View Full Version : So how come nobody is doing engine swaps? 3s-gte?


phishie
12-07-2003, 10:11 AM
or maybe even the celica gt-s motor. These motors seem like feesible swaps, it might get expensive with the custom mounts and wireharnessing but well worth it in my opinion. Whats the deal?

scionspecialistvegas
12-07-2003, 12:44 PM
knock yourself out and keep us informed how it comes out.

Red_Genie_xB
12-07-2003, 07:30 PM
Yeah, someone should try a Celica motor... but I guess due to the car is still very new, no one would do a swap. I don't think the 3SGTE is gonna work... xB is FWD and not RWD or Mid Engine

Longoscion
12-07-2003, 07:30 PM
hmmm,

Ask camoscion :) He's got a surprise lurking man.


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phishie
12-08-2003, 07:05 AM
Yeah, someone should try a Celica motor... but I guess due to the car is still very new, no one would do a swap. I don't think the 3SGTE is gonna work... xB is FWD and not RWD or Mid Engine

the 3sgte came in fwd and awd version too in the older celicas.

hahajoey
12-08-2003, 07:41 AM
i wanna smack a ae111 supercharged engine in.
that puppy puts out 165? or 170 or something..
with a topmount intercooler i believe.
crazy mother.. with a lil port/polish..
intake, header, exhaust..
maybe push out 180-185 hp to the flywheel..
NO BAD AT ALL =)
but this car aint new. caem out in japan in 1996..
im sure someone has done some motor work..
but this car was never meant to be raced! it was like a chill
car! people HAVE supped it up for the track and done
great but as for as a celica motor? those things costs a arm, a leg,
your nuts, someone else's nuts.. and more.
its not worth the cost.
we need a motor solution like honda's.. they have a handful to choose
from that all are the same series(B series).. they all share
header, intake manifold, tranny and other stuff.. like all interchangeable
to suit u. u can go from a 1.6 to a 2.0.. with or without
variable timing. its crazy. antyhing frmo a 135hp~190hp.
i dont think theres a easy to drop in motor..
is there?

bBted
12-08-2003, 07:43 AM
or maybe even the celica gt-s motor. These motors seem like feesible swaps, it might get expensive with the custom mounts and wireharnessing but well worth it in my opinion. Whats the deal?

why dont u swap it and let us know how it goes :lol:

phishie
12-08-2003, 03:26 PM
well, you can pick up the 3s-gte for about 2000, but for all the custom fabrication that would be required, i don't know if it'd be worth it. But that motor is one hell of a motor, i've seen 400+ hp on stock internals!

TheRedBox
12-08-2003, 04:29 PM
hmmm,

Ask camoscion :) He's got a surprise lurking man.


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:?:

Mr_scion
12-08-2003, 10:04 PM
knock yourself out and keep us informed how it comes out.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

SGVside
12-09-2003, 02:13 AM
The 3sgte will cost a lot of money to drop in. The celica gts 1.8 has already been done. I have heard of 2 stories already. One is in progress, which i heard about 4 months ago. The other story, i heard someone running high 13's. Not sure whats in the car besides the 1.8

The question is... are you willing to chop up a brand new car and junk a new motor for an older motor? I think later on people will do it. The car is still new and fresh.

phishie
12-09-2003, 03:36 AM
got any links with info on the celica swap?

hahajoey
12-09-2003, 07:11 AM
wow i wanna see pix and more specs! celica gt-s motor.. CRAZY!

DjFrOsT
12-10-2003, 04:10 AM
can anyone give a ball park amount of an engine swap? would it have to be brought in from japan? or do we have the engines here in the states? what else need to be swapped? the tranny? someone ball park it for me...also...how long would the swap actually take? days? weeks? months? (i hope not)...and do you actually think the swap would work? i mean would the car still be a daily drive? any takers?

showpaojoe
12-10-2003, 04:16 AM
I actually own the gt-s engine and a shop said they'd do it for $1500-$2000 in about 3-5 weeks

greenbox
12-10-2003, 04:24 AM
i rember i posted like a month or 2 ago tht my boy wrecked his supra he kept engin ece trans and drive line. He just got a total loss xb at my work and i just got all the parts orderd for him. the xb is at his shop. I just got a call from him and he has the whole suspension trans and engine almost out. he told me he is having a new frame made to fit the 2jzgte in it. Sorry Nel. i hope you dont read this post im just getting chills thinking of what you are doing. MUST BE NICE YOU HAVE FRIENDS AT BOEING TO HELP YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

wannascion
12-10-2003, 05:01 AM
How about building the stock engine up? I am sure that this has been done in Japan but how about here? didn't someone on here say they were only $300? why not build a hot second motor for your car and then swap it in when it's finished? I doubt these cars were ever built to handle 400 horsepower and you could do some interesting cam grinds with the vvti.

vpkb
12-11-2003, 02:48 AM
i swapped my MR2


cost me arount $4500

oh, Cartune did it

Wraith
12-14-2003, 05:56 AM
sorry but the 3s-gte wouldnt fit because of the difference in size... The 3e-fte starlet or a 5e-fe block with a 3e-fte head and electronics would be a better choice...

ShadowMage
12-14-2003, 08:45 AM
hmmm...you think one of these could be swapped into an xB? :lol: :P

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ccsshb/12cyl/

showpaojoe
12-14-2003, 07:46 PM
Anythings possible with money

SGVside
12-16-2003, 12:30 AM
Anything is possible with $$$.

showpaojoe
12-16-2003, 01:38 AM
Must've took you forever to come up with that line

phishie
12-16-2003, 07:29 AM
hhahahahaha

autobotxxtonyxx
12-16-2003, 08:17 AM
why dont you do a JDM 4wd conversion!

kagero79
12-17-2003, 09:42 AM
Converting xB to AWD is a real pain. First you'll have to cut out your rear section and dump your whole rear suspension system which is probably not worth the effort since xB already comes with decent "Traction Control", and in Japan, AWD model pushes bit of less HP then FWD model. Not to mention you have to change your exhaust system, since AWD model alters the piping and your muffler will be exiting on opposite side. Oh, you'll also lose luggage space too to accomodate differential you'll be installing which will need a extra room. I'm sure this will not stop hardcore modifiers from doing so.

phishie
12-17-2003, 08:11 PM
i want to go faster. AWD isn't a big deal to me. I've had it in my audi. NOt too spectacular for straight line speed.

Wraith
12-17-2003, 09:06 PM
i want to go faster. AWD isn't a big deal to me. I've had it in my audi. NOt too spectacular for straight line speed.

like I said if you guys want to go faster then either swap in a Starlet motor ( 3e-fte 1.3liter ) and swap out the bottom end with the paseo block ( 5e-fe 1.5liter) ... Then add a GT30 turbo you'll be in the 300+ whp ... There's a Vitz in Japan with 380fwhp with this setup and it pulls 10's all day long... I would personnaly just bolt on the S/C from blitz or swap in the Vitz RS-turbo motor 1NZ-FTE (150hp 145ft lbs). And still have the drivability ...

showpaojoe
12-17-2003, 09:13 PM
Honda's aren't the only one's with Frankenstien motors anymore. Damn wraith, I saw your ride a long time ago but where are you from?

Wraith
12-17-2003, 09:44 PM
Honda's aren't the only one's with Frankenstien motors anymore. Damn wraith, I saw your ride a long time ago but where are you from?
This is very true.... Toyotas have been doing hybrids since the early to mid 70's...
I live everywhere but LA will always be my home... Right now I in the vincity of Puente Hills, Walnut, Rowland Heights area...

showpaojoe
12-17-2003, 09:52 PM
Ahh sooky sooky, thaz near me. The starlet engine, is it the 4efte not 3efte? I can't find any info on the 3efte. Where did you get your work done? I'm interested in what you speak of seeing how you've already done something so close

Wraith
12-17-2003, 09:57 PM
Ahh sooky sooky, thaz near me. The starlet engine, is it the 4efte not 3efte? I can't find any info on the 3efte. Where did you get your work done? I'm interested in what you speak of seeing how you've already done something so close

the 3e-fte is the older block than the 4e-fte... You might want to speak to Eric Lapka at www.ELPrototypes.com He swaps this motors into Tercels for like $2500.00 bucks ( I think ... but dont quote me on it )

its_ikon
12-17-2003, 10:04 PM
people also swap the starlet motor for the 4agze high comp. i seens in car videos from a starlet that did that swap and it pulls on ferraris on the race track. there were tons of other mods on it, but it was fast.

Wraith
12-17-2003, 10:07 PM
people also swap the starlet motor for the 4agze high comp. i seens in car videos from a starlet that did that swap and it pulls on ferraris on the race track. there were tons of other mods on it, but it was fast.

yes your talking about the earlier Starlet ... 1982 to 1984 rwd models... The 3E-FTE and 4E-FTE came in the Japanese Domestic Market Starlets 1989 to 1996 FWD ( I think , not quite sure)...