I just talked with a guy who works for Eaton, and he said he'll call parts department to see who actually makes brackets for Scions (they supply the supercharger unit to Japanese company) and he said he'll look into how he can get those. I'll post you guys for any new info, which I might get it as soon as Tue. to see if they could actually market those to U.S market. :)

you sure? blitz buys from Lysholm/whipple.. twin screw..

Somethings like this?

http://www.hopupracing.com/blcosytoscxa.html

Keep us posted Kaz!

Somethings like this?

http://www.hopupracing.com/blcosytoscxa.html

So let me get this straight, the most I can expect from that supercharger kit is 30HP ?

Anyone have an idea where I can get the scion up to 200hp ?

Engine swap

Check out this link to E.L. Prototypes. It explains (probably) why boost is so low on existing s/c kits.
http://elprototypes.com/1nz%20turbo.htm

that or stroked , rods , pistons , fuel upgrades , turbo . the swap would be cheaper and probably alot more reliable

hey kaz keep us updated , allthough eatons are expensive they are also good.

i'll take a whipple any day over an eaton..

I wish I could afford any of the S/C!!! I would love 30 hp and no altitude issues. 7000+ feet really kills performance.

Somethings like this?

http://www.hopupracing.com/blcosytoscxa.html

So let me get this straight, the most I can expect from that supercharger kit is 30HP ?

Anyone have an idea where I can get the scion up to 200hp ?

Well...

Engine swap

It appears that 10.5:1 compression and internals that aren't meant to be boosted means that manufacturers of S/C and turbo setups don't want to pump too much boost into these engines. Sounds resonable to me.
I'm sure you could put down 200hp with nitrous. Nitrous likes compression. :)

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I'm sure you could put down 200hp with nitrous. Nitrous likes compression. :)
ha ha youre funny . try a 50 shot anything more and kaboom . if i were to gas i'd run a 35

A 50 shot seems to make sense. Isn't the rule of thumb "1/2 your horsepower" or something like that?
The "shot" seems to poorly corilate with the actual hp that it bumps you up. At least that's what I've seen a few times on other people's dynos. So a 50 shot might give you 60 more at the wheels...pretty close to 200 crank.

Anyway... :blah: <----me

It's cool to see an aftermarket for this car. My previous car had all of 2 exhaust systems out for about 3 years. Then it bumped up to 4 or 5 choices. :clap: There was 1 s/c choice after a few years - Vortec - with a 100% failure rate (seals, looong shaft that liked to shear, etc etc). I'm just happy to see S/C and turbo kits already out! I don't think I'd ever buy one of 'em, but it's still cool.

actually most people that have run 50 shots have hurt their motors and people have killed their motors with 75 shots . and to the contrary u get less horsepower than the shot number especially on smaller displacement motors.

35..i have nos...these motors suck lol

I've dun a 100shot :)

I've never heard of anyone on here popping their motor from boost, or nitrous... hmmm...

I've dun a 100shot :)

hey its joe....

so how did that 100 shot hold up......
hows the new project????

actually most people that have run 50 shots have hurt their motors and people have killed their motors with 75 shots . and to the contrary u get less horsepower than the shot number especially on smaller displacement motors.

Ok, good to know.

I've never heard of anyone on here popping their motor from boost, or nitrous... hmmm...
el prototypes , boost
allblackxb , boost
and i'm sure many many more . nitrous not sure if any inz has blown it but
unlmtdendeavor (sp) said his gassing has messed his motor up.

I've never heard of anyone on here popping their motor from boost, or nitrous... hmmm...
el prototypes , boost
allblackxb , boost
and i'm sure many many more . nitrous not sure if any inz has blown it but
unlmtdendeavor (sp) said his gassing has messed his motor up.
showpaojoe...i think he did it twice...

showpaojoe...i think he did it twice...

:doh: :ponder: :eyebrow: :doh:

I put a Power Enterprise PE300 on back in July of 04. They claim a 40% increase over stock. They dynoed their bB in Japan and it had 150 hp. It makes a huge difference over stock. I have had nothing to blow up in the xB yet. I am running 7 lbs of boost right now. I am going up to 11 lbs. As soon as a few pieces come in. I am going to the dyno when that is done. I am glad to see more supercharger coming out for the xB. And more people putting them on.

to safely boost over 7psi (daily) you will need rods. and of course better fuel. the pistons , crank , head , block and such will take more , you will also need a block guard , (good time to stroke)

I put a Power Enterprise PE300 on back in July of 04. They claim a 40% increase over stock. They dynoed their bB in Japan and it had 150 hp. It makes a huge difference over stock. I have had nothing to blow up in the xB yet. I am running 7 lbs of boost right now. I am going up to 11 lbs. As soon as a few pieces come in. I am going to the dyno when that is done. I am glad to see more supercharger coming out for the xB. And more people putting them on.
I know the PE is centrifugal. How long does it take to "spool"? Have you noticed any lag (so to speak)?

to safely boost over 7psi (daily) you will need rods. and of course better fuel. the pistons , crank , head , block and such will take more , you will also need a block guard , (good time to stroke)

not really......
at least not yet....

I put a Power Enterprise PE300 on back in July of 04. They claim a 40% increase over stock. They dynoed their bB in Japan and it had 150 hp. It makes a huge difference over stock. I have had nothing to blow up in the xB yet. I am running 7 lbs of boost right now. I am going up to 11 lbs. As soon as a few pieces come in. I am going to the dyno when that is done. I am glad to see more supercharger coming out for the xB. And more people putting them on.
I know the PE is centrifugal. How long does it take to "spool"? Have you noticed any lag (so to speak)?

it does not 'spool' as it is belt driven....
you feel it around 3200 rpms though...

to safely boost over 7psi (daily) you will need rods. and of course better fuel. the pistons , crank , head , block and such will take more , you will also need a block guard , (good time to stroke)

And I bet you know from boosting your Scion, don't you?

Leave things like that to be sorted out by the people that actually have the balls to TRY it. All you are doing is scaring people with information you heard 3rd party. I've been boosting my car since August... I'm running around 8-9lbs daily on 93 octane.

It takes tuning, and it takes finesse and quite frankly It's a complete pain in the ___... but I did it successfully, and will continue to do it until it shoots a rod through the block, at which point I will replace the engine. Big deal -- a 400 dollar Echo engine and I'm back where I started.

Anyhow, have fun answering questions and addressing concerns that you have no direct knowledge of.

to safely boost over 7psi (daily) you will need rods. and of course better fuel. the pistons , crank , head , block and such will take more , you will also need a block guard , (good time to stroke)

And I bet you know from boosting your Scion, don't you?

Leave things like that to be sorted out by the people that actually have the balls to TRY it. All you are doing is scaring people with information you heard 3rd party. I've been boosting my car since August... I'm running around 8-9lbs daily on 93 octane.

It takes tuning, and it takes finesse and quite frankly It's a complete pain in the ___... but I did it successfully, and will continue to do it until it shoots a rod through the block, at which point I will replace the engine. Big deal -- a 400 dollar Echo engine and I'm back where I started.

Anyhow, have fun answering questions and addressing concerns that you have no direct knowledge of.
just wait till the rods break at the wrist pins. i understand that it's only another 400 to get another motor but in ca motors have to be the same model year or newer. and it's not about balls , cuz no matter how much bosst or whatever these cars are damned slow , all i'm sharing is knowledge . If i had the money to get a f.i. kit i'd have one , but I don't I guess that just makes all that i've learned wrong eh?And I know 2nd hand , allblackxb was running with boost for awhile untill just recently , threw a rod. I'm not trying to scare anyone , all I'm doing is letting people know that nothing is a complete bolt on and nothing will be a simple ,easy, unlimited power source once installed.

I put a Power Enterprise PE300 on back in July of 04. They claim a 40% increase over stock. They dynoed their bB in Japan and it had 150 hp. It makes a huge difference over stock. I have had nothing to blow up in the xB yet. I am running 7 lbs of boost right now. I am going up to 11 lbs. As soon as a few pieces come in. I am going to the dyno when that is done. I am glad to see more supercharger coming out for the xB. And more people putting them on.
at 7 psi daily how does the car feel? are you running a header ? i have been thinking about this kit for myself. :ponder:

at 11-12 it is a whip....
really need to ghange the final drive gears to use the power better.
running on the highway doing 80 @ 4000rpm with 5 psi just does not seem right....

hey dg i'm not hating but go to a shop and let them check your boost.. if you had 11-12 lbs of boost youd be at the 165 hp range. way fast youd be in the 13's.

165 hp range. way fast youd be in the 13's.
I haven't seen any E.T. s but I'd say no way on the 13s. That's just wishfull thinking. 14s? Perhaps

it is 11.7 max boost...checked out with three different meters....
one with the blitz digital with peak hold....

so basically 12 psi thats gotta be nuts . i know you wont be in the tens but even a 14 something would be fun.

yeah, the butt-o-meter says mid 14's....not to mention that i have a full a/v system and dynomated box.
i must have added 400 lbs (plus my fat bastard butt).
the extra weight hurts the little box....

dude if yer runnin 11.7 it will blow very quickly cuz people have blown it with less.

well i'm thinking high 13's cuz 145whp will be mid 14's .

dude if yer runnin 11.7 it will blow very quickly cuz people have blown it with less.
doubt it if you want, but i know what i've got...
no problems other than the clutch...

if people had problems, they don't know how to tune...
its been running 11-12 psi from the day i put it on. took two weeks to tune the fuel so it won't lean out and go 'boom', or be heavy.

dude if yer runnin 11.7 it will blow very quickly cuz people have blown it with less.
i took a ride in dhl's box it was runnin 12psi no bs :D

hmmm i highly highly doubt it cuz if turbo kit makers are only boosting 7psi but could easily boost 11 or 12 why would they only boost 6 or 7 or maybe 8? and el prototypes blew theirs with 8 lbs of boost. .........well they didnt but another shop that was doing non motor work decided to have fun with it and they blew it with only 8lbs boost. allblackxb blew his with i believe 7lbs boost.

can i see some sort of dyno? or 1/4 slip timesheet.

From my knowledge of boost and these motors 12 psi daily will kill it. i know i know only a 400 dollar motor but still a pain in the bum if it ever happens.

if i keep this motor i will run the p.e. s/c with header , custom cold air , full exhaust , and a nice bit of headwork. i think the motor with these mods can come up to about 160 or so whp. but just the header exhaust and s/c i highly doubt it having soo much power. i know it's alot faster than h.e.i. but still. i'm just one of the kinds of people that needs proof.

and the reason all the motors have blown was not lack of proper tuning it was the rod breaking near the wrist pin

well i'm thinking high 13's cuz 145whp will be mid 14's .

In what car?

Sure the xB is light, but I'd wager that it's not optimal for drag racing (traction, motor mounts, etc).

Sorry, I don't mean to be a pest or a nay-sayer. :no:

hmm engine swap is not a bad idea,wish i could fit a 2005 corolla 1.8 vvt-i in my box with the xb weighting 2400 lbs that sucka would fly.......... :eyebrow:

hmm engine swap is not a bad idea,wish i could fit a 2005 corolla 1.8 vvt-i in my box with the xb weighting 2400 lbs that sucka would fly.......... :eyebrow:
yeah that is 130hp just add the trd supercharger and youre ready to go
with trd sc header , exhaust and a custom cold air intake think like 170+ whp. and more tq than a 2zz. oh and the 1zz tranny is the same case as the xb so... bolt in.

well i'm thinking high 13's cuz 145whp will be mid 14's .

In what car?

Sure the xB is light, but I'd wager that it's not optimal for drag racing (traction, motor mounts, etc).

Sorry, I don't mean to be a pest or a nay-sayer. :no:
actually the xbs tall gearing helps it accelerate quite quickly.

hmm engine swap is not a bad idea,wish i could fit a 2005 corolla 1.8 vvt-i in my box with the xb weighting 2400 lbs that sucka would fly.......... :eyebrow:
Doesn't that have the 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine? Folks are saying that it can be done.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43109&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25

hmm engine swap is not a bad idea,wish i could fit a 2005 corolla 1.8 vvt-i in my box with the xb weighting 2400 lbs that sucka would fly.......... :eyebrow:
Doesn't that have the 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine? Folks are saying that it can be done.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43109&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
it would be easy to do. and the standard corolla and s use the 1zz as well as being used in celica gt , the xrs matrix , corolla , and celica gts is the 2zz.

hmm engine swap is not a bad idea,wish i could fit a 2005 corolla 1.8 vvt-i in my box with the xb weighting 2400 lbs that sucka would fly.......... :eyebrow:
Doesn't that have the 1ZZ or 2ZZ engine? Folks are saying that it can be done.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43109&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
it would be easy to do. and the standard corolla and s use the 1zz as well as being used in celica gt , the xrs matrix , corolla , and celica gts is the 2zz.
My girlfriend has a Celica. I wonder if she'd notice if I switched engines with her(LOL).

nah probably not , just ya know do it quick . and add stereo into her car at the same time just say the extra weight made it slower. lol , ha ha. do it man easy swap. swap out ecu's and everything. tranny's too , damn plop one in pluck one out.

hmmm i highly highly doubt it cuz if turbo kit makers are only boosting 7psi but could easily boost 11 or 12 why would they only boost 6 or 7 or maybe 8? and el prototypes blew theirs with 8 lbs of boost. .........well they didnt but another shop that was doing non motor work decided to have fun with it and they blew it with only 8lbs boost. allblackxb blew his with i believe 7lbs boost.

can i see some sort of dyno? or 1/4 slip timesheet.

From my knowledge of boost and these motors 12 psi daily will kill it. i know i know only a 400 dollar motor but still a pain in the bum if it ever happens.

if i keep this motor i will run the p.e. s/c with header , custom cold air , full exhaust , and a nice bit of headwork. i think the motor with these mods can come up to about 160 or so whp. but just the header exhaust and s/c i highly doubt it having soo much power. i know it's alot faster than h.e.i. but still. i'm just one of the kinds of people that needs proof.

and the reason all the motors have blown was not lack of proper tuning it was the rod breaking near the wrist pin

dyno sheet will come after the clutch is replaced...
its been running 12 psi since October....
if you keep the motor we will have the same setup...(minus the head work...i notice you didn't say anything about rods!!!)
the PE unit come with an intake (will b making a new one because it looks like crap in there.

i find it hard to believe the rods crack at the wrist pins, the rods have an offset crank bearing to reduce the stress on the rods....

just do it and become a believer

actually the offset crank reduces friction on the piston wrings against the cylinder walls. They used the offset crank as a way of gaining 15% better fuel economy and getting less wear on the walls and rings. .... but the weird off camber setup creates an odd stress when pushed down too hard , too fast . resulting in breakage.

If I were to run a pe s/c I wouldnt boost 11 or 12 psi , at 7 psi the rods will not have problems , so I would boost at most 8psi. but the kit is 7psi and since I wont be changing the pulley the psi created by the supercharger stays the same .

I'm tellin ya man go to www.howstuffworks.com and look up how a supercharger works. I know the pe comes with an intake but it's sucking hot air.

I'm not arguing to argue I think you're a cool guy I just think something isnt quite right , perhaps the boost gauge is hooked up to an incorrect vacumm line? Who knows all i'm saying is if these motors could safely run with 11 or 12 psi wouldnt all the turbo and supercharger kits boost at that level? What other upgrades have you done? If u are pushing 11 or 12 psi you would need massively improved fuel and spark tuning. more than what comes in a pe kit.

hmm I just wanna see the dyno lol.

If I go f.i. with the 1nz I will run a pe s/c . That's if I keep the 1nz, I just see alot more potential with the 1zz powerplant. I mean right out of the box it has almost the same hp as most f.i. 1nz kits are making. Not to mention the power of a modded TRD supercharged 1zz. a modded s/c'd 1zz can easily have 200 whp . and around 170tq.

Oh and the reason I would not be adding rods is 1 cracking the motor , 2 there are no rods made for this motor and they would have to be custom fabbed. alot of money.

i know how superchargers work....kinda stupid of me to put a supercharger on my car if i didn't know how it worked....lol

the boost gauge is in the pipe about 14-16 inches from the throttle body...no vacuum lines...i only wanted to read boost...

don't worry about arguing, right now its all been a good discussion....
all i am saying is that i am running 12psi safely, so far...i am not sure how long this will last, but so far its all been good to me...(keeps fingers crossed)


and i want to see the dyno numbers myself...(i am feeling 145-150hp..i think i can get another 5 in the mid band with some more tuning...)...who knows...i'll get the box run soon after the clutch is done...

i would love to tweak a 1zz motor next...

Have you seen any dynos of the PE300 with stock boost? If it can get up to around 135 WHP safely I'll probably go for it.

I keep seeing $400 for the motor thrown around, is that for the entire motor? If so then I don't much care if I blow it. My family owns a tranny shop so the motor is all I am concerned about. Has anyone actually looked up the cost for a brand new motor just in case?

ebay..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7952024825&category=33615&sspagename=WDVW

400 is normally a long block jdm style or a thrashed full us motor. pr5oblem with ebay is sure it's 300 but the shipping is at leas t200 so... lol.

oh and if stock 7psi of boost with a pe is 135 at 11 or 12 psi you'd have approximately 170 hp. hell probably more.
hey dg what fuel and spark tuning do you have?

motor with 700 miles and 5 spd tranny 650.00 with 3yr 36,000 mile warranty (just as good as toyota's...lol)

emanage, but i think i'm gonna switchto s-afc II

motor with 700 miles and 5 spd tranny 650.00 with 3yr 36,000 mile warranty (just as good as toyota's...lol)
it said 16k at that auction.


hey this is for all in case you havent read any of e.l. prototypes stuff

Quote:
It responds to boost quite nicely with a properly sized turbo. But its downfalls are the internals and its engine management.
Lets touch on the internals. First and foremost are the rods. Although quite strong for their size, they are designed for normal aspiration only. A half point higher in compression is about all they can handle daily without failure. Once boost is added to the equation, it becomes Russian roulette as to when they will let loose. You may last eight months with 50,000 miles or blow it the first pass down the street; there are no warning signs.


Quote:
These engines have the crankshaft offset 12mm to the thrust side of the cylinder bore centerline. This reduces the side force generated at maximum compression, for reduced friction and improved fuel economy. Toyota calculates the offset crankshaft configuration reduces fuel consumption by between one and three percent. Unfortunately, this throws the angle of the rod way out on its upward travel causing the rod to just give up under boost and snap. If there is any detonation or pre-ignition this breakage will occur at an accelerated rate.

i'd be half interested in picking up a 1nzfe engine for complete build up.. but i haven't a garage to put it in!

i'd be half interested in picking up a 1nzfe engine for complete build up.. but i haven't a garage to put it in! yeah one built motor for boost and one stocker for warranty work. lol. a buddy of mine is doing that same thing but cannot justify the high price for pistons and rods. so his project is on hold.

motor with 700 miles and 5 spd tranny 650.00 with 3yr 36,000 mile warranty (just as good as toyota's...lol)
it said 16k at that auction.


yeah the auction is 16k...
the one i bought last week was 700. little old lady had an 2003 echo (might be 2002)
the car was hit in the drivers front and broke one trans mount...

motor with 700 miles and 5 spd tranny 650.00 with 3yr 36,000 mile warranty (just as good as toyota's...lol)
it said 16k at that auction.


yeah the auction is 16k...
the one i bought last week was 700. little old lady had an 2003 echo (might be 2002)
the car was hit in the drivers front and broke one trans mount...
gotcha.

140 hp with a supercharger, what are you runnin bro..... let me in on the info, what type of sc u using, cuz im looking to purchase one right now.... looking at the TSI extreme turbo from turbo-kits.com....... he got me a deal............let mek now

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.
thanks, i got what he said ^^^^

PE 300 . its a good kit. it will make a stock clutch cry....lol

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.
thanks, i got what he said ^^^^

PE 300 . its a good kit. it will make a stock clutch cry....lol i take it u recommend the s/c/ kit then...... does it have a bov, i heard that kit did? duno though, how much u get it for..........

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.
Most def for a manual trans. I'm thinking that because the Blitz hits right away (screw type rather then centrifugal) it might be a better choice for the automatic.

it does have a blow off valve (well kida...it recircs the excess back into the intake...no vent to the atmosphere.)

got it on ebay...new in the box...

emanage, but i think i'm gonna switchto s-afc II

WHAT!?!??!?!?!?! I take it you don't have the Support Tool, Ignition Harness, and Injector harnesses????????? The S-AFC II is a JOKE compared to emanage!!!!

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.
Most def for a manual trans. I'm thinking that because the Blitz hits right away (screw type rather then centrifugal) it might be a better choice for the automatic.

That doesn't make any sense....

emanage, but i think i'm gonna switchto s-afc II

WHAT!?!??!?!?!?! I take it you don't have the Support Tool, Ignition Harness, and Injector harnesses????????? The S-AFC II is a JOKE compared to emanage!!!!
so the e-manage really is the best huh? now I know what I'll be getting if I go f.i.

he's running the power enterprises centrifugal supercharger. it is the best supercharger out for our cars right now.
Most def for a manual trans. I'm thinking that because the Blitz hits right away (screw type rather then centrifugal) it might be a better choice for the automatic.

That doesn't make any sense....
Why not? The PE doesn't start to really kick in till around 3200 RPM. With a manual you can rev it up a bit at standstill. Not with an automatic. I guess you could do neutral drops, but aside from that.... If what you are looking for is low end power then a screw type might make more sense.

hmmm i highly highly doubt it cuz if turbo kit makers are only boosting 7psi but could easily boost 11 or 12 why would they only boost 6 or 7 or maybe 8? and el prototypes blew theirs with 8 lbs of boost. .........well they didnt but another shop that was doing non motor work decided to have fun with it and they blew it with only 8lbs boost. allblackxb blew his with i believe 7lbs boost.

can i see some sort of dyno? or 1/4 slip timesheet.

From my knowledge of boost and these motors 12 psi daily will kill it. i know i know only a 400 dollar motor but still a pain in the bum if it ever happens.

if i keep this motor i will run the p.e. s/c with header , custom cold air , full exhaust , and a nice bit of headwork. i think the motor with these mods can come up to about 160 or so whp. but just the header exhaust and s/c i highly doubt it having soo much power. i know it's alot faster than h.e.i. but still. i'm just one of the kinds of people that needs proof.

and the reason all the motors have blown was not lack of proper tuning it was the rod breaking near the wrist pin
really bro im just saying what i saw . it was 12 psi . if i didn't see it for my self I WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT MY SELF. it was pretty scary . i thought foreshore that this motor couldn't take it . i am planning to run the p.e with a header myself with at most 8 psi . i wouldn't be abel to bring my self to 12 . i did give a thought to a motor swap i think the celica 2zz would do just fine in my box.

emanage, but i think i'm gonna switchto s-afc II

WHAT!?!??!?!?!?! I take it you don't have the Support Tool, Ignition Harness, and Injector harnesses????????? The S-AFC II is a JOKE compared to emanage!!!!

no, i don't have the extras...
i miss having a display there to review at any time...i don't always feel like toting around the lappy.....

You need a lap top hooked up all the time for e-manage? lame . I dont need tuning that in depth. hell I'd have to add another 2k to my turbo price just to buy a lap topper.

no, the lappy is only to see whats going on....it will work with out the lappy just fine...
e manage is ment to be tuned and locked away....'set it and forget it ' kinda thing. but i will tune as the weather changes...so i pulling out ---tuning--putting it away every month or so.

I guess I'd still need a lappy , damn. my girl has one but it's a damned apple.

so with a "stock" motor, I could slap on a intake, exsaust, and a supercharger and get the scion xb up to 175-180hp?

cause if thats the case, I would like to ask what just an intake, and exsaust would get me?

so with a "stock" motor, I could slap on a intake, exsaust, and a supercharger and get the scion xb up to 175-180hp?

cause if thats the case, I would like to ask what just an intake, and exsaust would get me? With headwork , tuning and luck probably.

so what would just an exsaust, and intake get me?

so what would just an exsaust, and intake get me?
Probably 6 to 10 hp. Perhaps over 10 with a full cat back, header and grounding etc..

so what would just an exsaust, and intake get me?
Probably 6 to 10 hp. Perhaps over 10 with a full cat back, header and grounding etc..Yeah about 7-12 whp with header , intake , exhaust. ground , iridiums and luck. maybe up to 15 if you're box is special.

$100 per HP, no thanks :):)

$100 per HP, no thanks :):)Someone is buying overpriced crap if it's 100 per horse.

header - $250-280
axleback - 300-500
catback - custom - 300-500
grounding kit $20-100
intake 150-250
iridiums $40-50

mid-range cost for all of these components is almost $1000..

add it up..

everything you listed can be had for about half....(new of course)
thats based on what i paid for the same items (and they were all name brand stuff...). i could have got them cheaper but i couldn't wait....lol

super daves car definitly whistles more then it should if it was only pulling only 7- 9 lbs... and he still needs to find me a deal on a sc :eyebrow:

will it fit under an xA's hood????

danm anybody able to score nice deals with the kit, i am sponsored by vivid racing i guess, lol, but they didnt get back o me yet on discounts and stuff..............dunno though i hope to install this type of kit before the end of April, anybody have dyno results of this kit? help us all out people, dont hold back...............thanks......... Pete

im pretty sure i can make it fit... maybe at the next meet i go to we can check it out, how's the management that came with it?

no management comes with it....uses the factory ecu.

it compensates the increased need for fuel by using a larger (as in flow rate) fuel pump. and changing the presure regulator....