View Full Version : ingalls dampener sound when cold?
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 01:07 AM Anybody have a tapping sound come from their engine dampener for a few min when its cold? Its a sound that sounds like the engine cover is hitting into the dampener ...but thats not the case. A few minutes later the sound is gone - and it only happens when its really cold out.
Anybody else getting this? Anybody know anything that could fix this issue?
BYeRhONe 11-09-2006, 01:13 AM mine squeaks when its cold. i guess its when it compresses. no tapping sound unless i let go of the clutch really slow. once the engine is nice and warm squeaks goes away.
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 01:19 AM ^ im wondering if this is normal or if its the first sign before breaking. I just noticed this for the first time a few weeks ago.
captainlaziness 11-09-2006, 01:26 AM I think it's normal. Mine made a tapping kind of noise when I first installed it (December). It's not there during spring and summer. I only hear it when temps drop below 40 ish. The sound goes away after a few minutes of driving. I wouldn't worry about it.
IAmTheProdigy 11-09-2006, 01:28 AM ^ im wondering if this is normal or if its the first sign before breaking. I just noticed this for the first time a few weeks ago.
I've only had mine in for a little over 2 months and now that it's really starting to get cold here in Mass, I notice the same thing. It kind of knocks/squeeks when I start the engine for the first time in the morning and after about 5 minutes of driving it goes away. I don't think it's a sign that it's breaking, I think it might be the dampner re-lubricating itself and loosening up. But it is annoying and a little concerning.
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 01:29 AM yes - thats one thing that I wouldnt know - I installed it and this is the first time the temp is dipping lower sometimes in the morning.
400amonth 11-09-2006, 01:31 AM I had one of these turd dampners on my TC....., but it translates so much resonate noise to the cabin of the vehicle it is not worth unless you are racing/launching the car with money on the line. Seriously...true that LOL.
Scott
11thhour 11-09-2006, 01:33 AM got used to the sound
have both strut bar and etd but used dynamat
helped biiiiiiig time
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 01:42 AM I had one of these turd dampners on my TC....., but it translates so much resonate noise to the cabin of the vehicle it is not worth unless you are racing/launching the car with money on the line. Seriously...true that LOL.
Scott
Ive had mine on for months now and i am used to the sound now. After really slamming the car hard (bad hop), I think the dampener is great....... the way the car should be from the factory.
ziobep 11-09-2006, 01:42 AM same sound here too, its a normal sound, everyone who has one has the same noise when its cold
Baron1C 11-09-2006, 03:07 AM good to know, i was thinking about geting one of those... dynomat huh, where can i get some?
XD40tC 11-09-2006, 04:11 AM Yeah its normal.
Prototype_xB 11-09-2006, 05:56 AM just use some good ol' dynamat:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Prototype_xB/stiffy.jpg
(i've progressed to the point that i have the ENTIRE braket dynamated and i have NO noise what so ever.
IAmTheProdigy 11-09-2006, 10:57 AM Dynamat helps to reduce the vibration and general noise generated by the dampner, but the noises we are referring to have nothing to do with that. I have mine Dynamatted and the rattling doesn't bug me at all; it's the knocking noise that occurs during the first few minutes of driving on a cold day but as I figured, it's to be expected. Plus it goes away after a few minutes of driving.
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 11:19 AM ^exactly
tuffCookie 11-09-2006, 01:16 PM i'm not entirely sure if it's my ingalls damper or motor mount, but i think i'm having the same problem. only on cold mornings, i would hear a knocking type of sound resonating from the passenger side of the engine bay everytime i shifted causing the engine to move. as the engine warms up, the sound goes away.
if it is the damper, good to know i wasn't the only one either. this'll be the first cold season mine's gonna go through.
deathbyc4 11-09-2006, 03:25 PM i used dynamat on mine and I still get the cold morning knocks. I'm used to it but the other morning it knocked when I would shift, sounded like it was loose but was perfectly fine. Possible sign of failing stiffy?
stl_tc_king 11-09-2006, 04:29 PM I had one of these turd dampners on my TC....., but it translates so much resonate noise to the cabin of the vehicle it is not worth unless you are racing/launching the car with money on the line. Seriously...true that LOL.
Scott
:clap: x2
not worth the $. Also, dynamat didn't work to my satisfaction and it looks like crap.
11thhour 11-09-2006, 05:00 PM is there any chance that the stiffy will break if u drive hard?
meaning fast launches and etc...
jjos1 11-09-2006, 07:06 PM Mine sounds like a chained Monkey under the hood when I start the motor cold.
stl_tc_king 11-09-2006, 07:32 PM Mine sounds like a chained Monkey under the hood when I start the motor cold.
:rofl:
dude you just made my day, that is funny as hell.
XD40tC 11-09-2006, 09:58 PM is there any chance that the stiffy will break if u drive hard?
meaning fast launches and etc...
This is what it was made for. Unless youve been tampering with it then no.
jwaggz82 11-09-2006, 10:27 PM is there any chance that the stiffy will break if u drive hard?
meaning fast launches and etc...
This is what it was made for. Unless youve been tampering with it then no.
the ingalls one - i heard of one person breaking it. Other then that - no.
Tcguy85 11-10-2006, 01:28 AM mine makes the same knocking noise on the cold mornings when i start it and when shifting for the first couple minutes driving as well. by the way, mine is brand new, i just put it on less than a week ago and it does it, so i don't think it's a sign of it breaking. it's gotta be normal.
terra_tC 11-10-2006, 03:37 AM sounds like a$$ on cold mornings, especially here in ohio. I took mine off for the winter, might powdercoat the brackets.
Instead of dynomat, i used some heavy 1/4" rubber cut to the shape of the strut bracket, it looked much cleaner imo
BOXMAN 11-10-2006, 09:44 PM Ok ok you guys all know you can contact me with any Ingalls product issues right?
BOXMAN 11-10-2006, 09:45 PM The issue you guys are experiencing is the elastomer inside of the unit shrinking due to the cold temps. When this happens the ETD has play in the elastomer so you get a loud pop or crack. This is normal and will not cause any damage to the unit or the units internals.
tekisui 11-10-2006, 09:47 PM I've had the Ingalls TD on for about 8 months, and it only does that when its REALLY cold outside, and only if you don't let the engine warm up before you start driving. Even then, if it creaks, its like once, and that's it. Its normal. It needs to warm up like anything else.
Also, I wouldn't trade that torque damper for anything. It makes shifting SO much snappier, esp. with a short throw shifter and weighted knob.
BOXMAN 11-10-2006, 09:48 PM Also the "noise" everyone is referring to... you cant ask for a sports car and expect a Cadillac. Its just one of the trade offs for improved performance. If you think a damper translates NVH wait till you try solid mounts/inserts and cant reverse the process without hours of work or money coming out of your pockets for new mounts.
jjos1 11-11-2006, 12:36 PM I've benn driving around for about a week now with mine off the car and all I can say is, I miss it. The shifts feel much more precise with it, and I actualy miss the sound it makes.
sensay 11-14-2006, 06:23 AM when cold and i accelerate at WOT it sounds more aggressive with that damper, i like it and people in and out of the car like it too
toyota_scion_tc 11-15-2006, 01:52 AM Mine sounds the same, I think its just the oil trying to flow through the passages when its cold.
11thhour 11-15-2006, 01:59 AM gotten too used to it now... i dont even remember what it was like w/o it (except cold start-ups)
Q for boxman
i took off the etd from its bracket a couple of times to put in new washers (when installed on the car of course)....
could that possibly brake the etd?
Scigon7 11-15-2006, 02:05 AM where can i purchase one of these?
BOXMAN 11-15-2006, 02:12 AM where can i purchase one of these?
www.dezod.com
www.corsport.com
for a ETD and rear brace for one killer price
BOXMAN 11-15-2006, 02:13 AM Mine sounds the same, I think its just the oil trying to flow through the passages when its cold.
There is no oil or air in the Ingalls ETD
BOXMAN 11-15-2006, 02:16 AM gotten too used to it now... i dont even remember what it was like w/o it (except cold start-ups)
Q for boxman
i took off the etd from its bracket a couple of times to put in new washers (when installed on the car of course)....
could that possibly brake the etd?
The ETD is designed so it can be removed from the brackets and the brackets left in the car. There is no issues with installing and reinstalling the unit. The main thing is watch the length on the unit any time you adjust the ETD make sure the length was adjusted according to the changes made. Look at www.ingallseng.com for more info on how to adjust your stiffy.
Tcguy85 11-15-2006, 03:57 AM anybody have any info on exactly what an "elastomer" shock is? maybe boxman has info. i just have no idea what exactly it means or how it works. you say it has no oil or air.
Scigon7 11-15-2006, 12:15 PM anyone know why it wont let me open www.dezod.com???
jwaggz82 11-15-2006, 12:33 PM anyone know why it wont let me open www.dezod.com???
not sure because I can - clear your webpage cache.
BOXMAN 11-15-2006, 02:53 PM anybody have any info on exactly what an "elastomer" shock is? maybe boxman has info. i just have no idea what exactly it means or how it works. you say it has no oil or air.
Elastomer is a description for the material used inside of the Ingalls ETD its very similar to what motor mount inserts are made of. The elastomer has a hardness rating of 90 on the duramoter (sp) scale
Motorsport_TC 11-15-2006, 02:59 PM do you get a sound from the damper when your decelerating as well?? Not sure but when i'm off the gas I get this weird humming sound from my motor. never realized it till I really listened to my car . whe I Rev the engine in neutral it's fine only under load I get this humming sound... not sure if it's the damper
BOXMAN 11-15-2006, 03:26 PM ^^^ Check your length and adjustment settings. If everything looks fine it could be gear wine or road noise being transfered^^^
m6ar2cel6oTC 11-21-2006, 03:34 PM how should the adjustment be exactly?
BOXMAN 11-21-2006, 04:12 PM ^^^check www.ingallseng.com^^^ for instructions on adjustment. If thats not what you were asking PM me or post in this forum and Ill get back to you asap
BOXMAN 11-28-2006, 05:40 PM Any other questions?
BOXMAN 12-04-2006, 03:23 PM TTT!
BOXMAN 12-11-2006, 04:35 PM TTT for questions or if you need a site for best price PM me.
Also PM me if you have any other Ingalls questions
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