http://www.xbmotoring.com/injen1.jpg

nice pic and info cant wait to see the dyno

p.s. im moveing this to power hungry i think it will have better use there

Turbo, did someone say turbo? Xplain yo-self foo.

which header(s) and exhaust system(s) are you planning to test :?: :?:

looks like your missing the rubber connecting hose. the ingens ivw seen have black hose with their logo on it connecting the trottle body to the intake....

brent

Turbo, did someone say turbo? Xplain yo-self foo.

I'm building a turbo system.

which header(s) and exhaust system(s) are you planning to test :?: :?:

Not sure if I can drop names yet. Everyone has heard of em.

looks like your missing the rubber connecting hose. the ingens ivw seen have black hose with their logo on it connecting the trottle body to the intake....

brent

That was taken off so you could see how close it was. Yes Injen includes the coupler and hose clamps.

this sure seems like a fair and unbiased post.

this sure seems like a fair and unbiased post.

Of course I'm biased, but I am very fair and I call it as I see it.

I'm not in sales, but R&D. You should have pride in your product.

Turbo, did someone say turbo? Xplain yo-self foo.

I'm building a turbo system.

Are you located in North Hollywood?

hey what kind of wheels were on that xb?

this sure seems like a fair and unbiased post.

Of course I'm biased, but I am very fair and I call it as I see it.

I'm not in sales, but R&D. You should have pride in your product.

So this is not a fair comparison. I am sure that if Injen test their competitions they will find flaws in it or find things to point out.

The only fair way to do this is to have an independent test of all intakes such as Injen, AEM, SPFRm K & N etc.

Personally, when a company says anything about their competition, to me it's a sign of bad business....I am not saying that you are talking smack about Injen and nearly showing us their flaws....but I would personally be turned off by that.
I am in a position to buy parts for our company and when I encounter someone who talks bad about their competition and gives biased answers then I go buy from the next guy who doesn't have to bad mouth their competition for me to buy..

That is just me though..

It just bothers me that you have AEM in the background and you are saying "negative" things in a way about Injen...it's not fair to say the least.

By the way, I know that when someone did a comparison test on Injen and AEM ,,the Injen intake yeilded more HP than AEM.
Both products are excellent and I would use them in a heart beat..but this test was independently done and it was unbiased. I would go with the cheaper one of the two so I can spend what I saved on other items for the car.

Hope to see a more unbiased comparison soon...

Thanks for the information though....

this sure seems like a fair and unbiased post.

Of course I'm biased, but I am very fair and I call it as I see it.

I'm not in sales, but R&D. You should have pride in your product.

So this is not a fair comparison. I am sure that if Injen test their competitions they will find flaws in it or find things to point out.

The only fair way to do this is to have an independent test of all intakes such as Injen, AEM, SPFRm K & N etc.

Personally, when a company says anything about their competition, to me it's a sign of bad business....I am not saying that you are talking smack about Injen and nearly showing us their flaws....but I would personally be turned off by that.
I am in a position to buy parts for our company and when I encounter someone who talks bad about their competition and gives biased answers then I go buy from the next guy who doesn't have to bad mouth their competition for me to buy..

That is just me though..

It just bothers me that you have AEM in the background and you are saying "negative" things in a way about Injen...it's not fair to say the least.

By the way, I know that when someone did a comparison test on Injen and AEM ,,the Injen intake yeilded more HP than AEM.
Both products are excellent and I would use them in a heart beat..but this test was independently done and it was unbiased. I would go with the cheaper one of the two so I can spend what I saved on other items for the car.

Hope to see a more unbiased comparison soon...

Thanks for the information though....

I'm not saying don't buy Injen and buy AEM, like I said I'm not here to sell you on products. You may not like the fact that AEM is in the background, but that's the dyno I used. These are my experiences with my car. I didn't bad mouth Injen and I don't push anyone's product.

The fit on the intake system can be improved upon, that's all. The pictures aren't chopped. I'm not sure how you could say the product is excellent if there is a problem fitting it in the car. Other than that the intake does what its supposed to do.

If I'm going to spend my hard earned money on a bolt on product, at least it should fit. We aren't talking about a 4" ragtop or airbags. I expect there to be additional work done.

I can say things about the AEM intake as well if you want, but I'm sure everyone has seen it since you can buy your car with one installed. This is the first time I've seen the Injen intake installed up close.

I'm not doing this because of my job, but rather to help this community. I'm here as an owner. I have an opportunity to help this forum in ways others can't, this is my contribution.

Turbo, did someone say turbo? Xplain yo-self foo.

I'm building a turbo system.

Are you located in North Hollywood?
No.

I think to make it a fair comparison...you should highlight both pros and cons with all intakes you tested.
Also it would have been best to take the picture with out the AEM hood in the background..it just makes it seem more biased...as you mentioned earlier.

If AEM has flaws too then you should have mentioned it.
I like both products and support them..but if you are going to compare 2 products it can't be a one sided issue...
Again..thanks for the work you are doing ... I am merely suggesting that it would be fair if you post all the results...negatives and positives of a couple of intakes.

...Also ..do you work for AEM then? Because I wasn't certain if you did....

yea definitely post pros and cons of the intakes u tested...
so ppl can make a better decision... :wink:

as for the aem when i got mine dynoed it topped 4hp rather than the injen was 9 hp threw out the power band. Also on a note the aem stores a p171 code for system too lean in the ecu. How do i know well i work for toyota and we had a customer complaint
that when he bought a demo at a dealer the car would not pass smog due to the code being picked up by the obd connector. I also noticed on my xb when i first got it with the aem it had a hard time pulling in the top end now with my injen it revs better and can pull easily on the top end. and if you do work for aem tell Joji sorry i got the injen but it clearly out performs aem with little or less bends. Dont think that consumers are stupid and that dyno runs can be manipulated to show more hp. If aem has abetter product than anyone else lets have and independent shop test all the intakes and let the results speak for itself not people who work for the companies.

will someone please, please, please do a intake shootout on a dyno and put this topic to rest.

here's the way i'd like to see it go down.

find some scionlife members that have:

1. AEM intake
2. SPFR intake
3. Blitz intake
4. Injen intake

have them all meet at the dyno center

use 1 car, and set it up stock

test stock

then on the same car switch out the intakes 1 by 1 and do a few dyno pulls.

at the end of the day the numbers will speak for themselves i'm sure, and then no one can sit around on the internet and talk about their 9 (riiiiight...) horsepower gain from a simple CAI...

I'm sure that the intakes all make somwhere between 1 and 6WHP - but we'll never know unless we do a test for ourselves.

I'll donate a weekend day and my SPFR intake for the shootout, anyone with a Injen, AEM or Blitz down to help out?

the point is doing a test with the different intakes, on the same car, the same day on the same dyno, that way we'll be sure to get the most revelant and consistant data!

Brian

as for the aem when i got mine dynoed it topped 4hp rather than the injen was 9 hp threw out the power band. Also on a note the aem stores a p171 code for system too lean in the ecu. How do i know well i work for toyota and we had a customer complaint
that when he bought a demo at a dealer the car would not pass smog due to the code being picked up by the obd connector. I also noticed on my xb when i first got it with the aem it had a hard time pulling in the top end now with my injen it revs better and can pull easily on the top end. and if you do work for aem tell Joji sorry i got the injen but it clearly out performs aem with little or less bends. Dont think that consumers are stupid and that dyno runs can be manipulated to show more hp. If aem has abetter product than anyone else lets have and independent shop test all the intakes and let the results speak for itself not people who work for the companies.

This is the first time I've heard of any stored DTC's. I've been using the AEM for over 10k miles.

Do you work for Toyota or a dealership?

Are you accusing AEM of manipulating their dyno's?

Someone is or will be doing an intake comparison real soon for a book, don't worry.

This isn't a comparison thread or which intake is better. This is about the install for the Injen intake which only fits the xB.

If the Injen intake did make more hp than the AEM, then I'm sure they won't rest until that issue is resolved.

If the Injen intake did make more hp than the AEM, then I'm sure they won't rest until that issue is resolved.

i wouldn't go that far, many compainies are satisfied rushing a product to the market, putting their name on it and soaking up the $$$ - i dunno if injen or aem is like that, but i'm fairly sure neither one of these products will see any revision in the future.

don't think that every performance parts company is really interested in "performance"
there are WAY to many companies, especially in the import tuning market that are happy passing off crappy products just to make a quick buck.

ok, on another note... as part of the dyno shootout we should have everyone rate quallity of product and ease if installation too, that's a great idea :) and i think the panel should be made up of all the people doanting their intakes, so it's fairly unbiased.

now who's willing to help do this???

Brian[/url]

If the Injen intake did make more hp than the AEM, then I'm sure they won't rest until that issue is resolved.

i wouldn't go that far, many compainies are satisfied rushing a product to the market, putting their name on it and soaking up the $$$ - i dunno if injen or aem is like that, but i'm fairly sure neither one of these products will see any revision in the future.

don't think that every performance parts company is really interested in "performance"
there are WAY to many companies, especially in the import tuning market that are happy passing off crappy products just to make a quick buck.

ok, on another note... as part of the dyno shootout we should have everyone rate quallity of product and ease if installation too, that's a great idea :) and i think the panel should be made up of all the people doanting their intakes, so it's fairly unbiased.

now who's willing to help do this???

Brian[/url]

Besk one,

Why would you put SPFR in a list with Injen, AEM, K&N, and Blitz? That's like saying a Kia is comparable to a Mercedes. If you are going to compare intakes, make sure they are all reputable companies that have been in business for many years and have the name to stand behind their product. I don't have anything against the SPFR intake, but I just don't see the established name behind the product.

well simply because those are 4 intakes currently available for our xB and from the people on this board, they seem to be the most popular.

I've had experience with the AEM, Injen and SPFR intakes - i've driven cars with all 3 and i own a SPFR intake.

I know for myself that the SPFR feels *much* faster than the AEM, and it even feels quicker then the Injen, but i want some reliable dyno results that back up my gut feeling, and if i'm wrong than i'm wrong and everyone will know it :)

*edited for rantage*

[quote].....i think the panel should be made up of all the people doanting their intakes, so it's fairly unbiased.

now who's willing to help do this???

Brian[/url]

Fairly unbiased??? Are you kidding me?? How about if any "panel" is put together, people that work for the companies, such as Brian (Besk One) who works for SPFR (doing Jon's web design) have absolutely nothing to do with the panel.

that's fine, i don't really work for SPFR, i just built his website as a favor - but ya i'll donate my intake and keep my mouth shut on the sidelines.

I have no problems with that at all :)

I'm only making suguestions - everyone else seems to be more interested in being negative than in helping me organize a intake dyno day :(

What do you mean you are bias???!!! Being bias in a comparison means that you list the pros and cons of both products. THAT, is being bias. Not listing flaws in the Injen and calling it a day. Most people don't know what is good or bad in an intake and what to look for in an installation.

THIS IS WHAT GETS ME:

You have an AEM intake on your car, but you go buy an Injen intake to test??? And let me get this straight, your doing this install and test for... us? Sure... I'll believe your results :? I don't see the reasoning behind this unless you are filthy rich and have nothing better to do with your money and time... or you're a large corp with plenty of money to test your competitors products and have someone say "I'm bias".

You obviously have some kind of connection to AEM or you wouldn't be using their dyno station. And if you are "bias", then why just test the Injen (at AEM :? ), not other brands? And NO, most of us don't have an AEM on our car from the dealer, so you should have listed the flaws of the AEM.

I haven't seen Injen posting anything about flaws in the AEM intake, and I respect that.

If you have to publicly try and point out flaws in a competitor, then it just makes you look scared. And trust me, no one wants to buy product from a company that acts like this or allows someone to portray this image for them.

Well said, Besk One!

Give me some solid facts as to why the Injen is better, somthing more substantial and technichal than their "name" and then we'll be talking about quallity and performance, not "name brands" Just becaue someone has been in business for years doesn't mean they make a quallity product...

Here are a couple of reasons why I think injen is better:

*Polished Finish - Looks much nicer than plastic when the hood is popped.

*Backed by Injen Technology's limited lifetime warranty (In writing, at www.injen.com) - I looked but couldn't find anything about a warranty at SPFR.com

*Price - Injen is quite a bit cheaper

*Availability - Injen can be bought at stores throught the country, AEM can be purchased at dealerships around the country.

I also know that the fitment of the Injen is not perfect, and the size of the filter makes it difficult to install. I didn't have a problem attaching the MAF senser like SoCalbBox did, but like pretty much every bolt on product I've worked with - could use some improvement on the fitment.

As far as AEM, its got plenty of negative attributes as well. It has to be purchased from the dealer, its $300+ and I can not make any comments about the fitment, I have no experience with it.

this is EXACTLY why i want to organize a dyno day!

the more people involved the more likley it will be that we'll be able to trust the results.

get a bunch of scionlife members together, have steve from bbist.com and jon from spfr come down too, to show off their stuff.

then get a panel of members that are independent of the vendors and have them rate the quallity and install process.

then while everyone is there, dyno the intakes, so there's no dyno "trickery" no fudging on conditions or setup - and then we'll have some numbers to compare and some personal opinions from the panel

who wants to help organize?

What do you mean you are bias???!!! Being bias in a comparison means that you list the pros and cons of both products. THAT, is being bias. Not listing flaws in the Injen and calling it a day. Most people don't know what is good or bad in an intake and what to look for in an installation.

THIS IS WHAT GETS ME:

You have an AEM intake on your car, but you go buy an Injen intake to test??? And let me get this straight, your doing this install and test for... us? Sure... I'll believe your results :? I don't see the reasoning behind this unless you are filthy rich and have nothing better to do with your money and time... or you're a large corp with plenty of money to test your competitors products and have someone say "I'm bias".

You obviously have some kind of connection to AEM or you wouldn't be using their dyno station. And if you are "bias", then why just test the Injen (at AEM :? ), not other brands? And NO, most of us don't have an AEM on our car from the dealer, so you should have listed the flaws of the AEM.

I haven't seen Injen posting anything about flaws in the AEM intake, and I respect that.

If you have to publicly try and point out flaws in a competitor, then it just makes you look scared. And trust me, no one wants to buy product from a company that acts like this or allows someone to portray this image for them.

Read the title of the thread again.

Then read my posts.

I don't expect you to see my reasoning, many don't. This is NOT a comparison of intakes thread. I've dealt with AEM and Injen for many years. I've bought and dyno'd many of their intakes. With that history and the fact that I've made thousands of dyno pulls I am biased. If you don't like it, tough. I expect a lot from both companies.

I'm independant so I volunteer my services.

All I know is that I got the Injen and it worked real well. Then w.c. toyota gave me some stuff including the aem intake to run their sticker on my ride and there is a little more noise and a tad less power in my opinion. I'm not a big engine guy but it's easy to tell what changes when you drive your car a lot.

crap, there goes my 666 posts

What do you mean you are bias???!!! Being bias in a comparison means that you list the pros and cons of both products. THAT, is being bias. Not listing flaws in the Injen and calling it a day. Most people don't know what is good or bad in an intake and what to look for in an installation.

THIS IS WHAT GETS ME:

You have an AEM intake on your car, but you go buy an Injen intake to test??? And let me get this straight, your doing this install and test for... us? Sure... I'll believe your results :? I don't see the reasoning behind this unless you are filthy rich and have nothing better to do with your money and time... or you're a large corp with plenty of money to test your competitors products and have someone say "I'm bias".

You obviously have some kind of connection to AEM or you wouldn't be using their dyno station. And if you are "bias", then why just test the Injen (at AEM :? ), not other brands? And NO, most of us don't have an AEM on our car from the dealer, so you should have listed the flaws of the AEM.

I haven't seen Injen posting anything about flaws in the AEM intake, and I respect that.

If you have to publicly try and point out flaws in a competitor, then it just makes you look scared. And trust me, no one wants to buy product from a company that acts like this or allows someone to portray this image for them.


I agree with Steve 100%.

What do you mean you are bias???!!! Being bias in a comparison means that you list the pros and cons of both products. THAT, is being bias. Not listing flaws in the Injen and calling it a day. Most people don't know what is good or bad in an intake and what to look for in an installation.

THIS IS WHAT GETS ME:

You have an AEM intake on your car, but you go buy an Injen intake to test??? And let me get this straight, your doing this install and test for... us? Sure... I'll believe your results :? I don't see the reasoning behind this unless you are filthy rich and have nothing better to do with your money and time... or you're a large corp with plenty of money to test your competitors products and have someone say "I'm bias".

You obviously have some kind of connection to AEM or you wouldn't be using their dyno station. And if you are "bias", then why just test the Injen (at AEM :? ), not other brands? And NO, most of us don't have an AEM on our car from the dealer, so you should have listed the flaws of the AEM.

I haven't seen Injen posting anything about flaws in the AEM intake, and I respect that.

If you have to publicly try and point out flaws in a competitor, then it just makes you look scared. And trust me, no one wants to buy product from a company that acts like this or allows someone to portray this image for them.

Read the title of the thread again.

Then read my posts.

I don't expect you to see my reasoning, many don't. This is NOT a comparison of intakes thread. I've dealt with AEM and Injen for many years. I've bought and dyno'd many of their intakes. With that history and the fact that I've made thousands of dyno pulls I am biased. If you don't like it, tough. I expect a lot from both companies.

It seems like this is a "comparison of intakes thread".

From what the title says, to what your threads say, do not match. You are not just showing pics of an install, you're giving the cons of an Injen intake.

If you're going to knock the Injen, you should have listed cons for the AEM as well as other intakes.

And next time, don't do your testing of and Injen intake at AEM if you want to call yourself "BIAS"

I don't mean to be anal, but some people are confused over the term "bias"

biased means to influence in a particular, typically unfair direction; prejudice.

unbiased also unbiassed means without bias or prejudice; impartial.[/b]

Good job Mr. Webster

IMO-AEM looks just as hard to install. Filter pretty much goes in the same area as Injen does. It also has more bolts to tighten up and align

Installation is the best part of working on an car. If it was easy then there is no fun on building or fixing up a car.

If you were doing a comparison why didn't you give your opinion on the Blitz also. It's been available way before Injen. Where are your dynos on that. And what about SPFR. I'd like to see more info on that one. If your job is to campare other brands then do it all at once not at different times. Four intakes are available right now. Now that would be a true comparison.

Also just show the dyno results and leave out your own personel comments about a product.

wow i never thought usuing the term "unbiased" could knock the spice up so much around here!

but when i saw this weekend post (when everyone that is heavy on the modding is off the board and living the real "scionlife") i had to say something. because i know somebody new would see the hi res pics and take it for gospel.

i thought about saying something witty but i knew it would just lower the bar. I don't have free access to a dyno nor am i any kind of engineer (well maybee beverage engineer!) but i did put my injen intake on without stripping the screws on the sensor and i can tell that when you have the fitting on the metal of the tb doesn't touch the pipe. yeah its snug but no scraping under there! regardless i paid 160 shipped with the group buy(thanks darell) and i couldn't be happier. For the AEM 300-400 plus 70/pr hour for install at a toyota store(this is what i was quoted when i was shopping i think it could be less now) and you cant finance it and it bangs against the fog lamp that would no doubt be purchased by the same exact people who would want an intake.

yeah i think the antihydrolock thing is cool on the aem but much like the shift knobs and weak lighting kits and terrible terrible upgrade wheels http://www.scion.com/drive/accessories/detail_images/wheels/xb_alloy_wheel.jpg the aem intake was part of a hasty rush to market.

From what the title says, to what your threads say, do not match. You are not just showing pics of an install, you're giving the cons of an Injen intake.

If you're going to knock the Injen, you should have listed cons for the AEM as well as other intakes.

And next time, don't do your testing of and Injen intake at AEM if you want to call yourself "BIAS"

How is that????? Shall I just leave a picture up and let everyone else comment who wasn't there for the install? These are comments on the install, the fit of the pipe. PERIOD!

Who said I was doing testing? The thread is of the install. If you want to read more into than what's there thats your problem and the same goes to others who feel the need to add their .02 and hijack the thread and call it a dyno session.

Yes I am biased once again...Not UNBIASED! I expect certain things from certain companies.

Take the pictures for what they are worth. Maybe my xB has a tweaked body and the intake doesn't fit. Maybe I got a bad pipe. Maybe I should have used the stock screws like the instructions said to...I didn't comment on how the bolts I used broke because that was my fault.

wow i never thought usuing the term "unbiased" could knock the spice up so much around here!

but when i saw this weekend post (when everyone that is heavy on the modding is off the board and living the real "scionlife") i had to say something. because i know somebody new would see the hi res pics and take it for gospel.

i thought about saying something witty but i knew it would just lower the bar. I don't have free access to a dyno nor am i any kind of engineer (well maybee beverage engineer!) but i did put my injen intake on without stripping the screws on the sensor and i can tell that when you have the fitting on the metal of the tb doesn't touch the pipe. yeah its snug but no scraping under there! regardless i paid 160 shipped with the group buy(thanks darell) and i couldn't be happier. For the AEM 300-400 plus 70/pr hour for install at a toyota store(this is what i was quoted when i was shopping i think it could be less now) and you cant finance it and it bangs against the fog lamp that would no doubt be purchased by the same exact people who would want an intake.

yeah i think the antihydrolock thing is cool on the aem but much like the shift knobs and weak lighting kits and terrible terrible upgrade wheels http://www.scion.com/drive/accessories/detail_images/wheels/xb_alloy_wheel.jpg the aem intake was part of a hasty rush to market.


Disregarding the MAF screws :D can you take a picture of your Injen intake installed without the coupler on the tb and showing the rubber mount?

sorry no digital camera

sorry no digital camera

And I was just in Vegas :?

No more arguing from me here.

You can just read about me and my exploits in a book instead.

http://home.earthlink.net/~rjsnell/Photos/injen_intake.jpg

Can you take off the coupler and move the ground cable out of the way so we can see the rubber mount?

I completely agree with Besk....we should have a shoot out.

But the only thing is that using intakes from donor cars are not going to be effective.

Why?

Discrepancy in the usage of each intake can come into play so the manufacturers can use that as an excuse. The only way that could work is if we got a pretty much "fresh" intake from each company or from a car that has LOW miles on it.

If you need a test mule....my car is bone stock so I would love to volunteer my car just so that we can get the damn results and settle this dispute.

As for the panel idea.....i think that's great. As for being biases or unbiased, everyone is but its the numbers that we go by not judgemental feelings.

Now the only thing is we have to find a dyno that's on neutral ground that is willing to let us use it to test to get those numbers.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37502#37502

Put up--or shut up.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37502#37502

Put up--or shut up.

Prolly not. :wink:

Well--at least instead of bench racing and butt dynos--Mark actually tested all these fabled intakes.

You got any better that we should see?

Well--at least instead of bench racing and butt dynos--Mark actually tested all these fabled intakes.

You got any better that we should see?

Just wait. It's actually on my car right now.

Pulls great, sounds great, I hope numbers can be released soon. As far as testing goes I hope I can do a shootout myself and invite all others for the day. I have to run that by the bigs first.