I had a mtx 8100d and a punch p3 and the speaker ripped after a couple of weeks. once this happened i decide to downgrade to get rid of alot of that excess wieght plus i wasnt using all the power. now i have a punch mono amp (not sure exact model num) its pushing 250 or 300 rms which is really all i need. i got the punch p2 because it was rated at 250 rms. i thought wow what a perfect match, and what do you kno the darn thing ripped on me!!! whats a good durable sub? as much as people love rockford subs i am not to sure bout there durability.

anything from elemental designs will beat the sh#t outta those RF's. plus everything has a 3 year warranty. all of their subs are designed as SQ subs that produce top notch SPL. probably the best SQ subs out today value-wise. you're gonna be lookin at stuff that costs north of 500 bucks to find sq subs that are better than eD's. here's their full line up on this page... http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=1_21

give us a few more specifics about what you're lookin for and we'll be able to help you out...like size of sub, box size, what you're looking for sound wise..etc.

people love rockford?

jl audio

if you wanted to get an RF sub should have gone with this

http://www.ronis.hr/katalog/ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-TRF2215_slika.jpg

wink wink :lalala:

im not tryin to blow my hatch open, i just want somethin that sounds good and can take the pressure.

well with 200-300 watts nothing is gonna blow anything. i do suggest going with one of these.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=30

great sound quality, great price and a good looking sub.

i understand thats not alot of power but i dont want to under-power it either. it doesnt have to be rockford i just got the p2 cause it was a crazy deal. but the one pictured above has to be powerful look at the magnet. which made me say im not tryin to blow my hatch open.

I dont know why some people love ED personally you want REALLY good sound quality go with JL, Image Dynamics, or Diamond Audio... From my 3 years in 2 different car audio shops those are my top 3 for SQ for a good mix of SQ and SPL at a good price look kicker L7, in a sealed box or Adire Audio Brahma but idk if they are around anymore

i dunno have you ever used their stuff woody?

i used to be a big JL guy until i listened to their stuff and personally its the same quality if not better for a 1/3 of the cost. I'll probably never do anything else because i just can't justify spending that much for a name.

I think these subs are pretty good.........

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-D0obJRQG4sH/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=500SWE1041

Which I happen to have for sale........$80.00 for both if ya want them.......and as for what you were saying about the rockfords....I had 3 rockfords in the past blow up on me and swore to never use them again.....but I must say.......I have the rockford P1's now and they do really sound great and have had no problems....yet.....

jl audio w7 is the way to go

I have an Audiobahn Flame Q sub that knocks pretty hard.

uh dude we still need to know how big your box is and what size sub it fits....

Go with Image Dynamics. Their subs are super effecient so you don't need much power. 300 Watts should be perfect with an Image Dynamics IDQ12 or IDQ15. They are known for great sound quality and get plenty loud with that little power. Just stay away from Audiobahn, they have a poor reputation for a reason.

TREO ..... i just replaced my Alpine Type-r with one of their SSI 10" woofers. it totally blows the alpine away. the thing has great excursion off of only 300 watts rms. i can't wait to put 750 to it like they recommend.

http://www.treoonline.com/

I think these subs are pretty good.........

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-D0obJRQG4sH/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=500SWE1041

Which I happen to have for sale........$80.00 for both if ya want them.......and as for what you were saying about the rockfords....I had 3 rockfords in the past blow up on me and swore to never use them again.....but I must say.......I have the rockford P1's now and they do really sound great and have had no problems....yet.....

Now that is a shameless plug, the E's are decent at best nowhere near competitive for "Good" SQ or SPL

nebster - I have heard an ED set up in 2 different cars and was not impressed with either of their capabilities compared to a JL or ID now I do understand that both set ups could have used more tuning and it was set to a personal preference but I have yet to see someone show me the rage bout them. I will openly admit I was wrong if thats the case and I do hope it is bc from what I have seen its promising stuff and the price tag is unbeatable.... i just have no good backing for them

im not tryin to be mean....but if you ever get the chance...you should order somethin and try it out to your own specs....if you still dont like how it sounds then bash all you want man, you got the right.

and i do agree, that was a shameless plug, those things suck.

I think these subs are pretty good.........

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-D0obJRQG4sH/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=500SWE1041

Which I happen to have for sale........$80.00 for both if ya want them.......and as for what you were saying about the rockfords....I had 3 rockfords in the past blow up on me and swore to never use them again.....but I must say.......I have the rockford P1's now and they do really sound great and have had no problems....yet.....

Now that is a shameless plug, the E's are decent at best nowhere near competitive for "Good" SQ or SPL

nebster - I have heard an ED set up in 2 different cars and was not impressed with either of their capabilities compared to a JL or ID now I do understand that both set ups could have used more tuning and it was set to a personal preference but I have yet to see someone show me the rage bout them. I will openly admit I was wrong if thats the case and I do hope it is bc from what I have seen its promising stuff and the price tag is unbeatable.... i just have no good backing for them

Yes...it is a shameless plug.......but they were a good sub....just needed something to match up better with the amp I had.

W7!

im not tryin to be mean....but if you ever get the chance...you should order somethin and try it out to your own specs....if you still dont like how it sounds then bash all you want man, you got the right.

and i do agree, that was a shameless plug, those things suck.

And no.....they don't suck......there a decent good sounding sub for the price.

a good sub is one that is made with high quality materials, components, features and manufacturing, for a reasonable price. you don't need to spend $500+ on a sub (aka. JL) to get a good sub.

RF, audiobahn, alpine, eclipse, kicker, and most of the major brand name subs will be fine.

im not tryin to be mean....but if you ever get the chance...you should order somethin and try it out to your own specs....if you still dont like how it sounds then bash all you want man, you got the right.

and i do agree, that was a shameless plug, those things suck.

And no.....they don't suck......there a decent good sounding sub for the price.

no dude, it doesnt matter what price you pay for them, they suck. put it up for sale in classifieds if you want, rave about it there, but keep it outta this thread. notice the title "whats a GOOD sub?" id say your lil type-e's dont belong here. find a new home.

a good sub is one that is made with high quality materials, components, features and manufacturing, for a reasonable price. you don't need to spend $500+ on a sub (aka. JL) to get a good sub.

RF, audiobahn, alpine, eclipse, kicker, and most of the major brand name subs will be fine.

congrats, a plug for eD!

i've found that midwestern guys seem to be real big on ED (and SL guys of course :) but other than those 2 demographics, i really don't see them enough to put them in the same category as more established, reputable, proven brands.

then they obviously have never listened to a well tuned eD system. If i see you guys at any shows come to my car and then you can hear what eD sounds like. or go to any car that has a well tuned system and a well built box and then you can bash.

And don't bash eD like you said i can't bash any other company. And i haven't. JL and others are great speaker companies but for the money i'll stick with eD. I'm sorry but i can't justify spending the amount of money on one sub that i spent on my whole system. And my system is probably louder than a w7 and sounds much better i'm sure.

then they obviously have never listened to a well tuned eD system. If i see you guys at any shows come to my car and then you can hear what eD sounds like. or go to any car that has a well tuned system and a well built box and then you can bash.

And don't bash eD like you said i can't bash any other company. And i haven't. JL and others are great speaker companies but for the money i'll stick with eD. I'm sorry but i can't justify spending the amount of money on one sub that i spent on my whole system. And my system is probably louder than a w7 and sounds much better i'm sure.

haha, actually you're right. i've NEVER heard or SEEN an ED system at ANY show i've EVER been to in philly or surrounding areas. the only reason i've even heard of them is because of SL. So my opinion that its not a bad brand is based merely on the feedback i've heard from SL members who have them. I would just think that if it was such great equipment, that someone around southeastern pa would have them.

i hope you weren't referring to me. WHO did i bash????? :no:

in the end, most audio products (Save for hi end stuff) is just a matter of personal preference/bias. I've always been a fan of audiobahn for the same reason you like ED, good quality for good price.

As far as any real differences between brand name quality audio components in comparable price ranges, there really is not much. The manufacturers make it this way. Because once someone designs a higher quality product, it skyrockets in price and puts it in a different category than the more basic product models.

Ie. If you had two identically matched/tuned tcs, one with a full ED system, and one with a full audiobahn system....YOU would say the ED system sounds better. I would say the audiobahn sounds better. As for everyone else, it would probably be split 50/50 between the two. Unless you a a true audiophile/freak there isn't much difference between the sound quality of comparable costs of reputable brands.

i'm glad you like your ED. I just HATE how everyone on SL acts like ED is the BE ALL AND END ALL OF CAR AUDIO. cuz it is surely not. its a nice brand, just like alpine, audiobahn, pioneer, eclipse, infinity, etc... Not some SuperBrand that has still managed to fly below the radar while producing the best audio products on the market. No. sorry.

i agree its not the best by far. But i would say its the best bang for your buck. Not many people including me being a college kid have 8 grand to spend on a system. Under a budget i will suggest eD every day. Great guys, great products and great support. Now if you had more money than god i would say go with JL or cdt or dls. But not many people have 1500 on a set of components. If you want good sound for a good price go eD if you want the BEST SOUND IN THE WORLD go dls or cdt. But like i stated before not everyone can afford 1500 for a set of comps.

I never said you were bashing i'm saying there is a lot of hostility in this thread.

The reason the guys in the midwest like them is becase we can go see them, we see them at shows and we know them personally. Thus that is why we like them. /rant.

quit ya bickering read here:
http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/forumdisplay.php?f=54

Independent testing, you read up and judge.

So... completely looking over everybody's elitist crap, have you, the original poster, wondered as to why you're tearing subs? How are you setting the gain?

i actually just installed two 12" mtx thunder 4500 and it beats really nice...hooked it up to a aftermarket pioneer HU and it works just fine for me..i got mine from crutchfield, Buy one Get 1 $100 cant complain

im not tryin to be mean....but if you ever get the chance...you should order somethin and try it out to your own specs....if you still dont like how it sounds then bash all you want man, you got the right.

and i do agree, that was a shameless plug, those things suck.

I havent bashed anything and I just said I dont personally see why people are all about them... Lets not turn this into a ____ing contest and just _____ about eveything and I am a college student as well so I dont have 8k to dump either, but i would rather dump 8k piece by piece than buy something that is half as good as what i want

everyone wants to be able to say their systems is the best. in reality, does it really matter. all that matters is you have a nice sounding system. as long as you don't get a crappy brand like pyle, visonik, etc... you'll be fine.

MTX subs/amps are nice too. Very underrated. rite on par with audiobahn and alpine.

well audiobahn sucks ___, MTX unless its the 9500 series then its good, Alpine cant say much since i only have experience with the type r models and they did suck also.

haha. ED sucks butt too then. and mtx and alpine. and just maybe YOU do as well.

I hate Audiobahn and I really like the alpine amps and head units, and my type R used to BUMP with my Memphis Amp hooked to it... My personal favorite sub would be JL 10w6's, thats why i have two lol... I am looking for a new sub amp tho and showing that I am open to new companies and brands I am researching the ED Nine.2x or something like that but i will be comparing it to all the other amps i am considering and we will c what happens, if i dont like it i will just have to take the hit and resell it

http://www.caraudiocentral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139

ED Nine.2x
Efficiency - 67%
Subsonic Filter - NA
Signal to Noise Ratio - 95db
300x2 600x1
Guesstimation Power?

$265

Kicker SX600.2
Efficiency - 89%
Subsonic - 5 ranges from 6-36 DB
SN Ratio - 100db
300x2
600x1
CEA-2006 COMPLIANT
$322

http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_product_details.jsp?cid=5055&c=0701PriceGrabber&b=Kicker_04+SX600.2

which one would you choose? My choice is crystal clear, even for the $60 the Kicker is MUCH better than the ED

but we get it for 225 bc we have a forum discount. so no i don't justify spending an extra 100 bucks for maybe a slightly better amp.

haha lol...once again personal preference...but uh...lets get some things straight....the price of a nine.2x is $225...unless you dont know how to shop (READ: forum discounts for all SL members and anyone who has the intelligence to type in "forum" in the search page on eD's site)....secondly...all of eD's ratings are at 12.5v, not 14.4 like kicker. when BENCHTESTED at 14.4v...just like the kicker's tested....eD's puts out around 340-350x2.

its personal preference. i prefer eD...DEAL WITH IT.

lastly...did i forget to mention no warranty on that kicker from hookedontronics?

THREE year warranty on eD's... :lalala:

so if you wanna compare, then compare them on equal terms.

lowest price for an authorized dealer's sx600.2 appears to be cardomain's at $470. that earns you a 2 year warranty and a guarantee that its a brand new product, not a refurb.

so....a worse warranty and a $245 price difference? still wanna buy that kicker? feel free..thats your money...and thats why ive got a 9.2x in my car and not that kicker.

btw...what are the dimensions on that kicker? my nine.2x is nice and small...just a convenience thing i guess.

sry neb...didnt see you had already posted...but point established...uh mods? i think this thread's ruined...

oh and you forgot 100% tech support for life. eD is the ONLY COMPANY that does that bc they don't want you blowing up their stuff.

NO CONTEST imho.

How can you tell the ED sub size?

11ov.2 = 10"
13ov.2 = 12"
16ov.2 = 15"
19ov.2 = 18"

haha lol...once again personal preference...but uh...lets get some things straight....the price of a nine.2x is $225...unless you dont know how to shop (READ: forum discounts for all SL members and anyone who has the intelligence to type in "forum" in the search page on eD's site)....secondly...all of eD's ratings are at 12.5v, not 14.4 like kicker. when BENCHTESTED at 14.4v...just like the kicker's tested....eD's puts out around 340-350x2.

its personal preference. i prefer eD...DEAL WITH IT.

lastly...did i forget to mention no warranty on that kicker from hookedontronics?

THREE year warranty on eD's... :lalala:

so if you wanna compare, then compare them on equal terms.

lowest price for an authorized dealer's sx600.2 appears to be cardomain's at $470. that earns you a 2 year warranty and a guarantee that its a brand new product, not a refurb.

so....a worse warranty and a $245 price difference? still wanna buy that kicker? feel free..thats your money...and thats why ive got a 9.2x in my car and not that kicker.

btw...what are the dimensions on that kicker? my nine.2x is nice and small...just a convenience thing i guess.

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I am just beginning to delve into the world of car audio and ED is all I will be running in my car.

One thing that was mentioned above that I only found out recently was the voltages that the amps are tested at. Like tC_skier said, ED benchmarks their stuff at real world levels so you know pretty close to what you will be running.

Also, can you call up Kicker and have them walk you through setting the gains, how to wire your system, and any number of other questions? I bet you would get hung up on in a fast hurry. When deciding on my system, I don't know how many PM's were exchanged between me and Chris (Mandos) as well as numerious chats on AIM. What is Kicker's username on AIM by the way?

While they MAY lack slightly in performance, they more than make it up in price, customer service, tech support, availability, and any number of other areas.

The people are great and they are there to be the best product in the industry, not steal the most money from consumers.

Besides, what have you ever heard bad about ED that wasn't resolved immediately? I have heard NOTHING but good about this company. Kicker....eh. There is plenty of bad out there about them.

same goes for the kv line...and obviously the 9kv.2 is 8".....others are sq10..10"... ehqs comes in 12" and 8"