I am looking to order a supercharger but am coming up with a blank. I have looked at the one from Blitz but I guess it hasn't come out yet. Their is also one from power enterprises but the rep told me and I quote, "they are on back order indefinently". What does that mean? Anyone have any other suggestions that I could look into. I would appreciate it.

I am looking to order a supercharger but am coming up with a blank. I have looked at the one from Blitz but I guess it hasn't come out yet. Their is also one from power enterprises but the rep told me and I quote, "they are on back order indefinently". What does that mean? Anyone have any other suggestions that I could look into. I would appreciate it.

The blitz kit is easy to find!!! The power enterprises kit, which should make more power (not really sure if it does), you can get at highonscion.com I believe...

Yes the Blitz kit is easy to find. I have found it a bunch of times but when I go to order it they say it is on back order indefinently. Thanks for the reply, if anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Thanks

Anyone have information on the Power Enterprises kit?

we can get them from japan but they take about 4-6 weeks

when will the trd supercharger be coming out? and can u get it straight from the dealer, like as an option?

when will the trd supercharger be coming out? and can u get it straight from the dealer, like as an option?There won't be one from TRD. Maybe a t/c but definately not a s/c.

when will the trd supercharger be coming out? and can u get it straight from the dealer, like as an option?There won't be one from TRD. Maybe a t/c but definately not a s/c.

Not to be a jerk but you don't know what your talking about. TRD doesn not, has not, and probably never will make turbo chargers. They ONLY make superchargers. And they probably will come out with the tC supercharger, though it will be a few months. Sorry to bust your bubble.

And yea, you will be able to get it straight from the dealer, just like the other TRD superchargers/products.

when will the trd supercharger be coming out? and can u get it straight from the dealer, like as an option?There won't be one from TRD. Maybe a t/c but definately not a s/c.

Not to be a jerk but you don't know what your talking about. TRD doesn not, has not, and probably never will make turbo chargers. They ONLY make superchargers. And they probably will come out with the tC supercharger, though it will be a few months. Sorry to bust your bubble.

And yea, you will be able to get it straight from the dealer, just like the other TRD superchargers/products.Wow from those words you would be a newb to the scions. TRD decided not to do a s/c for the xB due to not enough power gains. So instead they have been resaerching a t/c kit instead. The TRD xB at sema was a turbo car by TRD. Wow! Educational for a jerk aren't I? Last I looked this wasn't a tC specific thread being asked here now was it :roll:

Hi Im new to the forum and to Scion's in general but I know one thing for sure that the TRD charger is coming in November according to the rep I spoke to. She said scion urges to buy now and the dealer can add on the SC later when it arrives, estimated cost $3,000.00. Havent purchased my TC yet but am in the next month.
Thanks,
Brandon

P.S. You guys have a great forum going here. Talk to you all later.

a trd turbo kit exist in japan for the bb... you can find it on a bunch of the toyota japan sites or even type it in on the search here on scionlife cause it's been discussed plenty of times...

Hi Im new to the forum and to Scion's in general but I know one thing for sure that the TRD charger is coming in November according to the rep I spoke to. She said scion urges to buy now and the dealer can add on the SC later when it arrives, estimated cost $3,000.00. Havent purchased my TC yet but am in the next month.
Thanks,
Brandon

P.S. You guys have a great forum going here. Talk to you all later.

That is correct. there will be a s/c for the tC but the xB/xA will get a TRD t/c or nothing at all.

Spoke with my performance guy with connections at TRD. I hope this is not true, but he usually knows the inside info. Can anyone else confirm?

TRD will not be releasing a turbo kit for the xB in the US market. The cost was too high because of installation issues. The only way to get the kit into the car was to pull the engine, install the turbo and put it all back in. TRD is encouraging Toyota to release the stock turbo version of the xB that is already available in Japan.

Please say it isn't so!

You know, I had heard that rumor too. Although being a person who has built turbocharged cars before, and not from kits. I cannot figure out they would have to pull the motor to install a turbo??? I have looked, and looked at my xB... I know I could turbo it without pulling the motor. If this is such an issue, just add a wet nitrous kit instead. It's even easier!


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Do a search. There are numerous people here on scionlife w/ turbos alread installed.

Engine shouldnt have to be pulled to add a turbo, but you now how the manufacture is......

also doing stuff the hard way.

I keep hearing people talking about "no reason to install a S/C on an engine this small as it won't do much" and I guess its stems from this TRD rumor (I'm going to consider it a rumor until I hear or read the interview from a reputable source.) But the Blitz kit is talking about nearly 50Hp gains right? up to 150Hp? that's a 50% gain and that's about what most S/C kits claim over stock so I'm going to say that's not bad at all. One thing people who have never driven a positive displacement (as apposed to centrifugal) car never understand is the amount of low end torque that is added - and torque is what makes a car fun to drive. Turbo's have nothing on a Roots or Whipple blower when it comes to torque. But I agree, if the engine can handle more I'd like to have some. The Incon TT kit for the 5.0 claims 150-200 HP gain (Over 215 stock) at 8Lbs but that engine is better suited and the incon kit is one of the best designed - still, 75-100% gain. Not sure if we can expect thos kinds of gains from an engine like the 1.5L, Its already pretty strung out and the Compression ratio is not so great for FI.

Here's the thing - I'm not sure where everyone is coming up with their boost numbers but compression ratios effect gasoline the same way no matter what engine they apply too and that goes for Boost vs. Comp.Ratio as well. My experience has been that 12Lbs is the best you could hope for during the summer even with an intercooler (With 8.5/1 Comp) 15Lbs is great at the track running 110 Octane and 1 hour cool downs after each run but I think its pretty optimistic for 90+ Deg summers in traffic. Hey whatever you get away with on your car is what you can run but those without Turbo/SC cars should probably be wary of the numbers (and sources; other bench racers are likely not the best place to get your numbers) you use when bench racing - I just don't think there are that many setups where 15-16Lbs is at all practical on the street. And if your numbers are coming from Magazines be really cautious, I never read about drivability issues from even the most reputable magazines (From my not-so-long-gone mustang days) but they were there, just about all of us had them (And had to find fixes for them) from just about every imaginable aftermarket part.

Yes, pulling the engine seems absurd and causes me to question my source.....any chance the have to swap the headgasket for reliability?

I agree the with the comment about compression having a large impact on usable boost with "high" octane pump gas. But the limits you mention lack some information that is needed. My daily driver has 8.5:1 compression, runs 20psi, has 450+ HP, uses pump gas and is detonation free in 110 degree Texas heat.

It's not all about cylinder compression ratio, much of it can be handled with good head design, modern engine management and a properly sized turbo. The last item is an important part of this equation. A properly sized turbo won't add nearly as much heat to the intake air as a roots or whipple charger.

I'll gladly lose low end torque in exchange for being able to pull as hard at 120mph as I can at 20mph. I'd also prefer to avoid any parasitic drag on an engine where they were so concerned about crank rotational inertia that they use a plastic crank pulley.

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the advantages of supercharging, but in the last two years many of the limits of turbocharging have changed. Just look at the GT series compressors compared to an old T-series.

A properly sized turbo won't add nearly as much heat to the intake air as a roots or whipple charger.

I disagree - yes, a roots type blower is an external compressor and as such makes lots of heat in its charge but the Whipple is internal and they have rediculously low (Kenny bells don't really need an intercooler) charge temps. I haven't even checked to see if Blitz and the other guys blowers are roots or not but I fear they are. Yes, the days of the roots blower should be at an end. The whipple is light years ahead and (I believe) makes the choice between Turbo and S/C a no brainer. I'm afraid its a pipe dream though as I doubt there are any Whipples available for the Scions.

As far as parasitic drag goes - I've never seen anyone test for the acctual cost of running a turbo charger - but I can assure its not free. Yes I understand that a turbo is "powered" by expanding exaust gasses but Turbo chargers are restrictive and if someone tested a motor, first, with an effective header and then with a Turbocharger that was connected to a load (Say an identical engine running the same RPM) You would be able to find something close to the price of running a turbo. I'd bet its around 10% at least.

i can get the Blitz SC for xA and xB....click my link below or PM me for more info

I haven't even checked to see if Blitz and the other guys blowers are roots or not but I fear they are. Yes, the days of the roots blower should be at an end. The whipple is light years ahead and (I believe) makes the choice between Turbo and S/C a no brainer
The Blitz is a twin screw. I think Whipple uses a screw type sc as well- although not for the xB. Unfortunately the Blitz only was putting 112 hp to the wheels. Assuming a stock 5 speed puts 89 hp to the wheels this is a 26% increase. Not terrible, but for around $3,000 it be nice to get more then 23 horses. The Power Enterprises blower (the only other one I know of for the xB) is centrifugal. I'm not sure of the power coming from the PE, but I think that it is not much more then the Blitz.

We're running the Blitz kit on our project car and I really enjoy driving it. It's not a 911 killer by any means but the gains over stock are acceptable. I think it's a blast and I definately have no regrets.

When GT Motorsports dynoed the Power Enterprise PE300 they had

stock at the wheel 85hp
with supercharger 129hp

which should come out to about 108hp (just look at Erics plate from Cali) at the engine stock and 164hp :D with the SC.

I just put the Power Enterprise PE300 on last Friday. I am going to try to get to the Dyno this week. Sunday I got to beat a few Hondas.:wink:
http://home.earthlink.net/~xbinnc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pe300003.jpg

Hey Matchbox,

Where GT Motorsports is located, what is the elevation, and what type of dynonometer where they using when they made the two pulls??

Because an average stock xB, pulls 96.2whp & 94.8, mine pulled 96.0hp & 95.3lbs tq. But still, what I'm wondering is what happened to 10-11hp???? Could be the Dyno the used, (maybe needs to be calibrated, or its just the way it is), OR it very well could be the elevation if you're talking about 2000'+.

Well take it easy and I like to see that Charger. Looks great!

Take care, and besure to put in 93 or 95 octane, BIG difference Dude! LOL, Try 103 Race Fuel!!!!!!! :twisted: You'll be looking at 5more hp to the wheels with the S/C.

LATE.

-Tylor

They are near LA VERNE. I called them before I bought my Power Enterprise supercharger. They have the numbers in their computer. He was running a full exhaust and a header. I think they had installed an AFC to tune it with.
Here is their number
909-989-2278

with the Blits SC on my automatic hot lava i realized a considerable amount of power increase on my BUTT dyno...
check out the june 2004 issue of Import Tuner peak HP gain was 23.3, Peak torque gain was 20.2 lb-ft. with an auto tranny.

includes all hardware, piggyback for ECU, and the switch for the compressor wheel to set it in low/mid/hi or off.

AND, i can get it for cheaper than $3K if anyone is interested :idea:

Sadly I dont trust any of TRD's claims about bringing anything to the US market. TRD USA is nothing like TRD Japan. They produce nothing of there own and just rebadge other companies products to jack up the price.

If you want the TRD turbo, then order it from Japan and use a aftermarket fuel management system.

newscion.org... True, true...

The "TRD" supercharger for all the toyota trucks, the solara, the matrix, etc. ARE ALL Jackson Racing Superchargers. With TRD logos etched and engraved onto the S/C housing.

If I went with a new fuel system, I would prolly go with an apex'i monotoring unit, and maybe a edelbrock/blitz hybrid setup.

I'm already running new injectors, plugs, wires, ground wires, and some new hoses. So all I need now is a fuel system upgrade once I get my s/c, and maybe a new ecu setup.

LATE.

-Tylor

newscion.org... True, true...

The "TRD" supercharger for all the toyota trucks, the solara, the matrix, etc. ARE ALL Jackson Racing Superchargers. With TRD logos etched and engraved onto the S/C housing.

If I went with a new fuel system, I would prolly go with an apex'i monotoring unit, and maybe a edelbrock/blitz hybrid setup.

I'm already running new injectors, plugs, wires, ground wires, and some new hoses. So all I need now is a fuel system upgrade once I get my s/c, and maybe a new ecu setup.

LATE.

-Tylor

I think someone mentioned that they can use the Power FC which is an EXCELLENT ECU. I am not positive that it will work on the 1NZ, but if it does I HIGHLY suggest it. It is a real full programmable ECU. It is not overly complicated or require replacement sensors.

Yes, it will work on anything that has anything similar to VTEC or any type of electronic valve timing, and has EFI. ;)

I can't wait to afford one!

Granted its only like $400-$500 its still that much more outta my league..lol

LATE.

-Tylor

Yes, it will work on anything that has anything similar to VTEC or any type of electronic valve timing, and has EFI. ;)

I can't wait to afford one!

Granted its only like $400-$500 its still that much more outta my league..lol

LATE.

-Tylor

Actually, I know that isn't true. The Power FC works on more than just VVT cars, and it doesn't work on all VVT cars. It has more to do with the ECU that it is replacing. Also generally they run about $900. They are far more powerful than most piggybacks, so the price is justified.

http://www.trdparts.jp/movie/TRDturbo_bB.avi

Just thought you all might find this interesting. Found it on the TRD Japan site. Good illustration of the effects of even a moderate increase in power.

Here's the site it came from too:http://www.trdparts.jp/parts_trdturbo-plan.html Unfortunately, price is around $5,700. :cry:

http://www.trdparts.jp/movie/TRDturbo_bB.avi

Just thought you all might find this interesting. Found it on the TRD Japan site. Good illustration of the effects of even a moderate increase in power.

Here's the site it came from too:http://www.trdparts.jp/parts_trdturbo-plan.html Unfortunately, price is around $5,700. :cry:

Yeah, that has been around for a while. The price isn't that bad considering what you get. Power isn't cheap.

You're right, it is reasonable, all things considered. But for that kinda money I think it's better spent selling the xB and getting a t/c, or better, a Mazda 3. RSX as well, for that matter. Any one has better power than the turbo kitted xB, plus handling too. For me at least, it's just not worth paying 30% of vehicle cost just to bring it up to acceptable power levels. Had I an STI or Evo, then I think it'd be justified.

You're right, it is reasonable, all things considered. But for that kinda money I think it's better spent selling the xB and getting a t/c, or better, a Mazda 3. RSX as well, for that matter. Any one has better power than the turbo kitted xB, plus handling too. For me at least, it's just not worth paying 30% of vehicle cost just to bring it up to acceptable power levels. Had I an STI or Evo, then I think it'd be justified.

That's just stupid. For one, a PROPER kit on an xB will put more power to the ground than the Mazda 3... not to mention it weighs a fair bit less, and looks better in some peoples opinions. Might as well spend the money and buy an SRT-4 if you just want to be fast, and ugly.

Handling? Last I checked Scion's weren't very bad in the corners, xA or xB they both did quite well with minimal mods... Most places that reviewed them said they handled very well. Personally, I think my xB handles quite well with 17" alloys and Tein S.Tech Coils.

Acceptable power levels??? Last I checked, it wasn't that unacceptable, considering it's on par with 80% of cars on the road today with 0-60 and 1/4 mile, and better than most in fuel milage. Add a turbo, and you have a pretty potent little ride... that YOU customized. It says a lot about you when you do something to a car to make it different... nothing wrong with making a sluggish car fast. It doesn't matter what you drive, theres always something faster on the road.

Wow, touched a nerve. :roll:

Hey, spend your money the way you want to, whatever makes you happy -- there's nothing wrong with making something better. Just realize that if it's true performance you're looking for, there are better options with more potential to be had for the same or less cost -- that's all my point was. Me, I love my xB and enjoy it very much. I plan on modding to some degree because, like you said, it's great to make a statement by creating MY OWN xB to tool around in. Still, I'm not going to kid myself into thinking that sinking $1,000's and $1,000's of dollars into it just to end up with a cool, but relatively average performing car is a grand idea. Especially when I could be saving up that money to buy a real performance car, like an STI(nice video (http://homepages.apci.net/~sirmyt/STI3.mpeg)), someday. Sorry, but that's just me.

get the BLITZ supercharger you wont be disappointed :wink:

Wow, touched a nerve. :roll:

Hey, spend your money the way you want to, whatever makes you happy -- there's nothing wrong with making something better. Just realize that if it's true performance you're looking for, there are better options with more potential to be had for the same or less cost -- that's all my point was. Me, I love my xB and enjoy it very much. I plan on modding to some degree because, like you said, it's great to make a statement by creating MY OWN xB to tool around in. Still, I'm not going to kid myself into thinking that sinking $1,000's and $1,000's of dollars into it just to end up with a cool, but relatively average performing car is a grand idea. Especially when I could be saving up that money to buy a real performance car, like an STI(nice video (http://homepages.apci.net/~sirmyt/STI3.mpeg)), someday. Sorry, but that's just me.

Yeah, and once you get your STi and then get your doors blown off by a Viper...

The point is that people do what they want to do with their cars. It is just silly to tell them to do something else.

You do what you like and they will do what they like, but dont act like you are better because you have figured out the great performance formula...

get the BLITZ supercharger you wont be disappointed :wink:

Why wouldn't you be? I bet you cant even break the 16sec barrier with that 15hp increase...

get the BLITZ supercharger you wont be disappointed :wink:

Why wouldn't you be? I bet you cant even break the 16sec barrier with that 15hp increase...

dude just strap a jet engine on your very aerodynamic box...hahahaha...maybe you'll break into thr 16's hahahhahaha

i cant beleive you guys are actually wanting like a 1000HP increase on a 1.5L 36MPG cruiser...buy a twin turbo supra... :idea:

The drag coefficient on the xB isn't near as bad as any SUV. It's acutally as good as most passenger cars...

The drag coefficient on the xB isn't near as bad as any SUV. It's acutally as good as most passenger cars...

good to know

NewScion Dot Org:

No one is trying to be better, I just originally said that you can get better performance for the same money in another vehicle. That's not being condescending or arrogant, it's just the truth. And if the truth ruffles your feathers, so be it -- it's your problem, not mine. As for telling people what to do, you're the one jumping on me for speaking my mind and stating an opinion -- I never said to not mod your xB, did I? No, I said I thought spending tons of money on lots of power mods is a waste, that's all. Again, if that's not to your liking, too bad, free country. And if a Viper beat my STI, good for him, he paid for it.

with 130 to the ground with any of the Forced induction kits, you're only 12 hp shy of the current model Civic Si (142 to the ground) seeings as we gat quite a bit less wait and the Si is a "performance" car, I would say that a 130 hp xB would be real quick.

Wow, touched a nerve. :roll:

Hey, spend your money the way you want to, whatever makes you happy -- there's nothing wrong with making something better. Just realize that if it's true performance you're looking for, there are better options with more potential to be had for the same or less cost -- that's all my point was. Me, I love my xB and enjoy it very much. I plan on modding to some degree because, like you said, it's great to make a statement by creating MY OWN xB to tool around in. Still, I'm not going to kid myself into thinking that sinking $1,000's and $1,000's of dollars into it just to end up with a cool, but relatively average performing car is a grand idea. Especially when I could be saving up that money to buy a real performance car, like an STI(nice video (http://homepages.apci.net/~sirmyt/STI3.mpeg)), someday. Sorry, but that's just me.

Yeah, and once you get your STi and then get your doors blown off by a Viper...

The point is that people do what they want to do with their cars. It is just silly to tell them to do something else.

You do what you like and they will do what they like, but dont act like you are better because you have figured out the great performance formula...


ive seen a viper lose to civics and wrx's because the driver is not a good driver, so saying because the car is faster dont mean that the car will always win

ive seen a viper lose to civics and wrx's because the driver is not a good driver, so saying because the car is faster dont mean that the car will always win

The viper obviouisly was not racing. :lol: