This is in response to the thread that was posted up a couple of weeks ago about our cars being good for handling. Here is what i have to say about that:

Koni Shocks: $560.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1161.jpg

Tein S-Tech Springs: $120.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1162.jpg

Agency Power SS Brake Lines: $120.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1164.jpg

EBC Green Stuff Brake Pads: $75.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1165.jpg

DC Sports Front Strut Bar: $75.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1166.jpg

]Progress Rear Sway Bar: $125.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1167.jpg

GT Spec Front Chassis Brace: $145.00

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1168.jpg

TRD Rear Frame Brace: $135.00

Getting out of the turn quicker than a Subaru STi: Priceless!!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1169.jpg

Getting over powered on the track out: Frustration!!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/DSC_1170.jpg

Just to clear up a few points the subaru was running only 12 lbs. of boost and did have street tires. While I on the other hand had a set of very sticky Toyo RA-1. Right after this turn the Subaru did get blue flagged and the next time through this turn I was in front. Any questions or comments please post, i want to know what you think.

What size RA-1s are you running? Looks like 205/50-15. Would 225/50-15s fit without rubbing?

interesting. do you have any power mods at all or were you running on purely the stock engine ?

Have shocked some people out here with Scions. Good turn in though.

where did you get your rear frame brace at? j/w for the other ppl

Im running Toyo RA-1 205/50/15 for racing and they grip real nice, but when i up the power im going to run with the same size except they will be 16's. Later on i might consider a shorter and wider tire, thats after i go turbo.

As for power mods:
1.) Injen CAI
2.) Cheapy eBay header
3.) 2.25" exhaust (with highflow cat and resonator)
4.) InVidia axle-back
5.) Iridium Spark Plugs
6.) Celica GT injectors

Thats it, for now...

Nice!

That was very fun!

Fun at the track!

where did you get your rear frame brace at? j/w for the other ppl

I got the frame brace from Wraith here on scionlife. Im not sure if he has anymore left over, but give him a PM and check.

howd you get out of the turn quicker if you were never in front of him?


you want to handle throw that garbage spring and shock combo out the door .


get ksport coilovers , all the frame bracing you can get and then get r compound tires. then a bone stock motor xa would kill the sti.

R-tires do WONDERS.

but both lines are suspect...

It's fun being the under-powered / underdog tho...

I LIVE FOR IT!

I was never in front of him because thats NOT a passing area. There are strict rules when in comes down to SOLO 1 driving, if i pushed my car enough i could've passed him, but then i would have been black flagged, for passing on a turn, so i had to lift off the throttle. About the coilovers, forget that, this car is a daily driver and i daily drive my car in PR, which is FULL of uneven roads and potholes, which are never welcome when running coilovers, besides the coilover system i want costs around $1,800, which id rather use in turbo charging. But yes its true coilovers would work MUCH better without a doubt in my mind.

With my "garbage" spring and shock setup Ive done times quicker, than GTI's, Celica's, Corolla's and E30 BMW's. So i think my "garbage" setup is doing fine.

Yes R-Tires do HUGE MIRACLES, forget wonders... Your right being the underdog is always fun. Especially, when you arrive at the track and everyone laughs at your xA, up until the point when im riding your A$$ on the turns, people usually never can beleive that an xA can do so well.

FUN FUN FUN!!! I will be bringing more pictures after the race on the 3rd!

yeah your spings and shocks may be ok. i've managed to beat z06 times and an older m3's times at the event i did.

This is in response to the thread that was posted up a couple of weeks ago about our cars being good for handling. Here is what i have to say about that:

Koni Shocks: $560.00

Tein S-Tech Springs: $120.00

Agency Power SS Brake Lines: $120.00

EBC Green Stuff Brake Pads: $75.00

DC Sports Front Strut Bar: $75.00

]Progress Rear Sway Bar: $125.00

GT Spec Front Chassis Brace: $145.00

TRD Rear Frame Brace: $135.00

Getting out of the turn quicker than a Subaru STi: Priceless!!

Getting over powered on the track out: Frustration!!

Just to clear up a few points the subaru was running only 12 lbs. of boost and did have street tires. While I on the other hand had a set of very sticky Toyo RA-1. Right after this turn the Subaru did get blue flagged and the next time through this turn I was in front. Any questions or comments please post, i want to know what you think.
Donde hiciste la compra??????
pq a penas aqui por internet esos son los precios; o eso es sin s/h
y nos vemos el 3.

all that stuff was purchased on eBay, scionlife and tuner websites, every now and then i get lucky on eBay finding really cheap parts, but other times its from people here on scionlife that are getting rid of their old parts. When i cant find here it on eBay i find it on random tuner websites.

sweet man, ou have a setup similar to what I am going for, i only have a couple suspension items right now, but i have beaten s2k's and a C5, so i know what your are talking about, keep on keeing on, and love the way the pics are set up, hilarious

why the celica injectors on a now only n/a motor?

being outpowered is a bastard when you are a better driver than the guy who pulls on you in the straights. i go to the track too. most people who can not get far enough away in the straights or can not shake me in the turns let me pass, but there is always that one guy who refuses to let anyone pass despite his obvious inability to drive. i guess that that is part of the ineptitude :/

i had to intimidate some guy in a delorean to let me pass. some other guy in a miata never took the hint from anybody, even the vettes.

how do you like the brake pads, brake lines, and braces?

performance springs go a long way. nobody can bad mouth them. i recently bought coilovers to get a little bit more, but if i did not have the extra cash, then the springs would have stayed without a complaint.

have fun.

The brakes on this car are by far the best ive had on any. All you need is SS lines, good pads and brakes fluid and it stops on on a dime. Just make sure they are nicely bled and you will out break many other cars. Since our cars dont go so fast, we can brake later than others and they are excellent so you can go even deeper, if you have the guts. But yeah, this car has surprised even the owner.

Love the set up!!! Great pics!

Well, considering you both entered the hairpin wrong and I don't know what speed you were actually going I would have to say I am not too impressed. On the other hand I have found that my xB handles very well all things considered, but certainly not on the same level as a WRX. So I suppose it is possible the xA handles well, but you will never take that WRX. Just my .02

^^
thread crapping is the best!!!1

jsosa was not saying how he is the pwningest driver or anything, but how the car handles well and that he was doing better than someone in an sti.
it does not matter how good the car is if the driver sucks. either that sti driver sucked hairy nuts or the suspension was crappy.
i have performed better than people in far superior cars because their abilities were sub par.

as for the line, it does look a little off to me, but i can't get the whole story from those pictures. even so, i would still need to drive it.

jsosa, have you noticed any heat fade?
i have been surprised by the stock brakes so far. they have held up pretty well braking from 100 mph down to 20, but that was the only point of really hard braking in a 2-3 mile course.

Your absolutely right, i will never take that WRX, hes just too fast, but as for Solo 1 driving, the next time around i was ahead because he got blue flagged and was forced to let me by. The whole point of this thread was too show people that out scions can handle and that if you want to build a track racer it will be very much worth your time.

If i wanted classes on how to drive i would ask my driving instructor, but for now i guess your opinions are worthless... Thread crapping is fun, so if you want to keep it up lets do it! If anyone has any other worthy question, let me know i have no problem helping other out.

As for the heat fade on the brakes it is virtually unnoticeable because the longest straight gets me too 85MPH and then down to 25, but the rest of the track is very quick because i barely have to use my brakes. The brakes for now are fine but ill be upgrading to these new 6 piston brakes that fit inside 16" rims. Very expensive, but i think they will do the job without having a 14" rotor in front with a tiny drum in the rear, i don't want that kind of unbalanced look.

I have to admit that my driving leaves a lot to desired as well......Because my driving was so weak, I bought a couple of the "Speed Secrets" series of books. Wow, are these books detailed and enlightening. Great for the novice and pro.

Your absolutely right, i will never take that WRX, hes just too fast, but as for Solo 1 driving, the next time around i was ahead because he got blue flagged and was forced to let me by. The whole point of this thread was too show people that out scions can handle and that if you want to build a track racer it will be very much worth your time.

If i wanted classes on how to drive i would ask my driving instructor, but for now i guess your opinions are worthless... Thread crapping is fun, so if you want to keep it up lets do it! If anyone has any other worthy question, let me know i have no problem helping other out.

As for the heat fade on the brakes it is virtually unnoticeable because the longest straight gets me too 85MPH and then down to 25, but the rest of the track is very quick because i barely have to use my brakes. The brakes for now are fine but ill be upgrading to these new 6 piston brakes that fit inside 16" rims. Very expensive, but i think they will do the job without having a 14" rotor in front with a tiny drum in the rear, i don't want that kind of unbalanced look.

Wow, ok, I guess you can take it like that. I wasnt trying to bash you necessarily, but rather to point out your post was conditional. If the point you were trying to make is that he was blue flagged thus showing you were "faster" then you should have just said that. However, when you start posting pics of poor corner or hairpin execution, that is entirely different. You mentioned classes to learn how to drive......have you taken any? If not, then YOUR findings here are worthless. How can you intelligently rate the performance of a vehicle if you dont know what you are talking about?

Ok, so you were faster, so what? Does that mean your xA was better then the WRX? Maybe, but it could also mean the other guy was less experianced than you. So at the end of the day what exactly have you proven?

Oh wait a minute, your point was that scions can handle.......wow I am enlightened. Fact of the matter is if you put the right combination of accessories together a KIA can "handle" well.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ^^^ Look he got personal and offended, incredible how such a simple post about my day at the track turns into a bashing, i love this $H!T. But anyways man dont loose sleep about this, you just wanted to hate on someone so you did, congratulations, now if we can get back on point.

MY CAR HANDLES!! and thats the end of it.

What ever negativity you want to throw my way makes no difference to this thread, so at the end of the day everything stays the same...

Now for everyone else that wants to get motivated in upgrading their scion to a track racer can do it, thats all i wanted to point out. SCIONS CAN HANDLE!!

I have to admit that my driving leaves a lot to desired as well......Because my driving was so weak, I bought a couple of the "Speed Secrets" series of books. Wow, are these books detailed and enlightening. Great for the novice and pro.

All you need are a few lessons, I've taken exactly one driving school in my life, but that one class really teaches you alot about braking points, turn in points, apex and track out. Essential in circuit racing. Down here in Puerto Rico the BMW Car Club of America gives driving schools and thats who's training me, their pricey but very worth it. Do it, its fun!!

Down here in Puerto Rico

My bad, I missed that.......it all makes sense now :roll:
Oh and just so we are clear, your post didn't offend me as a person but as a driver. those expensive lessons you talked about are going to be a lot cheaper than the repair bill when you put your "racer" into the wall so i would suggest you take a few more.

good luck buddy

Thanks my friend its been a pleasure to have shared this beautiful moment with you... By the way I was born and raised in Miami, so i'm not that different from you... But being unique is what sets me apart, besides wheres your racing history??

1996-2003 SCCA - Spec Racer Ford
2003-2005 SCCA - Formula SCCA (Van Diemen)
2005-2007 SCCA - Grand-AM Mazda RX-8

To drive well takes years of experiance and I can say without reservation that I am far from perfect, far far from it. However, I do seem to have a bit more experiance than you thus you can see how it is insulting to hear you to say things like.....all you need are a few lessons......and "my car handles"

I think it is great for people to want to race. It is fun as hell but the basics have to be there before you can start making credible statements.

true that, true that. I now know that your a person that talks when they now what they're talking about, not like others out there that talk without knowing. I respect your skills and i wish i could have that kind of experience, but I'm not in it for the profession I'm in it to have ALOT of fun. So if you wanna be technical about it, go ahead. But all you really need to have fun during track days are a few lessons, that way you dont crash your "racer" in the wall, with a car that "handles". So my message does come from credible statements.

Its just recently that i moved up to cars, my passion started off on the karting track and eventually grew into what it is today. Im sorry if i insulted you in any way, but racing is racing no matter how good you are at it.

all bashing and offenses aside, this thread reminds of the technical differences amongst drivers.

most people go for cars with power or like to pretend that their cars have power, so drivers tend to drive like their cars have power regardkess of whether it does. last summer at the track, i had a bunch of different teachers. most of them said to follow a traditional line in the chicane, but one teacher, who drives a cooper s, told me to drive a far different line. the two other teachers were all "WTF, mate" when i told them about it. my class room teacher quickly dismissed it saying that there was no way that line could be any good because you would get on the gas kater thereby losing acceleration time. my other in car teacher was skeptical but he said to show him both the traditional and the cooper s line, which i did. he watched my speeds at different points to compare the two lines. he said that i was coming out the same or better on the cooper s line as the traditional high horsepower line.

so i talked with the cooper s teacher again. he said that he takes that line in the low power and light weight cars because it allows them to keep speed longer and lose less speed. the heavier and more powerful cars would probably lose out on that line.

the other thing about that line was that, had passing been allowed, i could have passed far superior cars. then they would have taken me when the chicane gave way to the nascar track, but that;s beside the point.

another time, a different teacher had me stay high in the nascar bowl rather than go down in the more traditional line. he watched the speedometer at different points and said that by staying high, my low power car was able to keep more speed and come out faster than it would going low like the high power cars.

there is no universally perfect line, except straight, but straight is no fun.
personally, i would have to drive the course in a similar car before i started pointing out line issues.

^^^^ Thank you, at least someone on this forum has their mind opened. I hate it when people are closed minded and think they are better than everyone else because they have experience. Even though experience is the mother of good track driving, its also good too keep your mind opened too rookies and different driving lines. Im not even going to start with about how JGTC drivers race because that lines is VERY VERY different from what you and me are used. Its all about very late braking, passing the braking and turning point, but when you do turn in you hit that apex and track out like a bat out of hell.

I really cant say whos right or wrong, but i need more practice, considering that was the first time i was ever on a track with my car, i did pretty decently.

Jsosa... are you referring to the Mini BBK from JBT Motorsports? I was looking into that as well. I just can't justify the retail price of $1200 for a couple of rotors and calipers. No matter how nice they are. At least not for a daily driver.

^^ all of the brake kits that i have seen have been pretty expensive too. i have been satisfied with the brakes so far, so i feel like more than $500 invested in the brakes is a waste for me. i want to get slotted rotors, nice pads, and steel braided lines, but i need to research brakes more.

RTon.. those are exactly the brakes ive been talking about. $1200, for a set of brakes is an incredibly expensive price to pay, but they must work really well.

I have everything i can possibly do the my OEM brakes and i have absolutely no complaint about them, but i wish they had more bite. If you stomp on the brake you will reduce your speed in a very significant way, but i still feel like their lacking in the initial bite.

Im willing to spend the $1200 on brakes as long as i so much, touch the brake pedal those rear wheels want to lift off the ground from all the front braking pressure. I want my scion to flip over itself when i get on the brakes. I love the positive brake feel and for me its one of the most important parts on the car. If i ever do get a round to purchasing them, i will be posting it up on scionlife. Hopefully by march they will be in.

http://www.minibbk.com/images/main.jpg

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ggggggggggggggggooooooooooooooooooodddddddddddddddddddddd :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: they are beautiful :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Just to know, does anyone have ever seen the project mu mini bbk???

this is an example from the ones greddy make
http://www.greddy.com/img/PHP/products/jpg/1057.jpg

And yes, i konw this is a post of handling, not about brakes, just wanted to post the pictures.

So back to handling.

jsosa, definitely interested in how those brakes work out.

http://www.jbtmotorsports.com/products.htm
looks like they will fit in 15" which is what i prefer. too bad they don't show more info.

where have you seen them for sale?

on a side note to performance, i am working on a megasquirt for management. any of you have any experience with the xa/xb/echo/vitz/yaris sensors? i am at a point in construction in which i need to start making some decisions about trying to use stock sesnors or adding/replacing.
sometimes, i wonder if it is worth the $2k+ for a TEC3

*watching this thread*

I know nothing about computer sensors, but im definitely looking for engine management when i go turbo. I need a good solid stand alone that i can use on my car.

As for the brakes, i didnt know more than one company makes them, or is that greddy repainting the caliper with their name??

If anyone else knows information about these brakes please let us know.

Wilwood also makes a set for the Xa and Xb

http://www.wilwood.com/Centers/Information/applicationguide_frnt/scion/xb0405.asp

Wilwood also makes a set

http://www.wilwood.com/Centers/Information/applicationguide_frnt/scion/xb0405.asp

wilwood also rapes people for fun.

to runthe wilwoods, would i have to upgrade my wheels first. i mean can they fit with the stock 15 inch steelies? because im never buying rims, lol

hahaha survival of fittest with BBK

to runthe wilwoods, would i have to upgrade my wheels first. i mean can they fit with the stock 15 inch steelies? because im never buying rims, lol I believe the wilwood kit requires 16's or 17's.

dernit, that sux, lol

wilwood also rapes people for fun.

Well, it's still better than raping people for money. :silly:

^^^^ :rofl: :rofl:

Im torn in between continuing my turbo setup or buying those beautiful mini-BBK kit from JBT.

The JBT brakes are $1100.00, but they MUST be worth every dime.

What do you guys think brakes or turbo?? Remember i race and id rather go slow and stop fast, then go fast and then not be able to stop.

sounds like you wanna get your brakes done first, i'd say go for the brakes first

anybody else has a comment?

thats a pretty penny for brakes... hey dude im all for getting what makes u like your car that much more! i say do it if u got the funding!

i have been thinkig about the brakes more. after i started thinking about stopping from 100MPH, the brakes started sounding like a good idea. i sent jbt an email about the performance specifications of these brakes, including how they would compare to just getting performance pads and rotors, which is far cheaper.
i also want to know whether they come with brake lines or if i should grab some nice ones right now.

i asked about a group buy. if they are interested, i will post back and start a new thread.

to change the handling topic, what about braces?
i will probably be getting this:
http://www.speednstylez.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_52&products_id=98

proctor about that rear strut bar. I wouldn't purchase it because its pick-up points are on the top of the shock piston. A good strut bar attaches to the chassis not your shock pistons.

jsosa, that always bugged me too, but it is the only type that i have ever seen on our cars.
i have looked under the plastic, but there are no good mounting points. there is something above the damper mounts that looked good at first, but it is thin and only attached by those stamp welds (not sure what they are called but i have seen them before on computer cases).

anything else would require drilling or welding so maybe it is best left skipped.

thanks for the feedback

http://www.minibbk.com/images/main.jpg

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy ggggggggggggggggooooooooooooooooooodddddddddddddddddddddd :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: they are beautiful :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Just to know, does anyone have ever seen the project mu mini bbk???

this is an example from the ones greddy make
http://www.greddy.com/img/PHP/products/jpg/1057.jpg


:eyes: ooohhh I want one... hehehe too bad if its cost close to the endless kit I'd rather have the endless kit...

Yes I've seen Project Mu/ Endless Mini BBK they fit 15" wheels... Perfect for someone like me who needs 15" wheels...

:eyes: Perfect for someone like me who needs 15" wheels...

tell me about it. i don't know how people can drive around with such thin tires. i considered 16", but there is no way that that would be a good idea with ksport coilovers on the roads around here. bad enough on 15".

i'm in nh and i've seen people run crazy size tire setups like 40, 35 series and to me those are are pretty crazy. i'm gonna run a 205/50/16 this summer once i see the snow and salt gone.

yes for someone like me who tracks their car and runs 205/50-15 , we need it to fit in that size wheel

yes for someone like me who tracks their car and runs 205/50-15 , we need it to fit in that size wheel

what kind of tires do you use?
i use falken azenis 615. i bought them for autocross and summer street, then found myself at a track using them too. i don't have room for slicks unless i decide to not bother with summer tires again after wearing these out. but the azenis tires worked pretty well for me. they are not so great in the rain and an instructor said that they do not have enough sound feedback.

yes for someone like me who tracks their car and runs 205/50-15 , we need it to fit in that size wheel

what kind of tires do you use?
i use falken azenis 615. i bought them for autocross and summer street, then found myself at a track using them too. i don't have room for slicks unless i decide to not bother with summer tires again after wearing these out. but the azenis tires worked pretty well for me. they are not so great in the rain and an instructor said that they do not have enough sound feedback.


I cant seem to rip my self away from my Toyo RA1's... LOL, I bought a set, used them for 7 track weekends( 14 trackday if you really counted them), and because of the car being really lighten they didnt really show any wear till the 6th weekend... I sold my Panasport wheels sooo I gave them to my room mate and they are still in use... Ever since I gave my room mate the Toyo RA1's he swears by them and his used a bunch of street tires and slicks... Toyo RA1's( BEST BANG 4 YOUR BUCK... hands down) .... If you buy them full threaded and shaved just a little bit... You wont go anywhere else ....

I use Toyo RA-1 and as well swear by them. For only $120.00 each they are great value and stick like glue. I run with 205/50-15 on the track. Ive had them for about 4 track days and only now can i start to see real tread wear. For next time im going to switch the rear to the front to kill those and next time around im probably going to sell the 15" and run with 16" because im going turbo.

I use Toyo RA-1 and as well swear by them. For only $120.00 each they are great value and stick like glue. I run with 205/50-15 on the track. Ive had them for about 4 track days and only now can i start to see real tread wear. For next time im going to switch the rear to the front to kill those and next time around im probably going to sell the 15" and run with 16" because im going turbo.

what tire pressure you running ??? Dude, trust me they dont start sticking until all the tread wears out and they turn into full slicks...

My brother is the one that has all the numbers written down for my track days and what pressure we run according to the air and track temp. If im not mistaken we run 35psi in front and 30 in the rear. When they warm up they reach 40psi in front and 34-35 in the rear. Alot of people say thats too much pressure, but anything less or anything more makes them greasy and kind of scary to drive. When i first arrive at the track and the tires are cold and tire temps are low, my car is very loose, especially in the rear and sometimes even scary. After the 5th or 6th lap they start to warm up and get VERY nice and sticky. I guess it depends on many factors, like air temp, track temp, barometric pressure, sea-level, etc... Where i race it barely ever rains so barometric pressure is always low and we race at sea-level because across from the straight you can see the ocean. Track temps and air temps are taken everyday and jotted down in the drivers log. With me inside my car weighs 2,382 lbs. Without rear seats, trunk, floor mats, spare tire, subwoofer, trunk lid, practically everything from the front seats back gets removed. It really helps to shave off that weight because power to weight ratio is exponentially increased, but when im done with this car and make it a track only (trailer queen), then the power to weight ratio will be really nice. Im going to try and get the car to 2000lbs. flat.

jsosa, are you planning on engine management when you go turbo?

i know i run different tires, but i will put in my tire info too. the azenis generally feel pretty good. i always run higher in the front at the track.
i had been maxing them out near the 50 psi limit (like 48-49) for autocrossing until my first track day when i noticed that these things get really hot on a big track for twenty minutes. i think that i dropped them down to 43-45 at the track. hot, they go up to 50 from there. for autocrossing, i was running 45 after that.

i generally leave the rear alone for street and track. somewhere from 32 (street) to 36 (track).

the azenis seem to start to get a little slippery after extended hard driving. both of my spin outs last year were after about fifteen minutes.

i have figured out the pressures that worked for me by trial and error. i marked my tires with crayon and watched them after every track session and autocross lap. i adjusted until the wear points were dead on the wear markers on the tires.

the azenis have been good to me, but i am considering something else when these wear out.

Here is part of the response about the JBT brakes:
Factory brake systems were designed for average daily street driving and work well for single stops. A big brake kit will not only provide better feel at the pedal, it will also have increased heat capacity and resist fading and caliper distortion. Upgrading pads and rotors will improve the braking characteristics but with the addition of calipers it will definitely increase the dyanmics in the pedal as well as the performance under extreme braking conditions.

RavSpec is the only dealer that I know of so far who has these. I asked Frank for more dealers.
Maybe we could get a group buy on them?
google check out gets a $50 discount on RavSpec's site, which is better than nothing.

BTW, these brakes do come with steel braided brake lines.

Are there any other kits for 15" wheels?

proctorsilex: I do plan on running engine management after the turbo is installed. I plan on boosting at 6psi, with a stock ECU. Than i plan on going full stand-alone, or using the i-manage ECU to directly control my fuel pump and not have to worry about CEL lights. From what i hear the i-manage works but without having to tap into the factory ECU, so its an additional computer not a piggy-back. I would rather run full stand-alone, but im not sure which ECU to use. I have a friend of mine that has a turbo celica and hes running the Apex FC+commander and hes had NO problems with it so far. I just dont know if there is an application for this car.

1) Haltech
2) Apex FC + commander
3) Electromotive

Those are the only one ive been able to come up with. I know there are alot more out there, but not sure if any of them fit for my application. If anybody knows something i dont, please let me know.

proctorsilex: I do plan on running engine management after the turbo is installed. I plan on boosting at 6psi, with a stock ECU. Than i plan on going full stand-alone, or using the i-manage ECU to directly control my fuel pump and not have to worry about CEL lights. From what i hear the i-manage works but without having to tap into the factory ECU, so its an additional computer not a piggy-back. I would rather run full stand-alone, but im not sure which ECU to use. I have a friend of mine that has a turbo celica and hes running the Apex FC+commander and hes had NO problems with it so far. I just dont know if there is an application for this car.

1) Haltech
2) Apex FC + commander
3) Electromotive

Those are the only one ive been able to come up with. I know there are alot more out there, but not sure if any of them fit for my application. If anybody knows something i dont, please let me know.

there is a power fc for the echo but its from a Japanese tuner, the company is called Crazy Vitz, what they did was make a pig tail harness to fit the power fc into the echo harness

This is awesome!

Here is Project Mu's site, but I do not see brakes for us:
http://www.project-mu.co.jp/e/e-index.html

Frank Lee of JBT said that a group buy is possible. Anyone here interested?
I will ask about the minimum number of people.

He also said that the JBT kit comes with front brake lines only. He recommended getting rear lines too so that the pedal does not feel mushy.

Engine Management

All of the complete systems that I have seen do not mention VVT-i, despite their mentioning of VTEC support (which is supposedly somewhat inferior). VVT-i does not seem like it is too hard to control, so I do not know why they do not mention it. Regardless, I do not think that I will be dropping $2k for a computer for this car.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html
The MegaSquirt is an inexpensive system, but you have to figure out the sensors yourself, which is where I am stuck. I have it 1/3 built, but I stopped when it came to the tach signal circuit. I do not know how to figure out our CPS sensor type. I will probably build both circuits then do some trial and error. The other problem is the intake sensor. MS comes with a MAP, but we have a MAF. MS can do MAF, but it is kinda new. The EGO sensors are not essential, so they will come last. The problem with EGO is that the better type of sensor needs calibration. I do not know which type that we have stock, but they can be replaced.

If you are interested in MS, I would be more than happy to collaborate.

^^^ Im interested in virtually any type of fuel management system, but if i have to go through too much work, id rather spend the 1k for a already made ECU. I hate having to go through trial and error, especially with something i know nothing about. I would have to get someone to do the wiring for me (more money) because i know NOTHING about hooking up a car ECU. Im going to put in my friend celica OEM ECU and see what happens, if it works and doesnt F-UP my car, then ill just buy the same he used on his celica.

As for the VVT-i just get a camcon, which im going to purchase eventually to have control of the exhaust cam to see if opening it earlier can give me a quicker spool. Here a list of all the computer things i have to buy:

1.) Stand-alone ECU
2.) Turbo Timer
3.) Boost Controller
4.) Camcon

I have no idea where im going to fit all those computer but i iwll have to figure it out, little by little it should all go in without a problem.

i was planning on putting it under the passenger's seat.

the MS can control some aspect of superchargers too. i don't much about suprercharging though.
if you don't know about the wiring then the MS does not do you much good.

i know a good bit about electronics, but i don't have the time to figure out all of thise stuff. now, if somebody paid me too...

tanabe front under brace came today. i also have shifter bushings and mounts waiting to be installed.
i wish that it were warmer out :(

JBT big brake group buy thread:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2296264#2296264

^^^ that link for the group buy doesn't work. I click on it and says that the topic doesnt exist.

yeah, some mod hid it thinking that it is a sale. hopefully, it will be unlocked soon.

JBT wil be getting a dealer to do the sale. he also said something about upgrading the pads.

will it require special offset wheels to fit the brake calipers ??? Like do we have to specially work about caliper clearance ??? or is it close to stock size but longer ???

from what Frank Lee told me, we have to use spacers to clear the caliper. He sent me some pictures on how to measure if there is enough wheels clearance or not. It wasn't to clear to me, lets see if you understand better than i do:

Jorge,

You can also check it yourself, you'll need 2 rulers to measure with. First ruler lay flat on hub, backside of the wheel. Make sure first ruler is centered with bore of wheel and measure out 5.5" out towards the outside of the wheel. Take 2nd ruler and meassure down towards the spoke and tell me how much spacing you have. Let me know if you have any problems, or if you need help. Please be precise and accurate with measurements.

regards

The pictures are small, but thats what was sent to me

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/wheel2.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/wheel1.jpg

wraith, i don't think that they require anything special. try emailing JBT about it.

i can't do anything more about the group buy. i will tell you if a dealer takes it over.

jsosa, it seems to make sense. i can't think of a better way to explain it right now.

on a side note, the ksport coilovers seem like they would be awesome for autocross. great for tracks too as long as there are no nasty bumps in any high speed turns (pocono raceway has a patch in a big sweeping turn).

on the street, they are fine when the road is fine, but as soon as the road turns to ____ so does the ride.
if ksport usa can't get me some street worthy springs, i will be selling these.
what a frustration X{

from what Frank Lee told me, we have to use spacers to clear the caliper. He sent me some pictures on how to measure if there is enough wheels clearance or not. It wasn't to clear to me, lets see if you understand better than i do:

Jorge,

You can also check it yourself, you'll need 2 rulers to measure with. First ruler lay flat on hub, backside of the wheel. Make sure first ruler is centered with bore of wheel and measure out 5.5" out towards the outside of the wheel. Take 2nd ruler and meassure down towards the spoke and tell me how much spacing you have. Let me know if you have any problems, or if you need help. Please be precise and accurate with measurements.

regards



The pictures are small, but thats what was sent to me

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/wheel2.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e167/Jagui/wheel1.jpg


see thats my problem I have a set of RS Watanabe 8 Spoke type R's and I havent mounted them on the car but they fit just like the sportmax 002's w/ 0 offset... I need them to fit those, if soo I'll be the first one to buy a set...

OK I found it !!!
http://www.brashboy.net/english/toyota/index_toyota.html

Brash Boy also has the Apexi Power FC ... can you say plug and play ???
http://www.brashboy.net/english/power_fc/image/power_fc_s.jpg

^^^^ Thats AWESOME!!! I didnt think anyboyd would see it, Theres just a slight problem... The price, $1600.00, dont you think thats a little too much to power for a Apexi Pwer FC. But what i did notice is that its the same computer for the 1NZ-FE, so im just going to find it from an american site (hopefully) that will sell me the Power FC for the Celica and tune it for my car. It just might work.

^^^^ Thats AWESOME!!! I didnt think anyboyd would see it, Theres just a slight problem... The price, $1600.00, dont you think thats a little too much to power for a Apexi Pwer FC. But what i did notice is that its the same computer for the 1NZ-FE, so im just going to find it from an american site (hopefully) that will sell me the Power FC for the Celica and tune it for my car. It just might work.

sorry bro what the picture doesnt show you is ... Its a Power FC for something else, it comes with a pig tail wiring harness to plug into yours and has Brash boys 1nz-fe maps ... You wont find it here state side, you can only get it from either Brash Boy, Crazy Vitz, Phoenix Power, and maybe Top Secret has their own version

^^^^ Thats AWESOME!!! I didnt think anyboyd would see it, Theres just a slight problem... The price, $1600.00, dont you think thats a little too much to power for a Apexi Pwer FC. But what i did notice is that its the same computer for the 1NZ-FE, so im just going to find it from an american site (hopefully) that will sell me the Power FC for the Celica and tune it for my car. It just might work.

sorry bro what the picture doesnt show you is ... Its a Power FC for something else, it comes with a pig tail wiring harness to plug into yours and has Brash boys 1nz-fe maps ... You wont find it here state side, you can only get it from either Brash Boy, Crazy Vitz, Phoenix Power, and maybe Top Secret has their own version

Do you think its worth the $1600.00 to pay for a stand alone?? Its incredibly steep price, but if i dont have to deal with wiring harnesses or having to tune it for my car, then it just might work. So in other words, if i buy this unit its plug and play. It should work just like that... Then when i install the turbo i can go to the dyno and perform final tuning, correct?

By the way, i have a friend with a scion xa that has recently installed a 2ZZ-FE (Matrix XRS ECU) into his car and it works fine. I was thinking that if the ECU plugs and plays without a problem then the Apex Power FC should do the same, correct?

^^^^ Thats AWESOME!!! I didnt think anyboyd would see it, Theres just a slight problem... The price, $1600.00, dont you think thats a little too much to power for a Apexi Pwer FC. But what i did notice is that its the same computer for the 1NZ-FE, so im just going to find it from an american site (hopefully) that will sell me the Power FC for the Celica and tune it for my car. It just might work.

sorry bro what the picture doesnt show you is ... Its a Power FC for something else, it comes with a pig tail wiring harness to plug into yours and has Brash boys 1nz-fe maps ... You wont find it here state side, you can only get it from either Brash Boy, Crazy Vitz, Phoenix Power, and maybe Top Secret has their own version

Do you think its worth the $1600.00 to pay for a stand alone?? Its incredibly steep price, but if i dont have to deal with wiring harnesses or having to tune it for my car, then it just might work. So in other words, if i buy this unit its plug and play. It should work just like that... Then when i install the turbo i can go to the dyno and perform final tuning, correct?

By the way, i have a friend with a scion xa that has recently installed a 2ZZ-FE (Matrix XRS ECU) into his car and it works fine. I was thinking that if the ECU plugs and plays without a problem then the Apex Power FC should do the same, correct?

here the thing the 2zz-ge ecu works great on forced induction applications... Paulie the one w/ the EL Prototypes turbo xa before the swap used the 2zz-ge ecu and made 215whp on 12psi... But thats not reliable because the ignition maps arent up to par with the stroke of 1nz-fe ... And it might be alot more agressive. And is partly why he blew up his 1nz-fe turbo...

$1600 + tuning is well worth it when its reliable and you can actually enjoy the car vs having it sit for months on end with tuning issues and a blown motor... The maps that all the above companies offer are just base maps... I strongly suggest taking it to a conpetant tuner of Apexi Power FC and having it tuned for power and drivability...

Now I wouldnt go looking at Power Execl shops because the only reason they are power excel shops because they sell alot of Apexi products not because they can tune it properly ... I myself is staying away from XS Engineering just for the simple fact is I know their work ... If it isnt a freaking RB motor they dont know their ___ from their mouth...

Look around and do reasearch you might find a good MR2 Spyder guy or a Celica 2zz-ge guy who can tune the POwer Fc agressively in your area... I'm hiring Mr. Garrett @ WolfKatz to do my tuning because he tunes Power FC's on MR2 turbo's and his personnally tunes the K&N Turbo Mr2 time attack car... Plus the owner ( good friend of mine) of that car highly recommends him... So with all the built parts I have for the 2zz coming in ... We plan on shooting for 210 to 250whp on a 2zz-ge in N/A form...

So watch out for the roach in Novembers NASA/Super Street's Time attack but my fat ___ wont be driving, LOL... I hired a retired SPOON race car driver from the Macau Grand Prix ... But you'll see me behind the wheel on other track days ...

p.s. You interested in custom set of TEIN Super street coilovers ??? Its a SuperStreets that has been de-stroked and valved for 7kg and 8kg w/ Swift Springs...


I need to sell them sometime in MArch or April ... I need to get my new sets of TEIN Mono Flex w/ Swift springs ...

I think your right. I might just go with the Power FC from the website you told me and have a friend of mine down here tune it. Hes more into EVO's, but he tuned my friends turbo celica and he has about 300whp at 12psi, with the Power FC. I still cant believe the $1600.00 price tag, but thats the price you have to pay for reliability, BIG issue for me. I hate having an unreliable car.

Ive also heard that the 2zz-ge is a bit too aggressive for our cars, so thats why im planning on using the 1zz-fe. The timing isnt as aggressive and just might work, but you just never know when your doing guess work. Im going to install the 1zz-fe ECU, now with my N/A setup, and lets see what happens and how the car reacts, after that then i might get the Power FC for the 1zz-fe which is different from the 22-ge...

*watching this thread*+1

Good Job JSosa! Love that first post!

^^^ thanks man, its times like those that make it all worth while.

i have Q about road racing
is it better to have a wider tire or a skinny tire?
i would think a wider tire (not strecthed) would give more of a contact patch and help with cornering

i have Q about road racing
is it better to have a wider tire or a skinny tire?
i would think a wider tire (not strecthed) would give more of a contact patch and help with cornering

wider is all ways better but if you go rallying (off road) ... then skinny

wider is better, but dont go to wide then the tire wont fit in the wheel well. I run with 15x7" and 16x7", i wouldn't recommend going any more than 8" wide for a wheel with an offset of more than +20. If you want to go wider than you must use a low offset. I know a few people here on scionlife that use low offset for everyday driving and for racing. Low offset wheels are also hard to find, but any other questions just let us know.

I want to get the sportmax 501's 15x8 using a 195/60/R15 tire, maybe evn a 205/60/R15, I dont want the stretched look, but i want a wide contact patch, I mountain race and am going to start auto-x this season, so I was just wondering if it was a good setup

with a 15x8 you can use a 225 with a lot profile like 40 or 45 maybe even 50 if the diameter doesn't change too much. Im running with 15x7 Konigs and i use 205/50/15, which is a great size for that rim, but if i had an 8" rim id definately run with a 225/45 or a 225/50, just check the diameters. Get on google and look for a tire diameter calculator and check. If the tire size in any more than 3% or your original diameter than you will rub, if not your good to go.

will a 225/45 or a 225/50 throw off my speedo?

Here you go, this should answer all your questions:

http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp

Just put in Scion 05 xa or xb, depending on what you have and then put in the new wheel sizes. It will let you know everything from diameter percentage change, to the difference in speedo readings. Very useful tool when changing tires. I would have never been able to choose m tires if it wasn't for this guide.

thnx man,
thye dont have an xB, lol

Sidewall Height: 4.37 in 110.99 mm 185/60

Sidewall Height: 4.42 in 112.26 mm 225/50

they said 225/50 would be crazy dangerous, almost 10mm dif

will only change speedo from 60mph to 59.7 mph, so te 225/50's are a good choice?

I really doubt your gonna get any closer than that. I would say thats the PERFECT tire size for your rim if you want to go with a 15" rim. Im going to be up a size as soon as i finish the turbo kit, so im going to have to sell my old 15" rims and buy new 17" and use my 16" wedsports ( :tap: ) for racing and ride with 17" everyday. If i was going to stick with 15" i would definitely go with the 225/50/15.

hey guys depends on the prics of the JBT i might be interested if they would fit well with the RS 1.0 rims or the EP-10s

lets see if we can get more people, but if it doesnt happen soon, im going to purchase my turbo manifold and intercooler with piping.... Another thing that has got me very anxious...

JBT big brake group buy:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2358132