What do you all think of the Toyo Proxes 4 in general, but more importantly in the snow and rain. There aren't that many reviews of them out there and they've not been tested by consumer reports or any other car magazine as far as I know.

Based on the look of the tire, they seem to be a performance oriented tire, but can they handle the rain and the snow? (hopefully someone on here has em) As much detail as anyone can give would be great!

http://www.1010tires.com/images/tires/Toyo/toyo_proxes4_lg.jpg

Toyo Proxes 4 at 1010tires.com (http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tiremodel=Proxes+4&tirebrand=Toyo)

you've got pm'ed aboout the tire!!

So the dry and wet handling is great, but yea, living in Puerto Rico no sabrías mucho sobre la nieve! It must be nice!

thats right!

did you check the ratings on the site i sent you?

Yes, and they look great. Snow is just the only question in my mind and I plan on using them year round. So thats why i'm trying to find someone who has driven them in the snow in a tC for a more accurate comparison.

The problem with those websites in my mind, is that almost any tire is better than stock and these people are usually comparing the new tires they get to the stocks b/c it is all they have driven on up until that point, so of course they are going to say its better. I like when consumer reports does articles on tires b/c it is much more accurate and unbiased. Unfortunately they haven't done anything on the Toyos. So I am just hoping for someone in a tC to tell me that they haven't had much difficulty in them driving in the light snow.

amazing tire! amazing in rain. i live in fl.. so i see my share of rain.

Awesome, rain stability is really important to me as I usually find myself out driving in some sort of weather!

How sticky do you find them to be on the dry pavement? From the look of them, I would have to say incredible...

Any reviews for light snow? I'll even accept deep snow and ice reviews, lol.

I pm'd you back!

^^ thanks

But still no snow/ice reviews :ponder: A lot of toyo owners must live in the south, lol

my pop's got some on his A6.....loves him.....much better than the stockers in the snow...im sure AWD helps out a little but those things are perfect ohio snow....honestly though...if i were you....i'd grab some kuhmo asx's from tire rack for the drier months and a nice set of snow shoes for the winter months. you might end up paying 100-200 more....but you'll be much happier when the snow comes....i just dont know if the toyo's would be up to NY snow....i think you need a dedicated set for that...the kuhmo's are performance-budget-allseason tires so that'll cover you for when you dont need the snow shoes and will end up costing prolly 150 or so less than the proxes 4's. good luck man!!

Thanks for the advice. You're right about the snow tire. I want ideally to go with the B-stone blizzaks and get a nice summer tire, its just too much money and hassle right now. Thats why i've decided, after MUCH debate, to go with the all-seasons. I know that no all-season can match up to a snow tire in the snow, but i'm just hoping that the toyos can keep me safe if i'm careful. Quite honestly, i just don't plan on leaving the house in the tC if there is more than 3 in on the ground. I'd take my dads m35x for that! lol

If there are any more reviews out there, PLEASE keep em comin!

bump, still looking for more info on the proxes 4 and just toyos in general - there are no professional reviews out there for em!

toyo's, including the proxes 4s are consistently rated as the one of the top tires around....but how bout this....tell us your budget and we'll see what else is around that could fit your needs better or with less money

its not so much about that, its that I want to be sure that the Toyos are rated highly b/c they deserve to be. Car & Driver, Consumer Reports, etc - nobody has tested them for real. The only ratings that exist are from people who use em which tends to be fairly unreliable. Unfortunately, thats all that exists, so I just wanted to know what tC owners think of em on the tC.

I can afford em, I just want to be as close to 100% sure as possible! Thanks for the help guys

i have them and i think they are good tires! but i havent drivin my car in the winter yet so i have no clue on the snow thing

First of all if your guying to buy the Toyo's, buy from www.edgeracing.com ... theyre prices are insane.

Second of all, I had the TP4s on my Grand Am that I owned previous to the tC (pictures in link in sig) and amazing tires while cornering, dry and the wet traction was actually better than my Potenza Pole Position S03 (a damn near competition tire)

As far as the snow, simply put... no. I dont recommend it, they only saw a little bit of snow, untill the winter wheels and tires I ordered came in (now conveinently on the tC ;) ) but they didnt perform well at all. Under braking they would cause the ABS to engage pretty quick, and even then I would still slide alot. One thing that may help is if you have a m5 tC, as you can engine brake to start the slowing process. A siping service would help, but ... realistically any "directional performance" and especially a UHPAS (ultra high performance passanger) tire are going to suck in the snow.

Oh and one more positive, the 300 tread rating is nearly double the stock Yokos/Bridgestones and should last many seasons.

I reccomend just spending the exta 4-500 and getting some winter steelies and snow tires, I payed $494 out the door for 4 15" steelies, and 4 Semperit Sport Grip Tires(amazing value winter tire) to use during the winter, best decision I have ever made.

Thanks for the nice review. That is exactly what I was worried about with these tires (the snow). If I were to do snow tires, I would just slap some summer tires on now, but going with an all-season, I was trying to eliminate that problem.

My 2nd choice to the Toyo proxes 4 are the michelin pilot exalto a/s which are much more expensive, but have a 45K mile treadwear warranty, are rated VERY highly in consumer reports and are better in the snow. But the 2 bad things about them is that they are at least $155 each and are slightly less of a performance tire than the proxes4.

I like the fact that wet handling is so good though, but that makes me believe it is barely an all-season and bordering on a summer tire, b/c summer tires are superior for dry and wet but CAN'T handle the snow.

Im not sure who told you that the Proxes4 are an all season, they definately are not. They are a UHPAS summer tire. Now on edge racing you can get a TP4 for like $90 a tire, a $65 savings (over those mich tires) which you could put towards a set of winter tires and steelies, and thats what i recommend. If your not running a fully rebuilt NA engine, or some sort of forced induction, I dont see you outhandling the TP4s in our tC, if anything I see the TP4s out handling our stock suspension. I had a pretty stiff suspension set up in the Grand Am and never had a problem running out of traction with those tires at all, ever.

If thats the case though that they are really a summer tire, then I have to go with the Michelins. I too want to go with the winter setup, but God knows I can't afford it. I can only afford to buy 1 set of tires. In the future, I will do 2, but for now, if the proxes4s are a summer tire, then I have to go with the Michelins.

On this website which people have sent me to, it is listed as an all-season. Is that not actually the case?
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Toyo&tiremodel=Proxes+4

I was just out speaking to some tire places, town fair and mavis to be specific. They told me I was crazy for looking at some of the other tires to purchase and I should get the toyo p4 without a doubt. They gave me $116.50 per tire which comes out to $555 out the door (tax/mounting/balancing). Does this sound like a good price to all of you having bought them?

yeah it is an all-season tire. All-season basically means that the tread compound can put up with a colder temperature and still have grip.. If someone had a summer-only tire and used it in anything, let's say, lower than 30-35 degrees then the tire wouldn't be able to grip until it warmed up. Just sliding around on dry but frozen pavement like as if there was ice.

The snow performance comes from also the tread compound, what it's made up of. The proxes4 is a silica-based compound. Which is why it does so well in wet conditions. I've seen the silica-based compound do really well in wet compared to a couple years ago the tires were mostly carbon-black based (horrible in cold and wet).
I haven't seen any snow yet but based on the wet and cold I've seen so far, yes this tire will probably be fine in the snow. Sure, any snow tire would out perform this, but for me if it has like 3-4 inches of snow, I will go slow and just get home. That's all an all-season is supposed to do anyway. If someone wants to go out in a snow bank and drive nuts, snow tires are for that.. lol

I was just out speaking to some tire places, town fair and mavis to be specific. They told me I was crazy for looking at some of the other tires to purchase and I should get the toyo p4 without a doubt. They gave me $116.50 per tire which comes out to $555 out the door (tax/mounting/balancing). Does this sound like a good price to all of you having bought them?

that price of 116.50 is about what i've seen from local toyo dealers..

I stand corrected:
http://www.toyo.com/docs/tires/tires.asp?lpid=18970&name=Proxes%204™&category=luxury

Thats all the information straight from Toyo on that tire.

And I dont know about that price, if thats good or not, depends on what the charge for balancing is itself. Those tires would cost $370 shipped to your door, plus cost of balancing at a tire shop, if you ordered them through http://www.edgeracing.com/tire/897/

I am doing the 225/45-17. I'm not sure which tire price that is, but the 225 is $93 a tire with $47 shipping. 93*4=372+47=$419 total. Still, that is a nice price. Then I would have to pay a tire place to do the install. My local tire dealer (town fair tire) said that they won't touch anyone elses tires. The advantage to getting it from there is that they do free tire rotations for life, free flat repairs (if it can't be fixed they replace it free), *free wheel alignment when I first buy them*, and a 30 day trial period. So yes, your right that it will probably cost around $50 more, but it may be worth it - i dunno, what do you guys think?

Sciontc_mich - you're absolutely right about the snow. I personally wouldn't even care if I had snow tires on. It is still a little scion tC, not a huge SUV with awd. I'd plan on just getting home safely and SLOWLY lol.
Interesting what you said about the compound though, that explains a lot

I would buy it from your locals since what they are offering is pretty darn good you never know when any of those accidents might happen so I would go with them.

Thats true, and its around the corner from my house, so its quite convenient as well.

As the winter is coming up, please post some reviews on here for how they handle in the light snow (for those of you who actually get some!)

:lol: come on guys help a fellow tC owner out!!! we know you're out there wanting to help.

I am doing the 225/45-17. I'm not sure which tire price that is, but the 225 is $93 a tire with $47 shipping. 93*4=372+47=$419 total. Still, that is a nice price. Then I would have to pay a tire place to do the install. My local tire dealer (town fair tire) said that they won't touch anyone elses tires. The advantage to getting it from there is that they do free tire rotations for life, free flat repairs (if it can't be fixed they replace it free), *free wheel alignment when I first buy them*, and a 30 day trial period. So yes, your right that it will probably cost around $50 more, but it may be worth it - i dunno, what do you guys think?

Sciontc_mich - you're absolutely right about the snow. I personally wouldn't even care if I had snow tires on. It is still a little scion tC, not a huge SUV with awd. I'd plan on just getting home safely and SLOWLY lol.
Interesting what you said about the compound though, that explains a lot

Ahh well if they include they include replacement certificates then for sure get it done locally, I wasnt sure with the tire size you were going with.

Also to let you know, your speedo will be ~ 1.4% off, aka at 60mph on your speedo, you will actually be going 61, but thats a relatively low difference. This will actually also throw your ODO off a bit too, but again its a pretty minor difference and the 225's will protect the rim face a little better as well.

Thats true, and its around the corner from my house, so its quite convenient as well.

As the winter is coming up, please post some reviews on here for how they handle in the light snow (for those of you who actually get some!)

If it helps anymore a customer at the dealership I work at has these on his RX8 and just put his wheels/tires in storage for a set of Blizzaks. Granted thats also a 9000rpm RWD "sports car" so Im sure they are a little less mild mannered.

I do know that as soon as it got cold (w/o snow) there was also a huge loss of traction. I did a huge burn out one night when I was ticked off with a half throttle launch from a stop sign... wasnt intending to do it at all. Mind you this was in a highly power overstated (read: 140wtq V6...___) AUTOMATIC Grand Am... no rain, just very cold out. In normal temps (60+) I could barely squeek them unless I was brake-torqueing the hell out of it.

From what I have read Silica compounds lose much of thier "Stickyness" i.e. traction at tempuratues less than 38*

Would anyone pick Toyo Proxes 4 over Falken FK452? I really REALLY want Falkens but the price is hard for me to afford right now.

From what I have read Silica compounds lose much of thier "Stickyness" i.e. traction at tempuratues less than 38*

hmm.. i've seen just the opposite, the silica based compounds for non-snow tires are great.. it was the black carbon based tires couple years ago, that were slippery in temps lower than the 30's.. the silica based compound has been great in down to -10, lowest it got here last year..

I am doing the 225/45-17. I'm not sure which tire price that is, but the 225 is $93 a tire with $47 shipping. 93*4=372+47=$419 total. Still, that is a nice price. Then I would have to pay a tire place to do the install. My local tire dealer (town fair tire) said that they won't touch anyone elses tires. The advantage to getting it from there is that they do free tire rotations for life, free flat repairs (if it can't be fixed they replace it free), *free wheel alignment when I first buy them*, and a 30 day trial period. So yes, your right that it will probably cost around $50 more, but it may be worth it - i dunno, what do you guys think?

Sciontc_mich - you're absolutely right about the snow. I personally wouldn't even care if I had snow tires on. It is still a little scion tC, not a huge SUV with awd. I'd plan on just getting home safely and SLOWLY lol.
Interesting what you said about the compound though, that explains a lot

yeah i just commented above this one to the compounds.. i've enjoyed the silica based compounds in the cold.. no more "warming them up" when it gets below 30.. it's scary in michigan with those older black carbon.. I'm glad they aren't making those anymore..

about the size, i think your speedo might be off a little too.. all the reviews i gave were for a 215/45-17.. get a larger size, not sure how my review would be apply to that other size. plus wider in snow, might spell more of a problem, but that's just my $0.02. and yeah i agree with staying at the local tire shop, they're more likely to help ya out if something happens, since you gave em your money before. I probably wouldn't let em mess with the alignment (seen too many who don't know how to work on a tc, not sure why, its JUST a car.. lol) but the rest does sound good..

Would anyone pick Toyo Proxes 4 over Falken FK452? I really REALLY want Falkens but the price is hard for me to afford right now.

I did and I'm happy with them.

Now i'm second guessing my choice as to going with the 225/45-17 rather than the 215s. I figured that since they made it a optional purchase with the tC (even though they are with different rims), I figured that it wouldn't give me any problem with my tC. But this doesn't sound very good that it'll be throwing off the odometer and speedo.

So throw me your opinions guys, i'm sure that the handling difference between 215 and 225 is VERY minimal and it will hurt me in the snow and throw off the odo and speedo. So the Pro list consists of slightly better handling and rim protection and the Con list consists of worse snow traction and throwing off the speedo and odo. What would you guys do in my shoes? Thanks!

Oh, and of course the 225s are slightly more expensive!

Well the "slightly" better traction in the dry is negligable, as our cars arent very powerful (realistically) so I doubt your going to see any difference from the extra half inch of width.

Me personaly, go with what fits... because that is what is on the car. The 225s that you could get on the tC from the factory were on an 18" wheel, so the tire size was 225/40/18 and thats why it didnt throw off the speedo/odo not to mention they have the tools to recalibrate anyways.

Go here to see what im referring to on the tire sizes/speedo readings

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

Yea, I see what you're saying with that calculator. So it looks like I should probably go with the 215s then.

Anyone else have an opinions on this?

I'll say it again I feel the 225 better than the 215.

You're saying that you dont think its a big deal if the speedo/odo is off by a fraction and would go with the performance (other than snow of course)?

I'm saying that from the OEM tire size to the 225 I feel a better response from the car in dry and wet conditions plus I'm not the only one who has upped the size because of this. just my opinion.

Cool. Any other opinions? So far I have 1 for 215 and 1 for 225. lol

bump, still looking for some opinions as to which to get, 225s or 215s?

well you know mine... my vote is for the 215's :)

if your aware of where your car is (i.e. wheels in relation to curbs) when you drive, and your car isnt rediculously fast, go with the 215s.

They technically should corner slightly better as your going to have a slightly shorter thus stiffer sidewall.

What you notice between the two will be negligable so save the 15 some dollars a tire...

toyo is a good brand when it comes to tires imo. i purchased toyo proxes fz4, a cheaper alternative to the proxes 4. it rides smooth

why don't you try the 500 mile offer Proxes 4 is eligible. call them and find out more East Coast: 1-888-444-8696

i got mine about 3k miles ago and no complains at all, better than yoko s32 imo. but i'm in socal so not much rain and never snow.

i got mine for either 98 or 100 per tire and mount/balance is $40 plus tax. cheapest i can find around me.

I will try em out, but i'm really at the point that i know they'll be great. I'm just trying to find out if people would vote for the 215s or the 225s. I wouldn't know which is better by testing em out. I mean, i dont wanna mess with the odo or speedo, but this may be very insignificant. I dunno, any opinions on this would be great

bump for opinions, I don't want to start a new thread for a poll...i take up enough internet space lol

I started a new thread hoping to get some votes/opinions. Here is a link in case anybody stops by here with some tips:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=145726&highlight=

i was about to go ape ____nit on the comment about the toyo p4 not being an all season.. IT IS.. But i see the person corrected himself...

I have these tires and they are AWESOME!!!! AWESOME IN THE WET...

Hope you get them, you will not be dissapointed...

LAter.

Cool, thanks for the positive review. I'm pretty sure that i'm going to go with em, i'm still just up in the air about the size.

What do you think about the way they handle in the wet weather?

my parents have that tire on there 06 gs300 and they handle like a dream in the rain and dry and they are not loud...GREAT TIRES

awesome, thats exactly what i'm looking for!

Follow-Up: I ended up going with the 225/45-17 on the stock rims. I paid $113 a tire which is the same as the 215s would've cost me.

Holy damn, these things are some GREAT tires, they are sticky and make the handling incredible. What an improvement over stock!

The only question i have, is that someone told me to make sure that the yellow dot lines up with the plug, and I told them to make sure of that, but the guy told me that they have a computer detect where the most dense (i think thats the word he used) part of the tire is. 2 of them are mounted with the yellow dot at the plug, and 2 aren't even close. Is that ok????

yes if the yellow dot is within maybe 2-3 inches of the valve stem, that's fine.. but on the left side of the car you shouldn't see the yellow dot. Since that dot is on the right side of the tire, these are directional tires. When mounting these tires on the the left side wheels, that dot would be on the inside of the wheel/tire assembly. If you see the yellow dot on the left side tires, GO BACK TO THE TIRE SHOP.. since they would be rotating backwards.. lol

the roadforce balancer is what he's talking about (mechanic) and i don't ever listen to that machine.. I tell em to put the yellow dot at the valve stem and just balance the tire. The tire maker already knows where the lightest spot of the tire is (yellow dot).. so i don't need some machine to tell me that again. anyway.. if it's smooth riding.. don't worry about it :)

congrats on the toyo proxes4.. told you they were that good.. lol

Yea, i dont see the dot on the left side...lol that'd be a problem. On the right side, one dot is lines up perfectly and the other is abot 6-7 inches away from the valve. Like you said though, its driving smoothly! Thanks!

cograts on your tires, i love mine... won a buyer for life...

You know it, and according to sciontc_mich, the best is yet to come!!!! YEA BABY!!! haha

yup break em in and then it gets even sweeter :)