one. A tc wit a stage 0 is still cheeper than a new si.

^^And balls faster.

^^And balls faster.
Most definately a K-killah!

^^And balls faster.
Most definately a K-killah!


S2K killer too... :P