I am pretty sure from what we have been told that the xA is just going away. the xD is going to be a larger version of the current xB.

The 2008 xBb will be similar to the current concept t2B and come out early next year. Then the 2008 tC will be redesigned based on the concept Fuse. Then towards the middle of 2007 the xD will come out and be a larger version of the curren xB!

The xD replaces the xA. The xB replacement is supposed to be similar to the t2B but I am not sure if it will be the xB or some other name.

The xB design, seems to be rumors around, that it will still stay similiar/same, and have different powerplant options or such.... the xD replaces the xA.... we'll all find out, with pics and such, I believe in december... :tap:

The xD will actually be a re-designed vending machine.

It will run off quarters/dollars and the mileage will be based off the ammount of snacks or sodas you have stocked inside.

And you'd throw a CEL when a bag of chips gets stuck and doesn't make it to the engine.

And the biggest myth will be if stocking energy drinks will add HP...

Oh and JOLT will be the new NOS

I am pretty sure from what we have been told that the xA is just going away. the xD is going to be a larger version of the current xB.

That is really hard to believe. Why would they convert the discontinued xA into a larger xB??? Why go from big to bigger? It just doesnt make sense to me. The xD being the xA replacement and still staying as a considerable small hatch makes so much more sense. I'm really hoping you are wrong.

There was a picture in The Car Connection web page showing a highly-disguised hatchback running around in Michigan back in July. If you compare the picture of that disguised prototype with the picture of the Toyota Ractis "tall wagon" now on sale in Japan, you'll note from the B-pillar forward the car the two vehicles look almost EXACTLY the same.

This is why I think the new Scion xD is a car derived from the Ractis, but with the 1.8-liter 128 bhp (SAE 08/04 net) engine from the European Yaris TS sports hatchback and a somewhat diffrent tail design.

:no: :no: :no: the Yaris is Toyota's small car and the xA is basicly a 5 door yaris which toyota already builds for other markets so once the xA disappears the 5 door yaris will come to the us and the xD will be more like a pontiac Vibe or Matrix which will also disappear once the Corolla is redesigned

ok time to dispell some rummors.

The xD is the replacement for the xA. It will not be a larger version of the Xb.

However it will be a larger version of the xA and it will house a new power plant of a 1.8 litter engine.

The xB replacement has been design already and will be very simalar to the T2b, and it will support a new power plant as well. Being a 2.4 litter engine, that you can supper charge and possibly turbo charge.

Both the new xD and xB will share the same facia or grille as the tC,

The Fuse is still to be determined in how it will come out, it will either exist as a new line up in the Scion line or it could be the replacement for the tC in two years. The car will eventually come out in some form or another.

As of yet there is no prototype for any of the cars except for the Fuse and T2b, there only exist clay models of the new Xd and xB, there are no cars runnning around that have been produced by Toyota at this time that will resemble the new models.

Rumor has it the Photos of the new cars should be released sometime in either Late December or Early January. THey do not want to disturb the curent sales of Scions throughout the nation. So they are keeping things as quite as possible.

That is all the information as to this date that they would give us.

I have however seen the clay models and we were not aloud to take any pictures of them at this time.

The new Xb will be larger than the current model.

The xD will be larger as well, but not by much. Most of the space was dedcated to the interior of the car.

Victor,

I guess the information being passed out in each region is in conflict. At Cash Blast the CAT reps clearly stated the Fuse replaces the Tc towards the middle of next year. The xB and xA as we know them go away forever, the few 2006's should be exhausted by November. The bB (if that is what they call it) based on the t2B concetp car will show up February/March2007 and the xD as soon as they can release it. I guess when we see the xD then we can all determine what is replaces. I think it is better to just call it a new vehicle rather than a replacement. Same for the bB, it does not really replace the xB but offers a new vehicle as well.

you seem to be right there, but most of the information that I got was from the dealer reveal meeting in Texas this year where they had the new models on display in clay form. Unfortunatly I wish they would call it the bB, but I was told that they definatly could not call it that. Becasue it is a copy right infringment on the one they have in Japan.

and yes you are rightthey are not replacements they are in fact new models to the Scion line up.

And still they are not sure as to the disposition of the fuse I do know that for sure. I have been told by way up there that they have not yet decided yet but that yes the fuse is going to come out.

ANd of course as we all have found out that since this is Toyota anything will be yet to be seen and can change at any time

I guess the information being passed out in each region is in conflict. At Cash Blast the CAT reps clearly stated the Fuse replaces the Tc towards the middle of next year. The xB and xA as we know them go away forever, the few 2006's should be exhausted by November. The bB (if that is what they call it) based on the t2B concetp car will show up February/March2007 and the xD as soon as they can release it. I guess when we see the xD then we can all determine what is replaces. I think it is better to just call it a new vehicle rather than a replacement. Same for the bB, it does not really replace the xB but offers a new vehicle as well.

The info I've received tallies with yours.

There were also versions of the xD and new xB unveiled recently at the plant event in Texas, along with the Fuse, new Matrix, new Highlander, new Tundra...everything. Our GM came back and told us a bit about what he saw; not sure if any of you heard things from your GM.

yeah i heard the xb was gonna be 11 inches longer. with the 2.4 liter engine from the tc. the new xd was gonna get the 1.8 from the corolla. these seem normal since those are two of toyota'a largest production engines going into so many cars already. with proven reliablity and part availability.

That for all those details. What I missed in your comments was whether or not you liked what you saw with the two scion clay models. Its kinda of a three part question.

1) did you like what you saw compared to the current models.
2) did it match more or less what you expected or were you disappointed or pleasantly surprised
3) do you think they will be big sellers. This is different then #1 since you may not like something but think it will sell well anyway because everyone has different tastes

I'm assuming the 1.8L engine is the new DUAL VVT-i engine available on the soon to be release Yaris TS. The engine code probably wont be the 1ZZFE (current Corolla/Matrix engine).

That for all those details. What I missed in your comments was whether or not you liked what you saw with the two scion clay models. Its kinda of a three part question.

1) did you like what you saw compared to the current models.
2) did it match more or less what you expected or were you disappointed or pleasantly surprised
3) do you think they will be big sellers. This is different then #1 since you may not like something but think it will sell well anyway because everyone has different tastes



ok so to answer all the questions in one lump sum:
1) I loved what I saw in comparison to the current models, I fell that Scion once again has hit the nail on the head with the inovative designs.
2) it was a lot more than I expected. I was concerned with the thought of sharing similar grilles and how they were going to intigrate them within the various models.
It was done very tastfully, and I really like the addition space they are providing in the models of course mopst of it will be incorparated into passenger area, the new xD still is similar to our beloved xA, not a huge variance from what we are use to, just a much more aggressive stance, of course I could not see what htey had in micnd for the interiors.
3) I thin they will be huge sellers, They are uniquly designed just the way that Scion likes. There are far more things that you can do to these by the looks of them. The had a T shirt machine there that you could design your own graphice and have it printed on an iron on for a T shirt. That was really cool. It also alowed you to design and put on different accesories that are currently being thought of.

So in summary I do not think that there will be any dissapointment at all with the new models. And of course the Fuse is off the hook. I am excited to see what they will actually incorperate in the production model.

I just want to see what the xD will actually look like so I can decide to get the current xA or wait and get the xD.

I just want to see what the xD will actually look like so I can decide to get the current xA or wait and get the xD.Me too but my current car is slowly dying. Dunno what to do. :(

I just want to see what the xD will actually look like so I can decide to get the current xA or wait and get the xD.Me too but my current car is slowly dying. Dunno what to do. :(

I am in the EXACT same boat as you, my POS Buick is about to die, but I don't wan't to buy a new car untill I see the XD. I hope my curent car can hang on for a few more months.

^^^ Put it on an IV drip. Seriously tho, maybe get a cheap hoopty to get by for a few months for a few bills. I read they will be spilling the beans about the xD between Nov. and the end of Dec. This will let us know which way to go before the xA isn't an option any more. I really hate having to play these kinda games with Scion Corp. They did it first to me with the way they launched the xB.

^^^ Put it on an IV drip. Seriously tho, maybe get a cheap hoopty to get by for a few months for a few bills. I read they will be spilling the beans about the xD between Nov. and the end of Dec. This will let us know which way to go before the xA isn't an option any more. I really hate having to play these kinda games with Scion Corp. They did it first to me with the way they launched the xB.

The buick I have is a cheap hoopty, I bought it for $200 2 years ago, its my winter car. If this one does die, I REALLY don't want to drive my Fiero in the winter, I tried that a few years ago, never again will I do that.

It really is a shame how toyota leaves us in the dark about upcoming cars. I own a 92 civic with 185k...I REALLY dont want to put any more money into as the dealer already told me that they'll probably only give me 500 bucks for it. But if things come to worst, i'll be in struggle between the xA and Fit. I test drove the Fit and it really made an impression on me. The interior and the way it drove was super nice for its price range. I was thinking of maybe buying a new car and possibly trading it in if I really dig the xD. I suppose i'm willing to lose a couple grand....i think...eventhough it's not the smartest thing to do...

it's not really leaving anyone in the dark.. it's just they both want to surprise people and not to give out much information until things are really set in stone.

The xD will actually be a re-designed vending machine.

It will run off quarters/dollars and the mileage will be based off the ammount of snacks or sodas you have stocked inside.

And you'd throw a CEL when a bag of chips gets stuck and doesn't make it to the engine.

And the biggest myth will be if stocking energy drinks will add HP...

Oh and JOLT will be the new NOS

:rofl:

It really is a shame how toyota leaves us in the dark about upcoming cars. I own a 92 civic with 185k...I REALLY dont want to put any more money into as the dealer already told me that they'll probably only give me 500 bucks for it. But if things come to worst, i'll be in struggle between the xA and Fit. I test drove the Fit and it really made an impression on me. The interior and the way it drove was super nice for its price range. I was thinking of maybe buying a new car and possibly trading it in if I really dig the xD. I suppose i'm willing to lose a couple grand....i think...eventhough it's not the smartest thing to do...I know I'll prolly get flamed but, getting a Fit would not be a bad thing. If you really need a car NOW I say go for it. Trust your gut.

The site I found these pictures on says these are Chinese knockoffs, what do you think? It's tought to see the emblem in the pictures. Could these be the next two scions?


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I don't think that will be he new xA because it is rumored that it will have tC style headlights. That looks like a mix of xA and Yaris...not feelin it.

i hope they dont bring those over, they dont flow and are hideous

I've seen and sat in both the xD and new 08 xB. They are both sitting in an unmarked wearhouse at Toyota's Corporate Headquarters. I can't reveal who I was with but a TMS Executive allowed me to come along. However, no cameras were allowed.

I'll tell you all right now, these cars are kick ___. This new xB is 11.2 inches longer than current 06 model. Plus, its slightly shorter in height as well. This thing looks more like a low rider. In my opinion, the xD has a similar look to the Matrix but its bascially just a bulkier and longer xA with the 1.8L.

scionzone..... gotta look and do a little more research... don't believe anything that hollywood blogspot site says... it's worse than tabloids.

scion_cracker pretty hit the spot there... the new xB is a larger xB.. and the xD (xA replacement) is matrix looking.

I don't buy in to the idea that scion is just making two larger versions of the xA and xB. There has to be more evolution in the product to follow the philosophy of keeping the brand fresh. Most people buy these cars because of their smaller size. Going bigger might be a mistake. Why make a matrix looking xA when you have the matrix? I posted these pics to fuel discussion and speculation based on overseas market vehicles, not because I think these are future U.S. vehicles.

cause they can still sell it at a cheaper cost and maybe finally add in the sunroof as an option on many of these vehicles. don't forget the new xb is getting the 2.4 from the tc. so alot of parts are available from in house. same with the 1.8 out of the corolla alot of parts are already available. they're proven engines that also gives them an option of upping to the 1.8 2zz-ge in the new xd as an optional engine. the 1nz-fe was an economical engine but not the best for a tuner market honestly. not much is available. if you look the at the 2az-fe from the tc or the 1zz-fe from the corolla there are more parts already out.

Hmm...So far from the information that 've gathered on my own, combined with the information I have read here I can surmise this:
The xA WILL be replaced with the xD, based on the Corolla Platform, which I figured would be the next step. What I've been told is that one of the Scions WILL follow the original concept of Scion and be replaced after every 3 year run, to keep things refreshed. Obviously we all now know that is the xA. Now being replaced witht he xD. I wonder if they used the FT-SX design as a basis of the xD deign. I can see that look with tC head lights and grill, as earlier stated in this thread. Now I doubt that Toyota will use the Yaris TS Dual VVT-I engine, as that would mostlikely throw off the concept of the low price point of Scion. They will mostlikely use the new Dual VVT-i 1.8 in the New Corollas, and use the Current 1.8 VVT-i from the Corollas, seeing as there is an already existing TRD Supercharger for that engine.
The xB will be kept and follow a 3 year run "Evolution," the next, being the 08 model, on the Avensis (tC) Platform. Thus it will be more "t2Bish" Obviously having the larger platform will give it more room. I wonder if they will give this and/or the new xD the Matrix's AWD as a standard feature, seeing as how they're doing away with the AWD Matrix for 2007. That would really be something.
As for the tC, the tC will follow a Toyota 5yr run, and will also keep with the tC. The word in my region is that the tC will become more FUSE like in 2010, when the tC's next Evolutionary step is due to take place.
All this information already leads to the bigger, better, more powerful Scions I've heard, thus far. Other news is supposed to be guaranteed, such as more safety. I assume standard Side Air for 2008. I wonder, and am predicting 4 wheel disc brakes, Vehicle Stability Control and TRAC standard, as well...but I am only wishing. Oh, the xD and xB should be getting Cruise standard, as well.
Now, for those who have said they have sat or seen these vehicles, first off, lucky you if you did. secondly, if you can recall what you looked at, can there be any confirmation to what I have surmised?

i heard from my Scion dealer that they are going to be releasing a small SUV (Kinda like a version of the smaller Rav-4's). I dunno if this will be the xD, but i figured i would mention what i heard.

I sure hope Scion doesn't jump on the SUV bandwagon. That would be a BAD thing.

I doubt they'd be that stupid....

...I wonder will it be one of these two choices:

1) Based on the Toyota Ractis "tall wagon," but using the 130 bhp 1.8-liter I-4 from the Toyota Yaris sporting version that just started selling in Europe.

2) Based on the new JDM Toyota Corolla Fielder wagon, but with its own distinct body style and a new 140 bhp engine.

doubtful we'll get the 1.8 dual vvt-i egine that will most likely be in the new corolla the xd will most likely have the 1.8 single intake vvt-i.

I found a bad spy pic of the xb
http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=21390&postid=358653

What is this??????
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That's the Japaneese Toyota bB, it's not coming here.

xD is the new xA replacment.

just a lil bigger than the current xA

You know, I don't know, but what if it's the Celica's 1.8? I know that was an idea that was being tossed arround by Don Johnson, before he went to trucks. I was hoping that they'd do a 1.8L VVTi + L (Celica GT-S). I know the reason that that went bust was becaust the compartment wasn't the right size and shape to fit it, however the mountings of the currrent xA were compatible. curiouser and curiouser

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